Sasuke Missing Nin Plothole/Tsunade is a failure of a Hokage

[mrsticky005]

In Volume 21, Sasuke leaves the village on his quest for revenge.
However with the information we now know about Konoha this
shouldn't have had happened. Not as easily as it did at least.

Here's what I mean...

In Volume 20 we see Sasuke sitting in a tree and the Sound Four watching
him from a distance. The Sound Four wait to attack when they see Kakashi
go and lecture Sasuke.This takes place in Konoha as later Genma says
to the Sound Four that they were on their way back from Konoha. After the Kakashi lecture the Sound Four go to Sasuke and beat him up and then later in Volume 21 Sasuke leaves the village but not before encountering Sakura who he knocks out cold to keep her from reporting his absence too soon.


Here's the problem with all that.

In Volume 45 we learn that Konoha has a spherical barrier that can
detect anyone entering the village. Ok, so sure it may operate only
one way rather than detecting both those who come and go but
that still doesn't explain how the Sound Four were able to get in
without being detected. Though perhaps like Itachi, Orochimaru
knew the jutsu code to get in the village. Yet still, there was
more than plenty of forewarning that Orochimaru and the
Sound Four would come for Sasuke. Given that the Sound
Four were seen in Konoha before there should have been
increased security to keep an watch for them. That doesn't
necessarily mean someone to fight them but rather to inform
others that the Sound Four is nearby...and this should be done
way before they get to Konoha. Volume 45 showed that Pain
was quite on the outskirts of Konoha and had to eliminate the
Border Patrol before making his way into the village though
because he did not know the jutsu code he was somewhat detected.
Anywho, there was plenty of warning that Orochimaru would come
for Sasuke. Not only is the attacker known but so is the "victim".
Sasuke just waltzed out of the village and only Sakura tried to stop
him...ON THE ONLY ROAD OUT OF KONOHA. That's right. There's
only lousy road that needed to be kept watch on and Sasuke
was able to mosey down it on the path to being a missing-nin.
Tsunade was Hokage (and sadly still is) when all this happened.
As Hokage and someone not living under a rock she should know
that Konoha was invaded by her former team mate Orochimaru who
wanted Sasuke and yet she took absolutely zero precautions to
prevent such a disaster and yes it is a disaster when your village's
only Sharingan user is in enemy hands. The Zabuza Arc and
the Kidnap Hinata flashback showed us enough that ninjas
themselves hold too many secrets to be allowed to roam free.
Then to make matters worse, Tsunade sends a team comprimsed
of one Chuunin and four Genin to retrieve Sasuke and if necessary
fight the Sound Four. Even if Tsunade was unable to know the
Sound Four took down Jonin (which was some really lame writing.)
She should know well enough how strong Orochimaru is and know
that one Chuunin and four Genin are not going to be able to take
him down. Did Tsunade just assume that Orochimaru was going
to just sit and wait for Sasuke? What if he got impatient and
decided to go get Sasuke himself? Or even if Kabuto went instead?
Instead of sending more qualified applicants she sends Shikamaru
(Chuunin) Naruto, Neji, and Choji on what amounts to a suicide
mission. They would have been killed was it not for the reinforcements
from the Sand Village and from a wounded Rock Lee who was able
to sneak out of the hospital where Tsunade is watching over him
and let me repeat something...HE WAS WOUNDED for crying out loud.
As awesome as Rock Lee is it just shows how incompetent Tsunade is.
Then after Shikamaru returns with his injured comrades, Tsunade has
the nerve to call him a failure. Yes, Shikamaru DID fail but what the
heck was she expecting? Sasuke Retrieval was at least a B Rank
Mission but she treated it like a D or a C rank at best. Pathetic.
For three years, Tsunade does NOTHING to retrieve Sasuke.
The only one who does a darn thing about it is Naruto and Team 7.
Without Naruto, Tsunade would probably just give up and let Sasuke
roam around free. And yet again she sends only Naruto, Sakura,
and Yamato to go retrieve Sasuke who is with Orochimaru and Kabuto.
Not that they are a bad team but she should have sent back up.
Danzo sent Sai Shaft (on a secret mission to kill Sasuke) to go
along with Naruto, Yamato, and Sakura. Sai Shaft technically
fails his mission but it's more due to his being talked no jutsu-ed
from Naruto and learning about "Bonds". At least, Danzo has
the excuse of having limited resources (as well trying to
not make too much noise within Konoha) whereas Tsunade has much greater resources and can make more noise (within Konoha)
as she is Hokage. People hate on Naruto too much for always
trying to retrieve Sasuke...but at least he's trying to do something
about it unlike Tsunade and as I said before it's a big deal when
your village's ONLY sharingan is now in enemy hands. A REALLY big deal.

Can't wait until Naruto becomes Hokage. Or anyone with competence.

Why did you have to wake up from that coma Tsunade?

[naruto_jock]

The sound four were barrier specialists....maybe that's how they were able to get through the barrier or because Orochimaru knew the codes like how Itachi did when he came after the Third's death. This is a good argument and I'm only trying to think about it. XD

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

The sound four were barrier specialists....maybe that's how they were able to get through the barrier or because Orochimaru knew the codes like how Itachi did when he came after the Third's death. This is a good argument and I'm only trying to think about it. XD

I see.


Still they were seen in Konoha before.
So it's not like there was plenty
of forewarning to watch out for them.

Any way you slice it Tsunade did not take enough
measures to prevent Sasuke from being a missing-nin.

At least in Itachi's case he was Anbu who has the MS.

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I see.


Still they were seen in Konoha before.
So it's not like there was plenty
of forewarning to watch out for them.

Any way you slice it Tsunade did not take enough
measures to prevent Sasuke from being a missing-nin.

At least in Itachi's case he was Anbu who has the MS.

That's true and Tsunade really didn't set up any precautions with Sasuke either. I also find it interesting how she thinks "I knew something like this might happen".....If she was thinking about, why didn't she do anything?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by mrsecret

Your writinf is too long. The sound Four got in because Orochimaru gave them the codes and they were good with barrier Jutsu.

They took Sasuke out because the Barrier only detects incoming people

Does it ever say that Orochimaru knew the code? I'm only guessing he did.

Anywho even if all that is true it still doesn't excuse the fact that there
was plenty of warning before this whole fiasco went down and yet
nothing was done about it to prevent such a disaster.

It's like if Osama Bin Laden announced
he was going to kidnap the First Lady months in advance...

and the U.S Government did nothing to prevent such a disaster.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

That's true and Tsunade really didn't set up any precautions with Sasuke either. I also find it interesting how she thinks "I knew something like this might happen".....If she was thinking about, why didn't she do anything?

Because she is a failure of a Hokage. She sleeps on the job.
Sure it's done for a comedic effect but really it's insulting
to the Hokage title. The 3rd may have had his "fun time"
but at least he was keen on what was going on in the village.
The 3rd Hokage took notice of Kabuto and knew something
was up and had extra security at the Chuunin Exams.

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Does it ever say that Orochimaru knew the code? I'm only guessing he did.

Anywho even if all that is true it still doesn't excuse the fact that there
was plenty of warning before this whole fiasco went down and yet
nothing was done about it to prevent such a disaster.

It's like if Osama Bin Laden announced
he was going to kidnap the First Lady months in advance...

and the U.S Government did nothing to prevent such a disaster.

Hmmmm, something tells me this already happened with Osama-the ass wipe-Bin Laden under the Bush administration.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

Hmmmm, something tells me this already happened with Osama-the ass wipe-Bin Laden under the Bush administration.

Uh oh Conspiracy Theory Central!!

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Because she is a failure of a Hokage. She sleeps on the job.
Sure it's done for a comedic effect but really it's insulting
to the Hokage title. The 3rd may have had his "fun time"
but at least he was keen on what was going on in the village.
The 3rd Hokage took notice of Kabuto and knew something
was up and had extra security at the Chuunin Exams.

I think Tsunade was just introduced in the manga as a goal for Naruto to master Rasengan as he and Jiraiya-sama were trying to find a new hokage. She might play a new role soon to maybe explain what happened to the Senju clan, but if that doesn't happen I expect her to either die in the war or to become a secondary character.

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Uh oh Conspiracy Theory Central!!

Please don't get me started. That man alone crippled us into the next century maybe.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

I think Tsunade was just introduced in the manga as a goal for Naruto to master Rasengan as he and Jiraiya-sama were trying to find a new hokage. She might play a new role soon to maybe explain what happened to the Senju clan, but if that doesn't happen I expect her to either die in the war or to become a secondary character.



Please don't get me started. That man alone crippled us into the next century maybe.

Maybe Kishimoto actually IS Sexist and
Tsunade is a warning against female leaders.

*dodges pitchforks from angry feminists*

Let's hope Sasuke or Madara does Konoha a favor by killing Tsunade.

Don't worry I won't. That's debate forum material.

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Maybe Kishimoto actually IS Sexist and
Tsunade is a warning against female leaders.

*dodges pitchforks from angry feminists*

Let's hope Sasuke or Madara does Konoha a favor by killing Tsunade.

Don't worry I won't. That's debate forum material.

Who knows? It wouldn't be the first time.....right? /jk

To be perfectly honest with you, I really want to know why the Senju clan isn't in the Naruto story like the Hyuugas or the Uchihas. And since we know Tsunade is a Senju, I'm expecting her to explain to Naruto what happened since they're both clansmen (or clanspeople).

It really is debate forum material, but this topic is too good though. XD

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

Who knows? It wouldn't be the first time.....right? /jk

To be perfectly honest with you, I really want to know why the Senju clan isn't in the Naruto story like the Hyuugas or the Uchihas. And since we know Tsunade is a Senju, I'm expecting her to explain to Naruto what happened since they're both clansmen (or clanspeople).

It really is debate forum material, but this topic is too good though. XD

I imagine it's something like this...

There aren't many Senjus because they married other clans.
Over the generations there would be less pure Senju because
of this. Naruto is a Senju decedent but he is not a pure Senju.

The Uchiha on the other hand most likely married within the clan
and hence why there were so many Uchiha before they were annihilated.


Someone can explain all the details. Tsunade just needs to die.

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I imagine it's something like this...

There aren't many Senjus because they married other clans.
Over the generations there would be less pure Senju because
of this. Naruto is a Senju decedent but he is not a pure Senju.

The Uchiha on the other hand most likely married within the clan
and hence why there were so many Uchiha before they were annihilated.


Someone can explain all the details. Tsunade just needs to die.

If you're right on the Senjus, then maybe Tsunade tells Naruto about it and as soon as she does it Madara kills her for something the Senju did a long time ago since she is the last "true" Senju left.

[lord of puppets]

you did leave out kiba but not important.maybe she could of done more but the village was at half it's strength level,and they still had shinobi on missions.i guess she could have sent kakashi with them in the begining but how much of a difference would it have made,they still had the battles seperated.but i don't consider her a fail as hokage.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

If you're right on the Senjus, then maybe Tsunade tells Naruto about it and as soon as she does it Madara kills her for something the Senju did a long time ago since she is the last "true" Senju left.

Madara killing Tsunade would be peaches and cream!

Heck anyone killing Tsunade would be peaches and cream.

ZOMBIE JIRAYIA COMES BACK FROM THE DEAD AND WITH A VENGANCE!

How far the Senju have fallen...

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by lord of puppets

you did leave out kiba but not important.maybe she could of done more but the village was at half it's strength level,and they still had shinobi on missions.i guess she could have sent kakashi with them in the begining but how much of a difference would it have made,they still had the battles seperated.but i don't consider her a fail as hokage.

Sir Kiba Duke of Inuzuka would be most disappointed in me, wouldn't he?

It's great how Kishimoto creates these excuses of "other shinobi were
on missions". Missions doing what? If it wasn't Akatsuki based missions
then it wasn't more important than getting Sasuke back...or dead
before Orochimaru got the Sharingan.
Genins should be the ones rebuilding the village

[zerosameri]

I was going to make this thread so long ago but never did.

In a nut shell from then to now it's all PNJ

• It was said that Sasuke was under close watch
• Only ANBU knew the barrier code a long with some Uchiha's
• There's a berrier around Konoha to watch who go in and out
• they shouldn't have got in
• Kakashi hinted that Sasuke may leave the village, and knew that he may leave
• When Sasuke left they gave some time before sending Naruto and his weak gennin team. Wail they could of sent ANBU and brought Sasuke back with no trouble
• There are people guarding Konoha at all time
• The road into Konoha all ways has 2 Jonin on guard every day and night
• They knew that Orochimaru wanted Sasuke
• They knew that Orochimaru all ready started to get Sasuke
• When Shikamaru and them came back she did not send another team or ANBU to help a failur gennin.

did I summarize your long post just about right?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

I was going to make this thread so long ago but never did.

In a nut shell from then to now it's all PNJ

• It was said that Sasuke was under close watch
• Only ANBU knew the barrier code a long with some Uchiha's
• There's a berrier around Konoha to watch who go in and out
• they shouldn't have got in
• Kakashi hinted that Sasuke may leave the village, and knew that he may leave
• When Sasuke left they gave some time before sending Naruto and his weak gennin team. Wail they could of sent ANBU and brought Sasuke back with no trouble
• There are people guarding Konoha at all time
• The road into Konoha all ways has 2 Jonin on guard every day and night
• They knew that Orochimaru wanted Sasuke
• They knew that Orochimaru all ready started to get Sasuke
• When Shikamaru and them came back she did not send another team or ANBU to help a failur gennin.

did I summarize your long post just about right?

Good summary. Rep up to you!

[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Madara killing Tsunade would be peaches and cream!

Heck anyone killing Tsunade would be peaches and cream.

ZOMBIE JIRAYIA COMES BACK FROM THE DEAD AND WITH A VENGANCE!

How far the Senju have fallen...

I think that would be an interesting battle to be honest with you......man who can't be touched againtst the woman with supperior strength. Very interesting. XD

Yeah, then maybe Jiraiya drags her ass back to his grave then. XDDD

It's really sad since we haven't seen them at all really.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by naruto_jock

I think that would be an interesting battle to be honest with you......man who can't be touched againtst the woman with supperior strength. Very interesting. XD

Yeah, then maybe Jiraiya drags her ass back to his grave then. XDDD

It's really sad since we haven't seen them at all really.

Madara would pwn...even without EMS.