My take on the existance of God; God = Universe

[deidara330]

I don't believe in God. Now, let me be clear, when I say "I don't believe in God," what I mean is "I don't believe in the God you're thinking of."

Now, what is God? Many different religions have many different verisons of God, and in some cases there are multiple gods. But what, exactly, is God? If you think something along the lines of "ruler of the universe," then my personal version of what God is isn't that. What I believe God is is the universe itself. Wouldn't that make sense? An omnipotent being is supposedly everywhere at once, knows everything throughout eternity, can take any form it please, etcetera, etcetera, blah blah blah. Would that not describe the universe, making it an omnipotent being?

The universe is everywhere in the universe at once. I mean, it is itself. Similar to how you are in every place that you are at one time. Let me explain it this way: You could say that you exist in your arm, your leg, your foot, and some other places of your body all at once as a single being. Could the same not be said of the universe?

The universe knows everything that ever happened and ever will. The mind of the universe is everywhere at once and therefore knows everything there is to know about the universe. To explain how the mind of the universe is everywhere at once, you could say that the mind and body of the universe are together as one thing. The body of the universe is everywhere in the universe, therefore the mind of the universe is everywhere in the universe, and therefore the universe knows everything about the universe.

The universe itself takes many forms, so to speak. Think of the many different things that you know about. Pencils, televisions, french fries, rocks, flags, and so on. Every person you know has at least a slightly different form. And every concievable form you don't know of could exist in the rest of the universe, either in its past or its future.

So, I believe that God is the universe itself. If you take a miracle, such as someone being cured of cancer, and say that it was the work of God, I would take the same thing and say it was the work of the universe. I believe that God is the universe, and the universe is God.

[Bacon]

This would explain how a concept of god could exist without heaven or hell.

[Err]

You are starting with an assumption and making points to back it up. I understand this is your concept of the universe, but if we cannot find evidence and test it you are making quite a leap of faith.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Err

You are starting with an assumption and making points to back it up. I understand this is your concept of the universe but if we cannot find evidence and test it you are making quite a leap of faith.

What am I assuming?

Tell me how something like this could be proven.

[Bacon]

You are assuming that the Universe is a living being. Not in the traditional sense;no organs and what not.

[The Demon Zabuza]

What is your stand on the parallel universe theory?

Also, this is basically saying that science is right, you're just attributing the laws of the universe to divine creation rather than the big bang.

[Err]

Originally Posted by deidara330

What am I assuming?

Tell me how something like this could be proven.

You are assuming that God is the universe. This is not my concept of the universe to prove so I would have no idea.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by Bacon

You are assuming that the Universe is a living being. Not in the traditional sense;no organs and what not.

Obviously not in the "traditional sense". The concept of God was never a living being in the traditional sense, and I have yet to hear of a version of God that actually had organs.

[Kunoichi]

Originally Posted by Err

You are starting with an assumption and making points to back it up. I understand this is your concept of the universe, but if we cannot find evidence and test it you are making quite a leap of faith.

But isn't that the basis of all religion? Faith?

[Err]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Obviously not in the "traditional sense". The concept of God was never a living being in the traditional sense, and I have yet to hear of a version of God that actually had organs.

You haven't heard the Good News? Jesus loves you.

Originally Posted by Kunoichi

But isn't that the basis of all religion? Faith?

Yes.

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

What is your stand on the parallel universe theory?

Also, this is basically saying that science is right, you're just attributing the laws of the universe to divine creation rather than the big bang.

Now that's an entirely different matter altogether.

I'm saying that the universe itself is God. Science is a better understanding of how the universe, or God, works. But like what people have always thought of God, the universe is too complex to ever fully understand. And from what I know of the big bang theory, it wouldn't explain the laws of the universe, but rather simply explain how the universe was created. Actually, IIRC it doesn't explain the creation of the universe but rather a rapid expansion of it.

Originally Posted by Err

You are assuming that God is the universe. This is not my concept of the universe to prove so I would have no idea.

It's a theory of mine. That I actually just came up with today, to be honest.

If you can't tell me how I could prove it, you can't ask me to prove it. Because you would be asking me to do something that, as far as you know, is impossible.

Originally Posted by Err

You haven't heard the Good News? Jesus loves you.

I'm not too big on Christianity, but isn't Jesus just the human form of God? While, yes, he is a version of God that has organs, he is merely the human form, and whatever you call the other form doesn't require organs to exist.

[Err]

Originally Posted by deidara330

If you can't tell me how I could prove it, you can't ask me to prove it. Because you would be asking me to do something that, as far as you know, is impossible.

I'm not too big on Christianity, but isn't Jesus just the human form of God? While, yes, he is a version of God that has organs, he is merely the human form, and whatever you call the other form doesn't require organs to exist.

The burden of proof is not on me. It's on the person who is making the claim. However, you gave an honest answer. Now we just need to make religious people concede to the same thing.

[deidara330]

At the person who downrepped me and left this comment:

your theory is without sufficient foundation, and also not true....So, FAIL

I ask you, why is my theory without sufficient foundation? How could you know that this is not true?

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by deidara330

At the person who downrepped me and left this comment:

I ask you, why is my theory without sufficient foundation? How could you know that this is not true?

They can't, that person is just close minded. Human reality does not equal true reality.

[Miss Bella Rose]

How childish of someone to down rep because an individual spoke his mind ... freedom of speech folks RESPECT THAT without acting immature.

hmm ... jealousy doesn't fit anyone.

Deidara .. I understand your point and I find it very interesting . I also accept and I respect the fact that you stand by what you say. Not many are capable of doing so.

[ItachiAnbu]

deidara330, your theory makes more sense than half the other banter i've read in religious debates, so you have my respect.

While I may not agree with you completely, your theory is something that I speculated about a number of years ago. Props for the interesting post.

Originally Posted by Miss Bella Rose

How childish of someone to down rep because an individual spoke his mind ... freedom of speech folks RESPECT THAT without acting immature.

While I agree that the person who downrepped him was both immature and illogical, I must comment on your statement aboutn "freedom of speech."

As far as this forum goes, it's more of a "privilege of speech", really.

Just my two cents on that.

[Snowy Owl]

For everyone discounting this idea, it's actually similar to one found in one of the world's major religions: Hinduism. What you've described sounds a great deal like their concept of Brahman, who is the universe and everything in it:
(From Wikipedia)

Several mahā-vākyas, or great sayings, indicate what the principle of Brahman is:

prajnānam brahma- "Brahman is knowledge"
ayam ātmā brahma-"The Self (or the Soul) is Brahman "
aham brahmāsmi-"I am Brahman"
tat tvam asi "Thou art that"
sarvam khalv idam brahma-"All this that we see in the world is Brahman",
sachchidānanda brahma-"Brahman or Brahma is existence, consciousness, and bliss".

That being said, I find the concept fascinating and certainly think it as legitimate a belief as any. ^^

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Obviously not in the "traditional sense". The concept of God was never a living being in the traditional sense, and I have yet to hear of a version of God that actually had organs.

I was just pointing something out,but here's goes nothing.
Not that I believe in Demi gods,but they are half human. So yes, there are some gods who had organs. Don't get me wrong, your concept is interesting,but you still have the same short falls as the Christianity/catcholics etc. Where did existance begin so that the universe could become god?

[Vornmusion]

The creation of existence cannot be answered with the current human limitations of the mind.

[Throw Rasen-Shuriken]

If there is such a thing, as a God, to anyone or anything, it will always by a sub-conscious manner, to anyone, a deep belief in something that seems to lead other beings, down different paths of fate there destiny if you will. I can only say that what if it isn't the Universe that is the God but actually time itself, All things grow over time and end over time, it forms over time, everything to do with creation, there is always the fact of time involved, at some point said.

I guess the best way to describe this is, that what happens if it is actually all to do with time is God. In other words God could be time itself. If that is so then that would explain a lot of different things that seem to happen and is described as miracles, or things that are created may seem like miracles.

Because if you think of all the different aspects such as The Big Bang Theory, what was the one thing that was constant to that as to now, time, time took and developed the Universe, it was over time that lands were created, it was over time that stars were born and died, it was over time that everything around us now has been formed, this is my reasons on God actually being time itself, time is constant in everything up until this day, all creatures of the past devloped within enough time, and died in enough time, so really is it that we are believing in an actual being or just something that is as constant as life, time.

This may all be very theoretical but it will explain a lot, to why, many different things have taken place, through anything, time has and will always be a constant factor to many, so this is why I wonder is it actually a God that we believe as a super powered being or has the answer been before us all and that this God may acually be Time, such as the statement you made, about some one getting miraculously cured by cancer, wasn't time a certain fact to play in that to. With a body being able to adapt to such different environments, but the key is that it is time that it takes to adapt therefore once again time comes forward and plays a major part in such a thing.

None of you may agree, but this is something I find easy to understand, and that is through everything and anything, Time was a major factor through all developments of life and through many forms of death, Time is something that cannot be beat, and one cannot go against it, so doesn't this sound a lot like a God to you I ask, in my belief I really do think that sounds exactly like a God.