Can Yamato really be trusted? Danzo's last laugh.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Whom, whom. Dammit!

Sorry Grammar Gestapo.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

I was re-reading the manga out of boredom when I caught something that I've surely noticed before, but never read much into it.

After the Sand Village rescue, Team Kakashi was short 2 members. Sai took the missing Sasuke's place, at the request of Danzo and the village elders. But they all agreed to let Tsunade pick someone from the Anbu to take Kakashi's place as team leader.

We know that Danzo has deep ties to the Anbu. He is the founder of the foundation, led the faction that opposed the 3rd Hokage, etc. We also know that Yamato was taken directly from his duty as an Anbu to fill the spot.

Correct me if I'm wrong but only a faction of the ANBU (ROOT) was under Danzou's direct control....every other ANBU reports to the Hokage. Sai was the one chosen by Danzou when the two elders let him place whoever he wanted in the new team. Was it ever specified that Yamato was under Danzou's command? from what I know he and Kakashi worked together and Kakashi never "worked" for Danzou....

Tsunade was quite confused about something though, when she chose Yamato. It's like Danzo knew exactly who she wanted to choose, and he was just completely for it. What we didn't know at the time was that Danzo had Shisui's eye, which could be used to manipulate the thoughts and decisions of whomever he chooses.

Maybe my memory is fuzzy because I don't remember her being worried about Yamato...she was worried about Danzou and his intentions. She was also worried about Sai but I don't remember her doubting Yamato...

Could it be possible that Danzo MEANT for Tsunade to pick Yamato? We don't know much about Yamato's history, except for that he was created as a "clone" of the 1st Hokage by Orochimaru, and yet Orochimaru wasn't even aware that he survived. We also know that Danzo and Orochimaru have shared some sort of connection over the years. Both opposed the teachings of Hiruzen, for one.

Oro did leave in a hurry as he himself told Kabuto and since he taught all of the clones died I'm sure he wasn't really considering the possibility of one of them surviving as he was running away from Hiruzen, Tsunade and Jiraya.

But being an Anbu member, Danzo and Yamato will have met before his introduction to the series. It's even possible that Yamato could have been under his employ at some point. Now I'm not rushing to say "Yamato's a spy!" Not at all. But we know of Danzo's power to manipulate, and we also know that he wanted to keep a close eye on the Jinchuuriki.

But then wouldn't that apply to Kakashi as well? Like I said before I'm pretty sure Danzou didn't control all of ANBU. I specifically remember Yamato describing some training methods that ROOT uses but he didn't say it's the same way in the regular ANBU. Kakashi would have mentioned it as well since he's Yamato's senpai.

When Danzou introduced Sai to the team he was more focused on getting rid of Sasuke....

Yamato's been acting strange to me lately. Especially since the passing of Danzo. For one, he let Naruto slip by him with relative ease. I know Naruto's a great ninja, but Yamato is an Elite Jonin with Anbu experience, meaning plenty of tracking. I still find it odd that Naruto got away so easily to rush to where Madara and Sasuke were. I can't find a reason WHY he would want this, though.

I completely agree with you that it shouldn't have been that easy for Naruto to slip out of the hotel with Yamato watching him but I think it was just Kishi creating tension and build up for the inevitable meeting and he didn't really care much for that as long as it worked for the plot.

And the most important reason is, Kishi sent Yamato with Naruto to train with Killer Bee. This is the oddest thing of all. Naruto does not have the Hokage's necklace anymore, so Yamato's more or less powerless to stop him if the Kyuubi were to take over. So then, why the hell is he there?

I find it even odder that Gai was sent with them and so far he hasn't even been shown on the island....Naruto does think he's on a mission and it would maybe make it more suspicious if Tsunade sent him with Gai all of a sudden and didn't even include Kakashi, Sakura, Sai or Yamato! Since they really need Kakashi for the war (and he did kind of used his MS during the fight with Sasuke so he's probably resting) I think Yamato was the right choice to try to keep Naruto in line. Unlike Kakashi Yamato does tell Naruto the truth straight out.

We can safely assume that if Orochimaru was trying to recreate the Jutsu of the first, he would have implanted some way of being able to control his creations. If not, he'd just be creating something that would turn out to be a huge problem.

Maybe he was trying to create a new vessel? that could have been his ultimate goal either that or making sure the experiment works before using it on himself.

We know that everything Kishimoto does seem to have a reason. But is it at all possible that we still have a double agent in Konoha? And what purpose could he have?

I don't rule out the possibility of there being a double agent remaining in Konoha but I just seriously doubt it's Yamato.

[Mr. Dr.]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Yamato being a spy for Danzo would almost be like Iruka being a spy for the Akatsuki.

Iruka: Didn't see that one coming did you!?

But I want Iruka to be a spy so badly.

It would be so dramatic. The ultimate deception.
Ever since he first met Naruto he had been faking weakness and sincerity all to get close to Naruto and become the ace in the hole for the Akatsuki when they need the Kyubi.

[zerosameri]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

I don't rule out the possibility of there being a double agent remaining in Konoha but I just seriously doubt it's Yamato.

But clearly Yamato is really Madara. I mean it all add's up

They have been seen at the same time, Yamato hardly heard of Madara, Yamato clearly has no clue of his ability, captured Madara and let him tell his story to Naruto. I mean it is so clear that Yamato is Madara.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dr.

But I want Iruka to be a spy so badly.

It would be so dramatic. The ultimate deception.
Ever since he first met Naruto he had been faking weakness and sincerity all to get close to Naruto and become the ace in the hole for the Akatsuki when they need the Kyubi.

That would definitely be a massive plot twist. I have a feeling something like that would totally mess up Naruto though, he'd be a wreak.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

That would definitely be a massive plot twist. I have a feeling something like that would totally mess up Naruto though, he'd be a wreak.

It would almost make up for the fact that he always gets on the popularity
polls despite doing pretty much nothing in the entire series. I swear those
polls are rigged somehow.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

It would almost make up for the fact that he always gets on the popularity
polls despite doing pretty much nothing in the entire series. I swear those
polls are rigged somehow.

Wouldn't be surprised.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

Wouldn't be surprised.

I think Iruka rigs them somehow. That crafty badger!

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I think Iruka rigs them somehow. That crafty badger!

I never did like the way he smiled .

[Bohica]

While a very intriguing theory I will file this one with the moon landing being filmed in HollyWood.

Yamato had close ties to both Tsunade and Kakashi, also I know it is popular to believe Tsunade is weak but she is the only surviving Senin (I think I spelled that right) I do not believe Danzo would try to manipulate her.

Finally Yamato is with Naruto to serve as a bodyguard, just like Guy and that other guy. Yamato's wood style and his battle experience are why he is with Naruto it would be cool to see a Yamato vs. Kisame fight (since they both have water affinity) but Yamato also has earth and wood, while Kisame should have his sword back unless it really loves KB.

[mrsticky005]

Yamato can't be working for Danzo.

Here's why.

Danzo had Sai Shaft send a list of Anbu Black Ops under the Hokage's control to
Orochimaru. These Anbu were to be eliminated. Of the Anbu listed Yamato was one.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

And the most important reason is, Kishi sent Yamato with Naruto to train with Killer Bee. This is the oddest thing of all. Naruto does not have the Hokage's necklace anymore, so Yamato's more or less powerless to stop him if the Kyuubi were to take over. So then, why the hell is he there?

....The Wood stlye is effective against Bijuu. Combining the Wood style with the necklace is even more effective.

Yamato still has a purpose.

[Danielle]

Yamato was not created by Orichi, he simply had cells from the first Hokage injected into him. There is never any further discussion on how the process occurred, but he is not a clone.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by zerosameri

But clearly Yamato is really Madara. I mean it all add's up

They have been seen at the same time, Yamato hardly heard of Madara, Yamato clearly has no clue of his ability, captured Madara and let him tell his story to Naruto. I mean it is so clear that Yamato is Madara.

lol that's funny ....it is a joke right?

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Yamato can't be working for Danzo.

Here's why.

Danzo had Sai Shaft send a list of Anbu Black Ops under the Hokage's control to
Orochimaru. These Anbu were to be eliminated. Of the Anbu listed Yamato was one.

This. Sai Shaft would never allow the fuzz to work in the same organization as him.

Nothing more to argue.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

This. Sai Shaft would never allow the fuzz to work in the same organization as him.

Nothing more to argue.

The fuzz?

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

The fuzz?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=the%20fuzz

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=the%20fuzz

I am now informed.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I am now informed.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Nice touch with it being a gif animation.