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Old 06-07-2010, 05:24 AM   #1
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"Save the whales"

You heard this before and you want to help out Free Willy...but how?

By eating them.



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Did you ever realize that there are a LOT of chickens out there and that a LOT of are being grilled, fried, baked, bbq-ed, you name it, into deliciousness? But yet when's the last time you've heard about chickens being endangered? That's right you haven't. And no the Wild Bumbleberry
Chicken of Salzaars does not count as evidence of being endangered as
I just made up that type of chicken. Anywho, chickens are not extinct
despite the fact that we eat a LOT of chicken. How is this possible?
Chickens are bred a lot. (Then later they are breaded. :P) This is done because there is a demand for chicken. People want to eat more chicken
and because they are willing to pay to eat this chicken, more chickens
will be bred and more chickens will be born. We may not know how to
breed whales but if people started paying top dollar for some juicy
McWhale Sandwich you can bet Whaling Companies would get the
best scientists to figure how...and figure out how in a short amount
of time. Research is expensive and people aren't so likely to pay for
research unless they could get something out of it. Having a perpetual
market for whale meat would be worthy of research. Whales would
then be bred and you'd have plenty of whales. Not all would necessarily
be eaten either. Some could stay in the wild as there would be plenty.
It's important to remember though that it's not just eating whales
but PAYING to eat whales that's important. Save a whale? Yes for lunch.
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Old 06-07-2010, 07:04 AM   #2
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Whales on average take many many years before that are able to produce offspring, and when they do it's a few at most. Unlike chickens, there are few whales, mostly because of the above reasons and the result of humans.

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mmmm McWhale sandwhich.......i'm in
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Whales and other creatures of the endangered variety do not produce offspring as much as you may think. Zoos and other wildlife refugees are trying to create more of the creature so in the wild they may thrive.

There is a big flaw in this plan though, yet many have considered it. Yes, you may produce more whales for food, but that does not mean many people will buy it, either for the taste or the animal "cruelty". There are many people out here that will go against this idea and pretty soon whales will be chopped up for no reason, reducing their numbers.

For example, tuna. On certain tuna cans, they say they will use beepers on their nets to keep sharks and dolphins away from being tangled into their nets to catch fish. More people will be willing to buy this brand of tuna because they feel their wildlife will be safer, unlike the brands that use nets and if sea creatures get caught in them, they would think "Oh well". If you are killing whales for food, do you expect people that enjoy the wildlife to buy them? And of course, you cannot explain your whole plan of killing whales on one simple container of whale meat.

This plan has been considered in the world for many animals that are going extinct and has been debated over before. PETA is most likely fighting this plan already.
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Wouldn't work for economic reasons.

Before it is financially viable to breed whales, you need people who develop a taste of the meat. With few whales currently around, people wouldn't be able to develop a taste for them, and thus raise the demand, before they were extinct. This period would also be made longer by ethical treatment, the intelligence/beauty of whales, social convention, ect.

Also, what everyone else said about their birth rates.
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even though i think your idea of saving the wahels is good one, your idea of eating them is not so good becuase whales and chickens are not even anywhere close to being the same .and by that i dont mean chikens are any better or worse then any other living creture on these planet including humans becuase i personaly believe that all life is precious.anyway's as i was saying by useing chickens as an example i know you probably ment most living beings that humans commonly eat, such as (pigs, cows, and soo many others) but what we have to consider is that all living beings have feelings and emotions just as humans do the reson i state these is becuse some pepole realy don't think that animals are capable of thing's like that surprising i know but thay are. now by saying that i think we already have far too many problems with the way that we treat the living beings that we feed on. most places in the wrold that specialize in preparing our food im not only talking about the places where thay are killed like slaughterhouses were thay die in way's that you can't even imagine. i mean even before that places like farms and such other places that look only at these living beings a way of making a profit, but to be fair not all places treat these living, breathing, feeling creatures in such a way but the sad truth is most actually do. i would say about 85% of all places are crule to animals that we use for meat. "you would think since these living creatures are giving thier life's so that we can eat" that thay would want to treat them better, and even if thay say thay do want to and can't becuase of econmic reasons that's no excuse i think thay have hidden behind that excuse for too long now! but it seems im getting a bit of topic the thred is about whale meat, some contrey's have already begun eating whale meat. a good example is one of my favorite contrey's japan, thay are hunting whales useing scientific research as an excuse for thir actions but realy it's for the whale meat. personaly i think japan is above these type of behavor, i personaly dont agree with these "scientific method", and i hope one day thay will relize what thay are doing to the whales. why should other living beings have to die when we have more then enough to last us for generations.
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Nice theory, but Whales are already endangered and only give offspring once every couple years or so. In Japan, they actually already kill whales for "scientific research" and the government allows the meat to be sold to the Japanese public so it is not put to waste. That's the agruement that the Whale Wars crew is trying to prove wrong. Japanese whalers are allowed to kill a certain number of whales and sell the meat, however many speculate that the Japanese whalers are killing more whales than they should in illegal waters. I don't think that the McWhale sandwiches would catch on anyway... I think the meat is very, very fatty. Plus, the price would be fairly expensive since the product must be shipped from other areas. I believe that our soceity would not "catch on" to eating whale meat. It's like eating bugs. People eat bugs all over the world as a protein substitute, but many people still consider to gross-out factor of the entity of being a bug so people won't eat it here in America... Don't get me wrong, I would try it though. Everything is worth trying once.
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i more or less agree with you about some whales being endangered, thire slow rate of reproduction and even that some of the japanese scientfic resarch is legitimate. but what i dont agree with is how many whales the japanese are killing under the pretext that it's all for research and the good of man kind. it makes me think that the only reson thire doing all these is simply for a cheep source of meat becuse when it comes down to it you can get alot more meat from a whale then pig or a cow. i myself am studying to try and become a good scientist but it's stuff like these that makes me want reconsider my career path. i don't think the methods of the sea shepored (ship of the environmental group from whale wars) are correct in thire actions eather.the only way i can see coming to an agreement with japan and any other contrey that hunts whales is through deplomacy.
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no, we must save the eating for overpopulation =P

but really i'd rather have these whales life free die and then have a million (or more) whales be tourtured and killed for food
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That's not going to work. Everyone's already given you valid points, from the low population rate, to the cost of breeding them, to the lengthy process of raising calves, and the fact that most people (atleast in western societies) probably wouldn't eat them anyway. People have this thing against eating animals that can do tricks, like dolphins and whales. Think about it, how many fricken dogs to we have in north america? How many of them are homeless? Why aren't we eating them? Because they know how to sit and shake and we think they're cute.

Even if people wanted to eat more whale meat you have to realize that some species just don't breed well in captivity. Pandas don't, Cheetas don't, Whales don't... Tigers on the other hand do... just putting that one out there.


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That's not going to work. Everyone's already given you valid points, from the low population rate, to the cost of breeding them, to the lengthy process of raising calves, and the fact that most people (atleast in western societies) probably wouldn't eat them anyway. People have this thing against eating animals that can do tricks, like dolphins and whales. Think about it, how many fricken dogs to we have in north america? How many of them are homeless? Why aren't we eating them? Because they know how to sit and shake and we think they're cute.

Even if people wanted to eat more whale meat you have to realize that some species just don't breed well in captivity. Pandas don't, Cheetas don't, Whales don't... Tigers on the other hand do... just putting that one out there.


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realy eat the dogs? i see the point your trying to make, its true that many animals are orverpopulated (including humans) but the solution is not to eat them just becuse of that remember all forms of life are equal in value. in most cases animals are not at fault if pepole that are suppose to be responsible for them would do a better job then it probably would not be an issue. but every one makes mistakes what we need to do is try and correct them not keep making them.i think that the sea shepherd has thire hart in the right place but their mehods are not the best, thay should leave it up to those who can actually make a diffrence.
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realy eat the dogs? i see the point your trying to make, its true that many animals are orverpopulated (including humans) but the solution is not to eat them just becuse of that remember all forms of life are equal in value. in most cases animals are not at fault if pepole that are suppose to be responsible for them would do a better job then it probably would not be an issue. but every one makes mistakes what we need to do is try and correct them not keep making them.i think that the sea shepherd has thire hart in the right place but their mehods are not the best, thay should leave it up to those who can actually make a diffrence.
No no, see you're trying to tell me that your ideals and opinions are right, I do not believe that all life is equal value. I respect your right to feel that way about animals and all life in general but please understand when it comes to eating meat, or putting a value on any living creature my standards a very very different from yours.
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No no, see you're trying to tell me that your ideals and opinions are right, I do not believe that all life is equal value. I respect your right to feel that way about animals and all life in general but please understand when it comes to eating meat, or putting a value on any living creature my standards a very very different from yours.
i guess your right i did not mean to puch my values on anyone,i think i just got realy into it. every one has their own opinions. i can accept that and respect it.
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i guess your right i did not mean to puch my values on anyone,i think i just got realy into it. every one has their own opinions. i can accept that and respect it.
You know, I apologize, what I said came out sounding harsh and arrogant on my part. Your post just sort of struck a certain nerve with me, I've had many people with similar views to yours argue with me on my view point so I immediately took what you said the wrong way even though you didn't mean it offensively. It's just part of the culture I've been raised in that my opinions might conflict with yours, but I didn't need to bite your head off for it, sorry.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:35 PM   #16
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You know, I apologize, what I said came out sounding harsh and arrogant on my part. Your post just sort of struck a certain nerve with me, I've had many people with similar views to yours argue with me on my view point so I immediately took what you said the wrong way even though you didn't mean it offensively. It's just part of the culture I've been raised in that my opinions might conflict with yours, but I didn't need to bite your head off for it, sorry.
no need to apologize. everyone has thire own opption, the best way to make progress is consider everyones views, that way we might be able to change the world for the better.
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no need to apologize. everyone has thire own opption, the best way to make progress is consider everyones views, that way we might be able to change the world for the better.
awww... that's a nice thought... and somehow it reminded me of captain planet.
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Personally, I think this whole "saving the what not" business is trite.
Nature can and will take care of itself. People will say "humans are
just another part of nature" then why don't you believe what you say?
If people are part of nature then people causing other animals to become
extinct is a part of nature. Nature is more likely to destroy us then we
are to destroy nature. Besides man saving nature is a joke. We can't
even save ourselves from mankind. We need to fix that problem first.
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Way to rain on the thread man!

But yeah I agree on the last part, need to mentally evolve ourselves first.
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Way to rain on the thread man!

But yeah I agree on the last part, need to mentally evolve ourselves first.

I get the idea of saving the earth to save man. But some people would
be willing to kill off man in order to save the earth. That makes no sense.
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