Do Humans create babies?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

No it isn't. Creation is to come up with something entirely new. For example creating a new song. Simply playing that song does not mean you created it. You produced it, you did not create it.

Agreed. Saying people CREATE babies...is somewhat
like someone builds a sand castle and said they created the sand.

In order to truly create something you must create it out of nothing.

However that is virtually impossible to do.

I say virtually impossible because it would be possible for an omnipotent
God to do so since being omnipotent makes the God, all powerful.
Of course, you first have to be believe in such an existence.

And of course there are other hypotheses about how matter and energy
came to be...or if it ever DID come to be or was it always existed.

But then that's a debate all in itself.

[naruto_jock]

@Stick-man = I agree with you because there has to be a source for something to be created, so we can maybe guess that since "everything" that we need to create babies comes from something else there might actually be an "end" to humans since you can't cerate something out of nothing....just saying.

[Gamabunta]

Originally Posted by Kingsnoke

Bad Example.
Every note has already been created before. When one writes a song, they are just rearranging things already created.
Like furniture rearrangement.

Great example actually. What you are creating is a sequence. But yes everything we create is made up of things we did not create.

When producing a child you do not even get to arrange what your child is like. It is determined by genetics, chance, and I'd say the true creator.

[Kiko-kun]

Neither, magical lepercons plant them in the ground, then after a few months they get the baby plant then a stork flies it the mommy in the hospital, atually making it seem like they played a role using mind control.

[Kingsnoke]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

Great example actually. What you are creating is a sequence. But yes everything we create is made up of things we did not create.

When producing a child you do not even get to arrange what your child is like. It is determined by genetics, chance, and I'd say the true creator.

Genetics is all Sequences. All DNA is is a sequence of adenine, cytosine, guanine, thymine, Put together in a new way.
Completes the sequence.

Though G. Bunta has a good point with the second statement.

[Gamabunta]

Originally Posted by Kingsnoke

Genetics is all Sequences. All DNA is is a sequence of adenine, cytosine, guanine, thymine, Put together in a new way.
Completes the sequence.

Though G. Bunta has a good point with the second statement.

I had a good point with both statements. It's called a lead in. You have to walk people into your way of thinking through baby steps.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

No it isn't. Creation is to come up with something entirely new. For example creating a new song. Simply playing that song does not mean you created it. You produced it, you did not create it.

Creating something is to make something that was not there before. Production is a synonym of creation, go find a thesaurus.

[mrsticky005]

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[naruto_jock]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

Great example actually. What you are creating is a sequence. But yes everything we create is made up of things we did not create.

When producing a child you do not even get to arrange what your child is like. It is determined by genetics, chance, and I'd say the true creator.

That is very true, yet there are people who are now able to "choose" what their child will be like by deciding what sequence to change. Does it make it right?...I don't really know because as a parent, you have to look out for your child and by deciding how "smart" he/she will be, or how "athletic" he/she will be. If I were to do that, I would only make sure that my child wouldn't have any medical conditions at all.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Agreed. Saying people CREATE babies...is somewhat
like someone builds a sand castle and said they created the sand.

In order to truly create something you must create it out of nothing.

However that is virtually impossible to do.

I say virtually impossible because it would be possible for an omnipotent
God to do so since being omnipotent makes the God, all powerful.
Of course, you first have to be believe in such an existence.

And of course there are other hypotheses about how matter and energy
came to be...or if it ever DID come to be or was it always existed.

But then that's a debate all in itself.

Bad example.
Creating a baby would be the same as creating a sand castle, not creating the sand itself.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

Bad example.
Creating a baby would be the same as creating a sand castle, not creating the sand itself.

Sand castles are formed from the sand.

Babies are formed from their parents.

They come from already existing materials.

If you use a more lenient (which isn't necessarily a wrong definition) definition of "create" then it is correct to say both the sand castle
and baby are created by the people who form them. However with
a more strict definition of the word "create" as in causing the raw
materials to exist from nothing (which we don't even know for sure
if that is possible) saying babies are created by their parents is wrong.

There is no debate that people create babies by forming them from
an already existing mother and father. However people can not
create the raw materials to create life.

Cloning isn't creating life either for to do so it must take cells from
an already existing life form.

Actually creating just a one cell organism itself is very difficult if not impossible. People aren't even close to truly creating people.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Sand castles are formed from the sand.

Babies are formed from their parents.

They come from already existing materials.

If you use a more lenient (which isn't necessarily a wrong definition) definition of "create" then it is correct to say both the sand castle
and baby are created by the people who form them.

Debate done, overwith. Nothing more needs to be said after this.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

Debate done, overwith. Nothing more needs to be said after this.

Why because you say so? If others want to debate more then they can debate more. This isn't the Kuroda Taishi is Right No Questions Asked Section
this is the debate section. This also isn't the MrSticky005 is Right No Questions Asked Section this is the debate section.

If people want to debate more on this they can do so.

Otherwise this entire section serves no purpose but as propaganda.

[Kuroda Taishi]

No, because now that that statement has been stated it can shoot down pratically any arguement against it.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

No, because now that that statement has been stated it can shoot down pratically any arguement against it.

Who said you had to be right to debate?

You just have to think that you are right.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Who said you had to be right to debate?

You just have to think that you are right.

And you have to have the ability to prove you are right, along with the ability to recognize when you have been proven wrong.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

And you have to have the ability to prove you are right, along with the ability to recognize when you have been proven wrong.

Not really. I shall post a new topic on this.

[Kuroda Taishi]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Not really. I shall post a new topic on this.

Yes really. If you can't convince others that you are right by providing proof, then you will lose the debate.

[Nick Tasogare]

Clearly it's neither of the option you gave us. Babies are made by the governments of the world, and placed in homes after they have been developed fully enough. I thought it was obvious that that was why diapers cost so much? The government gives you babies, and then profit from diaper sales. Duh.

[SuperChoji]

mommy told me that shen she cried because god didnt want her to have me, her tear turned into a diamond and went underground then a big tree with lots of leaves and flowers grew and a HUGE eggcorn fell and cracked open and i was there.

then wendsday from the adams family told me they had sex..