Originally Posted by TheViolletteHeart
Well, you know, my school is allowed to have a African Women's Chorus.
Heck, most of the chorus classes are segregationary. They have "men only", "women only", "African men only" and "African women only" (and then one anyone can join, but still) classes. This hardly seems right.
Eh, I could see seperation between some men and women in a choir, because men and women tend to have different pitched voices. I would only truly consider it "segregationay" if there was a male who, persay, could perfectly match the pitch of a female, and was still forbidden from entering a female chorus. A tenor of that skill should be allowed to develop his (or her) talent by joining a choir usually reserved for the opposite sex. The same goes for female barritones.
Also, Black men tend to have different sounding voices from white men. Therefore, for the sake of the music itself, having a Black Mens or Black Womens chorus seems justified. As I said earlier; if a Black man can match the pitch and tone, and complement the chorus nicely, then of course, he should be able to join a White Mans chorus. However, this is not always the case, but generally, the sounds will sound just as good when a group of white men sing it as when a group of white men with a black man singing with them.
It seems like a silly issue.
Originally Posted by Gamabunta
So what? If you are not qualified for a job you don't deserve it. That's not racism, that's part of the American dream. When I work my ass off only to get robbed of an opportunity from someone who has not worked nearly as hard only because of their race, there is something wrong with that. As a black person you should understand by having these programs in place it does not encourage equality, instead it's just as Toph said: it makes it seem like you need a crutch. That somehow African Americans need some more assitance than whites. Just the ideas of these laws are more detrimental to the equality of your race more than anything else, including not being hired for a job because you were out competed. Why do you think there is still a large learning gap between blacks/Mexicans and whites/Asians? Because one group knows that no matter what the other group does if they can just aim a little higher than everyone else in their race then they will be guaranteed a job and guaranteed to be admitted into a school. Frederick Douglas understood this. Booker T. Washington understood this.
So you do you care more: about having a crutch? Or knowing that the crutch is really just saying that you do need help because you are not as good?
I can't tell what you've experienced but I can tell you what I have. Coming from the other side of the fence I've experienced more reverse discrimination and counter racism than anything else. Because of "political correctness" whites as the majority have to be more cautious than anyone else about they say. And most of the time that does not matter: they will be called racist either way. For instance one of my white teachers has a disruptive kid he has to deal with in my class. The kid is black, the teacher is white. He is the only one who ever gets in trouble because he is the only who stands up and screams cuss words, or threatens to harm someone else. Of course my teacher always ends up sending him to ISS. Whenever this happens he always calls him a racist, asking why he never sends the white kids, Asians, or Mexicans. Obviously it is because none of the other kids (including black) pull stunts like that. Wouldn't it be more racist if that teacher did not do anything because the kid was black?
Thank you for saving me the trouble of typing this all out in my own words.