Just let Obito be dead all ready: The Official Madara=Tobi Thread

zerosameri · 04-12-2010, 07:59 PM

I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is, Madara = Tobi.

Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed.

Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan
Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off
Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what
Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic
Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.
All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.
All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job
When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.
All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.
Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now
Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point
Kisame knows Madara is Madara
Kabuto knows Madara is Madara
And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara
Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*
Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.
Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan
Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Madara's body is NOT in the coffin, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go people.

Edit: for lulz here is a wall of tex

Spoiler:

Wooster · 04-12-2010, 08:07 PM

Not to be a jack***, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then?

But really there is no way Obito is Tobi. In mrsticky's devil's advocate thread. We actually found it led to a logical fallacy. Therefore, even if Kishimoto did it, there would be a massive plot hole.

katsu uchiha · 04-12-2010, 08:08 PM

obito is dead, end of story

zerosameri · 04-12-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Not to be a jack***, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then?

But really there is no way Obito is Tobi. In mrsticky's devil's advocate thread. We actually found it led to a logical fallacy. Therefore, even if Kishimoto did it, there would be a massive plot hole.

Yea he could. But what would be want with a no good weak kid that just got his 2 Toma sharingan *what power Kabuto wants Obito is nothing*

Kabuto could summon Obito. But Obito is not Madara.

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I know, but people don't get that.

and yet no matter how you put it to them they still say Obito is Madara OMG

Kakashi-sama · 04-12-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Not to be a jack***, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then?

1. Why would Kabuto wants to summon Obito?
2. Why would Madara be surprised to see Obito? (unless they have a secret relationship that we readers dont knw about, but that's least likely to happen)

3littlepigs · 04-12-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is Madara = Madara.

Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed.

Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan
Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off
Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what
Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic
Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.
All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.
All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job
When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.
All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.
Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now
Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point
Kisame knows Madara is Madara
Kabuto knows Madara is Madara
And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara
Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*
Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.
Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan
Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Madara's body is NOT in the coffen, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go peopel.

Not sure you had to sound that frustrated in your post but I do agree with you that it should be impossible for Obito to be alive even if this is a manga we're talking about. He's dead all right although I do disagree with you saying that Madara's body is not in the coffin.

Since I'm an Itachi fan I want to believe that if he was sure Tobi is Madara then it must be but it could still happen that Tobi isn't Madara and the real Madara was summoned by Kabuto hence his shocked expression. If it wasn't the real Madara then I'm betting on it being the Sage..I don't see who else could scare him like that and whoever it was either had proof or was proof that Tobi/Madara's lying about something pretty important...

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Not to be a jack***, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then?

But really there is no way Obito is Tobi. In mrsticky's devil's advocate thread. We actually found it led to a logical fallacy. Therefore, even if Kishimoto did it, there would be a massive plot hole.

Even if Kabuto summoned Obito....what use would it be? Someone who was evidently weaker than Kakashi wouldn't scare Madara at all (well if we're still assuming Madara is the real Madara)

I'm honestly not sure Kishi would mind if it was a plot hole as long as he likes where the story's going....

Phoenix Wright · 04-12-2010, 08:41 PM

Wow, read my entire damn thread before making stupid threads like this. You know you could have put that in my thread instead of making your own, or were you to scared because you were in my turf? Happy, now there's people defending you. I could give a crap, I'll debate until Kishi disproves every small point in my theory. Your OP was already countered pages ago in my thread.

Wooster · 04-12-2010, 08:56 PM

I think everyone missed my point. Kabuto, of course, wouldn't revive Obito. He just could.

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Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

I'm honestly not sure Kishi would mind if it was a plot hole as long as he likes where the story's going....

I know that. Itachi Twist.

Cyl · 04-12-2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooster

Not to be a jack***, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then?

But really there is no way Obito is Tobi. In mrsticky's devil's advocate thread. We actually found it led to a logical fallacy. Therefore, even if Kishimoto did it, there would be a massive plot hole.

Why would Kabuto want to summon Obito? A kid with almost no feats or no use at all.

zerosameri · 04-12-2010, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueborn_Uchiha

Wow, read my entire damn thread before making stupid threads like this. You know you could have put that in my thread instead of making your own, or were you to scared because you were in my turf? Happy, now there's people defending you. I could give a crap, I'll debate until Kishi disproves every small point in my theory. Your OP was already countered pages ago in my thread.

I read every page in your thread befor I made this. I had your thread in minde, but even if I posted this in your thread not has many people will read this.

And I'll be happy to post this in your thread too.

Phoenix Wright · 04-13-2010, 01:23 AM

Thanks, but also its not that hard to get the posting curse, like someone posted this long explanation in my thread, I doubt anyone but me would read it.

What I do sometimes to avoid it is to after every sentence double space, but no matter if I'm writing a lot or a few sentences, if you do that it looks like your post is really long.

To avoid it completely? Post short posts.

Vivi · 04-13-2010, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is Madara = Madara.

Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed.

Zillion?Don't put such numbers in the Air.

Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan

Madara hasnt got an exact age so ho do you know?You can only guess.Also Tobi never showed MS.

Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off
False.It was supposed to go off when Sasuke's looks at the Person Itachi thought is Madara.Doesnt prove he is Madara.
Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what

Since it's Minato it means he can't be wrong?

Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic

A 13 Y old Medic.

Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.

And that proves Tobi=Madara how?

All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.

Ever heard of fooling others?

All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job

Page please?Madara was a Konoha Enemy.

When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.

He only said Masked Man.If he knew its Madara he wouldnt have said Masked Man but his name.

All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.

Yeah because the History of Konoha and it's birth is unknown to everyone.Even Kakashi knew him.

Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now

That proves Obito is Madara not disproving it.

Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point

Page again?

Kisame knows Madara is Madara

Which is impossible cause he called him Mizukage as well.
A Ninja world wide known for his rebellion against Konoha becoming Kage in a Village he's not even member of.
Yep right...

Kabuto knows Madara is Madara

And?Just because it's kabuto as well it means he can't be fooled?

And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara

Already answered this.

Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*

Again doesnt prove anything.

Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.

Tobi is a Liar as Minato has proven.

Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan

Means nothing again.IF Obito was alive he could have gained it.

Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Proof only 3 did?It's History of Konoha.

Madara's body is NOT in the coffen, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go peopel.

Yellow.
Also what gives you the right to tell People to let him be dead?
It's Fiction.It's a Theory and damn sure not up to you to tell People to "Let it go".

mrsticky005 · 04-13-2010, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by zerosameri

I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is Madara = Madara.

Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed.

Zillion?Don't put such numbers in the Air.

It's called exaggeration. Sure maybe it wasn't actually a zillion
boulders but even 5 boulders would do the job.

Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan

Madara hasnt got an exact age so ho do you know?You can only guess.Also Tobi never showed MS.

You can somewhat guessimate his age but yeah nbody really know.
True Tobi has never showed MS. At least not that we can say for sure.

Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off

False.It was supposed to go off when Sasuke's looks at the Person Itachi thought is Madara.Doesnt prove he is Madara.

This would make sense if it went off when Sasuke just saw Tobi.
But Tobi had to take off his mask before it went off. That means
Itachi would have had to see this person's face before. Since
Obito is around the same age as Kakashi and was an Uchiha
Itachi probably knew of Obito and would know what he looked like.
I suppose you could argue that Itachi wouldn't know everybody
in the clan. But I doubt he would mistake Obito for Madara.
Especially when they are NOT wearing a mask.

Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what

Since it's Minato it means he can't be wrong?

Pretty much, yes.
Minato shouldn't have had to say the blantanly obvious
but he did. Why? Because unless Kishimoto has a character
with a lot of reputation say "this person is dead" people will
be wondering about it for the rest of eternity. It's a way
of bringing closure to those who can't come to terms.
Of course not everyone can be convinced.

If it was Madara who said Obito was dead then there might be some questions because Madara is known to be a liar. If it was Iruka who said it then he might be mistaken too because Iruka doesn't have the same rep.

Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic

A 13 Y old Medic.

Obito was a 13 year old genin who people somehow
think either emerged from the boulders or was rescued by some random plant man and went on to start a evil organization bent on world domination. So I don't see how a 13 year old medic couldn't tell that someone is dead.

Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.

And that proves Tobi=Madara how?

It just proves Obito is not Madara.
Even if Tobi is not Madara, Obito isn't the next most likely choice.

All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.

Ever heard of fooling others?

He fooled others when he didn't die. Until recently, Madara (Tobi)
was trying to keep it on the low down that he was Madara.
It would be far more advantageous if Madara could go about
his business without anyone knowing that he was still alive.
Remember Itachi found him out. He didn't present himself to Itachi.

All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job

Page please?Madara was a Konoha Enemy.

Yeah, Madara wasn't sent by Konoha. Itachi got his help.

When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.

He only said Masked Man.If he knew its Madara he wouldnt have said Masked Man but his name.

Yep, he did only say masked man. However this masked man could control nine tails. There's not even the slightest clue that Obito
had even the remote possibility of that kind of power.

All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.

Yeah because the History of Konoha and it's birth is unknown to everyone.Even Kakashi knew him.

Madara knew of Itachi's truth. Kakashi didn't.
Nobody knew except Itachi, Danzo, Homaru, Koharu
and Madara.
But let's just pretend that Tobi is Obito.
How is it that Obito, a lowly Genin would be in the know
of such a thing that was kept top secret?

Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now

That proves Obito is Madara not disproving it.

You mean that Obito would be Tobi?
Or is this now going to the magical theory that
Madara randomly picked up Obito's body because
of course there aren't any better Uchiha than himself.

Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point

Page again?

Well if Madara is still alive then they would have been both alive at one point.

Kisame knows Madara is Madara

Which is impossible cause he called him Mizukage as well.
A Ninja world wide known for his rebellion against Konoha becoming Kage in a Village he's not even member of.
Yep right...

There's a really easy way to explain this. Really easy.
Madara was Fourth Mizukage de facto.
Remember Yagura? He was being controlled by an unknown Genjutsu.
Now who do you find more likely to have such a powerful genjutsu?
Madara or Obito? If Obito then where did he get such powers?
He never had any powers when he we know he was alive so he would had
to gain such powers somehow. Madara however we know had the EMS at one point so it shouldn't be surprising if he can will a ham sandwich into existence. Madara was controlling Yagura from behind the scenes.
Kisame called Madara Mizukage because he was the one in power.
There's no proof that Madara was fourth mizukage de facto but it
makes a lot more sense than Obito, a lowly genin being able to manipulate an entire country. The fact that Madara had to take off his mask
is what helps prove he is in fact Madara or at the very least he was
able to trick Kisame back then into thinking he was Madara.

Kabuto knows Madara is Madara

And?Just because it's kabuto as well it means he can't be fooled?

Kabuto could be fooled. But it's more of the fact he's just another person who knows and also another person who hasn't thought he was Obito.

Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*

Again doesnt prove anything.

It's just that another person says Tobi to be Madara.

Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.

Tobi is a Liar as Minato has proven.

Madara stole the MS.

Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan

Means nothing again.IF Obito was alive he could have gained it.

True, he could have but there's no indication that he did.

Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Proof only 3 did?It's History of Konoha.

Yes, it is History of Konoha. However how would Obito know of such things like the Anbu being set up as watch-dogs in Uchiha land? Obito was a lowly
genin who wasn't in the know.

Madara's body is NOT in the coffen, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go peopel.

SakiUchiha · 04-13-2010, 10:05 AM

You're all frustrated I can tell.

mrsticky005 · 04-13-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SakiUchiha

You're all frustrated I can tell.

I'm not FRUSTRATED AT ALL!!!!!!!!!*&^#*@&

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Hidden Ninja45 · 04-13-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I'm not FRUSTRATED AT ALL!!!!!!!!!*&^#*@&

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Anyway, I agree that Obito is probably dead, but I just really wish he wasn't because he was a pretty cool character in the Kakashi Chronicles.

mrsticky005 · 04-13-2010, 02:50 PM

Kishimoto should go with my theory of awesomeness.

Shisui and Obito were brothers.

Then it would be like his death had more of a point.

MinatoUchiha · 04-13-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosameri

I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is Madara = Madara.

Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed.

Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan
Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off
Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what
Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic
Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.
All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.
All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job
When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.
All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.
Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now
Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point
Kisame knows Madara is Madara
Kabuto knows Madara is Madara
And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara
Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*
Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.
Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan
Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Madara's body is NOT in the coffen, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go peopel.

THANK YOU!!! finally im not one of the only ones that knows that Obito is DEAD....and you actually stated all the reasons why Madara=Madara...rep up!

*Talim of the moonlight* · 04-13-2010, 04:48 PM

IKR! No matter how many times people can make the best theory of the world to say Obito is alive!!!!!!!!! THE FRECKIN DUDE IS DEAD AND GONE!

mrsticky005 · 04-13-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by *Talim of the moonlight*

IKR! No matter how many times people can make the best theory of the world to say Obito is alive!!!!!!!!! THE FRECKIN DUDE IS DEAD AND GONE!

I don't see where people see any mystery in if he died.
I mean as if the one giant boulder crushing him, and him
coughing up blood, and him saying how his right side is
pretty much gone, and how he was saying he didn't
think he was gonna make it and how he couldn't
move and how Kakashi couldn't lift the boulder and
how MORE rocks fell on BOTH sides of his face when
the cave collapsed on him.

Now, the only remote possibility is that someone (maybe Zetsu)
randomly decided to dig out a bunch of rocks and unearth Obito,
and reassemble him into Tobi.

Though WHY Zetsu or anyone else would do that is beyond me.

04-12-2010, 07:59 PM	#1
zerosameri Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sasuke Won Posts: 19,226 Rep Power: 19 Member's Picture Albums Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2 Total Points: 254	Just let Obito be dead all ready: The Official Madara=Tobi Thread I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is, Madara = Tobi. Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed. Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed. All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive. All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too. All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off. Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point Kisame knows Madara is Madara Kabuto knows Madara is Madara And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. just a ASSUMING *Only* Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it. Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts* got his 2 Toma sharingan Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about Madara's body is NOT in the coffin, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go people. Edit: for lulz here is a wall of tex Spoiler: -Madara is over 100 years old wail Obtio would only be in his mid 30's right now -The Tablet that is in the Uchiha Temple thing. Only very few people knew about. They were only Uchiha's and very high up in the clan. Madara and Itachi said that only 3 known (I think) people were able to read it. It's sad that 1st you'll need the Basic 3 Toma sharingan, then the MS, then the EMS, and the Rinnegan. The tablet explains all of what Rikudo went throw and the Juubi. When the uchiha found out how to get the EMS only a very few knew about the Tablet. And Assuming that the Tablet gives more information As you get higher on the Sharigan chart, Madara is the only one that knows about the Juubi and Rikudo's secrets Origonal Naruto right befor Sasuke left the Village -He did say he was only a shell of him old self so of cores he is going to be weaker, so did Itachi ______ and chapter 401 -Madara was the clan leader and an Anbu. As the clan leader you know everything about the Uchiha's, what the Village thinks of you, and your plans. Madara seems to know every last detail about them and he has flash backs that only he could have due to his clan position as the leader chapter 396 page 14 through chapter 401 -When Izuna gave his MS to Madara everyone was saying how he stole it from him, along that to gain the EMS you need someone else MS. As Madara said that his brother willing gave it to him. That said him and his brother was extremely strong, so clearly it would be hard to steal his brother's eye. Madara said that he loved his brother dearly and when ever someone brings him up he gets ticked. -It has been shown multiple times, Madara with his ANBU mask. And I don't think anyone would try to seal the ANBU, Leader of the Uchiha's clan mask. -It was said that the 1st and Madara founded Konha (the statues at the Final Valley proves that). Now Madara was saying that him and the 1st had an long battle over who would be the Hokage of the new land. Now wail all of the senju's and uchiha fighting it is impossible to try to say what Madara said about the fight, unless you wanted to die and not pay any attention to your fight. chapter 398 page 16-19 and chapter 399 page 2 -Madara was explaining the hate between the two clans and how the leaders of the clan were trying to make a peace agreement. Now that treaty they were making was probably top secret at the time. And until they made the agreement not a word was shed of that so there wouldn't be any confusion. Now Madara was the clan leader so of cores he knows all of this. Anyone else, they wouldn't know of this -Itachi set it when Sasuke see's Madara's sharinagn his ammy would go off. Guess what, it went off. chapter 397 -All of the flash backs the contain new info about Madara has been consistent with his current self -Only 7 people knew of what happened when Itachi killed his clan. Danzou, the 2 elders, Sasuke, Itachi, and the 3rd. Madara told Sasuke what happened, it matched up to what Itachi told him. chapter 398 -There is no way Madara can have his wear house of eye's if he wasn't there t help Itachi kill the clan. The only people that were going to kill the clan was Itachi and Madara. No one else was there to kill them. Madara has 108 sharingan he say's he likes to stalk up on them and there is no way he could of gotten all of them unless he was there the nigh him and Itachi killed the clan -By Itachi making it so Sasuke's ammy goes off when he see's Madara's sharingan. Is saying that Itachi knew he was still alive. last few pages of chapter 396 and chapter 397 page 8 -Kisame knew something about Madara that he didn't want anyone to know. If Madara was dead he wouldn't have killed him self to protect that secret. Chapter 507 -When Tsunade was informed 'A mask man is behind all of this. We think it might be Madara' She wasn't surprised it was like she also knew he was alive The Pain arc -Only 3 people have a space time jutsu. Minato, Madara and the 2nd. Chapter 500 I think -Madara had a flash back explaining the fight he had with the 1st. and he had the Kyuubi with him too. What he said corresponds to what Kushina was telling Naruto about how Minato and her feel in love (the part were her sister married the 1st and she was the Kyuubi's host, and then she had died when Madara took the Kyuubi.) chapter 399 -Tobi clearly knew everything about Madara, when Madara him self was of said to have been forgotten and anything about him was gone/disappeared. chapter 399 -It was shown and confirmed that Izuna is dead. chapter 399 -When Madara took off his mask to show Kisame his face. Kisame knew he was Madara His time line -Killed Izuna to get his EMS (well Izuna gave his eye's to him) -Had a conference with the higher up Uchiha's around this time -Became an ANBU some wear near this time I think -Madara was the leader of the Uchiha's -Madara fought the 1st for Hokage tittle at The Vally of The End -The senju's and uchiha had a treaty to stop fighting -Used/fought with the kyuubi and the 1st hokage -Was said to have been 'disappeared' -Met Nagato and gave him the Rinnegan -Told Nagato or Yahiko to make the Akatsuki -cut his hair around this time -Became the Mizukage around this time -Madara stole baby Naruto -Madara summoned the Kyuubi -Madara controlled the Kyuubi -Some time between these to he made the Akatsuki -Some time between these Something happens with his body -Madara helped Itachi kill his clan -Gathered all the Good sharingan and made his wear house -Left the Leaf Village -Madara became Tobi -Madara gathered Sasuke -Told Sasuke about the trueth of Itachi and some what the truth of Kyuubi attack 16 years ago -Told Naruto about the Senju and Uchiha -Madara declared war on the world -Madara was scared when he saw the person in the coffin --- Madara's Sharingan shield thing he had in the last page (511), proves he is Madara. I mean for real. He had that threw out 99% of his flash backs. Clearly Madara is Madara. __________________ Tobi and his 'Senpai' moments To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by zerosameri; 01-05-2011 at 04:29 PM. Reason: added a coma

04-12-2010, 08:07 PM	#2
Wooster Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 36,978 Rep Power: 32	Re: Just let Obito be dead all ready Not to be a jack**, but if Obito is dead couldn't Kabuto summon him then? But really there is no way Obito is Tobi. In mrsticky's devil's advocate thread. We actually found it led to a logical fallacy. Therefore, even if Kishimoto did it, there would be a massive plot hole. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.* Last edited by Wooster; 04-12-2010 at 08:10 PM.

04-12-2010, 08:08 PM	#3
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04-12-2010, 08:41 PM	#7
Phoenix Wright Attorney at Lawl Join Date: May 2009 Location: District Court Posts: 6,896 Rep Power: 11	Re: Just let Obito be dead all ready Wow, read my entire damn thread before making stupid threads like this. You know you could have put that in my thread instead of making your own, or were you to scared because you were in my turf? Happy, now there's people defending you. I could give a crap, I'll debate until Kishi disproves every small point in my theory. Your OP was already countered pages ago in my thread. __________________ YouTube:

04-13-2010, 01:23 AM	#11
Phoenix Wright Attorney at Lawl Join Date: May 2009 Location: District Court Posts: 6,896 Rep Power: 11	Re: Just let Obito be dead all ready Thanks, but also its not that hard to get the posting curse, like someone posted this long explanation in my thread, I doubt anyone but me would read it. What I do sometimes to avoid it is to after every sentence double space, but no matter if I'm writing a lot or a few sentences, if you do that it looks like your post is really long. To avoid it completely? Post short posts. __________________ YouTube:

04-13-2010, 06:00 AM	#13
mrsticky005 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In the White Text House Posts: 13,912 Rep Power: 23 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Just let Obito be dead all ready Originally Posted by zerosameri I don't care how damn solid-good your theory is Madara = Madara. Obito is under zillion of Pound of bounders this whole body is smashed. Zillion?Don't put such numbers in the Air. It's called exaggeration. Sure maybe it wasn't actually a zillion boulders but even 5 boulders would do the job. Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan Madara hasnt got an exact age so ho do you know?You can only guess.Also Tobi never showed MS. You can somewhat guessimate his age but yeah nbody really know. True Tobi has never showed MS. At least not that we can say for sure. Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off False.It was supposed to go off when Sasuke's looks at the Person Itachi thought is Madara.Doesnt prove he is Madara. This would make sense if it went off when Sasuke just saw Tobi. But Tobi had to take off his mask before it went off. That means Itachi would have had to see this person's face before. Since Obito is around the same age as Kakashi and was an Uchiha Itachi probably knew of Obito and would know what he looked like. I suppose you could argue that Itachi wouldn't know everybody in the clan. But I doubt he would mistake Obito for Madara. Especially when they are NOT wearing a mask. Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what Since it's Minato it means he can't be wrong? Pretty much, yes. Minato shouldn't have had to say the blantanly obvious but he did. Why? Because unless Kishimoto has a character with a lot of reputation say "this person is dead" people will be wondering about it for the rest of eternity. It's a way of bringing closure to those who can't come to terms. Of course not everyone can be convinced. If it was Madara who said Obito was dead then there might be some questions because Madara is known to be a liar. If it was Iruka who said it then he might be mistaken too because Iruka doesn't have the same rep. Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic A 13 Y old Medic. Obito was a 13 year old genin who people somehow think either emerged from the boulders or was rescued by some random plant man and went on to start a evil organization bent on world domination. So I don't see how a 13 year old medic couldn't tell that someone is dead. Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed. And that proves Tobi=Madara how? It just proves Obito is not Madara. Even if Tobi is not Madara, Obito isn't the next most likely choice. All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive. Ever heard of fooling others? He fooled others when he didn't die. Until recently, Madara (Tobi) was trying to keep it on the low down that he was Madara. It would be far more advantageous if Madara could go about his business without anyone knowing that he was still alive. Remember Itachi found him out. He didn't present himself to Itachi. All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job Page please?Madara was a Konoha Enemy. Yeah, Madara wasn't sent by Konoha. Itachi got his help. When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too. He only said Masked Man.If he knew its Madara he wouldnt have said Masked Man but his name. Yep, he did only say masked man. However this masked man could control nine tails. There's not even the slightest clue that Obito had even the remote possibility of that kind of power. All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off. Yeah because the History of Konoha and it's birth is unknown to everyone.Even Kakashi knew him. Madara knew of Itachi's truth. Kakashi didn't. Nobody knew except Itachi, Danzo, Homaru, Koharu and Madara. But let's just pretend that Tobi is Obito. How is it that Obito, a lowly Genin would be in the know of such a thing that was kept top secret? Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now That proves Obito is Madara not disproving it. You mean that Obito would be Tobi? Or is this now going to the magical theory that Madara randomly picked up Obito's body because of course there aren't any better Uchiha than himself. Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point Page again? Well if Madara is still alive then they would have been both alive at one point. Kisame knows Madara is Madara Which is impossible cause he called him Mizukage as well. A Ninja world wide known for his rebellion against Konoha becoming Kage in a Village he's not even member of. Yep right... There's a really easy way to explain this. Really easy. Madara was Fourth Mizukage de facto. Remember Yagura? He was being controlled by an unknown Genjutsu. Now who do you find more likely to have such a powerful genjutsu? Madara or Obito? If Obito then where did he get such powers? He never had any powers when he we know he was alive so he would had to gain such powers somehow. Madara however we know had the EMS at one point so it shouldn't be surprising if he can will a ham sandwich into existence. Madara was controlling Yagura from behind the scenes. Kisame called Madara Mizukage because he was the one in power. There's no proof that Madara was fourth mizukage de facto but it makes a lot more sense than Obito, a lowly genin being able to manipulate an entire country. The fact that Madara had to take off his mask is what helps prove he is in fact Madara or at the very least he was able to trick Kisame back then into thinking he was Madara. Kabuto knows Madara is Madara And?Just because it's kabuto as well it means he can't be fooled? Kabuto could be fooled. But it's more of the fact he's just another person who knows and also another person who hasn't thought he was Obito. Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. just a ASSUMING Again doesnt prove anything. It's just that another person says Tobi to be Madara. *Only* Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it. Tobi is a Liar as Minato has proven. Madara stole the MS. Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts* got his 2 Toma sharingan Means nothing again.IF Obito was alive he could have gained it. True, he could have but there's no indication that he did. Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about Proof only 3 did?It's History of Konoha. Yes, it is History of Konoha. However how would Obito know of such things like the Anbu being set up as watch-dogs in Uchiha land? Obito was a lowly genin who wasn't in the know. Madara's body is NOT in the coffen, and Obito is NOT Madara. Let it go peopel. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spam once and the forum will be annoyed. Spam twice and warnings will be deployed Spam thrice and a infraction you will receive Spam 8,984 times and a FAIL Agent you''ll soon be. ...At least in my case. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-13-2010, 02:50 PM	#17
mrsticky005 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In the White Text House Posts: 13,912 Rep Power: 23 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Just let Obito be dead all ready Kishimoto should go with my theory of awesomeness. Shisui and Obito were brothers. Then it would be like his death had more of a point. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spam once and the forum will be annoyed. Spam twice and warnings will be deployed Spam thrice and a infraction you will receive Spam 8,984 times and a FAIL Agent you''ll soon be. ...At least in my case. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

04-13-2010, 04:48 PM	#19
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