God doesn't exist... agree or disagree?

[Shinobi killer]

@ Toph if he loves "us" why he sented us to this sinfull earth, instead of to give the bliss of "Eden"...

[Toph]

It's because of Adam and Eve. And besides, it's us humans that are destroying the world, not God. He wanted us to take care of it, but all we're doing now is destroying it. The world was never meant to be sinfull.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Toph

I didn't say it was ok. Besides, you really can't question why God is doing all of these things. Just like I said before, we humans only have a finite mind while God has an infinite one. But I know that He loves all of us very much, that's why He wants to guide us.

Yes, I can. I can judge or question the bible because I have "free will". What he is doing is wrong. I can tell you that if any of those people form the bible were alive today, they would be thrown in prison, and rightfully so. They would be crazy extremists that will try to kill homosexuals, unruly children, and anyone working on the sabbath. God loves us so much, he makes other people kill us.

[Toph]

Lol! You're right. Sorry about that. Don't worry, He's not doing anything wrong. He's only protecting us and doing what's right for us. It may seem horrible and some other stuff you said, but it's just like when it comes to our parents. We think of them rude when they try to discipline us, but they're only doing it because they love us and they're protecting us.

[Eeltauy]

Originally Posted by Toph

I didn't say it was ok. Besides, you really can't question why God is doing all of these things. Just like I said before, we humans only have a finite mind while God has an infinite one. But I know that He loves all of us very much, that's why He wants to guide us.

sorry, but I have a question...
if God really loves us, why he don't let us choose our destiny?!... I can't choose my Gender, I can't choose my family nor my race or my country, I can't choose my abilities and even my face, I can't choose to be born or not and even when, how and where to die... where is Justice?! and if there is no justice, where is that love?!! how can he loves us under this circumstances?! you said that our minds are finite, but even a finite mind can understand that if there is no justice, then love don't mean a thing!!

[Toph]

Wow! That's a hard question. I don't know the answer to that. You're right, if there is no justice, then love don't mean a thing!! But come on, you answered your question yourself. We only have a finite mind to understand things that are limited. Maybe, just maybe, that question of yours, can only be answered by God. And you my friend, will just have to wait.

PS. You can choose your own destiny. Because of free will.

[Toph]

I am so wrong with what I just said. There is an answer to that question of yours. God planned us to be born, He gave us free will to enjoy it but He also gave instructions on how to live the right way. God loves you, He loves all of us, and God has a plan for us, we just need to follow it, but some, are walking on the wrong path. As for choosing your family, your abilities and some other stuff, God planned that too. Look, I don't have the exact answer, but that's what I know.

[Eeltauy]

I used to believe that god make anyone just in place! I mean I believed that I can't be anyone else and God had a purpose of creating me like this, but then my opinion changed when I saw different people with different disabilities or problems. why should a child die from hunger? I saw a lot of wretch and sad people and I couldn't find a little bit of justice! I saw a little kid that was retarded for no particular reason! why?! do you know why?! there is no reason! it's all coincidences! it has nothing to do with god, cause I can't find a logical reason to believe in god or his justice. I don't want a god without justice! God is just a shelter for wretch and weak people to run into!! it's just an illusion!

[Shinobi killer]

@ Eeltauy it's true... You have a sense...

There's no justice...


No one can answer why most of us don't have equal chances in our life...

[Toph]

Here's what I know, again. All of those people with disabilities are still good at something and they can still succeed. As for the children that die from hunger, I don't know because it's usually their parents fault that made them that way. But even if you don't believe in God, I know that He's proud that you care for this world and you want God with justice. I really don't have the answer. Why don't you pray?

[Eeltauy]

look friend, I was Muslim and I used to pray, but why?! why on earth should I pray?! if there is a god and he has such a power, then he don't need my pray! I don't like any religion and I can't find a good reason to believe in god, but if he exists and if he's watching me, and again, if he's really gracious... he will judge me by my good actions that I'm doing for other people, and not by my prays! I know a lot of people (I mean... a lot!) that praying for nothing!, or bad and evil people that have the audacity to pray!! praying is not a big deal! the important thing is your pureness and goodness. I believe in that, and I live my life with this ideology.

[Toph]

I'm not forcing you to believe in God. Besides, i'ts your choice. And by the way, I respect your ideology, it's good.

[Eeltauy]

Originally Posted by Toph

I'm not forcing you to believe in God. Besides, i'ts your choice. And by the way, I respect your ideology, it's good.

thanks. I doesn't mean any disrespect. If I sounded harsh, I'm sorry and thank you for respecting my ideology.
and, who knows?!... maybe someday, I will find a logical answer for my question and I will believe in god again with all my heart.

[Blind Uchiha]

Originally Posted by Err

I guess there's no way around God without getting religious scripture involved.

The bible is not perfect, it contradicts itself, it's immoral, it advocates slavery, stoning of people, human sacrifice, promotes gender inequality, among a lot of other things.

By saying this is the word of your God and saying that it's perfect, you are saying that these things are ok. I know you don't consider these things to be moral or just (at least, I would hope not), but believing in the bible is believing all these horrible things.

As I like to say when debating the Bible, "Chapter and Verse." Slavery was a common practice in ancient days, but the Bible did not promote it. If you are using Isaac as a reference for human sacrifice then you are wrong. God only wanted to know if Abraham trusted him with his son's life. God did not allow Abraham to kill his son. Women being under their husband is a result of the curse of sin. It was not a part of the original sinless creation.

[Hozuki Suigetsu]

Originally Posted by Err

I guess there's no way around God without getting religious scripture involved.

The bible is not perfect, it contradicts itself.

List these "contradictions" please... They might be in your bible but they are not in my Bible, or Maybe you are not understanding it correctly.

There are no contradictions in the Bible. People say that the Bible has "contradictions" like Exodus 24:10 and John 1:18. Exodus says the Israelites SAW God, while Jesus said in John that "no man hath seen God at any time". Contradiction, right? No, it's only a matter of rightly dividing the word of truth (which you may not be practicing if II Tim. 2:15 has been altered in your "bible"). God is a Trinity, just like you and I. We're a body, a soul, and a spirit (I Ths. 5:23). The Israelites saw a physical manifestation of God, but not the soul of God, just as no one has ever seen your soul. A lot of the Gospels were recorded by different accounts.
No one person can have the same ideas. You could look at something, but I would look at it differently.

[crystalblade13]

i believe in god. nuff' said.

[2hyper4u AKA Sloth]

I ish proud of my religion!!!
I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster XD
(is an actual religion, I just dont actually belong to it =P)

[KARINISSOSEXY]

Originally Posted by sasu_girl

i need proof of something to believe in it. and since they can't prove there's a god i don't believe in one. i have no religion actually =P

Can you see air? Didnt think so. How can you know it exists? Becuase your living? Bull . because it could be another reason. Youve never, ever seen the moon up close. Yeah you've seen videos, but theres no proof they were real. Coulda been doctored. Youve never seen a galaxy or anything in space, for you would need to be outside of the milky way to do so, but you believe its there? Germs? Ha! They don't exist,, simply because you cant see it. Scientists could be bullshitting you all the time. "Yeah well thousands of scientists proved it!" Yeah? well thouseands of religous leaders proved God, but you all turn a blind eye. And how do you think the universe started? Boom? Big boom boom? Randomly? Because *NOTHING* compressed so hard it exploded? Hold on. I thought it was nothing. Whatever.

People also ask, very ignorantly I might add, why do bad things always happen if God is so gracious? Because God gave us the power to choose. and it has been the weight of OUR sin that we feel everyday. If everyone changed, which can't happen because of all of the poeple in the world like YOU, then maybe Karma would too. Your bringing this on yourself by ignoring the bible, or the Qu'ran. And I say both because they are based upon the same Ideas.

[Err]

Originally Posted by KARINISSOSEXY

Can you see air? Didnt think so. How can you know it exists? Becuase your living? , because it could be another reason. Youve never, ever seen the moon up close. Yeah you've seen videos, but theres no proof they were real. Coulda been doctored. Youve never seen a galaxy or anything in space, for you would need to be outside of the milky way to do so, but you believe its there? Germs? Ha! They don't exist,, simply because you cant see it. Scientists could be bullshitting you all the time. "Yeah well thousands of scientists proved it!" Yeah? well thouseands of religous leaders proved God, but you all turn a blind eye. And how do you think the universe started? Boom? Big boom boom? Randomly? Because *NOTHING* compressed so hard it exploded? Hold on. I thought it was nothing. Whatever.

People also ask, very ignorantly I might add, why do bad things always happen if God is so gracious? Because God gave us the power to choose. and it has been the weight of OUR sin that we feel everyday. If everyone changed, which can't happen because of all of the poeple in the world like YOU, then maybe Karma would too. Your bringing this on yourself by ignoring the bible, or the Qu'ran. And I say both because they are based upon the same Ideas.

* I will get back to the replies to my comments later.

Air can be tested, the moon can be tested, galaxies can be tested. God, on the other hand, cannot. I find it amazing that Christians believe that a man survived in a "big fish" for three days, or that the earth was completely flooded, but talk about the big bang, and it just blows their mind!

[ninetailnaruto32]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

Then did it just magically appear on earth? xD.

it was written & published by god .

then it was translated by humans into english.