Misconception about Pain

[Kazumi Saitama]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

True.

The paths are not a transformation. Nagato doesn't transform, he just uses his bodies to fight for him, while he's hidden somewhere else. If he were in the battlefield though he can summon Gedo Mazo or have his bodies protect him.

Sage Mode still takes prep time.

I never said anything about special techniques.

I still do not understand where you are coming from. The Six Paths of Pain is a technique, just like Sage Mode. Yes, during Sage Mode, the user transforms, but nonetheless, it is still a technique. Nagato uses bodies and summons. Naruto uses transformations and summons. If it were a one on one battle. Naruto would easily defeat Nagato. Plot or no plot. It is as simple as that.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

I still do not understand where you are coming from. The Six Paths of Pain is a technique, just like Sage Mode. Yes, during Sage Mode, the user transforms, but nonetheless, it is still a technique. Nagato uses bodies and summons. Naruto uses transformations and summons. If it were a one on one battle. Naruto would easily defeat Nagato. Plot or no plot. It is as simple as that.

I do not understand what else is there to get about Sage Mode taking prep time. Several minutes at least. In his fight with Pain Naruto already had it prepared. He can't just immediately activate sage mode if he were to start in base.

If it were a one on one battle with only Nagato, maybe but I don't see how Naruto gets around Gedo Mazo's soul sucking. Anyways Nagato uses his bodies to fight so why shouldn't he have them here? The Six Paths of Pain vs. Naruto is what I'm talking about.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

I do not understand what else is there to get about Sage Mode taking prep time. Several minutes at least. In his fight with Pain Naruto already had it prepared. He can't just immediately activate sage mode if he were to start in base.

If it were a one on one battle with only Nagato, maybe but I don't see how Naruto gets around Gedo Mazo's soul sucking. Anyways Nagato uses his bodies to fight so why shouldn't he have them here? The Six Paths of Pain vs. Naruto is what I'm talking about.

I know that it takes time to prepare Sage Mode but that is the entire point of a battle. You come prepared: period, point, blank. If Nagato would be allowed to use his Six Paths of Pain, then Naruto should be allowed to use his Sage Mode. Do you honestly think, just because one person comes to battle without something and the other does, the battle should discontinue? It does not work that way.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

I know that it takes time to prepare Sage Mode but that is the entire point of a battle. You come prepared: period, point, blank. If Nagato would be allowed to use his Six Paths of Pain, then Naruto should be allowed to use his Sage Mode. Do you honestly think, just because one person comes to battle without something and the other does, the battle should discontinue? It does not work that way.

Paths of Pain is still different but I digress.

Even when Naruto had Sage Mode prepped to fight Pain, he couldn't have survived if not for several factors which I have mentioned several times. This is also explained in the OP.

[Kazumi Saitama]

A faint sigh escaped the lips of this crimson haired kunoichi as the lids of her blood irises slid to a close.

Quite frankly, I am tired of this debate. Shall we agree to disagree?

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kazumi Saitama

A faint sigh escaped the lips of this crimson haired kunoichi as the lids of her blood irises slid to a close.

Quite frankly, I am tired of this debate. Shall we agree to disagree?

Might as well.

[Kazumi Saitama]

Fantastic.

[Kuromaki]

I am bumping this, cause I feel like more people should see it, and I think my previous arguments were a little off.

[Kuroda Taishi]

I already knew all of this

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

I already knew all of this

Not everyone did. And some people think Naruto>the Six Paths of Pain without PNJ after reading the Naruto vs. Pain fight

[Kuroda Taishi]

Some people are very ignorant

[Empath Of Pain]

Pain is/was superior to, Madara himself. He's the most powerful in the series, hands down.

[VillarbaDye]

very well written, I have to explain to some of my friends that Pein didn't lost to Naruto and he is (or was) the strongest in the series. Well in my opinion.

[Empath Of Pain]

Exactly right. Pain still didn't lose, only his Six Paths Of Pain technique was beaten.

[Rathegon]

Pein is obivously the strongest it's no wonder he is the lead akastsky member and that paragraph is bacily it nice job sr.

[NAGATODVD]

Late but sure
after searching facts and checking battle strategy of both chars and asking a lllooooottt of people
the results ended in:
If pain had destroyed konoha, not atacked tsunade(or maybe with a missile) but fought naruto just like he did against jiraiya meanin strategy
first lots of animal summons holding the toads and animal path woulve been rendered invisible to naruto,thnks to chameleon(anime only),human path serves as phisical distractor as asura fires the crap out to naruto,naruto is fast but cant really hold it, is overwhelmed and is forced to use rasenshuriken and the preta absorbs it,katasuyu info,human path goes down by naruto rasengan or taijutsu move,deva still inactive,asura path goes behind preta for cover and fires his missiles at naruto,animal path focusses small summons on naruto while dogs take care of toads,katsuyu info,naruto distracts preta with kagebunshi8n and fires his second rasenshuriken wich finishes of preta path from dif angle.sage mode out,toad bosses find an opening and try to summon naruto bunshin but are bombarded by asura.naruto distracts asura and is summoned,sage mode entered,he aims at asura path but is stoped by the preta path that tries to suck his chakra out and fails(exactly like in anime)naruto retains sage mode and figures out naraka paths use,so moves in to dispatch it,again dodging asura misiles and bombs,naruto uses a clever clone trick to dispatch naraka and succeds,then moves in to finish useles deva path but panda summon protects him against rasenrengan,fukasaku devices the butnta mouth plan to finish animal path and finds him with shima, mouth plan gets to the point that naruto and animal path are both in buntas mouth pains rinnegan can see chakra,he sees naruto in the dark bunta gets a summon in his mouth and is hurt naruto fails that one
deva path is in use again,shinra tensei to frogs,and naruto gets katsuyu info on the 5 seconds,he tries rasenshuriken directly but its repeled, bansho tennin to katsuyu and is finished of,after a strugle with missiles so are shima and fukasaku before trying to resummon naruto,naruto is cornered by summons,and out of sage mode,and hinata rushes to save him,pain deems her weak and leaves animal path dog to fight her of,nagato shows chakra fatigue and decides to finish the job,naruto is pinned down and watches how hinata is taken down,he gets mad and six tails form,pain tries to restrain him with the summons he has left but they are all consumed and burned by narutos chakra(like orochimaru against 4 tails)dog finally defeated,nagato retreats his paths near him and uses chibaku tensei, and captures naruto,the same 6 to 8 tails minato conversation happens,and naruto is set free in sage mode due to his clone dissolving,naruto atacks animal path directly but is struck down by asuras punch,but its a clone scheme,and naruto manages to kill of animal path with rasenrengan,pain asura uses laser head beam wichslows naruto down maybe hurting him,naruto uses frs against deva believing it to be distracted(naruto didnt get the they all see what the other sees info) but its repelled again,asura covers 5 second limit everytime,pain using a combo of shinra t. And bombs manages to corner naruto,but still in sage mode naruto sacrifices final frs against deva from the front,to win his attention, and using 5 second limit tries to atack him on the back with rasengan,but asura reveals real form and blocks naruto loosing half of his body, sage mode is finished and nagato pins naruto down and knocs him down,and takes him with him nearly dying to