God doesn't exist... agree or disagree?

[Err]

Originally Posted by Shinobi killer

What do you think about it, is god really exists?!
Discuss...

Gods do not exist. I think it's wishful thinking to believe otherwise.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

Originally Posted by pery sage

I strongly believe in a G-d. This both has to do with my religious upbringing, years of studying various religions/ history/ science, and many personal experiences/ beliefs that lead me to believe in a higher power.

There are far too many unexplainable things for there to NOT be some sort of deity in my mind. For example, say the Big Bang Theory is true, and the universe was originally condensed into a single tiny speck of Supermatter. Well, why did that matter suddenly explode into our current universe? What existed before that matter? Why doesn't it exist now? Does it exist now?

For me, G-d is what cannot be explained, known, or comprehended, while at the same time existing as a collective summation of all conscious thought that has spanned eternity. I might not see G-d the same way the religious texts I read say He does, but I still believe nevertheless.

Any particular reason you copied my post word for word and added a smiley face to the end of it?

[Tarkorotsu]

My parents did not force any religion on me and let me decided my own beliefs about the creation of the Universe. I have thought for a time that god was real. Then I got into history and I started reading books about different civilizations and their religions. I then realized that god doesn't existed because we humans want answers to everything in this universe of ours. But that doesn't mean religion isn't that useless. Religion is to give false answers to people who are afraid of the after life. Without this, our world would be gone by now because most of the people on this planet are not intellgent or are very stubborn to reality. That is my opinion on the matter. If you think differently, then it is your choice about what will happen to you in your after life.

[KittyWolf]

I believe in God and that he exists. I do not think that the world just happened by some big bang and then evolution happened and now we are here today for many reasons one being that if the Universe was created randomly with no purpose than us ourselves have no purpose, but if we were created by a loving creator who has a reason for us than now we have a purpose. It is to serve and carry out the will of God.
I believe that the bible is true and I believe every single word of it.

[Manda]

Originally Posted by Kakuzu111

Yeah, all them people just made a random book (very long book) about a false God and his journeys through out his time, healing people, preaching to people, etc. otherwise known as the Bible... And some random guy just got hung on a cross and died for all of us. Yeah, it was all made up. Where do you get all this information from diffrent people of the time period?

You may take a dusty book and believe what it says, but others don't see the intelligence in doing such a thing. You do realize that the Bible has been altered many many times and is no longer, if it ever even was, a decent and credible source of facts. (Alterations include trends that occured during any certain point in time, errors in translations, and various other reasons.)

I don't mind having a nice debate about religion versus atheism, but when theists try to use their own (insert faith-based text here) and try to pass it off as credible proof of anything I start to get a tad annoyed.

[kentaru]

yes there is

Spoiler:

floating spaghetti monster

[KittyWolf]

Originally Posted by Manda

You may take a dusty book and believe what it says, but others don't see the intelligence in doing such a thing. You do realize that the Bible has been altered many many times and is no longer, if it ever even was, a decent and credible source of facts. (Alterations include trends that occured during any certain point in time, errors in translations, and various other reasons.)

I don't mind having a nice debate about religion versus atheism, but when theists try to use their own (insert faith-based text here) and try to pass it off as credible proof of anything I start to get a tad annoyed.

This is where most atheists are incorrect. When someone translates the bible they go back to the original source(The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Original Hebrew and Greek etc etc) and translate it carefully. They are not taking a translated piece and retranslating it into another language. Also, when they were making copies of the bible back when it was written, they would copy it and then have someone check over it and count every word and if it was off by just one word they would throw the WHOLE thing out. There are some bad translations(One being that Moses crossed the REED sea not the Red Sea) but as they are figuring this out they are changing it.
Some very respected Scientists and Archeologists have actually said that the Bible is the most credible and reliable source of facts of it's time. Where have you seen that it contradicts other sources of it time? Everything I've read it has not. Some people who where not Christians of the time even recorded the earthquakes and darkness that came over that area of the World when Jesus was crucified.

[Manda]

Originally Posted by KittyWolf

This is where most atheists are incorrect. When someone translates the bible they go back to the original source(The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Original Hebrew and Greek etc etc) and translate it carefully. They are not taking a translated piece and retranslating it into another language. Also, when they were making copies of the bible back when it was written, they would copy it and then have someone check over it and count every word and if it was off by just one word they would throw the WHOLE thing out. There are some bad translations(One being that Moses crossed the REED sea not the Red Sea) but as they are figuring this out they are changing it.
Some very respected Scientists and Archeologists have actually said that the Bible is the most credible and reliable source of facts of it's time. Where have you seen that it contradicts other sources of it time? Everything I've read it has not. Some people who where not Christians of the time even recorded the earthquakes and darkness that came over that area of the World when Jesus was crucified.

My point being human error. I don't care how carefully people look through the text, searching for errors. It is still not, nor is any human-written record, a good testimate to anything. Hard evidence is what proves things, not human scribble.

[TOKIE_TOKIE]

well let see i went to a christian pre-k
theree are crosses in both my grandparents house
20 people have tried to convince me

and i say no. but i do belive in life enrgy and that explains ghosts to me because the second theory of thermodynamics states that energy canno be made or destroyed.

[garra12345]

No but that's just me so if you believe in him don't listion to me.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Manda

You may take a dusty book and believe what it says, but others don't see the intelligence in doing such a thing. You do realize that the Bible has been altered many many times and is no longer, if it ever even was, a decent and credible source of facts. (Alterations include trends that occured during any certain point in time, errors in translations, and various other reasons.)

I don't mind having a nice debate about religion versus atheism, but when theists try to use their own (insert faith-based text here) and try to pass it off as credible proof of anything I start to get a tad annoyed.

What about textbooks?

Textbooks are updated pretty much every year and changes are constantly made. People read text books and they read them as gospel
if I do dare say. Very few people actually check the sources of the
text books because it's just so much easier to take the text book's
word for it. Even after checking the sources you have to check
the source of the source until you uncovered the fact yourself.
99% of what we "learn" is indoctrination. That's not to say it isn't true
but that we don't actually discover the facts present by our own means
but rather we are told that they are true and we accept that. We're
taught from the get-go that what text books say are true and what
teachers teach is true. We're taught not to question authority. Our
minds are malleable when we are young and it is easy to mold us.
Some say that religion is indoctrination. Which it is. Religion is also
taught from an early age and we are not supposed to question it then.
But for people to think that they are not subject to indoctrination
because they don't believe in religion is silly. Indoctrination isn't
necessarily an evil either. It is simply an easier way of teaching.


I have not observed God. Therefore God is not real.


A classic line. A real stumper. It stops the theist dead in his tracks.
And yet there is no real validity to this point. It neither proves or
disproves the existence of God. Is God real or fake? Such questions
are a matter of BELIEF. Meaning you choose to believe in God or
you choose not to. Since nobody has observed even 1% of all
that there is to observe nobody can actually say that they
observed everything and did not find God. You can never
be too sure of anything. Who knows. Magical ponies might
actually exist. Impossible you say? Well did you search EVERYWHERE?
Did you search Jupiter? Magical Ponies can't live there? But did you
forget that the ponies are magical? Obviously I made up the idea of
Magical Ponies on Jupiter but until you actually visit Jupiter and
observe every square inch with your own two eyes you can't
actually say it as a definite "no". (Even then our eyes can play tricks.)
Of course, you can say that the likelihood of Magical Ponies on
Jupiter is pretty slim to nil. This isn't a "you have to prove the
non-existence of an item". I'm not expecting people to instantly
believe that magical ponies live on Jupiter because they have not
actually been to Jupiter. Nor do I expect people to believe in God
because a book says so. However like I said before, 99% of what
we learn is indoctrination. We don't KNOW most of what we know but rather we BELIEVE most of what we know. Very little of what we "know"
is from actual experience. Not much is even "known" from talking to a
person with firsthand experience. Almost everything we learn is from
a secondary source. Here's how it works.

The Sun is REALLY hot.

Most would say this is fact.

However...

Have you actually been to the sun?

No?

Ok, do you know anyone who has?

No?

Ok, have YOU personally observe the sun's heat with some kind of tool?

No? But someone else did?

Ok, do you know that someone else?

No? But then perhaps you knew a colleague of theirs

You don't even know the colleague? Then how do you know?

A textbook? Based off of a source of a source of a source of a source...


I'm not actually suggesting that the sun isn't hot. It most likely is.
If the sun turns out to be luke warm and made out of cheese I will
be surprised. But knowledge of such things is simply belief.
Sure I bet there are a lot of people who used instruments to
measure the sun's heat. But there are also a lot of people who
haven't and there's a good chance you haven't either.


This isn't suppose to be some vast conspiracy theory where everything
we're taught is a lie. I don't think people need to observe everything
for themselves for them to be fairly certain of. We don't need to
stab ourselves in the knee with a steak knife to believe that would hurt.
But I don't think people need to actually observe God to believe God
exists. Just as one believes and concludes that the sun must be hot
from what they can observe and what they are taught on earth
so can one believe and conclude that based off of what they observe
and are taught on earth that they can believe and conclude that
God may actually exist. Or they can come to an conclusion God doesn't.

[RAMENKING]

Because of my life experiences it would be impossible for me to believe that God does not exist.
i have seen and experienced some supernatural S***t foreal. unexplainable by science.

[Toph]

I know that God exists. To those who don't believe Him and those who aren't sure, you really should. I hope you guys think about it. Read the christian bible, it's actually pretty good.

Originally Posted by SageoftheSixPaths

I'm not sure what this has to do with my post. I simply stated that there's no exact one way to live. In other words, there is no perfect way of life. Certain religions say otherwise, which is the "my way or the highway" mentality I thought he was conveying. Therefore, I simply replied that there is no "best" way to live, as each individual has their own needs, wants, desires, etc.

A religion may claim to be better than another way of life, but it all depends on the person within that religious groups. If one religion truly did have a better way of life, we'd all be part of the same religion. Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, and all the other world religions would cease to exist, and we'd all become part of that one main religion.

Actually, there is a perfect way of life.


I really can't explain why God exists. It just really depends on our faith. I only have a finite mind, everybody does. If you really want to know why, you'll explode! You won't be able to understand the exact explanation because God's mind is infinite.

By the way, to those who don't believe Him, why don't you give God a chance? For one year, read the CHRISTIAN BIBLE and ask God's guidance even if you don't believe in Him. Read it, understand it, and pray. After that one year, come here again and tell me that you don't believe in God.

Hahahahahahahaha! Here's another. Since God is love. And you believe in love, then there's really nothing to talk about here.

[Err]

Originally Posted by KittyWolf

This is where most atheists are incorrect. When someone translates the bible they go back to the original source(The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Original Hebrew and Greek etc etc) and translate it carefully. They are not taking a translated piece and retranslating it into another language. Also, when they were making copies of the bible back when it was written, they would copy it and then have someone check over it and count every word and if it was off by just one word they would throw the WHOLE thing out. There are some bad translations(One being that Moses crossed the REED sea not the Red Sea) but as they are figuring this out they are changing it.
Some very respected Scientists and Archeologists have actually said that the Bible is the most credible and reliable source of facts of it's time. Where have you seen that it contradicts other sources of it time? Everything I've read it has not. Some people who where not Christians of the time even recorded the earthquakes and darkness that came over that area of the World when Jesus was crucified.

Saying that the bible has some historical accuracies still does not prove God's existence or even prove miracles.

Originally Posted by Toph

Hahahahahahahaha! Here's another. Since God is love. And you believe in love, then there's really nothing to talk about here.

Then you can help your position by not talking.

[kay]

As much as idont belive in god and I really dont and never have I still have alot of respect for people that do although i think its a stupid consept I still think it takes alot of will power to be a beliver

[kay]

Originally Posted by Toph

By the way, to those who don't believe Him, why don't you give God a chance? For one year, read the CHRISTIAN BIBLE and ask God's guidance even if you don't believe in Him. Read it, understand it, and pray. After that one year, come here again and tell me that you don't believe in God.

ok this is going to creat a mess becuase most of you here are christans but why do you think the christian bible is the right one?
its originated from the jewish binle anyway

[RAMENKING]

this is how i look at it, if i were walking through a desert and found a watch on the ground i wouldn't think "hey look at this watch it evolved here" i would think "somebody obviously made this, how did it get here?". i look at people, nature and everything around me in the same way, that there is definitely with out a doubt intelligent design behind what i am looking at.

[mangagirl]

i think he does but i dont like my religon

[Err]

Originally Posted by RAMENKING

this is how i look at it, if i were walking through a desert and found a watch on the ground i wouldn't think "hey look at this watch it evolved here" i would think "somebody obviously made this, how did it get here?". i look at people, nature and everything around me in the same way, that there is definitely with out a doubt intelligent design behind what i am looking at.

Ah, the watchmaker argument. Well, if you're going that way, the same rule would apply to God. Who created God? Something had to create God.

[RAMENKING]

wrong, god is exempt from everything.