Who had it worse?

[Cyl]

Originally Posted by Cobrinha

Poor Sasuke??? Itachi had it WAY worse.

Spoiler:

He had to make the toughest decision anyone could possibly make. He had to choose between the two things he loved the most, his clan or his village.

Originally Posted by Shikamaru9

Sasuke did, but Itachi was the worst...

This has nothing to do with Itachi.
Sasuke had it worst out of the two.

[Silver Fang]

Originally Posted by Jason Uchiha

whose to say what is worse haveing your family killed by your brother or your dad comiting suicde persnaly i think they would both mess you up really badly


it would have been worse for kakshi if he had ssen his father kill himself now that would mess you up

but to answer the question i guess sasuke because itachi showed him the whole thing
when he used his tsykomui on him

Now that you bring that up, Kakashi actually did watch his father kill himself. It was stated, by Kishi, that Kakashi bore wittness to the event. Plus, he committed Seppuku, which is a ritual suicide, and I believe a family member has to wittness it, or asist in it.

[zerosameri]

Clearly Sasuke has it worse; Kakashi only lost a few people, and turned out fine.


-Sasuke lost his whole clan
-his brother killed them
-Sasuke was traumatized by the fact that his whole clan gone
-his brother tortured him and broke his arms
-been put throw hell many times
-suffered way more pain then Kakashi can even image
-All most gone blind for his life
-Had to whiteness his whole clan death
-Was torched by his only family
-Had to kill his only brother
-Has only 1 family member, and Madara use his as a play toy
-Gone mad
-Has people who wants to kill him
-Saw Itachi kill his parents when he was only 7
-Had to see his whole clan die right in front of him wail he could do nothing
-When was the most vulnerable he was used to thinking he had to kill Itachi and so on
-Gone blind for the sake of his life
-Is being used nothing but a pawn by his only Family member
-Been ‘brain washed’
-Had to see his brother death
-Has to see his brother again even though he killed him.
-Goes through another fase after seeing Itachi back

[SakuraGirl]

I say sasuke had it worse

[Zaori Momochi]

Sasuke had it 10 times worse

[Vanish]

Itachi had it the worst out of all of the Naruto characters.

But out of the two... Sasuke didn't just lose a few friends and family, he lost all of his friends and family from his best friend/brother, so he had it the worst.

Even though Kakashi eventually lost all of his friends and family in the war.... :/

[Cobrinha]

Originally Posted by kokojojo

the difference is that kakashi didnt have people trying to manipulate his mind and push him over the edge to the dark side. the fact that kakashi was promoted to jounin at such a young age shows that he was well respected throughout the village

Sasuke was only manipulated by Itachi, and it was for the purpose to make him stronger an inevitably kill him and kill the ones responsible for giving Itachi the mission; Danzo and the village elders. The fact that Sasuke has taken it to another level and thinks that everyone in Konoha is to blame is where he fails epicly. If it wasn't for that, then I'd sympathize more for Sasuke, but I guess he feels that everyone should feel as miserable as he does (kind of like Nagato). Just because Kakashi didn't have anyone trying to manipulate him doesn't mean he couldn't have gone bad.

I mean, it appears to me that the person Sasuke cares the most for is Itachi, then with that, why can't he see that Itachi didn't want Konoha destroyed and that the real threat is Madara?

[kokojojo]

i dont think itachi ever stated that he wanted sasuke to kill the elders or danzo, he only wanted sasuke to kill him. now i dont read the manga so i don't know how much more twisted he has become, but the fact still remains that without orochimaru coming after him or itachi's brief visit to konoha, sasuke most likely never would have left konoha. if there were outside influences working upon kakashi, who knows how he would have turned out.

the way i see it, sasuke is baffled and frustrated that his brother died to protect a village that detests him and he's lashing out at them. look at it like this. alot of people hate sasuke for the fact that naruto cares so much about him and yet sasuke would kill him without hesitation. well, sasuke hates konoha for the fact that itachi loved that village so much and yet he is loathed by the village

[e710]

kakshi had it worse his whole freaking team died plus he saw his father killing himself.
plus everytime he uses the sharingan he probably dies a little cuz will it does hurt him but he remembers the sad moment when his comrad died. plus how do you think kakshi feels about being the former teacher of one of the strongest rouge ninjas.

[toad]

i say sasuke becuase it was kakashis friend and his dad that died his friend dided from a stranger and dad killed himself sasuke had his whole family killed not just 2 people close to him and not just killed by a stranger but his older brother whom he was close to

[Cobrinha]

Originally Posted by kokojojo

i dont think itachi ever stated that he wanted sasuke to kill the elders or danzo, he only wanted sasuke to kill him. now i dont read the manga so i don't know how much more twisted he has become, but the fact still remains that without orochimaru coming after him or itachi's brief visit to konoha, sasuke most likely never would have left konoha. if there were outside influences working upon kakashi, who knows how he would have turned out.

the way i see it, sasuke is baffled and frustrated that his brother died to protect a village that detests him and he's lashing out at them. look at it like this. alot of people hate sasuke for the fact that naruto cares so much about him and yet sasuke would kill him without hesitation. well, sasuke hates konoha for the fact that itachi loved that village so much and yet he is loathed by the village

Well Orochimaru never came after Sasuke. He just ran into team 7 at the Chunin exams at wanted Sasuke's power for himself and put a curse mark on him. The whole thing was that Orochimaru stated that Sasuke would come to him on his own free will (he said this to Kakashi when he was healing Sasuke) which Sasuke did leave on his own because he realized he wasn't getting strong enough at a quick enough pace.

The reason Itachi returned to Konoha was because the Third Hokage was the only thing protecting Sasuke from Danzo and the Third was now dead. So Itachi returned to make kind of a statement to Danzo warning him. It just so happened that he could use capturing Naruto as an excuse. Sasuke was still going to leave the village in search of power even without Orochimaru, his only goal was to kill Itachi and there was no chance he could do so if he stayed.

Sasuke has no excuse to be 'baffled' as to why the villagers detest Itachi, other then sheer stupidity. He knows that the villagers know nothing about what happened and why. If anything he should be glad that the rest of the village cared for and respected the rest of his clan the way they did. To them Itachi is just a sadist that slaughtered select members of their village. Rather then destroy Konoha, he Should try to enlighten them. Otherwise, the village will just go on thinking that Itachi is a heartless murderer and Sasuke is just following in his footsteps.

[mix787]

I think itachi had it worse. Choosing between two thing's he loved most is pretty difficult. Im not saying that it was easy for the others but i think itachi had it the worse.

[Gimit23]

Originally Posted by e710

kakshi had it worse his whole freaking team died plus he saw his father killing himself.
plus everytime he uses the sharingan he probably dies a little cuz will it does hurt him but he remembers the sad moment when his comrad died. plus how do you think kakshi feels about being the former teacher of one of the strongest rouge ninjas.

Totally agree, Sasuke only had his whole entire family die......

[trouble88]

sasuke all because his brother kill their clan

[Zaori Momochi]

Originally Posted by e710

kakshi had it worse his whole freaking team died plus he saw his father killing himself.
plus everytime he uses the sharingan he probably dies a little cuz will it does hurt him but he remembers the sad moment when his comrad died. plus how do you think kakshi feels about being the former teacher of one of the strongest rouge ninjas.

Sasuke saw his whole clan murdered in the streets. That is way worse than 3 people.

[Yemen Satoshi]

Well, it would all depend on what part of their 13th year we're talking about. If, on Sasuke's part, when he TURNED 13, then maybe Kakashi. After all, his father (to his knowledge) had "betrayed" the village, and then abruptly committed suicide. AND he had the same love triangle going on that goes on in Team 7. He's also annoyed by Obito, and doesn't have really any feelings for Rin (the same as Sasuke). But, Sasuke has no living relatives at this point besides his "murderous" brother Itachi (as far as he knows...). And, on top of that, he is an emo kid that has a weird obsession with beating everybody to kill his brother. If this is before the start of the Chuunin exams, I would have to say Kakashi.

[Jason Uchiha]

Originally Posted by Silver Fang

Now that you bring that up, Kakashi actually did watch his father kill himself. It was stated, by Kishi, that Kakashi bore wittness to the event. Plus, he committed Seppuku, which is a ritual suicide, and I believe a family member has to wittness it, or asist in it.

now if kaakshi had to asist in it that would have resly messed him up

[kokojojo]

Originally Posted by Cobrinha

Well Orochimaru never came after Sasuke. He just ran into team 7 at the Chunin exams at wanted Sasuke's power for himself and put a curse mark on him. The whole thing was that Orochimaru stated that Sasuke would come to him on his own free will (he said this to Kakashi when he was healing Sasuke) which Sasuke did leave on his own because he realized he wasn't getting strong enough at a quick enough pace.

Orochimaru did want Sasuke's power from the start, it's the whole reason he came to the exams. he couldn't get Itachi's Sharingan and he knew Itachi had a brother so he went after Sasuke. You really think Orochimaru just decided to randomly come to the Chuunin exams and just randomly chose Sasuke? Orochimare manipulated Sasuke by giving him the curse mark, thus increasing his lust for power and promising him even more power if he went to him.

The reason Itachi returned to Konoha was because the Third Hokage was the only thing protecting Sasuke from Danzo and the Third was now dead. So Itachi returned to make kind of a statement to Danzo warning him. It just so happened that he could use capturing Naruto as an excuse. Sasuke was still going to leave the village in search of power even without Orochimaru, his only goal was to kill Itachi and there was no chance he could do so if he stayed.

I know why Itachi came to Konoha, but my point was that when Itachi came he whooped Sasuke bad and then used Tsukiyomi to make him relive the night everyone was massacred. Upon going through that trauma all over again, realizing that his strength to Itachi's was still nothing, and being confronted soon afterward by the Sound 5 about Orochimaru's promise of power, he was then pushed to leave Konoha.

Sasuke has no excuse to be 'baffled' as to why the villagers detest Itachi, other then sheer stupidity. He knows that the villagers know nothing about what happened and why. If anything he should be glad that the rest of the village cared for and respected the rest of his clan the way they did. To them Itachi is just a sadist that slaughtered select members of their village. Rather then destroy Konoha, he Should try to enlighten them. Otherwise, the village will just go on thinking that Itachi is a heartless murderer and Sasuke is just following in his footsteps.

How could Sasuke explain anything to them when he's a missing-nin? He's been in Konoha's Bingo Book since he left Konoha, they'd just think he was telling lies to protect himself. Wouldn't that frustrate you if you were in his shoes? This doesn't justify his actions, but after everything he's been through I wouldn't say it makes him a baby, and I fail to see how Kakashi's life has been worse than this.

[Cobrinha]

Originally Posted by kokojojo

Orochimaru did want Sasuke's power from the start, it's the whole reason he came to the exams. he couldn't get Itachi's Sharingan and he knew Itachi had a brother so he went after Sasuke. You really think Orochimaru just decided to randomly come to the Chuunin exams and just randomly chose Sasuke? Orochimare manipulated Sasuke by giving him the curse mark, thus increasing his lust for power and promising him even more power if he went to him.

I know why Itachi came to Konoha, but my point was that when Itachi came he whooped Sasuke bad and then used Tsukiyomi to make him relive the night everyone was massacred. Upon going through that trauma all over again, realizing that his strength to Itachi's was still nothing, and being confronted soon afterward by the Sound 5 about Orochimaru's promise of power, he was then pushed to leave Konoha.


How could Sasuke explain anything to them when he's a missing-nin? He's been in Konoha's Bingo Book since he left Konoha, they'd just think he was telling lies to protect himself. Wouldn't that frustrate you if you were in his shoes? This doesn't justify his actions, but after everything he's been through I wouldn't say it makes him a baby, and I fail to see how Kakashi's life has been worse than this.

Orochimaru didn't just randomly come to the chunin exams. He was planning to destroy Konoha and saw it as an opportunity to do so. The only people he manipulated were the Sand Ninja by posing as the Kazekage. I don't think he was looking for Sasuke, but after the fight with squad 7 realized another opportunity was right in front of him. The curse mark didn't increase Sasuke's lust for power, he's always had that. Orochimaru just needed to give him the curse mark because without it he wouldn't be able to take over Sasuke's body.

Itachi was still playing the role of bad guy, he couldn't take it easy on anyone. He had to act as if he would kill Sasuke while showing him that he still wasn't strong enough. The sound ninja did confront him, but they didn't force anything on him. Sasuke knew what he was doing and knew he had the choice to stay. He just knew how powerful Orochimaru was and that he could benifit greatly from that power.

Sasuke hasn't been in Konoha's bingo book since he left. It wasn't until just recently that he was labeled as a criminal and everyone decided to kill him. Up until the fight with Killer Bee, they were still trying to bring him back to Konoha. Although now it would be too late and would sound like just an excuse, but right after he learned the truth instead of joining Madara, he should have exposed everything for what it really was. I don't really think what happened to Kakashi was worse either, it's impossible to compare two different tragedies like those. However Kakashi sucked it up, and the only person he blamed was his father (at the time when he thought his father was wrong). Sasuke on the other hand, is being a baby. He knows exactly who did what, who's to blame and who knew the truth. Is that good enough for him? No. Instead of going after those responsible, he thinks the world is to blame and if he sees another person smiling, he thinks they're laughing at Itachi and decides the must die. I just refuse to sympathize for Sasuke, he claims to be doing this for Itachi, but it's the exact opposite of what Itachi wanted.

[toad]

if somereason were including itachi in it too i say he had it worse becuase he didnt see his cllan die he had to kill them without it being his choice