NEW Naruto Power List

[Yuuta]

Well he seems to be able to activate the jutsu when he's about to be hit, when he's not prepared for it he can't - Example when Karin kicked the door down on him. I know Hydration never allows for a complete transformation into water, but I'm sure his feet or something would still be formed when the explosion happens, since all that hit Hidan was on his side.

In other news...
Yamato cannot beat Konan, no way. None of his restrictive wood style attacks work on her, as she splits into paper and splits through the cracks. He was little to no chance against her.

And Danzo has about 1 move. He hasn't shown the skill to be able to take on Konan.

[icy-j]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Couldn't Kisame just absorb the chakra out of Ammy and Susano'o, and heal from Ammy. I doubt they have 6 tails worth of chakra.

Yeah but the attacks hit and Kisame survived.

I already countered these several times in this thread alone, not to mention the other threads over these fights. Absorb Ammy? How when in the manga it was stated it couldn't be put out. I don't even think Amaterusu needs chakra to burn, so I don't know what you are talking about. I am pretty sure the only chakra needed for it is to use it initially, after that it is just black flames that can't be put out. Heal through Amaterusu? When it can't be put out? enough said there.

Once again I don't get how you guys overrate Samehada, so much. Being able to fully absorb 2 spirit weapons and Susano'o after one attack? Really I mean if Samehada is this powerful go ahead and put Kisame as the top of the list. Seriously the more I debate this fight the more I am starting to see overrating and how much Itachi or Sasuke would win this fight without much difficulty.

Once again, repeating myself Kisame absorbed KB's chakra over 3-5 chapters not after one attack. Susano'o would be one attack, and Kisame gets sealed, I mean really I don't know if you just hate Itachi and Sasuke or what, but this fight is pretty cut and dry.

Like I said, by how much you are overrating Kisame's absorbing and healing ability, then put him at the top of the list. He should be able to fully absorb each of pein's bodys with one attack, if according to you he can fully absorb 2 spirit weapons and Susano'o in one attack. If he can heal while Amaterusu is burning his body, even though Raikage couldn't even stand up against it with Raiton Armor, he should be able to heal through any damage. (This is how you are overrating Kisame, see my points, I'll let you counter before I state more fights that Kisame can win with this overrating. )

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Yuuta

Well he seems to be able to activate the jutsu when he's about to be hit, when he's not prepared for it he can't - Example when Karin kicked the door down on him. I know Hydration never allows for a complete transformation into water, but I'm sure his feet or something would still be formed when the explosion happens, since all that hit Hidan was on his side.

In other news...
Yamato cannot beat Konan, no way. None of his restrictive wood style attacks work on her, as she splits into paper and splits through the cracks. He was little to no chance against her.

And Danzo has about 1 move. He hasn't shown the skill to be able to take on Konan.

His feet? Maybe, but how does the water from him put out most of that explosion?

I'll move Konan up but I may have to move her back down after this Danzo business.

Originally Posted by icy-j

I already countered these several times in this thread alone, not to mention the other threads over these fights. Absorb Ammy? How when in the manga it was stated it couldn't be put out. I don't even think Amaterusu needs chakra to burn, so I don't know what you are talking about. I am pretty sure the only chakra needed for it is to use it initially, after that it is just black flames that can't be put out. Heal through Amaterusu? When it can't be put out? enough said there.

Once again I don't get how you guys overrate Samehada, so much. Being able to fully absorb 2 spirit weapons and Susano'o after one attack? Really I mean if Samehada is this powerful go ahead and put Kisame as the top of the list. Seriously the more I debate this fight the more I am starting to see overrating and how much Itachi or Sasuke would win this fight without much difficulty.

Once again, repeating myself Kisame absorbed KB's chakra over 3-5 chapters not after one attack. Susano'o would be one attack, and Kisame gets sealed, I mean really I don't know if you just hate Itachi and Sasuke or what, but this fight is pretty cut and dry.

Like I said, by how much you are overrating Kisame's absorbing and healing ability, then put him at the top of the list. He should be able to fully absorb each of pein's bodys with one attack, if according to you he can fully absorb 2 spirit weapons and Susano'o in one attack. If he can heal while Amaterusu is burning his body, even though Raikage couldn't even stand up against it with Raiton Armor, he should be able to heal through any damage. (This is how you are overrating Kisame, see my points, I'll let you counter before I state more fights that Kisame can win with this overrating. )

I did say that Itachi can beat Kisame but not Sasuke. Kisame tanked a 7 Tailed Lariat and healed from it so he could take a lot of damage from them. Chidori Stream should hurt Sasuke too and he won't use something like Ammy first. With Susano'o, most of it should be absorbed, but if Kisame can't then he can dodge the sword, he kept up with KB, who's fast enough to avoid it.

About Pain, he'll have to get a hold of the bodies to actually absorb their chakra like everyone else, he can't do that if he's being Shinra Tensei'd or Bansho Tenin'd.

Still can't move them up though since it's arguable that Sasori, KB, and Raikage>Itachi and Sasuke and Kisame happens to be>Sasori, KB, and Raikage.

Edit: Used Raikage and Mizukage's real names.

[Yuuta]

Not put it all out, but diffuse it when it hits him, that's all he really needs.

Thank you, and that's very true - but I'd say its more of moving Danzo up. Probably quite a bit.

I really think Konan needs to be in area ranging from Under Gaara with Shukaku to Under Mei.
Jugo CMS2 has shown a way to repel her paper from a circular radius and in front of him. It's also very possible for the paper to just dodge, it moved very fast. Nothing's stopping him from just being blanketed again. And the tendrils that fired the cannon retreated after 1 use. He'd be overwhelmed and suffocated.
Rock Lee 5G can batter her paper, but still has no real way to hurt her. It's such a strain on him the paper would undoubtdly catch him.
Same real issue with Might Guy. No way to hurt her. If that's base, he can't even use his Morning Peacock, and even that will only batter a few pieces of paper.

With Mei is where the real debates start. (I've just realized this is the block of only powerful kunoichi in the series, there are none afterward. )
Mei could undoubtedly melt Konan's paper, and her lava could burn her paper, but from the way she fought Zetsu, she really doesn't have a way to resist being blanketed if Konan's paper comes from all sides. Konan would most likely win with a spear before too much of her paper is destroyed. Then she'd most likely have to fly out of range and shed the paper that's melting.

With Tsunade, she's completely taijutsu and doesn't really have a way to hurt Konan. She can use her regeneration to overrule being stabbed by Konan's weapons, but she can't keep it up very long. Katsuyu's splitting is not very effective against a flying enemy, and her acid is avoided rather easily. Also, Konan's paper spears may very well force Katsuyu to retreat.

And now it gets even harder.

From the way Konan starts off battles, Chiyo wouldn't have a way to hurt her with. Her Mother and Father puppets would be weighed down and destroyed. The ten puppets are where the problems start. Konan could take out the completely taijutsu ones easily. The suction ones would most likely not be able catch all of her paper, or she could avoid them with a paper sub/clone and bomb them from above to stop the jutsu. Also, the seal would stop 1+ pieces of paper if Chiyo was lucky, but other than that it's pretty ineffective. After that, nothing stops Chiyo from being blanketed, suffocated, or stabbed.

I also don't think Kakashi can beat Konan. He can't use fire jutsu in the manga. His lightning jutsu may cut a few pieces of paper, but generally is a waste of chakra against Konan. Water style jutsu doesn't seem to affect Konan negatively. Earth style really has no effect on Konan, who flies. Kamui could warp a few pieces of paper, and once again is generally a waste of chakra against Konan. His sharingan can't read paper, since it has no muscles. He may be able to evade Konan for awhile, but his lack of stamina really gives him little to no way to combat Konan effectively. He would most likely be partially blanketed and stabbed.

I don't think Konan could beat Gaara. Or atleast not easily - She may if he gets careless like in the Deidara fight or the Kimimaro fights and gives her an opening, but other than that, I don't think so. Also, Gaara's feats are generally equal to hers - covering a whole village. So, I think they're about on the same level, so I think she should be under him, I'll stop here.

I think Onoki should be moved down, I don't think he holds anything against Tsunade or Might Guy. Until he gets some more feats, at least.

I also really think Shizune (and possibly Anko) needs to be moved up quite a bit. She's about on Inoichi's level, and he's pretty high considering his lack of jutsu.

And it appears that the Raikage's name is just Ē.

[icy-j]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

I did say that Itachi can beat Kisame but not Sasuke. Kisame tanked a 7 Tailed Lariat and healed from it so he could take a lot of damage from them. Chidori Stream should hurt Sasuke too and he won't use something like Ammy first. With Susano'o, most of it should be absorbed, but if Kisame can't then he can dodge the sword, he kept up with KB, who's fast enough to avoid it.Why not Sasuke? Not only does he have Tsukoyumi, Amaterusu with better control, and Susano'o, but he has the lightning advantage over water. Chidori Stream hurting him, I guess you missed the times he used chidori on himself or when he used Kirin showing how well he can manipulate lightning. Should have a greater effect on Kisame. I still can't believe you actually think Kisame can absorb Susano'o, so funny. Dodge it, did you not see how fast it hit Oro, and not only that Kisame doesn't even know what Susano'o can do. Another thing is Kisame would be either fighting with his eyes closed or trying to avoid eye contact, both making him less likely to avoid it. He kept up with KB lol. Let me correct that statement. It was in the bubble, KB was running away trying to find a way to get his friends out. KB attacked like three times in during the fight that took 5 chapters, I swear this fight is being overrated so much. It wasn't even a clear 1v1, where KB could actually focus on fighting back. Once Kisame got out of the bubble, he was easily speedblitzed showing he can't keep up with KB. How does Kisame even hit Sasuke? His Amaterusu shield not only would kill Kisame, but Kisame can't get past it to absorb anything, not to mention Sharingan to help him dodge most of his attacks also. Sasuke is even a worse matchup for Kisame then Itachi is.

About Pain, he'll have to get a hold of the bodies to actually absorb their chakra like everyone else, he can't do that if he's being Shinra Tensei'd or Bansho Tenin'd. Well according to you he should be able to constantly heal himself if he keeps getting shinra tensei'd or bansho tenin'd. Also by how you are overrating his absorbing ability can't he just absorb them in an instant, and since you think he can match KB's speed then he should be faster then Pein's bodys, and also he is able to absorb Susano'o in one attack (according to you) which is pretty bad, but anyways, then he should only need to get one attack in to absorb a body completely. Another fight shouldn't you put Kisame above nine-tails also. I mean according to you he can absorb 6-8 tails of chakra in one attack. He can also heal himself constantly also, so.....

Still can't move them up though since it's arguable that Sasori, KB, and Raikage>Itachi and Sasuke and Kisame happens to be>Sasori, KB, and Raikage. I still don't see how Kisame gets put above Itachi and Sasuke when he can't get past them. I mean look at what Yuuta is doing for Konan he has to debate every fight above her to move her up. When Kisame gets put above 2 people he can't get past. Dang, I wish KB and Kisame could of just had a real fight, not this dang running away trying to save his friends while he loses chakra , not even being able to fully go into his transformation.

Edit: Used Raikage and Mizukage's real names.

Green.

[LilHinataGirl]

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf

Because Hinata is on the lowest level.

actually she hasd the 2nd stage byakugan n her dad dosent so actually she is stronger than she looks -_-

[Lone Wolf]

Originally Posted by LilHinataGirl

actually she hasd the 2nd stage byakugan n her dad dosent so actually she is stronger than she looks -_-

Tell me the chapter where she uses Second Stage Byakugan before I laugh myself to death.

[ThePurpleChidori]

Why is Konohamaru at the lowest level? He got advanced Rasengan... Blah blah blah. You should seriously know that. He took on a Pain, which most of the characters in that tier couldn't have done.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by icy-j

Green.

Of course, since Oro was not only caught off guard but his hydra thing also made him easy to see.

If Sasuke pulls off a Tsukuyomi first then yea he should win, but he doesn't show genjutsu first iirc. By 6 tails of chakra I mean six tails of that jinchuriki transformation. Either way Kyubi is too big for Kisame and he could destroy mountains with his tail, so you are really exaggerating my so called overrating of Kisame here.

If KB could've beaten Kisame in the bubble then what could he have done? Touching Kisamehada means that his chakra gets absorbed. In character KB won't start off with the entire Hachibi transformation in the beginning.

Moving Kisame down would be moving him down below the characters he can beat but Itachi and Sasuke can't, thats what there is to it.

BUT I will move Kisame down this time and see what counters come up.

Originally Posted by ThePurpleChidori

Why is Konohamaru at the lowest level? He got advanced Rasengan... Blah blah blah. You should seriously know that. He took on a Pain, which most of the characters in that tier couldn't have done.

Ooh a Pain, the weakest one. And Konohamaru's Rasengan kinda sucks so...

Originally Posted by Yuuta

Not put it all out, but diffuse it when it hits him, that's all he really needs.

Thank you, and that's very true - but I'd say its more of moving Danzo up. Probably quite a bit.

I really think Konan needs to be in area ranging from Under Gaara with Shukaku to Under Mei.
Jugo CMS2 has shown a way to repel her paper from a circular radius and in front of him. It's also very possible for the paper to just dodge, it moved very fast. Nothing's stopping him from just being blanketed again. And the tendrils that fired the cannon retreated after 1 use. He'd be overwhelmed and suffocated.

Hold on there, how does Konan survive the cannons?

Edit: Oh. I see, Yeah that's what Raikage's name is.

[Yuuta]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Hold on there, how does Konan survive the cannons?

Edit: Oh. I see, Yeah that's what Raikage's name is.

How does she get hit with them is a better question, she's a swarm. They'll repel the paper around him in his circular radius, and most likely destroy the ones in front of him, but she's all around him as a swarm, and could scatter her paper as well.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Yuuta

How does she get hit with them is a better question, she's a swarm. They'll repel the paper around him in his circular radius, and most likely destroy the ones in front of him, but she's all around him as a swarm, and could scatter her paper as well.

How does she dodge them is an even better question.

[Yuuta]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

How does she dodge them is an even better question.

How does she get hit by them?
They fire in a line straight in front of Jugo.
Konan is a swarm of paper all around him.
A swarm capable of moving very quickly.

[ThePurpleChidori]

I want to debate in this debate, but I don't wanna go back and read the beginning question. so, good luck.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Yuuta

How does she get hit by them?
They fire in a line straight in front of Jugo.
Konan is a swarm of paper all around him.
A swarm capable of moving very quickly.

It was a large blast in front of Jugo, it should be able to decimate most of her paper mainly if she's in front of him.

[Kisame]

About the Konohmru beating Pain, if you get the manga irl, you can see the picture much better and it's easier to see when Naraka Pain was summoned back he was still standing up fine, Konohamaru ruined his cloak and pushed him back, that was basically it.

Edit: Oh yeah about Kisame, he should be able to beat Sasuke and Sasori, Itachi is a too out, but icy-j agreed last time Kisame could win at least 4/10 times, once he gets Sasuke in the bubble, Amterasu won't be too effective and he can do what Raikage did, he's potentially immune to genjutsu, I'd say yes since Samehada is an intelligent enough creature, Susano'o isn't very offensive in Sasuke's case and a short while takes a load from him, plus lighting moves can electrocute him since he's in the water as well.

For the arguments for Sasori and Itachi you can see the Akatsuki tier list.

[Konoha'sGreenThunder]

Does anyone else think Tobirama should be under Legendary? He can perform the jutsu that requires the most handsigns (44) with only one, and he didn't need a body of water to do so.

He's known as the greatest user of the water style that ever existed. That sounds Legendary to me. Also, Naruto has stated at some point (maybe in an omake?) that Tobirama has the best combat ability. Even though it's Naruto and he exaggerates sometimes..

True, we haven't seen much of his combat to go on, but I think we have enough evidence to wager how strong he is.

Or, maybe I'm stupid, eh?

[Yuuta]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

It was a large blast in front of Jugo, it should be able to decimate most of her paper mainly if she's in front of him.

It takes longer for the cannons to charge than it does for Konan's swarm to overwhelm someone. He paper will most likely be all around him when he fires the cannons, repelling those around him and destroying the ones directly in front of him, but nothing's stopping him from being blanketed again. The tendrils retreat quickly as well. Also, again, we have Konan's paper regen speed.
And when you really look at it...It wasn't that large of a blast. I has range, but it was very conentrated.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by Kisame

About the Konohmru beating Pain, if you get the manga irl, you can see the picture much better and it's easier to see when Naraka Pain was summoned back he was still standing up fine, Konohamaru ruined his cloak and pushed him back, that was basically it.

Edit: Oh yeah about Kisame, he should be able to beat Sasuke and Sasori, Itachi is a too out, but icy-j agreed last time Kisame could win at least 4/10 times, once he gets Sasuke in the bubble, Amterasu won't be too effective and he can do what Raikage did, he's potentially immune to genjutsu, I'd say yes since Samehada is an intelligent enough creature, Susano'o isn't very offensive in Sasuke's case and a short while takes a load from him, plus lighting moves can electrocute him since he's in the water as well.

For the arguments for Sasori and Itachi you can see the Akatsuki tier list.

I think Kisame>Sasori at this point but Ammy was burning just fine through the rain, so it's not hampered as much by water. Kisame also has a low genjutsu stat in the databooks so if he gets in Tsukuyomi there's nothing he can really do about it, though it's quite possible that Samehada can dispel the weaker genjutsu.

Originally Posted by Konoha'sGreenThunder

Does anyone else think Tobirama should be under Legendary? He can perform the jutsu that requires the most handsigns (44) with only one, and he didn't need a body of water to do so.

He's known as the greatest user of the water style that ever existed. That sounds Legendary to me. Also, Naruto has stated at some point (maybe in an omake?) that Tobirama has the best combat ability. Even though it's Naruto and he exaggerates sometimes..

True, we haven't seen much of his combat to go on, but I think we have enough evidence to wager how strong he is.

Or, maybe I'm stupid, eh?

Youre not stupid, Tobirama does have good Taijutsu and water jutsu but in short he lacks feats that can put him higher, he only has one canon jutsu.

He could possibly beat Gaara though since his water can wet his sand but Gaara at this point has shown fast sand.

Originally Posted by Yuuta

It takes longer for the cannons to charge than it does for Konan's swarm to overwhelm someone. He paper will most likely be all around him when he fires the cannons, repelling those around him and destroying the ones directly in front of him, but nothing's stopping him from being blanketed again. The tendrils retreat quickly as well. Also, again, we have Konan's paper regen speed.
And when you really look at it...It wasn't that large of a blast. I has range, but it was very conentrated.

I saw, it made a sort of small explosion around him as well (T think) so it shouldn't be a problem taking care of paper attacking him from behind, and his jet booster jutsu could take care of that too if the other method doesn't work.

[Yuuta]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

I saw, it made a sort of small explosion around him as well (T think) so it shouldn't be a problem taking care of paper attacking him from behind, and his jet booster jutsu could take care of that too if the other method doesn't work.

I know that, that's why I've been saying it would repel the paper he's already been blanketed with all this time...
But the circular radius, nor the cannon, takes care of Konan's volume, she's all around him.
Err...What? His Jet boosters are used for jumping...And punching...Both of which do nothing to Konan...

[Yuuta]

Oh, and let me just complement you on taking on so many debates at once, haha.