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Old 11-27-2009, 08:08 PM   #121
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Right, he hasn't shown one though, if I'm not mistaken.

Samehada>Zabuza Sword. The wind blades can extend, and give Asuma the advantage in close range, even with Suigetsu's watery form.
Err...Shown what?

I don't think Suigetsu will have the advantage even with two long blades, Suigetsu's quick, strong, and his hydration jutsu makes him able to fight through getting hit by Asuma's attacks. Also, his water arm allows him to swing faster and more powerfully that he can probably overcome Asuma.
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Who are the 2 people who downrepped me? Im not following JUST Kisame and Rocklee, I also moved Kakuzu up, and moved some others up/down after looking at the arguments from other users. You mad because I moved Hidan below Asuma or something? And the one who said "About time this happened" what are you talking about?

If you're gonna downrep me on a list I spent at least half an hour on, why don't you come out and say it? Im not the vengeful type when it comes to rep, I just wanna know.

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Err...Shown what?

I don't think Suigetsu will have the advantage even with two long blades, Suigetsu's quick, strong, and his hydration jutsu makes him able to fight through getting hit by Asuma's attacks. Also, his water arm allows him to swing faster and more powerfully that he can probably overcome Asuma.
Im sorry, Yuuta. I'll counter your argument later, for now I'll move Asuma back where he was originally.
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I personally believe Mizukage should be above Chiyo since she would probably be able to melt the puppets.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #124
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I personally believe Mizukage should be above Chiyo since she would probably be able to melt the puppets.
I second this.
Also by hype and abilities all around.

Although Mizukage hasn't shown other feats yet so she is mostly featless.
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So should I move Tsunade above Chiyo? I think Chiyo could beat Tsunade, and Tsunade can beat Mizukage, from feats.

Hype gives it to Mizukage but feats give it to Chiyo and Tsunade.
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So should I move Tsunade above Chiyo? I think Chiyo could beat Tsunade, and Tsunade can beat Mizukage, from feats.

Hype gives it to Mizukage but feats give it to Chiyo and Tsunade.
The problem with Tsunade is that she is pure close range mostly.

Mizukage has an advantage over Tsunade though
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Mizukage's jutsu works best mid-long range. But short range, Tsunade can probably heal then punch her.

And couldn't Chiyo use the vacuum for the mist temporarily? I don't think Mizukage can avoid that many puppets at once.
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Mizukage's jutsu works best mid-long range. But short range, Tsunade can probably heal then punch her.

And couldn't Chiyo use the vacuum for the mist temporarily? I don't think Mizukage can avoid that many puppets at once.
Range being th issue.

Mizukage has the advantage.

Well Mizukage is still mostly featless although I have few ideas how she might.
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I still don't see how Kisame gets past Sasuke and Itachi. Both have Tsukuyomi, and Kisame would have to have his eyes closed the whole fight just to avoid that. Giving plenty of openings for an Amatersu to hit, since he can't even see it coming. Doubt he could dodge their Susano'o with his eyes closed also.

Sasuke can also counter pretty much every water jutsu due to his lightning. They both have shown better speed feats then Kisame other then in water. Itachi can get out of his bubble with some shadow clones and just send them in different directions, similiar to how KB got his friends out. Sasuke could use his chidori current. Once again I don't even think they would need to leave the bubble to win this. How does Kisame even see Amatersu about to hit him?

How can Kisame even beat them? Sharingan helps them dodge just about every attack attempt from a blind Kisame. Sasuke has his Amatersu shield. They both can summon Susano'o like I said to kill Kisame, if it gets into a Tai fight. Kisame has never seen it, he is blind, right infront of them, I doubt he could dodge an attack or fully absorb Susano'o after one attack.
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I still don't see how Kisame gets past Sasuke and Itachi. Both have Tsukuyomi, and Kisame would have to have his eyes closed the whole fight just to avoid that. Giving plenty of openings for an Amatersu to hit, since he can't even see it coming. Doubt he could dodge their Susano'o with his eyes closed also.

Sasuke can also counter pretty much every water jutsu due to his lightning. They both have shown better speed feats then Kisame other then in water. Itachi can get out of his bubble with some shadow clones and just send them in different directions, similiar to how KB got his friends out. Sasuke could use his chidori current. Once again I don't even think they would need to leave the bubble to win this. How does Kisame even see Amatersu about to hit him?

How can Kisame even beat them? Sharingan helps them dodge just about every attack attempt from a blind Kisame. Sasuke has his Amatersu shield. They both can summon Susano'o like I said to kill Kisame, if it gets into a Tai fight. Kisame has never seen it, he is blind, right infront of them, I doubt he could dodge an attack or fully absorb Susano'o after one attack.
Nobody does that in Naruto. Not even Gai. Even genjutsu specialists like Shi who was wary of sharingan didn't either.
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Nobody does that in Naruto. Not even Gai. Even genjutsu specialists like Shi who was wary of sharingan didn't either.
Then Tsukuyomi wins. I am just saying that is debate that people use to counter it.
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Then Tsukuyomi wins. I am just saying that is debate that people use to counter it.
Yeah in a debate setting it is legit to discuss such possibilities but closing the eyes is not done.

Kisame is more likely try to avoid eye contact not close his eyes.
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Yeah in a debate setting it is legit to discuss such possibilities but closing the eyes is not done.

Kisame is more likely try to avoid eye contact not close his eyes.
Trying to fight by avoiding eye contact. Then he wouldn't even be able to see what Itachi is doing. Never has been stated he trained at watching the feet, like Gai. Itachi can catch him in a finger gen then. Yes, his Samehada can get him out, but it would buy Itachi some time to get out of the bubble, or get off Tsukuyomi, an Amatersu. Don't give me biyuu are immune, when Itachi has proven to be able to catch Naruto.
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Trying to fight by avoiding eye contact. Then he wouldn't even be able to see what Itachi is doing. Never has been stated he trained at watching the feet, like Gai. Itachi can catch him in a finger gen then. Yes, his Samehada can get him out, but it would buy Itachi some time to get out of the bubble, or get off Tsukuyomi, an Amatersu. Don't give me biyuu are immune, when Itachi has proven to be able to catch Naruto.
Yes he would at least somewhat because he still can see

Naruto never trained with his tailed beast on genjutsu breaking.
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Yes he would at least somewhat because he still can see

Naruto never trained with his tailed beast on genjutsu breaking.
Counter the first in the previous post of mine. Kisame doesn't even have a tailed beast. I was just talking about biyuu chakra amount.
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Counter the first in the previous post of mine. Kisame doesn't even have a tailed beast. I was just talking about biyuu chakra amount.

If Kisame attempts no eye contact much as possible he still can see other movements but of course he is not really suited to that.

Oh you meant that? Well of course not.
The only way Kisame breaking genjtusu within possibility is the whole samehada factor. Chakra amount didn't make a difference.
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If Kisame attempts no eye contact much as possible he still can see other movements but of course he is not really suited to that.

Oh you meant that? Well of course not.
The only way Kisame breaking genjtusu within possibility is the whole samehada factor. Chakra amount didn't make a difference.
Yep, I was just stating that, because people believe biyuu level chakra ninja are immune to every gen except Tsukuyomi. When actually several people have proven Naruto with biyuu level chakra can get caught in simple gen.
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Yep, I was just stating that, because people believe biyuu level chakra ninja are immune to every gen except Tsukuyomi. When actually several people have proven Naruto with biyuu level chakra can get caught in simple gen.
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Who are the 2 people who downrepped me? Im not following JUST Kisame and Rocklee, I also moved Kakuzu up, and moved some others up/down after looking at the arguments from other users. You mad because I moved Hidan below Asuma or something? And the one who said "About time this happened" what are you talking about?

If you're gonna downrep me on a list I spent at least half an hour on, why don't you come out and say it? Im not the vengeful type when it comes to rep, I just wanna know.

Im sorry, Yuuta. I'll counter your argument later, for now I'll move Asuma back where he was originally.
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I still don't see how Kisame gets past Sasuke and Itachi. Both have Tsukuyomi, and Kisame would have to have his eyes closed the whole fight just to avoid that. Giving plenty of openings for an Amatersu to hit, since he can't even see it coming. Doubt he could dodge their Susano'o with his eyes closed also.

Sasuke can also counter pretty much every water jutsu due to his lightning. They both have shown better speed feats then Kisame other then in water. Itachi can get out of his bubble with some shadow clones and just send them in different directions, similiar to how KB got his friends out. Sasuke could use his chidori current. Once again I don't even think they would need to leave the bubble to win this. How does Kisame even see Amatersu about to hit him?

How can Kisame even beat them? Sharingan helps them dodge just about every attack attempt from a blind Kisame. Sasuke has his Amatersu shield. They both can summon Susano'o like I said to kill Kisame, if it gets into a Tai fight. Kisame has never seen it, he is blind, right infront of them, I doubt he could dodge an attack or fully absorb Susano'o after one attack.
I think Kisame, knowing Itachi, would pull out the water globe first. The water globe is pretty much his only chance, and it was pretty fast so I don't see Itachi or Sasuke dodging that thing when Bee and his friends couldn't. With Samehada he can absorb the chakra from the jutsu, and it would be hard to do their Sharingan jutsu in the water.

Clones can easily be taken out by Kisame. Wouldn't he know who's the real one with his chakra sensing? And I doubt Susano'o has 6 tails worth of chakra since it's controlled by the users who don't have 6 tails worth of chakra.
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