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Old 11-25-2009, 06:17 PM   #61
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I'm probably gonna post a lot on this, but I'm only gonna go over the first tier in this.

I don't see how Oro with prep would defeat Kyuubi. Sure he can summon the greatest of legends, but I doubt he could actually kill/incapacitate Kyuubi, and there won't be another baby Naruto for sealing =P

I think Kisame should be above Killer Bee, from what he's shown he would've defeated Killer Bee but Samehada trolled him, heck he STILL might win since KB's out cold.

I think Sasuke should be above Minato, MS hax is a problem for Minato. A BIG problem. I don't see how Minato can get around Susanoo or avoid genjutsu rape.

I've gotta say I like this one a lot more than TBC's though.
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How does poison fog, poison needles, and speed not beat striking snakes and suicide jutsu?
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Sasuke didn't have mangyeko sharingan's abilities at that time, so the only thing that it helped him with was with his movements and that he could see the microscopic bombs.

Kakuzu has been around a long time. He's a master of all types of ninjutu, and managed to outsmart Shikamaru in mid battle. He'd figure out something as simple as the bombs' weakness faster than Sasuke did, who was too busy dealing with the C2 bombs to realize the weakness until a lot later in the battle..
Most likely Kakuzu won't learn the weakness until the battle's long and drawn out. Without Sharingan to read the hand seals Kakuzu's at a disadvantage.

I still think Kakuzu has a chance but in most cases Deidara would win.
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I'm probably gonna post a lot on this, but I'm only gonna go over the first tier in this.

I don't see how Oro with prep would defeat Kyuubi. Sure he can summon the greatest of legends, but I doubt he could actually kill/incapacitate Kyuubi, and there won't be another baby Naruto for sealing =P

I think Kisame should be above Killer Bee, from what he's shown he would've defeated Killer Bee but Samehada trolled him, heck he STILL might win since KB's out cold.

I think Sasuke should be above Minato, MS hax is a problem for Minato. A BIG problem. I don't see how Minato can get around Susanoo or avoid genjutsu rape.

I've gotta say I like this one a lot more than TBC's though.
Moving Edo Tensei Orochimaru back down since the versions of people he summons are weaker.

I'll move Kisame above Killer Bee, with the recent chapters Bee couldn't have survived without help, it looks like.

Sasuke probably wins with the feats they've shown, so I'll move him a spot above Minato.
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I'm thinking that Shadow Snakes would be a problem for Shizune, and Anko has some good reflexes. But you have a point there, so I may have to move Shizune up later.
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Most likely Kakuzu won't learn the weakness until the battle's long and drawn out. Without Sharingan to read the hand seals Kakuzu's at a disadvantage.

I still think Kakuzu has a chance but in most cases Deidara would win.
Eh, I seriously don't see how: pretty much all of Deidara's moves except the C1 bombs take major prep, and even when he gets C2 Dragon out, it will be easily destroyed since it hasn't shown any speed feats to dodge multiple attacks. C4 and mainly C3 take longer to make as well, and they're such large targets Kakuzu can't possibly miss with his Raiton.

It's not that hard to figure out that clay = Earth. He should know the weaknesses and strengths of elements because he utilizes them, i.e. the fire-wind combo he used on Kakashi, and the weakness of his Iron Skin, which is earth-based.
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I think it's safe to move Moegi up past Udon, she did punch Konohamaru & his clone.
Udon's really done nothing.
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Eh, I seriously don't see how: pretty much all of Deidara's moves except the C1 bombs take major prep, and even when he gets C2 Dragon out, it will be easily destroyed since it hasn't shown any speed feats to dodge multiple attacks. C4 and mainly C3 take longer to make as well, and they're such large targets Kakuzu can't possibly miss with his Raiton.

It's not that hard to figure out that clay = Earth. He should know the weaknesses and strengths of elements because he utilizes them, i.e. the fire-wind combo he used on Kakashi, and the weakness of his Iron Skin, which is earth-based.
Kakuzu has to get his hearts out to do some major damage to Deidara, and Deidara can hit him with an incoming barrage of C2 missiles or get on his bird and fly away.

Deidara is in general superior because of C4, so he's above. I did say Kakuzu could win though, but I still think Deidara has a better chance of winning without knowledge.

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Udon's really done nothing.
That was filler.

In the tier list, Moegi and Udon are equal since they both share the same abilities.
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But atleast she's done something somewhere.
Why not have Moegi & Udon? It just seems a little weird.
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But atleast she's done something somewhere.
Why not have Moegi & Udon? It just seems a little weird.
That would make them seem more like a team though.

Either way they're both low tier so it's not really a pressing issue to have them on the same level.

This is also manga based, hence no filler characters or moves.
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Kakuzu has to get his hearts out to do some major damage to Deidara, and Deidara can hit him with an incoming barrage of C2 missiles or get on his bird and fly away.

Deidara is in general superior because of C4, so he's above. I did say Kakuzu could win though, but I still think Deidara has a better chance of winning without knowledge.
It took Kakuzu one panel to get his hearts out, while Deidara has to create the C2 Dragon, get on it, and attempt to get airborne.

The thing is, Deidara was saving C4 for Itachi, and only used it against Sasuke because he hated the Sharingan. Deidara's not gonnna have that kind of hate against Kakuzu, and I seriously doubt he'll be able to bring out C4 without it being shot down, it's such a big and slow target.

And even if he SOMEHOW activates C4 without being pulverized or the C4 turning into a dud, Kakuzu could do what Sasuke did and gauge the distance Deidara was from the bomb and keep his distance too.

Also, does Deidara start on the ground? If so it wouldn't even be a fight, Kakuzu could either speedblitz him or reach him with his tentacles before he can make the bird and jump on it.

There are so many ways Kakuzu can win, while Deidara has only one way, and that's C4, which most likely won't even work or he won't use it before being killed.
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There are arguments that Kakuzu's Raiton Gian will work wonders against Deidara's clay.

Oh yes also Kakuzu can get killed by C3 and C2 barrages.
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Oh yes also Kakuzu can get killed by C3 and C2 barrages.
The thing about C2 Dragon is that it is a very large and slow attack. By the time Deidara gets C2 Dragon ready Kakuzu can shoot a Raiton at it, meaning none of the bombs will work. C3 is an even larger and slower target, so I hope I don't have to explain what happens to it.
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The thing about C2 Dragon is that it is a very large and slow attack. By the time Deidara gets C2 Dragon ready Kakuzu can shoot a Raiton at it, meaning none of the bombs will work. C3 is an even larger and slower target, so I hope I don't have to explain what happens to it.

If it manages to explode that would be a different story though.

C3 doesn't move it just drops.
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If it manages to explode that would be a different story though.

C3 doesn't move it just drops.
That just makes it easier to hit, if it's traveling in a predictable trajectory.

And even if it does hit, could it get past Iron Skin, or could it destroy all of his hearts? Kakuzu survived an S-rank jutsu that damages every cell in your body WITHOUT Iron SKin and he still had one heart left.
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That just makes it easier to hit, if it's traveling in a predictable trajectory.

And even if it does hit, could it get past Iron Skin, or could it destroy all of his hearts? Kakuzu survived an S-rank jutsu that damages every cell in your body WITHOUT Iron SKin and he still had one heart left.
C3 has a much bigger destructive capacity than the 50% FRS.

C3 is a multi city block
Kakuzu with Iron skin surviving is possible yet he would be in near death
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C3 has a much bigger destructive capacity than the 50% FRS.

C3 is a multi city block
Kakuzu with Iron skin surviving is possible yet he would be in near death
That's if Deidara can make it before getting blasted, and if he somehow detonates it without Kakuzu either getting out of range or hitting it with a Raiton.

There's too many things that can go wrong with Deidara's moves: he's clearly outmatched when his opponent has a lightning jutsu, and Kakuzu has a long range lightning jutstu, the perfect counter for both Deidara's earth moves and for the distance between them. Plus Deidara has to find a way to kill Kakuzu five times, something that is no easy feat.
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That's if Deidara can make it before getting blasted, and if he somehow detonates it without Kakuzu either getting out of range or hitting it with a Raiton.

There's too many things that can go wrong with Deidara's moves: he's clearly outmatched when his opponent has a lightning jutsu, and Kakuzu has a long range lightning jutstu, the perfect counter for both Deidara's earth moves and for the distance between them. Plus Deidara has to find a way to kill Kakuzu five times, something that is no easy feat.
Kakuzu is not getting of range easily at all.

Yes the Raiton Gian will work wonders against Deidara.

C4 and C3 can bypass the 5 heart rule.
The problem is pulling it off.
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Kakuzu is not getting of range easily at all.

Yes the Raiton Gian will work wonders against Deidara.

C4 and C3 can bypass the 5 heart rule.
That's only if Kakuzu has all of his hearts close together, which he most likely won't
The problem is pulling it off.
And that's the big thing, it's most likely Deidara won't be able to get C3 or C4 at all. Seeing as though those are the only moves that could do anything, Kakuzu is much more likely to win, and that's why he should be higher.

And that kind of battle will happen if Deidara starts on his bird. If he doesn't have his clay bird already out, Kakuzu can knock him out or catch him with his tentacles.

The only points people (not you, lol) make is that Kakuzu doesn't have Sharingan. Does that mean ALL people who don't have Sharingan automatically lose? If so, that's the poorest logic I've ever heard.
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I think that Hinata should be a Chunin or maybe even a Jonin. Her powers are pretty surprising and I think she could improve.
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It took Kakuzu one panel to get his hearts out, while Deidara has to create the C2 Dragon, get on it, and attempt to get airborne.

The thing is, Deidara was saving C4 for Itachi, and only used it against Sasuke because he hated the Sharingan. Deidara's not gonnna have that kind of hate against Kakuzu, and I seriously doubt he'll be able to bring out C4 without it being shot down, it's such a big and slow target.

And even if he SOMEHOW activates C4 without being pulverized or the C4 turning into a dud, Kakuzu could do what Sasuke did and gauge the distance Deidara was from the bomb and keep his distance too.

Also, does Deidara start on the ground? If so it wouldn't even be a fight, Kakuzu could either speedblitz him or reach him with his tentacles before he can make the bird and jump on it.

There are so many ways Kakuzu can win, while Deidara has only one way, and that's C4, which most likely won't even work or he won't use it before being killed.
It depends on the scenario.

I re-checked the chapter, and Kakuzu's hearts did appear in a few panels, although by that time Deidara can hit him with bombs to keep him distracted. Also, it only took some panels for a full C2 Dragon to appear, if Deidara keeps it long range like he did against Sasuke, he should be able to pull it off.
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I said not having Sharingan would put him at a disadvantage. He can't read the hand seals nor does he know about Deidara's earth element.

This is a close match, so I may have to move Kakuzu up later.
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She's already on the chunin level, only it's low chunin.
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It depends on the scenario.

I re-checked the chapter, and Kakuzu's hearts did appear in a few panels, although by that time Deidara can hit him with bombs to keep him distracted. Also, it only took some panels for a full C2 Dragon to appear, if Deidara keeps it long range like he did against Sasuke, he should be able to pull it off. It would take longer for Deidara to make the C2 Dragon, get on it and become airborne, compared to Kakuzu just letting out his masks. I'd say the most Deidara would ever get is one C2 bomb, if that, before the dragon is destroyed, since it wasn't that fast and is pretty big.

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I said not having Sharingan would put him at a disadvantage. He can't read the hand seals nor does he know about Deidara's earth element.
I didn't mean to sound like that, but I feel it wouldn't be that hard to figure out Clay = Earth, especially when Kakuzu's arsenal is mainly the different types of elements.
This is a close match, so I may have to move Kakuzu up later.
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