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Old 11-25-2009, 04:00 PM   #41
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Kiba can rip through his bugs with tunneling fang. Kiba is also much faster than Shino.
Ya, but Kiba can't just keep doing tunneling fang the whole fight. While Shino releases his bugs all over the battleground and simply makes a Bug Clone when Kiba attacks, and then just hides and lets his bugs do all the work. Kiba shouldn't be able to sniff him out due to the whole field is covered with his bugs. Still not sure even if his fang can get rid of the bugs that on his body either after attacking a bug clone, or if his bugs even get on Akamaru, Kiba is pretty much done.
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Ink beasts can still surround her. Although, she can catch him off guard...

It took some pages, so Kimimaro can hit her with a bone or something.
They can surround her, but she's fast and can destroy them, and yes, she can catch Sai off guard.

She was just waiting for him to stop the rain.
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Ya, but Kiba can't just keep doing tunneling fang the whole fight. While Shino releases his bugs all over the battleground and simply makes a Bug Clone when Kiba attacks, and then just hides and lets his bugs do all the work. Kiba shouldn't be able to sniff him out due to the whole field is covered with his bugs. Still not sure even if his fang can get rid of the bugs that on his body either after attacking a bug clone, or if his bugs even get on Akamaru, Kiba is pretty much done.
Pretty sure Kiba would be spinning fast enough to keep the bugs off him, and Shino can't just release his bugs all over while Kiba waits, Kiba's fast so he can attack Shino multiple times. Kiba can shred through Bug Clones and sniff out Shino, and only in certain locations can Shino hide.

I used to be for Shino, although it looks like dual tunneling fangs would be enough to take out Shino, who's not very fast or good in Taijutsu, which Kiba is good at. Kiba's got at least 2 more points higher in speed.
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They can surround her, but she's fast and can destroy them, and yes, she can catch Sai off guard.

She was just waiting for him to stop the rain.
Already moved Shizune up.

It took her some time to form though, but at least her upper half was paper on the next page.
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Old 11-25-2009, 04:08 PM   #44
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Yamato still cannot beat Konan, no way. He's too high.
Konan can easily separate and dodge his attacks, get to him and defeat him.
I've also decided that since I can't drop it, I'll only be a Konan supporter here, there are too many others.
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Still waiting for Suigetsu vs. Konan to end till I move her up.
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Already moved Shizune up.

It took her some time to form though, but at least her upper half was paper on the next page.
Many thanks.

She can probably pull it off before he gets to her, especially using some paper attacks, paper clone, etc, And that's the only issue.
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Alright. I await deidara330, then.
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Kakuzu can beat Deidara, all he needs is his Raiton heart.

C1: Can't get past Iron skin.

C2: Kakuzu just fires at the slow moving Dragon as soon as Deidara makes it, meaning Deidara can't use any of the C2 bombs.

C3: Takes major prep, and is a large, slow moving target.

C4: This is the big one, now let me explain. If Deidara somehow survives long enough to make it, Kakuzu shoots at it with his Raiton heart. While the microscopic bombs on the inside MIGHT be safe from the electrical blast, Deidara won't be able to open up the big Deidara to let the bombs out, since he uses an Earth-seal handsign. This makes C4 useless.

C0: Technically Kakuzu wins since Deidara dies first.
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Kakuzu can beat Deidara, all he needs is his Raiton heart.

C1: Can't get past Iron skin.

C2: Kakuzu just fires at the slow moving Dragon as soon as Deidara makes it, meaning Deidara can't use any of the C2 bombs.

C3: Takes major prep, and is a large, slow moving target.

C4: This is the big one, now let me explain. If Deidara somehow survives long enough to make it, Kakuzu shoots at it with his Raiton heart. While the microscopic bombs on the inside MIGHT be safe from the electrical blast, Deidara won't be able to open up the big Deidara to let the bombs out, since he uses an Earth-seal handsign. This makes C4 useless.

C0: Technically Kakuzu wins since Deidara dies first.
Kakuzu won't start out with knowledge on the bombs' weakness so he won't know to use Raiton heart right away, and he also has to get the masks out of his body, then Deidara can fly away.

Kakuzu can't see C4 either.
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Pretty sure Kiba would be spinning fast enough to keep the bugs off him, and Shino can't just release his bugs all over while Kiba waits, Kiba's fast so he can attack Shino multiple times. Kiba can shred through Bug Clones and sniff out Shino, and only in certain locations can Shino hide.

I used to be for Shino, although it looks like dual tunneling fangs would be enough to take out Shino, who's not very fast or good in Taijutsu, which Kiba is good at. Kiba's got at least 2 more points higher in speed.
When Shino fought Kankuro, that is what I mean by releasing his bugs, which was pretty instant. Kankuro didn't even see Shino let them out. Once again Kiba can't be in a permant Fang, as in he stops spinning after so long. Kiba is faster, but how can Shino counter his speed? With his Bug Clones.

Location wise if Shino can't hide, then Shino would have to depend on his Bug Wall, Bug Jar, and once again his Bug Clones. All these techniques open up possibilities for Kiba to get covered with bugs. Pretty much if this is an open field battle these are some scenarios.

Kiba also has to stop fang to sense Shino giving openings, I am pretty sure. Not to mention, I still doubt he could sense Shino due to all the Bugs and Shino has all the Bugs in him.
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Kakuzu won't start out with knowledge on the bombs' weakness so he won't know to use Raiton heart right away, and he also has to get the masks out of his body, then Deidara can fly away.

Kakuzu can't see C4 either.
Kakuzu would see Deidara using Earth-seal handsigns, or he could see that the bombs he shoots with his Raiton heart don't detonate.

I'm talking about when C4 is still in that giant Deidara. If the outer layer of the giant Deidara is hit, Deidara can only detonate the bombs while they are inside of the giant Deidara.

Sorry I say giant deidara too much, can't think of how to word it
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Kakuzu would see Deidara using Earth-seal handsigns, or he could see that the bombs he shoots with his Raiton heart don't detonate.

I'm talking about when C4 is still in that giant Deidara. If the outer layer of the giant Deidara is hit, Deidara can only detonate the bombs while they are inside of the giant Deidara.

Sorry I say giant deidara too much, can't think of how to word it
This is possible. Kakuzu is pretty smart also. Personally, I don't see Deidara lasting long enough for C4, even then Kakuzu could notice what his Raiton is doing to Deidara's bombs, similiar to how Sasuke found out.
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When Shino fought Kankuro, that is what I mean by releasing his bugs, which was pretty instant. Kankuro didn't even see Shino let them out. Once again Kiba can't be in a permant Fang, as in he stops spinning after so long. Kiba is faster, but how can Shino counter his speed? With his Bug Clones.

Location wise if Shino can't hide, then Shino would have to depend on his Bug Wall, Bug Jar, and once again his Bug Clones. All these techniques open up possibilities for Kiba to get covered with bugs. Pretty much if this is an open field battle these are some scenarios.

Kiba also has to stop fang to sense Shino giving openings, I am pretty sure. Not to mention, I still doubt he could sense Shino due to all the Bugs and Shino has all the Bugs in him.
Kiba can counter Bug Clones with Tunneling Fang.

Shino's Canon Jutsu are bug clone, bug globe, and the bug host technique. Kiba's way too fast for him and I don't see how Shino gets a hold of him, or how Shino can avoid Tunneling Fang with the speed he has.
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I'm talking about when C4 is still in that giant Deidara. If the outer layer of the giant Deidara is hit, Deidara can only detonate the bombs while they are inside of the giant Deidara.

Sorry I say giant deidara too much, can't think of how to word it
Kakuzu doesn't have Sharingan, so he wouldn't have as many advantages like Sasuke did.
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Kakuzu doesn't have Sharingan, so he wouldn't have as many advantages like Sasuke did.
Sasuke only needed Sharingan because Deidara was able to use his bombs. Against Kakuzu, I doubt Deidara can activate anything above C1 before it's Raitoned.

Kakuzu doesn't need Sharingan, he nearly killed Kakashi, a Sharingan user, twice.
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Kiba can counter Bug Clones with Tunneling Fang.

Shino's Canon Jutsu are bug clone, bug globe, and the bug host technique. Kiba's way too fast for him and I don't see how Shino gets a hold of him, or how Shino can avoid Tunneling Fang with the speed he has.
Blah, I guess it just depends on the location, since half of Shino's other technique's are filler for now.

Clones would be the counter for Tunneling Fang, but o well I guess we will just have to wait for some more air time, to get back to this one.

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Okay I read the whole thread and could have jumped in at any time, but I'm clearing the Orochimaru thing up. If he has prep to summon whoever he needs, these bodies aren't as strong as their full powered selves. It's 30% of their power, just clearing that up.

If he summons 3 though, then bam, that's that.
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Kakuzu doesn't need Sharingan, he nearly killed Kakashi, a Sharingan user, twice.

He'll need Sharingan to detect the bombs' weakness faster.

Kakashi's Sharingan isn't as advanced as Sasuke's.
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If he summons 3 though, then bam, that's that.
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He'll need Sharingan to detect the bombs' weakness faster.

Kakashi's Sharingan isn't as advanced as Sasuke's.
Sasuke didn't have mangyeko sharingan's abilities at that time, so the only thing that it helped him with was with his movements and that he could see the microscopic bombs.

Kakuzu has been around a long time. He's a master of all types of ninjutu, and managed to outsmart Shikamaru in mid battle. He'd figure out something as simple as the bombs' weakness faster than Sasuke did, who was too busy dealing with the C2 bombs to realize the weakness until a lot later in the battle..
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