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Im going to call it right here and now.The character we assume to be Uchiha Madara isnt who he claims to be entirely.

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Just bare with me here.Authors have always used Suspense, thrill and mystery to spice up their literature.One of the most basic forms of this is to convince the readers they found something out.Once the Author has done that they can reveal the stunning truth which is only stunning because the reader thought they were right.

This is called a turn.Perfect example is in Bleach with Aizen.


Why I think Madara isnt who he is:

First of all Madara is a deceiver.He used others such as Pain or Sasuke to do the job and achieve his goals.
Yondaime himself said "A Man from Akatsuki wearing a mask".
Chaper 440 Page 11.
This Points out that not even he is sure if the masked member is Madara.

Those who think Itachi could not have been that easily deceived need to remember that "Madara" specifically stated that he managed to keep things from Itachi.
Chapter 397 Page 10.
And they seem to be pretty important things as Madara was able to escape Ammy.also Remember Itachi wasnt truthful to Sasuke during their fight.Perhaps he held back Madara's true Idendity for a reason?


Why the mask?It associates Madara with Mystery.
Madara been going around for chapters now advertising his Idendity.If Kishi wants to clear this up once and for all,take off the mask so we can be sure.

Why would he tell anyone who he is?He very clearly told Kakashi he was Madara.WHy would such a deceiveful person reveal who he is for no reason?

Lastly; there is no concrete evidence he is indeed Madara.
Jiraya reasoned that the one to be controlling Kyuubi was Madara.But he was just guessing.
Remember, we the readers see everything from the point of the good guys.
We know what the good guys know.
And that is why Jiraya may very well have been wrong as we are often.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:11 PM   #2
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true about the jiraya thing if sasuke got an eye transplant he could control the nine-tales
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Im going to call it right here and now.The character we assume to be Uchiha Madara isnt who he claims to be entirely.

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Just bare with me here.Authors have always used Suspense, thrill and mystery to spice up their literature.One of the most basic forms of this is to convince the readers they found something out.Once the Author has done that they can reveal the stunning truth which is only stunning because the reader thought they were right.

This is called a turn.Perfect example is in Bleach with Aizen.


Why I think Madara isnt who he is:

First of all Madara is a deceiver.He used others such as Pain or Sasuke to do the job and achieve his goals.
Yondaime himself said "A Man from Akatsuki wearing a mask".
Chaper 440 Page 11.
This Points out that not even he is sure if the masked member is Madara.

Those who think Itachi could not have been that easily deceived need to remember that "Madara" specifically stated that he managed to keep things from Itachi.
Chapter 397 Page 10.
And they seem to be pretty important things as Madara was able to escape Ammy.also Remember Itachi wasnt truthful to Sasuke during their fight.Perhaps he held back Madara's true Idendity for a reason?


Why the mask?It associates Madara with Mystery.
Madara been going around for chapters now advertising his Idendity.If Kishi wants to clear this up once and for all,take off the mask so we can be sure.

Why would he tell anyone who he is?He very clearly told Kakashi he was Madara.WHy would such a deceiveful person reveal who he is for no reason?

Lastly; there is no concrete evidence he is indeed Madara.
Jiraya reasoned that the one to be controlling Kyuubi was Madara.But he was just guessing.
Remember, we the readers see everything from the point of the good guys.
We know what the good guys know.
And that is why Jiraya may very well have been wrong as we are often.
You know what I started to change my mind about him being madara when he told kakashi and naruto that
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I don't see why you "call it right here and now" when the theory/speculation that Madara is not Madara has been around since "Madara" was first introduced

I liked the points you made though.
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he cant be danzo cus danzo was at the attack when tobi(yayas his name can be used a can)talked to naruto but somethin that gets me is this could be the tobi could be obito theory and i keep seeing pictures of obito with his goggles on after he jus took off the tobi mask but it was for sure that madara summoned the nine-tailed fox
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he cant be danzo cus danzo was at the attack when tobi(yayas his name can be used a can)talked to naruto but somethin that gets me is this could be the tobi could be obito theory and i keep seeing pictures of obito with his goggles on after he jus took off the tobi mask but it was for sure that madara summoned the nine-tailed fox
I agree Madara isnt Danzo but look:
Madara appeared after Danzo ran away.Im just finding this a weird coincidence.
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true maybe danzo used a genjutsu to fool them into thinking he was there
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i would like to take this oppertunity to point out that this dosent mean that tobi is obito!!!!!! that mo-fo dead!
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i think that something happened after go to youtube and search could zetsu be obito
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am not sure but yeah...maybe he is Madara after all...
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Do you think maybe he could be the Sage of the Sick Paths son? The one that is the ancestor to all of the Uchiha clan? It would make sense for him to be his son seeing as how the spoilers for this week have Tobi saying a ton of stuff about the Sage and other events that happened that far into the past. The fact that he doesn't have the Rinnegan is the only thing that is against this theory, other than the obvious one which is that he should be dead, but the Rinnegan changed into the Sharingan over several generations, so perhaps the same happened to his Rinnegan.
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wellllll i still dont beleve it
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Also to mention that, when he introduces himself he says "he Sharingan's true power... this Uchiha Madara's power"

He introduces himself mostly in 3rd person.

I also think he looks like someone we know, or going to know. Why hide his face if not?
The only other person who looks like Madara is Izuna, I think it could be Izuna posing as Madara.....
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No,No,and No XD.When Madara Introduce himself to Kisame he Knew It right away.he call him Mizukage and after."Sorry...Madara" Seriously,I dont know why u guys still thinking He is Not Madara...I mean. I agree with The thing author need to keep secret something until we know the truth(For the bleach part,It's weird but when I saw aizen for the first time I Knew it was a bad one..he was too gentle...) Anyway The guys behind the Mask Is Really Madara.And The reason Why He told everybody it's because Pain just got defeated and his plan Have Changed.He said to Zetsu that he was tired of being cautius...Thats why he acting like that telling everybody wHo he Is, to make the plan running faster...
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ya we know it can't be Danzo
i have speculated that it was Izuna, Madara's brother awhile back and could be a possibility. i mean it has to be someone from that time period to know so many facts about what has happened. they say he was killed on a battlefield, would have been easy to fake his death. and if he took his brothers eye, he might not have gained a true EMS if it was just 1 eye.
and than his whole personality could fit in with Madara's chakra infecting Izuna similar to what is going on with Kabuto. which again could be a reason he wants to push Sasuke to increase his sharringan. to gain max ability than he could take them afterwards.
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i agree, i think there's a possibility that he's someone else because his character isn't very solid, although, if he is someone else kishie will have to fit in his mtoives for pretending, explain what's up with why he can't be affected by attacks and all the other stuff he did
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