*SPOILER* Naruto and the Senju Clan*SPOILERS*

[Naruto321]

Ok. I know that the 1st Hokage was not the Senju clan leader. One of the 2 bothers were the ones who made the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan.

[JPSM]

Originally Posted by Naruto321

Ok. I know that the 1st Hokage was not the Senju clan leader. One of the 2 bothers were the ones who made the Senju clan and the Uchiha clan.

No...Hashirama was the clan leader, by the time Konoha was founded, but Hashirama wasn't the clan founder

[Naruto321]

The older brother, believing he should have been chosen, fought his brother to try and claim what he felt he deserved. His descendants, the Uchiha clan, would continue this fight with the younger brother's descendants, the Senju clan.

[Naruto321]

Originally Posted by JPSM

No...Hashirama was the clan leader, by the time Konoha was founded, but Hashirama wasn't the clan founder

The last post I made is there right on top of me.

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by Naruto321

The older brother, believing he should have been chosen, fought his brother to try and claim what he felt he deserved. His descendants, the Uchiha clan, would continue this fight with the younger brother's descendants, the Senju clan.

Yea....

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

Hashirama did bring peace to the ninja world....and it would have well lasted if not for madara.....all the clans that fought bloody wars all the time....hashirama brought peace to all that....the "Prophecy' could have occured twice....the first time in Hashirama....and the second time...now in naruto..

The "Child of Prophecy" was a prophecy the Great Sage gave to Jiraya that's why it can't just happen twice. I know Hashirama brought peace to the ninja world (even if it was just temporary) but he's not part of that prophecy. In chapter 376 page 12 you can see the Great Sage says it's a prophecy concerning Jiraya's future and the prophecy only came to him at that time not in Hashirama's time, that's why I said even if Hashirama brought some kind of peace to the ninja world he can't ever be considered the "Child of Prophecy".

[Bioyard]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

there's no reason for the fox to hurt naruto

1. cause it been sealed.....(and it does hurt him when he uses it)..but he uses it of his own will....the fox cant force naruto to use it if he does'nt want to....bbut he can persuade/ convince naruto to use him like he has done in the past....

2. if naruto dies then soo does the fox....the fox dsnt want that...so he dsnt want to hurt naruto anywayz...

When the foxes chakra consumes naruto, naruto is still inside the chakra acting as a skeleton. His physical body is still there moving. They say in the manga that naruto shouldnt be able to move let alone survive the foxes particular type of chakra. It's also said that Naruto has a unique ablility to suppress the foxes chakra on his own. After the 4th tail he loses it though. Anyone else would have lost control immediately. No one seems to know why or how naruto can do this.

Sure naruto has the necklace but it doesnt work on its own. It needs someone to activate it. So before Yamato came around, it was just a normal necklace.

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

The "Child of Prophecy" was a prophecy the Great Sage gave to Jiraya that's why it can't just happen twice. I know Hashirama brought peace to the ninja world (even if it was just temporary) but he's not part of that prophecy. In chapter 376 page 12 you can see the Great Sage says it's a prophecy concerning Jiraya's future and the prophecy only came to him at that time not in Hashirama's time, that's why I said even if Hashirama brought some kind of peace to the ninja world he can't ever be considered the "Child of Prophecy".

The same prophecy could have been predictated at that hashirama's time too.....the prophecy could have said that the descendant of the younger brother would bring peace or well sumthing like that.....and in the present time this applies to jiraya and his student ,naruto...

After all the child of the prophecy is the one that would bring peace.
And hashirama did....and nw it naruto's turn..
and who knows, the prophecy might nt be a recent 1.....the toad sage must ev been alive for a really long time.....so maby the prophecy told of 2 children...hashirama and naruto..(naruto maby reincarnation of hashirama)...there was noo reason to tell jiraya bout hashirama...cause naruto was the next child of the prophecy and would come to relate to jiraya....


and like i said the child of the prophecy Is the one who would bring peace....hashirama was the child in the older generation...and naruto is the child in the new generation..(the world sends a savoir wheneverf needed) both destined to bring peace..and the reason he told jiraya was because jiraya would become the sensei of the next child of the prophecy....

during the time of war betwween clans...hashirama was the peace bringer....and during the time of war between the nations...naruto could potentially be the new peace bringer... naruto might be the reincarnation of hashirama....

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by JPSM

I don't know if it Senju blood in Hashirama, if it Hashirama's wood style, I think it is hard that the wood style and the necklace, them alone can do something, there most be something else, like the wood passing to the necklace, some chakra that had a genetic supressor from the Senju, this link:

Genetic supressor (SENJU HASHIRAMA)+Wood Style+Necklace = allowed the Kyuubi to be controlled

Yea propably...speaking of which....what happened to the second necklace?? tsunade said there were two necklaces like that in the world...one broke what bout the other one???

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by Bioyard

When the foxes chakra consumes naruto, naruto is still inside the chakra acting as a skeleton. His physical body is still there moving. They say in the manga that naruto shouldnt be able to move let alone survive the foxes particular type of chakra. It's also said that Naruto has a unique ablility to suppress the foxes chakra on his own. After the 4th tail he loses it though. Anyone else would have lost control immediately. No one seems to know why or how naruto can do this.

Sure naruto has the necklace but it doesnt work on its own. It needs someone to activate it. So before Yamato came around, it was just a normal necklace.

Well the chakra burns naruto....and heals him at the same time....
and the reason he survies it is because there is only half of the foxes chakra sealed in naruto......

[Naruto321]

Espically when his in Sgae Mode.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Nine-TailedSage_Naruto

The same prophecy could have been predictated at that hashirama's time too.....the prophecy could have said that the descendant of the younger brother would bring peace or well sumthing like that.....and in the present time this applies to jiraya and his student ,naruto...

After all the child of the prophecy is the one that would bring peace.
And hashirama did....and nw it naruto's turn..
and who knows, the prophecy might nt be a recent 1.....the toad sage must ev been alive for a really long time.....so maby the prophecy told of 2 children...hashirama and naruto..(naruto maby reincarnation of hashirama)...there was noo reason to tell jiraya bout hashirama...cause naruto was the next child of the prophecy and would come to relate to jiraya....


and like i said the child of the prophecy Is the one who would bring peace....hashirama was the child in the older generation...and naruto is the child in the new generation..(the world sends a savoir wheneverf needed) both destined to bring peace..and the reason he told jiraya was because jiraya would become the sensei of the next child of the prophecy....

during the time of war betwween clans...hashirama was the peace bringer....and during the time of war between the nations...naruto could potentially be the new peace bringer... naruto might be the reincarnation of hashirama....

There were 2 children in the prophecy but they are/were Naruto and Nagato not Hashirama. I'm not arguing the fact that the world needs a "savior" and at the time Hashirama acted like one bringing peace for a while but he's not the "Child of Prophecy" in the Great Sage's prophecy. If there was another prophecy about him during his time I don't know and I'm not saying there couldn't have been but I don't think the Great Sage would give the exact same prophecy twice.

[Naruto321]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

There were 2 children in the prophecy but they are/were Naruto and Nagato not Hashirama. I'm not arguing the fact that the world needs a "savior" and at the time Hashirama acted like one bringing peace for a while but he's not the "Child of Prophecy" in the Great Sage's prophecy. If there was another prophecy about him during his time I don't know and I'm not saying there couldn't have been but I don't think the Great Sage would give the exact same prophecy twice.

Well, the toad people thought that Naruto is the prophecy.

[3littlepigs]

Originally Posted by Naruto321

Well, the toad people thought that Naruto is the prophecy.

No, at the end of the Pain invasion arc you can see Gamabunta with the Great Sage looking thorugh a crystal ball and saying how it was surprising that the "Child of Prophecy" ended up being both Naruto and Nagato. You could kind of see it in Jiraya's book "The Gutsy Ninja", he based the main character on Nagato and his ideals at the time but named him Naruto, and because of how that character was Minato ended up naming his son Naruto.

[Naruto321]

True.

[Nine-TailedSage_Naruto]

Originally Posted by 3littlepigs

There were 2 children in the prophecy but they are/were Naruto and Nagato not Hashirama. I'm not arguing the fact that the world needs a "savior" and at the time Hashirama acted like one bringing peace for a while but he's not the "Child of Prophecy" in the Great Sage's prophecy. If there was another prophecy about him during his time I don't know and I'm not saying there couldn't have been but I don't think the Great Sage would give the exact same prophecy twice.

The great sage has lived for long(maby)..he would propably be as old as madara or even older....maby there was a prophecy that time too....Naruto is all bout the next generation...so at that time maby it was hashirama....like i said Naruto might be a reincarnation of Hashirama("i see the senju's will of fire within you" might kinda prove that)...so if naruto and hashirama share the same ideals,enemy's,thoughts,...why not share the same fate/destiny....or be the part of one great prophecy?....
The"child of the prophecy" might occur whenever the world is in need of one...in the older generation it was hashirama and now its naruto....

But it might occur in different ways......like example: in naruto's case ..his destiny was tied to jiraya and his book....that is how the new generation child of the prophecy came to be.....it might have been decided sum other way for hashirama...but in the end both are the part of the same great prophecy...