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Old 09-05-2009, 10:09 PM   #41
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^^ Wow I actually read all that LOL...just my opinion on somethings

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There's no way Hashirama could be considered "The Child of Prophecy" simply because that prophecy was meant only for Jiraya. Hashirama had nothing to do with Jiraya and obviously wasn't his student. Also the "Child of Prophecy" is meant to bring peace to the ninja world in general not just stop the cycle of hatred between the Uchiha and the Senju.

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Yeah you're right there were Uchiha that didn't awaken the sharingan...I don't remember Sasuke saying it but I did hear it somewhere....And I do think the way Sasuke is now he wouldn't mind killing Naruto, but Naruto of course wouldn't want to kill Sasuke so that's a disadvantage he'll have when they fight. Although I do believe Naruto's a Senju he could be destined to break the hatred between both clans simply because he's the "Child of Prophecy" ( Nagato's gone so...)
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People keep saying that naruto cant be Senju because he cant control the fox. But it has been stated occasionally that the foxes chakra doesnt hurt naruto for some reason and no one knows why. That means something in Naruto's blood, or genes, is preventing the foxes chakra from killing him. Wouldn't that be a form of controling the fox? That and naruto wouldnt just KNOW how to control a demon. Besides, the First and Second were brothers and came from a long line of Senju yet the First is the only one known to control demons right?? Tsunade cant control demons. Why would naruto be able too??

And as for the kekke Genkai, it's been referred to that not everyone in the Uchiha clan has the ability to get the Sharingan. So maybe not everyone can get their clans kekke genkai.
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it is a long shot that Naruto is a senju by relation... and i'm not buying it till i have proof.

Naruto's beliefs and spirit is what makes him Senju to Madara. the same beliefs that the Sage seen in the first "body" that later formed the Senju clan.
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okay I swear I read that Kishi leaked that we'll see the 4th's secret and learn of his bloodline. That seems pretty signfigant if were talking about Naruto potentially being related to Senju. (I mean they don't have to have the same last name to be related, senju has been around for along time and Naruto could potentially be related via his father)

That one I can't say 100% that it's confirmed from Kishi. Though I know for a fact that Kishi has said multiple times that he is planing/has been wanting to for a while, to write more about the 4th. And said that we'll be seing more of him.
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People keep saying that naruto cant be Senju because he cant control the fox. But it has been stated occasionally that the foxes chakra doesnt hurt naruto for some reason and no one knows why. That means something in Naruto's blood, or genes, is preventing the foxes chakra from killing him. Wouldn't that be a form of controling the fox? That and naruto wouldnt just KNOW how to control a demon. Besides, the First and Second were brothers and came from a long line of Senju yet the First is the only one known to control demons right?? Tsunade cant control demons. Why would naruto be able too??

And as for the kekke Genkai, it's been referred to that not everyone in the Uchiha clan has the ability to get the Sharingan. So maybe not everyone can get their clans kekke genkai.
The truth is that we don't know if Tobirama and Tsunade, aren't able to control it...most likely Madara controlled the kyuubi using his sharingan, so Hashirama could have devellopped a technique based in his clan Kekke Genkai, that helped him in controlling the kyuubi, and this technique been similar to the EMS....everyone can potentially unlock it, but that doesn't mean that everyone will be able to do it...Also I've wondering my self if Naruto beeing able to retain the Kyuubi isn't in some type related to his body...in a genetic way....
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okay I swear I read that Kishi leaked that we'll see the 4th's secret and learn of his bloodline. That seems pretty signfigant if were talking about Naruto potentially being related to Senju. (I mean they don't have to have the same last name to be related, senju has been around for along time and Naruto could potentially be related via his father)

That one I can't say 100% that it's confirmed from Kishi. Though I know for a fact that Kishi has said multiple times that he is planing/has been wanting to for a while, to write more about the 4th. And said that we'll be seing more of him.
I always tought that Minato, probably had a kekke genkai...the amount of chakra that he had, the fact that he could use space/time jutsu, probably and the fact that he was able to make a deal with death, that in the end, is what Shiki no Fujin is about, his a prof that he wasn't just a genious, probably there was something more...and a Kekke Genkai could explain it...
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^^ Wow I actually read all that LOL...just my opinion on somethings

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There's no way Hashirama could be considered "The Child of Prophecy" simply because that prophecy was meant only for Jiraya. Hashirama had nothing to do with Jiraya and obviously wasn't his student. Also the "Child of Prophecy" is meant to bring peace to the ninja world in general not just stop the cycle of hatred between the Uchiha and the Senju.

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Yeah you're right there were Uchiha that didn't awaken the sharingan...I don't remember Sasuke saying it but I did hear it somewhere....And I do think the way Sasuke is now he wouldn't mind killing Naruto, but Naruto of course wouldn't want to kill Sasuke so that's a disadvantage he'll have when they fight. Although I do believe Naruto's a Senju he could be destined to break the hatred between both clans simply because he's the "Child of Prophecy" ( Nagato's gone so...)
Hashirama did bring peace to the ninja world....and it would have well lasted if not for madara.....all the clans that fought bloody wars all the time....hashirama brought peace to all that....the "Prophecy' could have occured twice....the first time in Hashirama....and the second time...now in naruto..
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People keep saying that naruto cant be Senju because he cant control the fox. But it has been stated occasionally that the foxes chakra doesnt hurt naruto for some reason and no one knows why. That means something in Naruto's blood, or genes, is preventing the foxes chakra from killing him. Wouldn't that be a form of controling the fox? That and naruto wouldnt just KNOW how to control a demon. Besides, the First and Second were brothers and came from a long line of Senju yet the First is the only one known to control demons right?? Tsunade cant control demons. Why would naruto be able too??

And as for the kekke Genkai, it's been referred to that not everyone in the Uchiha clan has the ability to get the Sharingan. So maybe not everyone can get their clans kekke genkai.
there's no reason for the fox to hurt naruto

1. cause it been sealed.....(and it does hurt him when he uses it)..but he uses it of his own will....the fox cant force naruto to use it if he does'nt want to....bbut he can persuade/ convince naruto to use him like he has done in the past....

2. if naruto dies then soo does the fox....the fox dsnt want that...so he dsnt want to hurt naruto anywayz...
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The truth is that we don't know if Tobirama and Tsunade, aren't able to control it...most likely Madara controlled the kyuubi using his sharingan, so Hashirama could have devellopped a technique based in his clan Kekke Genkai, that helped him in controlling the kyuubi, and this technique been similar to the EMS....everyone can potentially unlock it, but that doesn't mean that everyone will be able to do it...Also I've wondering my self if Naruto beeing able to retain the Kyuubi isn't in some type related to his body...in a genetic way....
Even hashirama could only control the fox because of the necklace...and i think the answers lies in that...we still dont know the whole potetial of it...(but it broke dint it?)
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Even hashirama could only control the fox because of the necklace...and i think the answers lies in that...we still dont know the whole potetial of it...(but it broke dint it?)
Yep...I also believe its more in the necklace than just controlling the Kyuubi...the fact his that Hashirama could control all the bijuu's at least that is what they have been tolding to us...so my guess is that with Hashirama the power wasn't only in the necklace, there was something more to it...probably something that only a Senju, or someone with his genetic (Yamato) could do...
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Yep...I also believe its more in the necklace than just controlling the Kyuubi...the fact his that Hashirama could control all the bijuu's at least that is what they have been tolding to us...so my guess is that with Hashirama the power wasn't only in the necklace, there was something more to it...probably something that only a Senju, or someone with his genetic (Yamato) could do...
Yea exactly....I think there was sumthing spl in the necklace...sumthing that reacted to hashirama's wood style...and yamato's too....and that sum hw managed to control the kyubii/....(hmm remember the 3 tails filler arc...yuukimaru's flute controlled the 3 tails...i kno its just a filler... but i think the necklace's kinda sumthing like that)
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Dont think so.Toka was a master of Genjutsu.Thats nothing like Naruto maybe its just me but I see a resemblance to Kurenai.

what does that have to do with anything? parents being able to specialize in one jutus doesn't mean your kid is gong to inherit that talent!

every ninja in naruto's generation learned jutus that their parents used because their parents taught them.. naruto didn't have that luxury. so how the hell is gengutsu even remotely related to naruto's abilities?
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what does that have to do with anything? parents being able to specialize in one jutus doesn't mean your kid is gong to inherit that talent!

every ninja in naruto's generation learned jutus that their parents used because their parents taught them.. naruto didn't have that luxury. so how the hell is gengutsu even remotely related to naruto's abilities?
actually....naruto has the same kinda style and jutsu's like his mom...but yea its nt nessacery that the kid has to inherit the same kid of abilities....
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Yea exactly....I think there was sumthing spl in the necklace...sumthing that reacted to hashirama's wood style...and yamato's too....and that sum hw managed to control the kyubii/....(hmm remember the 3 tails filler arc...yuukimaru's flute controlled the 3 tails...i kno its just a filler... but i think the necklace's kinda sumthing like that)
I don't know if it Senju blood in Hashirama, if it Hashirama's wood style, I think it is hard that the wood style and the necklace, them alone can do something, there most be something else, like the wood passing to the necklace, some chakra that had a genetic supressor from the Senju, this link:

Genetic supressor (SENJU HASHIRAMA)+Wood Style+Necklace = allowed the Kyuubi to be controlled
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No...its unknown the name of the Senju clan founder, Hashirama was just the leader, when Konoha was born...
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According to Madara Uchiha, when the Sage was on his deathbed, he entrusted his power and dream to two brothers. The older brother, who inherited the Sage's powerful chakra and spiritual energy ("eyes"), believed that power was the key to peace; and the younger brother, who inherited the Sage's willpower and physical energy ("body"), believed that love was the key to peace. In the end, the Sage chose the younger brother to be his successor. Overcome by bitterness and envy, the older brother attacked the younger one, beginning a war between them. Their struggle would continue on through their descendants: the Senju clan the Uchiha clan.
Damm, I don't understand if you already got my point of view or not...but you said it all... two brothers, one created Senju, other the Uchiha...Hashirama was the leader, and he had a brother (tobirama) therefore he can't be one of the original brothers, therefore he is not the Senju clan founder
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