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Old 09-04-2009, 07:01 AM   #1
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Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

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Well, what else could he mean by "fire of the Senju clan"? Hashirama was not the only Senju, there was Tobirama, as well as another female who was a Genjutsu Specialist. It has never been said whether Tsunade had children or not, and lot's of things are unconfirmed. And who are you to tell people what types of threads they should and shouldn't make? And way to put a spoiler in your title, regardless of putting "*spoilers*" people can still see the rest of the title.
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Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.
The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
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I agree with you deidara330, I think Madara didnt mean that Naruto was a Senju, literally. I think he refered about his way of thinking. Finnaly I met someone who said that Naruto isnt a Senju.

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I agree with you JPMS, I think Madara didnt mean that Naruto was a Senju, literally. I think he refered about his way of thinking. Finnaly I met someone who said that Naruto isnt a Senju.
You understood wrong...XD...I think he is related....in this way...female senju that Nick talked about married with a Namikaze name guy....they had Minato, and Minato had Naruto....He isn't called Senju, but he his a Senju heir and descendent...
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The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
Actually, Uzumaki was his mother, Kushina's name, hence the Uzumaki.
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The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
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Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
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Well, what else could he mean by "fire of the Senju clan"? Hashirama was not the only Senju, there was Tobirama, as well as another female who was a Genjutsu Specialist. It has never been said whether Tsunade had children or not, and lot's of things are unconfirmed. And who are you to tell people what types of threads they should and shouldn't make? And way to put a spoiler in your title, regardless of putting "*spoilers*" people can still see the rest of the title.
He could mean that his fire is similar to that of the Senju clan. Konoha has the will of fire, but it doesn't mean that every single person in Konoha is related. And I didn't tell them what threads they should and shouldn't make. I was saying that it was never a confirmed or proven fact, so people shouldn't use it in debates and arguments as such. And "Naruto is not a Senju" isn't actually a spoiler, because anyone who doesn't read the manga would already think that Naruto wasn't a Senju, and wouldn't know what happened in Chapter 462.
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The thing is, you are also forgotting to tell that Uchiha Vs Senju was a family battle....and Naruto will take part in this clan wars, so if Sasuke is Uchiha...and this is a family war, and Naruto is destined to fight agaisnt Sasuke, then Naruto is a Senju....Beeing called Uzumaki Naruto (or in fact Namikaze Naruto...cause his true name is Nakimaze, Uzumaki was just a decision of Hiruzen to protect him), doesn't mean that he cannot be a senju descendent....
Uchiha VS. Senju was a family war, but Naruto and Sassuke's rivalry isn't necessarily Uchiha Vs. Senju. He isn't a part of what went down, as he grew up with no battle against Uchiha, or even any knowledge of the struggle. Just because he is called Naruto Uzumaki doesn't mean he isn't a Senju desendant. But just because he shares their rivalry with Uchiha doesn't mean that he is.
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You understood wrong...XD...I think he is related....in this way...female senju that Nick talked about married with a Namikaze name guy....they had Minato, and Minato had Naruto....He isn't called Senju, but he his a Senju heir and descendent...
It was never actually proven if Minato had a relasionship with the Senju.
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Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
It's entirely possible that he could be related to the Senju, if his father was a desendant of a female Senju who was married to a Namikaze.

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Actually, Uzumaki was his mother, Kushina's name, hence the Uzumaki.
Yes..but Hiruzen, to protect Naruto replace his fathers name, Namikaze, by his mothers name...so that no one would came after him thinking he had his father kekke genkai (if he had one) or inherit some sort of special items or scrolls from his father.....there is a lot of problems in him beeing the Kyuubi alone, it would be a lot worse if people (mainly the outsiders of the village) knew that he is the kyuubi and 4th's son....
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And she was alive when Konoha was found, which was way before Minato was born.
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Toka Senju.She is seen in chapter 399 standing left from hashirama.PURTY.
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Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
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Her name is Senju Tora, she appeared, when Madara was talking with Sasuke about the Senju vs Uchiha...the only thing we know is her name, her appearence and specialllity in genjutsu....

And one thing that Kishimoto already proven its that when we learn something about a character, like its name, is that sooner or later, the character will play some sort of role in something....
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He could mean that his fire is similar to that of the Senju clan. Konoha has the will of fire, but it doesn't mean that every single person in Konoha is related. And I didn't tell them what threads they should and shouldn't make. I was saying that it was never a confirmed or proven fact, so people shouldn't use it in debates and arguments as such. And "Naruto is not a Senju" isn't actually a spoiler, because anyone who doesn't read the manga would already think that Naruto wasn't a Senju, and wouldn't know what happened in Chapter 462.

((Yes, they wouldn't think he was Senju, but by making it a point to say he isn't one, you are ruining everything that has gone on in the Manga lately for them. And you didnt say we shouldn't use the Naruto is a Senju in threads, you said we shouldn't make threads about it, so you are telling us what types of threads we can and cannot make

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So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.
What the hell are you talking about "his fire"? What fire?))


Uchiha VS. Senju was a family war, but Naruto and Sassuke's rivalry isn't necessarily Uchiha Vs. Senju. He isn't a part of what went down, as he grew up with no battle against Uchiha, or even any knowledge of the struggle. Just because he is called Naruto Uzumaki doesn't mean he isn't a Senju desendant. But just because he shares their rivalry with Uchiha doesn't mean that he is.
I'm so sick of arguing why he is a Senju, I'm just not even going to bother anymore.
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And she was alive when Konoha was found, which was way before Minato was born.
Yea, so are you saying you know for a fact that she didn't have children who could have had Minato? And btw, Konoha is about 80-90 years old, so it's not as much of a stretch as you make it out to be
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Her name is Senju Tora, she appeared, when Madara was talking with Sasuke about the Senju vs Uchiha...the only thing we know is her name, her appearence and specialllity in genjutsu....
It's Toka not Tora.
Her age is said as 27 when we saw her and of "Presumed" dead.
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It's Toka not Tora.
Her age is said as 27 when we saw her and of "Presumed" dead.
Sorry...I write it wrong...but you get what I ment....though
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I'm so sick of arguing why he is a Senju, I'm just not even going to bother anymore.
i'll save you from hurting yourself...copied this from the other thread...me getting tired of this too...ahahaha...and i haven't really posted yet...

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Yea, well, a lot of things don't add up. Plus, how does it not make sense? Senju are known for their abundant Chakra, as well as being able to gain ground in the three types of Jutsu easily, and Naruto is pretty good at mastering jutsu, plus Naruto has hella Chakra without the fox, as said by Kakashi during his Shadow Clone training.

And why would we have heard about it? Why would someone have mentioned it? It was just recently proved that Minato was Naruto's father, sure, there was the appearance, but it was never proven, and nobody, including Jiraiya, ever told Naruto who his father was.

And just because it wasn't said outright means nothing, even though it is pretty evident that that was what he meant. "I can tell that the fire of the Senju clan dwells in you. I can see the First Hokage in you. Senju and Uchiha, Fire and Hatred, Naruto and Sasuke." That pretty much is saying "You're a Senju kid!"
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