Originally Posted by gama-sennin
It is impossible to have a 3D argument in BG. This isn't like WS where we have a judge to decide the winner. If we go by some logic that somehow enables X to get prep then we will never be able to debate as everyone will be able to create their own scenarios.
It is perfectly possible. What you all want is some miracle system that correctly proves who can beat who. It doesn't exist.
You have the BG's shitty system of comparing feats and ignoring any actual logic in a battle, and then you have the system of applying actual logic to a debate which usually ends up with people throwing scenarios around at each forever. Both of them have their faults. All this is-is the same song I've seen before. One side likes it the way it is, the other wants the change the rules so it isn't so stupid, then when the progression is shown, they say it's impractical. Well news flash, there is no miracle system. You can either have impractical debates or debates that prove absolutely nothing about the characters.
As it is, anyone that debates in the BG using feats and other statistical crap as the all-ending rule and actually believes that their argument proves something, doesn't care about who can actually beat who. They care about beating the other people in their BG circle to give themself a sense of superiority. The other alternative is that they are too moronic to understand that the current system is a horrible way of judging a characters ability to battle someone. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and will assume it's to feel superior.
It's embarrassing to see people think X can beat Y because X has more feats, or is faster. Ok, sure, X can beat Y if both of them are in a void in space and time, standing in one spot, and only use their feats, and Y doesn't bother to use any of the number of powers they have (lul he got blitz obviously he can't even attempt to do anything that might by sheer luck work). That doesn't prove sheet about the actual characters, that proves you know statistics better than someone else. Sometimes I wonder if BG'ers even realize how utterly stupid that kind of thinking makes the BG as a whole look. And hell, it's not even like logical debates prove much more when it's all speculation and theoretical scenarios, but at least they attempt
to apply real logic instead of using a bunch of stats like they were fighting in a damn video game.
I've always found it funny that someone would say to me "Well at least our way has the ability to end a debate instead of going on forever". Yes, good for you, you ended a debate that was pointless because it didn't prove anything about the characters when the whole point of the debate was to prove something about the characters
. Both of them are a waste of time in the end, but at least logical debates have
the ability to prove something, even if they often times never get to it and even then it isn't all that much
Anyways, rant over. You can either have one system or the other, they can't exist in harmony together. They are two extremes, feats are on the left, logic is on the right, all you can do is shift the scale toward one side more than the other. Though something ironic to keep in mind, logic is just a superior version of feats, which is why I said it's a progression, not a change.