How the new tier system will work in the BG.
 

Okay, so the Council's been discussing and whatnot, and we pretty much agreed that all this would be the standards for being in higher tiers.

You can and will be demoted if you fail to uphold debating standards within the highest tier you're in, are nominated for demotion, and it's decreed. Your posts in lower tiers need only contain the standards of that tier. (For example, if you're a Mid Tier debater, you can post things like "Sasuke wins" without any reasoning as long as its in the No Tier. If you did something like that in the Mid Tier, and often enough, you could be demoted for failing to uphold the Mid Tier standards. It's half the point of the tiers, after all.) Standard forum rules will apply to all tiers and forums.

Expect tiers and the like to go into effect sometime within the next few weeks. New forums will be created, such as one for Narutoverse only threads, one for Multiverse matches (AKA Matches in between universes), and matches from two characters within a single universe (excluding Narutoverse as it already has its own forum for that). Once all the basic forums and tiers are up, all the threads in the current BG (except for Stickied ones) will be deleted, removed, or whatever we decide to do with them. Just so the new tier system can get a fresh start. Besides, it'd be way too hard trying to organize all the current threads into the new BG forum divisions, so keeping them stored makes it easier to begin.

Although I just want to point out that no one should expect any immediate changes. Getting all this set up, and ranking everyone up to the proper tiers, will take some time, so it's likely no one will even make it past the "No Tier" for at least a few weeks. During that time, rules like locked stomp threads and no one word posts will still apply, but will be removed once tiers fill up a little more to keep in line with the organization.

So, any questions, comments, stuff like that?

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On getting in on the top tier, when you say challenging and beating a top tier member, you mean in Debate Tournament style or what? That's not realy clear.

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Low Tier should have more requirements other than No flaming or trolling.

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Probably in a debating match or something similar.Like? The Lower Tiers are meant to be more free and open. The Low Tier would basically just be what the BG is now without locked threads and deleted posts.

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Finally, this is going to be up. :p

That said, I know this sounds dumb,but the red confuses me a bit. :/

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I just removed it. It was kinda contradictory since it is a tier and automatically means participation in tiers.

I'm excited, too. Hopefully it'll be mostly set up by the end of the month. No promises, though.

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like
Made at least 4 descent threads
Is some what active in the BG
Made 1 good thread
Had 1 some what good debate

stuff like that. other wise the whole forum will get into that group or no tier

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Personally, I'd rather not judge it by number of decent threads. People's opinions on that can differ greatly, and some threads can be misjudged. Also, I don't think having good debates needs to be a factor. A lot of the BG is merely entering a thread and stating your opinion. Usually half of the people in the BG don't stick around for a debate, even though some of their post's quality is well above that of other members. Although since no flaming is a general given among the BG, no trolling is really the only requirement. There could be more requirements for the tier. However, in general, not much should be required to gain access to the Low Tier. At least in my opinion. Just because, you know, it's the Low Tier.

No Tier is meant to be default.

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:cry: You said weekish,maybe two. D:< False advertising! >.>

I has a question about the specifics of going up tiers. Yes I might seem like I am fixated on them by asking this,but they are there.

Can you define trolling? I seem to see a bit of arguing between anyone in th BG's,but sometimes there seems to be the term of "wanking". Is this synonymous to Flaming/trolling? If so, does it only occur when you support the losing side too much? Ex: Grimjow versus Byukuya

Making decent threads, this is kinda hard to do sometimes. How many can you mess up on before you're considered a pest of sorts? I am assuming that the decent thread requirement is to keep stomp threads out of the higher tiers,yet you need to make threads in order to advance.

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Well, if we get it all organized and set up and worked on, I only expect it to take about 2 weeks. However, things rarely take exactly as long as expected. The WS took a year when, at many points, people thought it would come out soon. Okay, I edited it to say "A few weeks" so people don't get their hopes up.

The tiers technically don't exist yet. However, they'll (probably) be created soon. That is, if we've already finished up with everything that needed to be done before that. I can't think of anything right now, but you never know.

Wanking is supporting a side that will clearly lose too often. Now, in some cases, it can be totally based on opinion, but in many cases, such as Konohamaru VS Whitebeard, supporting Konohamaru would be wanking. Now, I don't know about everyone else's definition, but I define trolling as purposefully supporting a losing side in order to flame bait someone else. It happens, but not too terribly often.

Well, in general, you'd be expected not to make threads too often. Say, maybe 25% of your threads are stomps, at worst, to get into the Mid Tier. It'd be like you do make stomps, but not so often that your threads get locked left and right. Tiers are a new thing to the BG, so we'll probably still be working out some parts of it weeks into the implementation of it.

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All right I understand, things come up and delay progress. xD Thanks for the clarification and stuff.

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Very interesting.I completely forgot about this.......I just realized I'm no good at in depth posts.

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I want to add that if you want to say a character is what speed you need to post proof.

I rarely see people do that. Everyone just say stuff like omg he speedblitz because hes Hypersonic+. No proof provided.

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There really is no proof unleash Kishi illustrates something like a sonic boom to at validate a sonic evaluation. :/

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Well then how can people say that they're supersonic, hypersonic etc? :/

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That'd be difficult to implement, though. The speed proof rule. People hardly know how to produce valid speed calcs and estimations, so making it so that people must provide proof for speeds would only make implementing tiers harder. That's a reform for later. Personally, I think that kind of thing should be headed by members of the BG concerned with such a matter. I, myself, wanted to make a thread on it for a while. In my opinion, a set of logical rules should apply to a speed calculation, like: Unless otherwise proven, a character or attack that has not produced a Sonic Boom is not Supersonic. You know, because a Sonic Boom is a given characteristic of Supersonic movement, so logically speaking, something that hasn't produced one isn't Supersonic.

According to Wikipedia, college-age students react to visual and auditory stimuli in an environment in under 200 milliseconds on average. In other words, 1/5 of a second. Of course, in a battle, there'd be more movements involved after reacting, but an ordinary person could react to someone and block an attack within maybe half a second, given enough distance.

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If I may ask,where do you(or the people making the calculations) get the basis to make said Calculations? How does a manga panel convey a quantifiable speed? I say this because I don't see how a vague picture from a manga panel providing a distance to calculate in the first place. :/

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Bacon, the process behind determining calcs is one that I am not familiar with, and of what I am aware, it is rather confusing and cumbersome.

Like D330 said, I think a speed tier thread would work out well for some of the more popular verses,
Naruto, Bleach, OP, etc.

That way, there would be a reliable source of which characters are faster, instead of everyone having to dtermine their own calcs.

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What is the point of making a speed tier list when we have the MBVG that presents each characters speed. Technicalities on who is higher end and who is lower end can be debated in the thread.

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Because their are so many characters that fall within the same category that it would be hard to distinguish them.

For example.
Both Yommari and Ulquiorra are hypersonic+

Except one is massively massively faster.