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TheBlackChidori 08-15-2009 03:09 PM
War
 
Simple discussion. I read all these topics and see you guys giving your opinions on the subject.

But seriously, what do you know about war? None of you have ever experienced it first hand. None of you have ever seen how necassary it can be, and how out of hand it can also get.

What makes you think you have the right to question war?

itachifan100 08-15-2009 03:11 PM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori (Post 899080)
Simple discussion. I read all these topics and see you guys giving your opinions on the subject.

But seriously, what do you know about war? None of you have ever experienced it first hand. None of you have ever seen how necassary it can be, and how out of hand it can also get.

What makes you think you have the right to question war?
The US CONSTITUTION lol xD:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Spark 08-15-2009 03:13 PM
Re: War
 
war most of the time isnt necesary but it is necesary when terroist attack your country because if you dont attack back it shows weakness

Chromekatana 08-15-2009 03:14 PM
Re: War
 
My Bro is in the mitia,over in Iraq I believe. He tells me about all these rules they have,like you can't shoot first...you can't use overkill weapons like the Barret 50.Cal. and such.


I don't question war,but how its done...

Raiden 08-15-2009 03:17 PM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori (Post 899080)
Simple discussion. I read all these topics and see you guys giving your opinions on the subject.

But seriously, what do you know about war? None of you have ever experienced it first hand. None of you have ever seen how necassary it can be, and how out of hand it can also get.

What makes you think you have the right to question war?
well I'm all down for war as long as it helps the USA, I'm all down for the darft, my famly has seen war, I have seen how war can distory someone, my uncle want to the Veitnam war and his life was distoryed, but hey what can you do he's seen all of his friends blow up in front of him, baseaclly Im down with war, and i hate the people who say war is stuped, if war was stuped then people wouldnt die in it
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Originally Posted by itachifan100 (Post 899098)
The US CONSTITUTION lol xD:lol::lol::lol::lol:
you are right about the constitution

TheBlackChidori 08-15-2009 03:59 PM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromekatana (Post 899117)
My Bro is in the mitia,over in Iraq I believe. He tells me about all these rules they have,like you can't shoot first...you can't use overkill weapons like the Barret 50.Cal. and such.


I don't question war,but how its done...

It's true, it's called the Rules of Engagement, and we are the only country in the world that follows it. The only way you can shoot is if they raise their weapon at you, which is ridiculous since you can be killed long before reacting to that.

.50 cal can still be used, but only during extreme circumstances like an ambush. But this is for good reason since it would turn a head inside out....

Kuroda Taishi 08-15-2009 05:42 PM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by itachifan100 (Post 899098)
The US CONSTITUTION lol xD:lol::lol::lol::lol:
The internet is not owned by the United States.

Toma RNK 08-15-2009 05:46 PM
Re: War
 
As an american I feel OBLIGATED to have an opinion about any war the US enters into. It is the responsibility of every voter to ensure the government is working for it's people. It is also every voters responsibility to keep it's government in line.

I know I do not know the details of war, and so cannot (usually ) judge the actions of a soldier, but I feel an educated mind can judge the validity of the REASONS for a war, and whether or not we should send our servicemen out to fight for a given cause.

itachiuchiha85 08-15-2009 06:51 PM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori (Post 899489)
It's true, it's called the Rules of Engagement, and we are the only country in the world that follows it. The only way you can shoot is if they raise their weapon at you, which is ridiculous since you can be killed long before reacting to that.

.50 cal can still be used, but only during extreme circumstances like an ambush. But this is for good reason since it would turn a head inside out....
How long have you been in war? how long did you spend time in the war zone?

i have 5 friends that went to war, 3 marines and 2 army guys. 3 of them have gone twice to iraq and the first time that they came back they werent ... in the head yet, the second time it was different. All of them came back with different stories about what they did and how it was, only one of them said that they actually followed the Rules of Engagement, to an extent. You expect me to believe you that you actually follow this rules? The reason that i dont believe that is because it is very "dumb" to follow rules in war, specially the one that you described. I do not think that the population of the US is NOT updated FULLY to what is going on in iraq or on any other war that we are involved in, so knowing exactly if we break the rules won't ever make the headline news because it will get stopped before it reaches mainland.

I believe in war. Not in useless wars tho. And this one, to me, is a useless one.

TheBlackChidori 08-16-2009 03:01 AM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by itachiuchiha85 (Post 901554)
How long have you been in war? how long did you spend time in the war zone?

i have 5 friends that went to war, 3 marines and 2 army guys. 3 of them have gone twice to iraq and the first time that they came back they werent ... in the head yet, the second time it was different. All of them came back with different stories about what they did and how it was, only one of them said that they actually followed the Rules of Engagement, to an extent. You expect me to believe you that you actually follow this rules? The reason that i dont believe that is because it is very "dumb" to follow rules in war, specially the one that you described. I do not think that the population of the US is NOT updated FULLY to what is going on in iraq or on any other war that we are involved in, so knowing exactly if we break the rules won't ever make the headline news because it will get stopped before it reaches mainland.

I believe in war. Not in useless wars tho. And this one, to me, is a useless one.
Sometimes the rules can't be followed. Its your life or theirs. What are you gonna do, risk being shot and killed, or risk getting a court martial? I'd definitely prefer the court martial. But it all depends on your commander and if he enforces that stuff. RoE is the law, plain and simple. Marines tend not to follow it as much, hence why so many of them go to jail, and why they have the highest friendly fire rate compared to the other services combined.

People get trigger happy over there. Its a constant stressful adrenaline rush. I have spent a total of 6 months in actual war zones, lucky me. Some guys have been there for 3 years. But seriously, why do we follow rules that nobody else does? Honor? Let's let young men be killed because of honor, great.

I cant give my opinions on this war. It would be illegal for me to do so.

Nine 08-16-2009 03:07 AM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori (Post 904996)
Sometimes the rules can't be followed. Its your life or theirs. What are you gonna do, risk being shot and killed, or risk getting a court martial? I'd definitely prefer the court martial. But it all depends on your commander and if he enforces that stuff. RoE is the law, plain and simple. Marines tend not to follow it as much, hence why so many of them go to jail, and why they have the highest friendly fire rate compared to the other services combined.

People get trigger happy over there. Its a constant stressful adrenaline rush. I have spent a total of 6 months in actual war zones, lucky me. Some guys have been there for 3 years. But seriously, why do we follow rules that nobody else does? Honor? Let's let young men be killed because of honor, great.

I cant give my opinions on this war. It would be illegal for me to do so.
Is it beacause you were in the milatary?

Shkin 08-16-2009 03:40 AM
Re: War
 
i don't question war. i just empathize to those that are on the frontlines of war (our brave soldiers). they're the one who suffer most but if you really look closely its not their war to fight. they're just pawns. all the major wars are wars for economic gains of those few who sits comfortably in their mansions and smoke cigars as our brothers, low ranked soldiers risk their lives...suffer the cruelties of war. and i feel for those people who are living in the war zones...they got nowhere to go. and they got to see how everything in their life crumbles to dust.

itachiuchiha85 08-16-2009 03:56 AM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori (Post 904996)
Sometimes the rules can't be followed. Its your life or theirs. What are you gonna do, risk being shot and killed, or risk getting a court martial? I'd definitely prefer the court martial. But it all depends on your commander and if he enforces that stuff. RoE is the law, plain and simple. Marines tend not to follow it as much, hence why so many of them go to jail, and why they have the highest friendly fire rate compared to the other services combined.

People get trigger happy over there. Its a constant stressful adrenaline rush. I have spent a total of 6 months in actual war zones, lucky me. Some guys have been there for 3 years. But seriously, why do we follow rules that nobody else does? Honor? Let's let young men be killed because of honor, great.

I cant give my opinions on this war. It would be illegal for me to do so.
oh i know it is illegal. that is why, in any other time, we would have been great friends.

I know people dont follow rules, especially in wars, so why do we have to?

to me you are a cool kid, no you are. but in life you have to learn. And war, to a good kid like you, it will not teach it.

itachiuchiha85 08-16-2009 03:58 AM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shkin (Post 905047)
i don't question war. i just empathize to those that are on the frontlines of war (our brave soldiers). they're the one who suffer most but if you really look closely its not their war to fight. they're just pawns. all the major wars are wars for economic gains of those few who sits comfortably in their mansions and smoke cigars as our brothers, low ranked soldiers risk their lives...suffer the cruelties of war. and i feel for those people who are living in the war zones...they got nowhere to go. and they got to see how everything in their life crumbles to dust.
again i use one of the quotes that i live by "It is a brave's man duty to live for his country or for his country die" it is true. we are nothing but population. Ill let them die, if i knew it was for the best of the rest.

sorry nicole, i guess we finally disagree on something. hehe.

kentaru 08-16-2009 04:02 AM
Re: War
 
i have never really thought about war netherless question it i just see it as brave people serving are country

Shkin 08-16-2009 04:41 AM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by itachiuchiha85 (Post 905062)
again i use one of the quotes that i live by "It is a brave's man duty to live for his country or for his country die" it is true. we are nothing but population. Ill let them die, if i knew it was for the best of the rest.

sorry nicole, i guess we finally disagree on something. hehe.
but if your country is being run by businessmen who so uses the government to push their plans for economic gains. like creating war in the name of freedom, justice and democracy (but underneath, its all because of a huge military industrial complex who needs to save itself from goin down the drain by selling "war toys" to everybody, or its all because of oil and the greed to control it, or its a punishment for this country who disobeyed the "great one" by thinking and doing what's good for their own country). i think that is not the war that our brave men should fight for and die for.

and you don't have to be sorry to disagree with me. its your opinion and this is mine. :D

itachiuchiha85 08-16-2009 04:43 AM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by shkin (Post 905110)
but if your country is being run by businessmen who so uses the government to push their plans for economic gains. like creating war in the name of freedom, justice and democracy (but underneath, its all because of a huge military industrial complex who needs to save itself from goin down the drain by selling "war toys" to everybody, or its all because of oil and the greed to control it, or its a punishment for this country who disobeyed the "great one" by thinking and doing what's good for their own country). i think that is not the war that our brave men should fight for and die for.

and you don't have to be sorry to disagree with me. its your opinion and this is mine. :D
It comes down to this, I love my country, no matter what.

It is unfair and ... up. I know. But that is the way it is.

Shkin 08-16-2009 05:02 AM
Re: War
 
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Originally Posted by itachiuchiha85 (Post 905112)
It comes down to this, I love my country, no matter what.

It is unfair and ... up. I know. But that is the way it is.
i love my country too that's why i hate the a**holes who are using its government to satisfy their greed...
i love my country and my countrymen that's why i hate to see them being used and abused by those selfish people in the government.

itachiuchiha85 08-16-2009 05:05 AM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shkin (Post 905138)
i love my country too that's why i hate the a**holes who are using its government to satisfy their greed...
i love my country and my countrymen that's why i hate to see them being used and abused by those selfish people in the government.
The leaders of a country are not the same as the leaders of an army, hence innocent people get killed. but whateverthefuck. sigh.

Shkin 08-16-2009 05:15 AM
Re: War
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by itachiuchiha85 (Post 905142)
The leaders of a country are not the same as the leaders of an army, hence innocent people get killed. but whateverthefuck. sigh.
failed to understand this. -_- silence seems to be a good reply.


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