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mrsticky005 02-07-2013 04:17 AM

The Book May Be Better...
 
But that doesn't mean you need to be a complete jerk about it.


So here's the thing. I'm watching a video about the oversized
mace and/or flail in LOTR ROTK the movie and a debate arises
about why Eowyn was afraid--was it the ridicuously oversized
mace or the Grim Reaper wielding it? My answer was both.

And there was great cheer and celebration

But then comes in THIS GUY

He tries to be smart by talking about how in the books
Eowyn wanted to die and says the films she's a
mary sue feminist character or whatever.

So I'm just like yeah...But I was talking about the film.

But he won't have any of it.

He goes on about how Peter Jackson " cartoon-caricaturing of everything to beyond absurdity." especially the over sized mace (which we all
recognize is an over sized mace and don't exactly needed to be reminded of said fact. It's like complaining about Gut's sword being unrealistic)
And he also says and I quote the films are
"just dumbed-down feminist malarkey."

I reply that the oversized large mace is Rule of Cool
and I debate his feminist malarkey theory by saying
the changes are more likely based on profit.

He then gets all defensive and retorts that he's not an idiot
and he knows about show business. He complains about
the inaccuracy of the films and goes on to cite Harry Potter
as being more accurate to the books though he thinks
less of that story. He calls Peter Jackson a cheap
hack with no track record but just overblown production
and sfx

I point out that you can't exactly be a cheap hack and
have an overblown production. That just doesn't make sense.
I tell the dude that I didn't call him an idiot and again
remind him that I was talking about the film because
that's what the video we were commenting was about.

The guy's next comment was author withheld so I had
to reply via private message.

His comment was basically that I didn't care about the
books and the story but of course he did and compared
Peter Jackson to a pimp and the films a prostitute.
Obviously not in a positive manner.

I message him and I try to explain my point of view:
I like the books and some changes disappoint me
but I still enjoy the movies. I talk about how I
also get upset about when films don't stay true
to the original. However I try to keep things in perspective.
I try to reason with him about why I don't agree
with his low opinion of Peter Jackson or the films.

His response is to say I am a maggot that likes to eat crap (though he used another word) and I am what I eat.

I responded with a final message about how there was absolutely
no need for his rudeness and reminded him who it was that decided
they need to force their opinion upon everyone else.
Up until this point I did my best to not insult him but now I no
longer cared. So I let him have it. I let him know he was
an elitist jerk. I was tempted to use the fanboy insult and worse
but I believe that would be akin to the pot calling the kettle black.

No longer wishing to waste my time with someone who can't
act like a decent human being I blocked him after sending the message.


So please don't be like that guy.

Post your experiences about people who just need to CHILLAX.

Wooster 02-07-2013 08:07 PM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
You should have offered him some pie...or explain why the books just a poor analogy of WW II and he should read some Kishimoto instead. ;)

mrsticky005 02-14-2013 02:05 PM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wooster (Post 6480407)
You should have offered him some pie...or explain why the books just a poor analogy of WW II and he should read some Kishimoto instead. ;)

Wooster quit trolling. :p

Bacon 02-14-2013 02:11 PM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
Umm I like the book and the movies of any series which interests me. The books are more in depth from the character perspective and typically offer more information of lore and whatnot.

While the movie/animated versions bring the characters to life with a tangible visual representation. The best moments are usually the funny moments, which books just can't convey as well as a moving picture. But sometimes it's hard not to be a little disappointed in how moving pictures lack the completeness of the novel counterparts :/

mrsticky005 02-17-2013 11:24 PM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacon (Post 6496304)
Umm I like the book and the movies of any series which interests me. The books are more in depth from the character perspective and typically offer more information of lore and whatnot.

While the movie/animated versions bring the characters to life with a tangible visual representation. The best moments are usually the funny moments, which books just can't convey as well as a moving picture. But sometimes it's hard not to be a little disappointed in how moving pictures lack the completeness of the novel counterparts :/


When you see a movie based off a book you read I think it's
only natural to want to see the book "come to life".
and when stuff is omitted or changed it often sucks.

At the same the change in medium demands change.

Long speeches might work in a book because they
can provide important details.

But details in a visual work like movies are best
shown in the artwork.

Besides it's redundant to describe what we see
whereas books HAVE to describe everything
because the reader CAN'T see the world
the author imagined.

Also movies unlike books have time limits.

Though IMO what they should do is film the entire book
and then cut it to what will sell at the theaters.
While having the rest sold on special edition blu-ray.

I mean seriously the person who's gonna shelve out
the ten extra bucks for the blu-ray is gonna want
to get as much bang for their buck as they can.

Now that's not to say I think every little word and
detail should be filmed. Like I said long speeches
don't work in films. But often times you can
get a short summary of the speech that gets
the point across a lot quicker.


But then there are people who because of the smallest
detail not being in the film they freak out and lash out
at anyone who disagrees with them.

Now I'll get frustrated when stuff is left out too
and it maybe even stuff that really doesn't matter.

But I'm not gonna go to someone who likes the movie
and say they are stupid for liking the movie. No, that's stupid.

Devils Lawyer 02-17-2013 11:45 PM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
Well you know I have mixed feelings about books being written word for word in a movie. That would be fine if whole chunks wasn't removed. The fans of said book will notice immediately. So I feel why not use the story as foundation and create your own world. Give the fans something to actually look forward to vs ruining the perception of the series .

Vornmusion 03-06-2013 11:11 AM

Re: The Book May Be Better...
 
Most of the changes made to the movies were removing a bunch of boring crap. Most; some character development was lost and it shows in the latter two movies. But really what we got is probably the best we could ever hope for. One only needs to take a look through the 80's era of fantasy movies to see what 'could of been' (spoken as a self proclaimed fan of that genre, Krull <3); we should all be thankful we got what we did.

Though I have no problem saying that the 80's fantasy genre was far more visually magical and appealing than every other modern non-LOTR fantasy movie. :mrgreen:


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