Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage (Post 6289974)

No way Hashirama can make a giant forest before Kurama can use a TBB. He'd also be putting all of his villagers to sleep if he used the technique.
Why do you say this?? Hashirama protected himself from a TBB last time with his wood dome! Hashirama is the best at using wood style so he can instantly create a forest to put Kurama to sleep or at least weaken it. Who cares if all of the villagers were put to sleep! As long as Kurama is not causing damage and since the pollen does not hurt the villagers everything is okay! Hashirama just has to not get spoted by Kurama and then grow his trees.

Hashirama has not been shown to be able to counter a TBB. This is canon only, Generations fanfic feats are not allowed.
But it is possible. Afterall Hashirama fought Kurama before and other bijju and tamed them and most likey the bijju used a TBB during the fight

Hashirama would be obliterated by a TBB before he could do anything. Assuming he could survive a TBB, Tobi would just warp him away. Advent takes time to use and would be destroyed by a TBB explosion. Tobi easily warps Hashirama away due to Hashi having neither the speed or knowledge to counter the tech.
Tobi waited after Kurama used a TBB to attack! So when Hashirama uses Advent of following trees it would prevent Tobi from attacking. Hashirama can avoid being spoted from Kurama then raise the trees without Kurama finding his position. Then the pollen would K.O. Kurama or at least bind it so it would be easier to seal! hashirama was the master of the bijju so Hashirama is the best in this situation! He dealt with all of the bijju and knows what to expect

Hashirama doesn't have any sealing techniques that aren't related to Bijuu. He also wouldn't even know Tobi was near him until he'd grabbed him and at that point it's over. Even if by some miracle Hashirama was able to put up Advent of Flowering Trees in time and it wasn't destroyed by a TBB, Tobi's warping is done in an instant. Hashirama would be gone long before the pollen could take effect. Tobi could also hold his breath assuming Madara gave him intel on Hashirama.

Hashirama was the contolled Bijju and gave them to other villgers so Hashriama would have sealing jutsu's or some kind of way to take care of bijju's! Hashirama had great reaction time! He would notice Tobi! Tobi underestimated Minato (the fastest ninja) and so he did not warp him fast enough so Tobi would seriously underestimate Hashirama (not the slowest ninja) The pollen takes instant effect so Tobi would move slower anyhow

Yes, warping is a win. Hashirama would eventually die of starvation/old age in Tobi's dimension.
WIth Advent of folloing trees Tobi would not be able to be tangiable and get close to Hashirama in time so Tobi would have to run away since he has no long ranged ninjutsu

Originally Posted by Godaime Kazekage (Post 6290445)

We've seen how long it takes to make a forest, and it's definitely not faster than using a TBB-even it it were (and it's not) it would all get destroyed by the TBB's explosion. Wood style is not that fast. People have had conversations while watching it come towards them.
Madara would not be fast at using Wood Style when he is using it for the first time. Hashirama was faster when he used Wood Style. Just watch geneation cut scene. TBB was stoped by wood style so a forest would do it as well. Putting up a forest of K.O. pollen would K.O the enemies

I'm not sure how Hashirama survived in his fights against Bijuu-most likely by finding a way to defeat them before they could use a TBB. He also could've had help in many of the fights. There have been plenty of fodder ninja who shouldn't be able to survive against a Bijuu come out okay because they had help (examples are Karin and Kumogakure shinobi). Before you blab about him fighting against Madara and Kurama, he wasn't alone-he had Mito with him, who quite possibly had a technique similar to Kushina's/Tobi's that could restrain Kurama. As it stands, there is nothing in Hashirama's arsenal that can defend against a TBB explosion.
He did it by the cutscene in generations. It was not stated that he had help. It would have been mentioned if he did. Hashirama>Taka and Kumo!
Plus Kumo had sealing items for help . After Hashirama separeted Madara's and Kurama connections Hashirama pinned Kurama to the ground and Kurama was K.O. Mito was only used to seal Kurama and not in the battle. Did you even watch the cutscene? Wood Dome takes TBB

Once again you massively overestimate the speed of wood style, and it's not like Kurama couldn't just destroy the trees with a TBB or clawing them. How would Kurama not notice Hashirama? He noticed Minato pretty much the instant he appeared in the village.
The pollen effects are instant! They took fast effects on the kages. By the time Kurama noticed, charged up, and used TBB the forest would have been made and the pollen would be in effect. You are seriously underestamining wood syle. EVEN IF Kurama stood up or destoryed the forest around it Tobi still would be able to get in close

There would be no time after Kurama's attack for him to grow out Advent of Flowering Trees before Tobi attacks him. (There also wouldn't be a Hashirama or Leaf Village`:P)
That is why Hashirama would attack beofre Kurama attacked.;)

Your argument about sealing jutsu is once again an assumption. We use facts/feats in debates. Please give me a panel with Hashirama showing great reaction time. He would notice Tobi-another assumption, granted it's definitely possible. Hashirama has no way to escape a Tobi warp-the only way Minato could was because he has instant teleportation. Both the manga and biology contradict your statement about the pollen taking instant effect.
You assumed by saying if/could above!!
With hashirama's forest he would not have to notice Tobi cuz Tobi would be K.O due to pollen. battling them
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Bringger of Darkness Blinds Obito
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Hashirama would use a wood clone and go after Kurama. Hashirama is not going to stand still ! He would go after the bijju cuz he is used to

Your argument for every Hashirama thread is Advent of Flowering Trees. It's not nearly as good as you think it is. First, it takes time to grow. Second, it takes time to spread the pollen through the air. Third, there is a time interval between when the victim inhales it, it goes through the lungs, enters and travels through the bloods stream and then somehow affects the nervous system-this is even shown in the manga with the Kage falling through the pollen area, taking their time getting up from the ground, Mei making a few handseals and then falling asleep. (You seriously think Tobi can't warp him in that time?) Fourth, the opponent can avoid it by staying out of range or holding their breath. Fifth, it can be resisted as demonstrated by Onoki.
Finding Hashirama and chariging it and sending it would also take time. Growing plants and the time intervial is like the same thing. Tobi warped AFTER the TBB so witht he pollen already spreading it would go even faster

Originally Posted by Mangetsu Hozuki (Post 6296358)

I don't knw about you guys, and I don't know if this is the fight scene you guys are talking about in Generations,but I just watched a clip of Hashirama beating Madara/Kurama.

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6296508)

Well SHUCKS!

If this is by manga feats than Hashirama loses due to lack of feats

if this was ALL FEATS than hashirama can win this