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Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-13-2012 11:25 PM

Gaara vs Guren
 
OK here is a fight I thought would interesting and upon thinking it over I realized that it could and would be fair fight between my favorite character Gaara and the girl with my favorite Jutsu Guren.

They are at the edge of the desert on the beach, Gaara starts in the desert while Guren starts standing on the water. They start 20 meters away from each other.

They have no knowledge of each other.

Who wins?

PrinceofPeace 08-14-2012 12:08 AM

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Garra wins. He can spam sand from the sky and bring the sand from under the water

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6190669)
Garra wins. He can spam sand from the sky and bring the sand from under the water

listen I love Gaara and all, but he can't use wet sand and Guren can spam her crystal jutsu just as much as he can spam his sand. She able to turn any solid matter into crystal such as water and earth so what's stopping her from turning his sand into crystal?

BMC1994 08-14-2012 12:44 AM

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Sabaku Soso! GG Guren

seriously guren has nothing on gaara and is a filler character that should not even exist.

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 12:53 AM

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So your basically saying that Gaara wins because Guren is filler character?

I'm sorry but that isn't really a good reason to me.

BMC1994 08-14-2012 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga (Post 6190694)
So your basically saying that Gaara wins because Guren is filler character?

I'm sorry but that isn't really a good reason to me.

No that was just to express my general dislike of fillercharacters.
Gaara wins because he can attack faster, longer and from more directions then guren ever could. His Range is superior. Guren trying to attack him would only result in her getting desert burialed into Sabaku Soso. And Crushed to death. His absolute defense handles anything guren can throw at him.

How would guren even get in range of gaara (i do not remember her having long range attacks so ignore this if she does. im not going to check because of my dislike of all fillers)

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BMC1994 (Post 6190735)
No that was just to express my general dislike of fillercharacters.
Gaara wins because he can attack faster, longer and from more directions then guren ever could. His Range is superior. Guren trying to attack him would only result in her getting desert burialed into Sabaku Soso. And Crushed to death. His absolute defense handles anything guren can throw at him.

How would guren even get in range of gaara (i do not remember her having long range attacks so ignore this if she does. im not going to check because of my dislike of all fillers)

Well I really don't see why you dislike filler characters so much, but not liking them is no reason for you not to at least look up what they can do, especially if you're trying to argue the fact that they couldn't win.

To answer your question Guren had plenty of long ranged attacks and her crystal was not only able to stand up to Kakashi's lightning blade and a continuous barrage of rasengon (something that was able to break through Gaara's sand), but it was also able to trap the three tailed demon, even if it was only for a short amount of time.

If Gaara tries to crush her she could protect herself with the crimson fruit or trap him in the Jade Crystal Labyrinth. The simple fact of the matter is that Guren is able to turn solid matter into crystal so I don't really see what's stopping her from turning all the sand he throws at her into crystal.

BMC1994 08-14-2012 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga (Post 6190745)
Well I really don't see why you dislike filler characters so much, but not liking them is no reason for you not to at least look up what they can do, especially if you're trying to argue the fact that they couldn't win.

To answer your question Guren had plenty of long ranged attacks and her crystal was not only able to stand up to Kakashi's lightning blade and a continuous barrage of rasengon (something that was able to break through Gaara's sand), but it was also able to trap the three tailed demon, even if it was only for a short amount of time.

If Gaara tries to crush her she could protect herself with the crimson fruit or trap him in the Jade Crystal Labyrinth. The simple fact of the matter is that Guren is able to turn solid matter into crystal so I don't really see what's stopping her from turning all the sand he throws at her into crystal.

Because the filler characters in naruto often make no sense have powers that go against the whole manga and have pointless storys which cant lead to any importent devolopment because then it would contradict the manga.(Bleach has some decent filler characters)

On to Kakashi vs Guren. Kakashi coulve just kamuid her to tobis dimension but that wouldve been a boring fight. (another reason why i hate fillers making the original charcters seem weaker or lamer). Also the lack of handseals she needs for her jutsu is weird.

There should be a limit to the amount she can turn into crystal at a time. none of the charcters in the arc have such largescale attacks as gaara. He could simply bury her like he did to kimimaru she wouldnt be able to do much in that position.

Her crystal also seems to break easily being broken by kakashis chidori and shino bugs. Gaaras sand should be able to crush the crystal to with guren along with it.(atleast in the video i saw)

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BMC1994 (Post 6190756)
Because the filler characters in naruto often make no sense have powers that go against the whole manga and have pointless storys which cant lead to any importent devolopment because then it would contradict the manga.(Bleach has some decent filler characters)

On to Kakashi vs Guren. Kakashi coulve just kamuid her to tobis dimension but that wouldve been a boring fight. (another reason why i hate fillers making the original charcters seem weaker or lamer). Also the lack of handseals she needs for her jutsu is weird.

There should be a limit to the amount she can turn into crystal at a time. none of the charcters in the arc have such largescale attacks as gaara. He could simply bury her like he did to kimimaru she wouldnt be able to do much in that position.

Her crystal also seems to break easily being broken by kakashis chidori and shino bugs. Gaaras sand should be able to crush the crystal to with guren along with it.(atleast in the video i saw)

Well you have to understand that her crystal was only able to be broken by Shino's bugs because Shino's bugs have the ability that if any of his bugs are able to lay eggs within a jutsu they have been killed in then their children will become immune to that jutsu which was why his new bugs were able to eat away at her crystal and make it weak enough for Kakashi's lightning blade to get through, but Gaara doesn't have Shino with him so he'd have to find another way to break through her crystal.

Secondly Guren starts over the water so if Gaara even tried to bury her in sand it would only get wet and become useless.

Lastly Guren probably could have an important part in the manga because A) she has more jutsu and IMO is a lot more interesting that most or all of the female characters that are "Canon" characters in the manga and B) since the kid that she chose to protect seems to have the ability to attract tailed beast, they could have use that in the manga or at least did something with him and 10 tailed demon or something. However, I'm not going to try and get you to change your mind because there are certain manga character I don't like, like Sasuke who seems to be able to get these outrageous power boost without so much as lifting a finger or doing any kind of training and sometimes even Naruto gets on my nerves because the amount of training he does doesn't match up with the power boost he gets either, I mean the nine tailed fox excuse can only get you so far while Lee the hardest working Ninja of them all barely gets jack squat.

BMC1994 08-14-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga (Post 6190975)
Well you have to understand that her crystal was only able to be broken by Shino's bugs because Shino's bugs have the ability that if any of his bugs are able to lay eggs within a jutsu they have been killed in then their children will become immune to that jutsu which was why his new bugs were able to eat away at her crystal and make it weak enough for Kakashi's lightning blade to get through, but Gaara doesn't have Shino with him so he'd have to find another way to break through her crystal.

Secondly Guren starts over the water so if Gaara even tried to bury her in sand it would only get wet and become useless.

Lastly Guren probably could have an important part in the manga because A) she has more jutsu and IMO is a lot more interesting that most or all of the female characters that are "Canon" characters in the manga and B) since the kid that she chose to protect seems to have the ability to attract tailed beast, they could have use that in the manga or at least did something with him and 10 tailed demon or something. However, I'm not going to try and get you to change your mind because there are certain manga character I don't like, like Sasuke who seems to be able to get these outrageous power boost without so much as lifting a finger or doing any kind of training and sometimes even Naruto gets on my nerves because the amount of training he does doesn't match up with the power boost he gets either, I mean the nine tailed fox excuse can only get you so far while Lee the hardest working Ninja of them all barely gets jack squat.

Atleast we agree on sasuke :)
In the video i watched her crystal dragons were shattered only by kakashi chidori. Shino bugs come a while after that.
If we are using filler material anyway then gaara could use his Absolute Attack: Shukaku Spear and just make a few dozen of it to break through Guren Crystal Defenses. The thing is Guren has to get closer to gaara to do any significant damage. 2nd Gaaras Absolute defense will guard from any long range attacks. Gaara bacisly just has to wait and sit until Guren comes Close enough to greet her with a Sand Tsunami>Sabaku Soso. While in the mean time she gets barraged by Shakaku Spears. And his Extra Special Chakra Infused Sand.

(off topic but its true that guren is one of the more tolerable filler characters but not yuukimaru hes your standard helpless weak key/steering wheel that cant do anything but start a amazing motor (in this case 3tails) if this ever occured in the manga they would just get nuked to bits by a TBB)

Edit: Now that I think of it how would anything ever hit gaara he can just fly and barrage her with sand and tire her out.

Cult of Personality 08-14-2012 12:45 PM

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;);););). Accidentally voted for Guren. Meant to vote Gaara. b!:)

Anyway, Sand Coffin. That's all.
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Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga (Post 6190682)
listen I love Gaara and all, but he can't use wet sand

Totally ignoring all those times he continued to use sand after it was completely soaked with blood. Not to mention that they're in a fuggin desert. No shortage of sand.

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Guren can spam her crystal jutsu just as much as he can spam his sand
When Guren is capable of covering a desert with crystal in five seconds or less let me know.

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She able to turn any solid matter into crystal such as water and earth so what's stopping her from turning his sand into crystal?
Being dead for one thing.

Kakashi Hatake_Yamato 08-14-2012 12:52 PM

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Unlimited sand from the desert and beach. Gaara could easily suffocate her with all that sand.

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cult of Personality (Post 6191475)
;);););). Accidentally voted for Guren. Meant to vote Gaara. b!:)

Anyway, Sand Coffin. That's all.

Crimson Fruit or she just turns the sand he tries to crush her with into crystal


Totally ignoring all those times he continued to use sand after it was completely soaked with blood. Not to mention that they're in a fuggin desert. No shortage of sand.

for those of you who don't know what the edge of the desert means that means that beach bordering the ocean and since both sand and water are both made of solid matter that means that she doesn't have a shortage of crystal either

Also name me one time that Gaara has been able to use his sand properly when it was wet by water. That's my point, it has already been said that Gaara's sand virtually useless when its been wet by water


When Guren is capable of covering a desert with crystal in five seconds or less let me know.

she doesn't have to crystallize the entire desert, just the sand he throws as her

Being dead for one thing.

he has to be able to kill her first though now doesn't he

Don't get me wrong its not like don't believe that Gaara can somehow win, its not that at all, but because of the way that Guren's jutsu works I just don't see it being that easy.
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Originally Posted by Kakashi Hatake_Daphne Lu (Post 6191486)
Unlimited sand from the desert and beach. Gaara could easily suffocate her with all that sand.

Yes but at the same time Guren has an unlimited source of solid matter of which she can make her crystals out of and the beach and the desert aren't really two different places, its at the edge of the desert where the ocean starts so on end you have the desert and on the other end you have the ocean.

Cult of Personality 08-14-2012 01:13 PM

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Crimson Fruit or she just turns the sand he tries to crush her with into crystal
Even supposing she lives long enough to crystallize the sand, doing so would merely encase her in a coffin of her own making.

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for those of you who don't know what the edge of the desert means that means that beach bordering the ocean and since both sand and water are both made of solid matter that means that she doesn't have a shortage of crystal either
Except that Guren needs jutsus to control crystals. Gaara just needs to stand there.

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Also name me one time that Gaara has been able to use his sand properly when it was wet by water. That's my point, it has already been said that Gaara's sand virtually useless when its been wet by water
There's no practical difference between water and blood. Suggesting that mere water is all it would take to cripple him is at best utterly retarded. Kill yourself.

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she doesn't have to crystallize the entire desert, just the sand he throws as her
Even supposing she lives long enough to crystallize the sand, all that would accomplish is her being crushed to death by her own crystals. Marvelous.

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he has to be able to kill her first though now doesn't he
Not a problem since she's utterly utterly utterly outclassed.

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because of the way that Guren's jutsu works I just don't see it being that easy.
Then you are blinded by your own idiocy.

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cult of Personality (Post 6191524)
Even supposing she lives long enough to crystallize the sand, doing so would merely encase her in a coffin of her own making.

Actually it wouldn't matter because Guren isn't affected by her own crystals


Except that Guren needs jutsus to control crystals. Gaara just needs to stand there.

Unlimited ammo is unlimited ammo


There's no practical difference between water and blood. Suggesting that mere water is all it would take to cripple him is at best utterly retarded. Kill yourself.

actually I'm quite intelligent and thought you would have known better then to get into a pissing match with me by now. We all know that there is little to know difference between blood and water in the real world, however within the Naruto world they specifically pointed out that when Gaara's sand has been wet by water it becomes Virtually useless, so it doesn't matter rather you or I think that blood wetting his sand should make it useless as well or not, because it doesn't, that's just the way it is and no thanks, but I wouldn't mind if you decided to end it for yourself instead, you know put yourself out of everyones misery.

Even supposing she lives long enough to crystallize the sand, all that would accomplish is her being crushed to death by her own crystals. Marvelous.

once again Guren can't be affected by her own crystals, however is she traps Gaara in her crystal and disolves them Gaara will disintegrate

Not a problem since she's utterly utterly utterly outclassed.

Then you are blinded by your own idiocy.

cult I have proven many times that your full of sh*t so lets not try and talk about who's an idiot here

Wow and to think that I almost believed that you were no longer a total tool, thank god I didn't follow through with that compliment I was going to give you.

However since I'm not quite ready for this thread to end yet, I'll continue to make points for Guren if no one else will because I'm too much fun with this.

Cult of Personality 08-14-2012 01:34 PM

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Actually it wouldn't matter because Guren isn't affected by her won crystals


Doesn't need to be affected by them to be trapped by them.

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Unlimited ammo is unlimited ammo
And being easily killed before you can use that ammo is being easily killed before you can use that ammo.

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actually I'm quite intelligent
Stopped reading here. Such a bald faced lie means you're just going to wank your way from start to finish.

Can someone ban this wanker? Or at least lock this travesty of a thread?

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cult of Personality (Post 6191558)


Doesn't need to be affected by them to be trapped by them.

Not being affected by them means that she wouldn't be trapped by them, think sir please

And being easily killed before you can use that ammo is being easily killed before you can use that ammo.

Stopped reading here. Such a bald faced lie means you're just going to wank your way from start to finish.

would you like to tell me exactly where I lied?

Can someone ban this wanker? Or at least lock this travesty of a thread?

Oh what's that I heard, cults complaining again because someone called him on his crap?

Tell me when something new happens. Listen I'm going to tell you how this is going to go, you're going to keep insulting me and I'm going to keep poking fun at you while I debate with other people who might have something you know intelligent to say.

Cult of Personality 08-14-2012 01:42 PM

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So everyone intelligent agrees that Gaara wins handily?

BMC1994 08-14-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotarubi Hyuuga (Post 6191569)
Oh what's that I heard, cults complaining again because someone called him on his crap?

Tell me when something new happens. Listen I'm going to tell you how this is going to go, you're going to keep insulting me and I'm going to keep poking fun at you while I debate with other people who might have something you know intelligent to say.

Well to ignore the cult guy and continue the debate what if gaaras just takes flight guren would turn into a kid trying to reach for the cookie jar :P only the child gets barraged by sand rain,waves and spears.

Hotarubi Hyuuga 08-14-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cult of Personality (Post 6191575)
So everyone intelligent agrees that Gaara wins handily?

They probably do, however, jumping on the bandwagon doesn't make you smart cult, it just means monkey see monkey do and cult you are that monkey.

I don't doubt that he can win, however since I did make this thread its within my best interest to make it last and I don't think a thread where everyone is on the same side will actually last very long.

cult, you know I can do this all day right? I mean you do know that I enjoy poking fun at you right?


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