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Shikamaru Nara 12-09-2011 06:00 PM

Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Location: Open plain. However, Zabuza is able to generate as much water as he needs without the cost of chakra.
Distance: 17 meters
Knowledge: Full for Zabuza and Haku. None for Bee.
State of Mind: Bloodlust for both parties but will not stray from IC.

Conditions: Zabuza kicks it off immediately with Kirigakure no Jutsu.

Who takes this?

[Shikamaru] 12-09-2011 06:18 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Knowledge means Zabuza knows Bee is faster and stronger than him.

He will start with Hidden Mist, there is no doubt about it.

Kakashi was able to react somewhat to a mist hit by Zabuza, but the only reason he found him afterwards was his nose.

Bee does not have this. What he does have is logic, and the 8 tails will tell him this. If the mist is becoming a problem he will enter full form and blow Zabuza to nothing with whirlwind.

vonshadow 12-09-2011 06:28 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
The mist is a problem, I agree with Shika that Bee will go to full form to use whirlwind and blow them all away. Then he proceeds to seal them with ink. The problem is, can he go to full beast in time before Zabuza and Haku make their move.

[Shikamaru] 12-09-2011 06:30 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Well quite honestly, he doesn't need to seal them.

They will probably die from the whirlwind.

And yes he can. He entered it very quickly in recent chapters.

vonshadow 12-09-2011 06:36 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru] (Post 5748078)
Well quite honestly, he doesn't need to seal them.

They will probably die from the whirlwind.

And yes he can. He entered it very quickly in recent chapters.

If I remember, it was almost instant. No harm being extra careful when it comes to Zabuza. Plus if he enters full form, no way Zabuza and Haku can harm him in anyway.

[Shikamaru] 12-09-2011 06:39 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
That's true, tentacle drops probably would kill them too.

BMC1994 08-14-2012 04:16 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Bee wins as his Hachitoryu(8 sword style or 7 or whatever) would overwhelm the one sword wielding and not that fast zabuza.

Because its base he can use his jinchuriki cloak right ?a kyuubi naruto without cloaked stomped haku. So against bee with cloak haku will also get stomped ..... more.

Bee wins probably easily.

PrinceofPeace 08-14-2012 10:01 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Bee without his tails is like a fodder ninja he can not do much besides his blades and fusing them with lighting.

I say Bee is trying to find his way in the mist and Haku makes ice mirriors around him then he throws his senbon and Zabuza wraps it up with a water dragon

All of which Bee would never see coming

Kuromaki 08-14-2012 10:14 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6192452)
Bee without his tails is like a fodder ninja he can not do much besides his blades and fusing them with lighting.

Fodder ninja? Are you being serious? He owned all of Team Taka while in base.

PrinceofPeace 08-14-2012 10:17 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Taka was holding back because they did not want to kill him . They underestimated him so.... YEAH I am serious! Without his Bijuu B is nothing Special

Kuromaki 08-15-2012 11:24 AM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6192468)
Taka was holding back because they did not want to kill him . They underestimated him so.... YEAH I am serious! Without his Bijuu B is nothing Special

Bee was holding back as well, he was just screwing around, makin up rhymes. In chapter 412 Suigetsu even states that they have to fight to kill him because he's just that strong. Also despite using sharingan Sasuke got owned in a swordfight and Suigetsu, who was trained in swordsmanship, couldn't read his movements.

Uchiha Sora 08-15-2012 01:42 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6192452)
Bee without his tails is like a fodder ninja he can not do much besides his blades and fusing them with lighting.


:|....


Bee casually raped Taka in base. Yes they were trying their hardest. They didn't want to kill him, but IIRC they said they have to try hard enough to kill him to even capture him.

JLI2infinity 08-15-2012 05:13 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6192452)
Bee without his tails is like a fodder ninja he can not do much besides his blades and fusing them with lighting.

I say Bee is trying to find his way in the mist and Haku makes ice mirriors around him then he throws his senbon and Zabuza wraps it up with a water dragon

All of which Bee would never see coming

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Bee creates 10 ink clones and uses his fuinjutsu...gg.

Zabuza and Haku have no way of knowing the difference between the ink clones and ordinary clones. They try to start off the battle with taijutsu like they always do and get pwned. Zabuza was the only real threat here, Bee can just pull out his tails and sit there reading a book while tanking Haku's senbon, and if PTS Sasuke without cursed seal, sharingan, or taijutsu training beat Haku in hand to hand combat, and Taka Sasuke gave a full power kick to Bee's throat while he just stood there....:lol:

And all of Zabuza's water techniques just get absorbed by Samehada which is superior to Zabuza's Kubikiribōchō.

This match included a better swordsmen with a better sword taking one A class shinobi and one B class (arguably).

PrinceofPeace 08-15-2012 08:43 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
He can abosrb zabuza's water attacks but if he does that he can not defend froom Haku's attacks.

Haku easily takes out the ink clones with needles. Haku could have easily killed Saskue/Naruto from the get-go but she did not want to. B can not react to all of those needles

Why would Haku and Zabuza use taijutsu when they are bloodlusted and they do not specialize in it???

Bee can not use tails right? If he can then he is not in base right

And Haku was holding back

JLI2infinity 08-15-2012 09:30 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6194074)
He can abosrb zabuza's water attacks but if he does that he can not defend froom Haku's attacks.

Haku easily takes out the ink clones with needles. Haku could have easily killed Saskue/Naruto from the get-go but she did not want to. B can not react to all of those needles

Why would Haku and Zabuza use taijutsu when they are bloodlusted and they do not specialize in it???

Bee can not use tails right? If he can then he is not in base right

And Haku was holding back

1.) Partial transformation is something Bee can do in base form so yes tentacles are allowed.

2.) Haku is a boy not a girl

3.) No Haku couldn't have killed Sasuke because he tried to use taijutsu and got outmatched that was when he decided to step into his ice mirrors and take them out using his KKG, that's when he started holding back.

4.) Both of them started off with close combat. Zabuza tries to cut through the ink clone, it melts right through the sword and grabs onto him, he has 3 seconds to escape or fight's over.

5.) And this is the most important part of all, you're COMPLETELY forgetting powerscaling here, Zabuza is the only contender, I was on the verge of saying Haku gets speedblitzed but didn't want to start another debate on that. Here's the breakdown...

Haku < Chuunin Exams Sasuke < 0 Tails PTS Naruto < Three Tomoe PTS Sasuke < Base Hebi / Taka Sasuke <<< Base Bee

Even Base Bee's average feats put Haku to shame...tanking a hit from Juugo, outclassing Sasuke and Suigetsu in kenjutsu, attacking so unpredictably that the sharingan couldn't even keep up. If you add in his high end feats: fighting on par with Itachi, saving Naruto's a$$ while keeping up with multiple Edo jinchuuriki, tanking hits from A, reacting fast enough to stalemate Minato, it should be clear that this isn't even a contest.

6.) In case you forgot the ink clones are still physical beings like actual clones, all they have to do is pull out their swords and block the senbon effortlessly or dodge them which ever one is easier.

PrinceofPeace 08-15-2012 09:42 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
If Base means B can use tails then Yeah he wins

Haku Uchiha 08-16-2012 01:29 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Bee wins he has samehada and is a better swordsman

PrinceofPeace 08-16-2012 02:00 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
So how many tails can Bee use?

JLI2infinity 08-16-2012 02:50 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace (Post 6195099)
So how many tails can Bee use?

We're talking about the physical tentacles of the Eight Tails like the ones he used when he was showing Naruto how to stack the blocks on top of each other.

megabbaut 08-16-2012 02:53 PM

Re: Zabuza and Haku vs. Base Bee
 
Zabuza can just cut off his tails, can't he? A Chidori Sharp Spear was enough to cut them. And Hidden Mist is gonna confuse Bee's concentration with his 8 swords.


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