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Kuromaki 11-20-2011 08:17 PM

Itachi vs. Minato
 
Oh yes. I'm bringing back the great debate. This is another one for the tier list that people haven't fully reached a conclusion on, I think.

So far most of my threads directed at the tier list concern Itachi, I wonder why http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...es/ofc5ra1.png

Isoteen 11-20-2011 08:21 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Well it's because Itachi's recent features were arguably god like. Kidding. =) But mainly cannot be countered.

Moreover, Minato's entire technique relies solely on a Rasengan, which clearly isn't going to bust Susano.

Futhermore, Minato cannot at any point counter Genjutsu.

If we're talking BG Defaults, Minato doesn't even get a kunai out before Itachi decides to use Genjutsu.

The only reason he didn't start with Genjutsu vs. Naruto/Bee was because he still had partial control on how he attacked Naruto.

Same thing goes for Negato, he didn't even CT until Kabuto took complete control over him.

BG Defaults state witnessed knowledge, Itachi was a ninja at the time Minato was hokage. I think it's pretty clear he understood what Minato's technique was, and by all means will not underestimate it.

Minato doesn't even know Itachi uses Genjutsu.

However if Itachi does not use Genjutsu at start, I'm not sure Itachi knows that Minato can plant seals on his opponent and then warp around them.

Minato having only one speed feature, which wasn't really that great, it's arguable whether or not he'd even be able to touch Itachi before being put in Genjutsu.

Kuromaki 11-20-2011 08:24 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Itachi's recent feats are overrated. That's all I'll say on the matter. About the match though, I'm not so sure who wins so I want others' input on it.

Anyway, we're going by the tier list rules, but you could create a separate scenario with only BG Defaults if you want to.

Uchiha Sora 11-20-2011 08:26 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Actually Minato's knowledge=Naruto's knowledge since he's been watching the whole time, right?

Lone_Espada 11-20-2011 08:29 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Wouldn't Minato know that the Uchiha use Genjutsu? o.o

Isoteen 11-20-2011 08:29 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Itachi's recent features include

1. Countering RS Naruto
2. Moving behind Killer Bee
3. Forcing Bee to use a chakra extension (octopus arm) to counter Itachi
4. Capturing Bee almost instantly in Genjutsu
5. Quite formidable fire style shurikens
6. A very large Great Fire Ball

Minato isn't aware he can cast Genjutsu through the eyes, if he countered Bee and caught him, really there's no argument for Minato.

As for what was stated above, that was Minato's chakra inside Naruto. And Naruto never witnessed Sasuke or Itachi use Genjutsu via eyes. At least not until Minato's chakra was gone.

Kuromaki 11-20-2011 08:32 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
I'm sure Minato knows some things about Uchihas, considering he did lead the village in which their clan lived.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Isoteen (Post 5696797)
Itachi's recent features include

1. Countering RS Naruto
2. Moving behind Killer Bee
3. Forcing Bee to use a chakra extension (octopus arm) to counter Itachi
4. Capturing Bee almost instantly in Genjutsu
5. Quite formidable fire style shurikens
6. A very large Great Fire Ball

1. Naruto was trying to talk most of the time.
2-3. Well he was impressive.
4. Bee isn't the smartest guy xD Besides, wasn't Itachi always that good at genjutsu?
5. I liked this jutsu.
6. His fireballs were always like that.

Isoteen 11-20-2011 08:34 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
1. I could say the same for Itachi, as he clearly didn't attempt to use Genjutsu.
2-3 Cool.
4. True. But Bee was smart enough to not only understand Minato's technique instantly, but counter Minato blinking directly behind him, while he couldn't counter Itachi moving behind him without chakra arms.
5. Me too.
6. Yeah, but that recent feature was very large.

The most we can get out of the battle is the fact Kisame cannot counter Genjutsu with Samehada, as Bee clearly needed the 8 tails to break out. Although after breaking out he said "Yeeeahhh Same-hada!!!"

Which confuses me in terms of who really broke him out, the samehada, or the 8 tails.

Kuromaki 11-20-2011 08:36 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
1. Well yes but Kabuto was forcing him to use taijutsu at the time. Naruto was mainly on the defense too.

4. alright.

6. To me it always looked the same, but ok. Don't think it would help him with Minato, though.

Uchiha Sora 11-20-2011 08:36 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
You guys make phoenix fire jutsu seem like its new when we've known about it since part 1 o-o

Isoteen 11-20-2011 08:40 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora (Post 5696811)
You guys make phoenix fire jutsu seem like its new when we've known about it since part 1 o-o

Itachi combined Shurikens with his phoenix style.

Which is just kinda cool, we were saying.

Not sure if they were the large ones or just normal ones.

Uchiha Sora 11-20-2011 08:41 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Isoteen (Post 5696820)
Itachi combined Shurikens with his phoenix style.

Which is just kinda cool, we were saying.

Not sure if they were the large ones or just normal ones.

I know, Sasuke did that in part 1 lol :P

Kuromaki 11-20-2011 08:41 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
I think Sasuke did it too, but that was like all the way in part 1 where everyone forgot. So it seems new.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora (Post 5696811)
You guys make phoenix fire jutsu seem like its new when we've known about it since part 1 o-o

They looked cooler when Itachi used them ._.

Isoteen 11-20-2011 08:59 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora (Post 5696824)
I know, Sasuke did that in part 1 lol :P

Alright whatever! *cries* =(

Spoiler:
:cool:

LUCKY.KAKASHI 11-21-2011 06:38 AM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
well , the Major debate will be whatever minato will make eye contact with itachi when the battle began or not , i tried this debate allot of time with my Friend and we didn't reach any conclusion .

first lets see what is the hax feats for every one of them .

itachi :
1 - susano v2 with the sealing sword , susano dont need more talk .

2 - ms genjutsu , tsuke .

3 - extremely ruining speed , and very very extremely reaction speed .

minato :

1 _ ftg , and atag in home , so no one can kill him when companied with his very very very extremely fast reaction speed .

2 _ ultra fast base speed .

3 _ he can put tags any where only by touching it , then he can teleport to it instantly .


so in my opinion i say by feats , they are equals , and hype is more over toward minato .

so minato > = itachi

Uchiha Sora 11-21-2011 08:11 AM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose-sama (Post 5697514)
Itachi will win.
What the H E L L are you arguing about?

......mind telling them why instead of stating it with nothing to back it up...?


Minato has knowledge of the MS techniques because he saw them through Naruto. he could just jump around until Itachi runs dry and then Minato finishes him.

Kuromaki 11-21-2011 08:51 AM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose-sama (Post 5697514)
Itachi will win.
What the H E L L are you arguing about?

If you have such a problem with what we're arguing then why don't you explain why? Daamn...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uchiha_Sora (Post 5697621)
......mind telling them why instead of stating it with nothing to back it up...?


Minato has knowledge of the MS techniques because he saw them through Naruto. he could just jump around until Itachi runs dry and then Minato finishes him.

Just in case that doesn't count, he still has knowledge of the Uchihas and he at least knows Itachi is an Uchiha, right?

LUCKY.KAKASHI 11-21-2011 09:28 AM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
yes minato is the hokage of konoha , so he should know the basics of fighting uchiha , onki know that when he said to the army " don't look to madara eyes " and he wasn't from konoha , guy know it , kakashi know it , chyio said " do not battling an uhiha face to face " , so why minato who is from the same village , who mentioned to be genius , wouldn't know this info ! , and fall in the stupid trick of looking strait at an uchiha eyes !!

Isoteen 11-21-2011 11:45 AM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Not really, the Uchiha clan didn't really have MS users while Minato was alive. Even then, even the head of the clan didn't know much about the technique (Itachi's father), so presuming Minato has knowledge on ocular Genjutsu is kind of silly.

Aside from that, you can't prove Minato's chakra really gives him knowledge back once it's depleted.

Minato's chakra was destroyed when Naruto used Kyuubi chakra, which was before he really saw the brim of Itachi's full scale ability.

The closest you can get to him knowing Itachi's power would be speculation on how Kakashi got a week in the hospital, however Naruto wasn't there, and nobody really told Naruto he used Genjutsu through his eyes.

Futhermore, he used Genjutsu on Naruto once, through his finger tips, that's the best knowledge Minato gets on him.

Itachi-Returns 11-21-2011 01:29 PM

Re: Itachi vs. Minato
 
Itachi would MEGA-OWN this guy!!!!!!!!!!

-Minato has no counter to his genjutsu, which would leav Minato open for attacks while he's under the illusion.
-You can't teleport out of the Tsukuyomi.
-Yatama Mirror sealing = Goodbye
-Amaterasu can be spammed.
-BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p
-Since when could Minato pierce the Susano'o?


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