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megabbaut 11-08-2011 11:25 AM

Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
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The hype surrounding the sharingan's ability to "predict" has gotten out of hand again, so it's time to put an end to this once and for all.

People think the prediction is "soooo great" that it predicts everything their opponents will do... this is OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Before I go any further, allow me to show some of the NUMEROUS times the prediction has FAILED.

Spoiler:
If the prediction was like people say, a sharingan user would never be missing their target... esp. with melee strikes
Spoiler:

Itachi and Kakashi
Chapter 260 page 5/6.
Oh... that's right, people make excuses for a "sharingan vs sharingan" match-up.. and there's the issue that Itachi wasn't really trying to hurt anyone he fought... so disregard this example ;)

Sasuke and Deidara
Chapter 357 page 7/8/9:
Failed to predict Deidara would evade like he did... he missed Deidara. people like to say he aimed for Tobi and just wanted to get Deidara to talk... well that is a wrong fact right there. He tired to cut them both... MAYBE he didn't intend to FATALLY cut Deidara, but he still tried to cut him. Especially considering that Deidara provoked him. But if you still deny this, fine, the next continues to support it failing...

Chapter 357 page 13/14/15:
Before you say "the sharingan predicts the movements of beings, not inanimate objects" understand what I'm say he failed to predict! He did NOT predict that Deidara, a guy who has been using explosives, was going to throw *something* over his shoulder. If he had done so, he wouldn't have gotten hit by the blast AT ALL, cause he would have moved before it was thrown.... unless you're going to argue that it was a calculated risk and that Sasuke took needless damage... to which my response is: "`|("

Kakashi and Pein (Tendou)
Chapter 420 page 9
Regardless of the fact that Pein affected Kakashi with the rinnegan, it's a fact that he didn't predict the dodge Pein did. It's not merely Kakashi being controlled, because his hit landed where he first threw it. But if that's still not good enough...

Kakashi vs Pein (Aura + Tendou)
Chapter 422 page 9:
No excuses can be made here. It FAILED to predict the dodge... again.


The sharingan user would never be hit
Spoiler:

Kakashi vs Zebus
Chapter 13 page 4/5:
Failed to predict that kick... if not, it wouldn't have hit him.

Kakashi vs Kakuzu and Hidan
Chapter 334 page 3/4.
Failed to predict Kakuzu's kick... from directly in front of him. Sure, Kakashi let his guard towards Kakuzu down, but that doesn't excuse the sharingan from automatically predicting the attack for him.

Kakashi vs Pein
Chapter 420 page 8.
Failed to predict the attack. Sure he can't predict the blade blade, but that's excuse, sorry.

Sasuke vs Killerbee
1) Chapter 411 page 14/15.
Failed to "predict" the attack... which is why he only just barely escaped it, and ended up being grazed.

2) Chapter 411 page 18.
Failed to predict the attacks... all the excuses about being surprised by Killerbee having raiton fall on deaf ears for them being such sorry excuses.

3) Chapter 413 page 10/11.
Sasuke may have been tired... but he still didn't predict the attack. I'd actually accept this excuse if there was ANY TYPE of panel of Sasuke saying something like "!... I can't evade it" or something like that.. but all we have is him being owned here. No excuse for it not being predicted.

Sasuke attacking Raikage and his attendants
Chapter 461 page 2.
He failed predict that Darui was going to do a jutsu... unless his field of vision is smaller than a MGS1 genome soldier (lol), there's no excuse for only noticing who hit him with this attack until AFTER he's hit by it.

Sasuke vs Raikage
1) Chapter 463 page 3.
Failed to predict the grab Raikage is doing in the bottom left panel...

2) Chapter 463 page 13.
Failed to predict Raikage's dodge... even with the MS activated...


Now let's see when it's been effective... and let's pay attention this time!
Spoiler:

Sasuke vs Naruto (at the VOTE)
1)
Chapter 230 page 6/7/8.
"When he moves with the subtle way power enters his body, the image of his next movement appears before my eyes"
he "predicts" the movements by reading the way power enters the opponents body
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, attack.
2)
Chapter 230 page 9/10.
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, attack.
3)
Chapter 230 page 11/12.
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, attack.
4)
Chapter 230 page 13/14.
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, circling to get behind the opponent and attack.
- To better explain what happened... Naruto jumped out of the water towards Sasuke on page 13, then Naruto tried to circle him before attacking... it still failed as Sasuke predicted the movements perfectly.
5)
Chapter 231 page 4/5.
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, circling to get behind the opponent and attack.
-Sasuke predicts this perfectly up until:
Chapter 231 page 6.
The chakra itself attacks him.

here...
Chapter 231 page 7.
...Sasuke clearly says he can't predict that type of movement with the sharingan... that being the movement of the chakra... which shows that the sharingan CAN'T predict the movement of inanimate objects.

But did you notice a pattern?
No?
Ok... let's see some more ...

Sasuke vs Raikage
Chapter 463 page 1.
type of movement in the links?
linear, dashing from distance, attack.
Even against Raikage.. who's speed is FAST at all the "modes" we've seen him at.

Still haven't figured out the pattern yet? Fine I'll give it away here:
Sasuke vs Killerbee
Chapter 413 page 4/7.
linear, dashing from distance, attack.
Wow... Sasuke states: "He's definitely get both speed and power... but he moves in a straight line... I have no trouble seeing him with these eyes."


It should be obvious by now (at least) that the sharingan isn't that great at predicting non-linear attacks from close range.
Notice how ALL the attacks that hit a sharingan user or all the dodges that made a sharingan user miss in the above links were at close range... and notice how ALL the instances where sharingan prediction played a part, the enemy was dashing from a distance with a linear attack.

So......... all the hype about "sharingan taijutsu" (which isn't even a style to begin with) being so "OMFG awesome no one can beat a sharingan user in taijutsu due to prediction" can STOP, right now!


What the sharingan is doing is essentially NO BETTER than what Kimimaro did with normal eyes
Spoiler:

Chapter 210 page 13/14.
notes that lee's attacks while sober were linear... "coincidentally"... Kimimaro dodged them effortlessly. later in the fight, when lee is landing attacks on Kimimaro...
Chapter 211 page 7.
he notes that his attacks are unpredictable...

Hmmm... seems to me that Kimimaro says:
"linear attacks = predictable"... just like the sharingan's "prediction" abilities seems to say ... except the sharingan projects an image to the user.


In the end, the sharingan's prediction is a SLIGHT (yet useful) upgrade on it's, already had, ability to read the opponent.
This ability... this insight... is possessed by the sharingan at all it's forms (at least from 2 tomoe anyway). When the attack is NOT linear and from a distance... the sharingan doesn't "predict" it... it can only read it on the same level as the two tomoe sharingan (which is good anyway, to be honest).

Questions? Comments? Opinions?

Warrior3 11-08-2011 11:29 AM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Finally! a thread that is 100% true. lol
Sharingan is the most overrated thing in the whole Narutoverse.

megabbaut 11-08-2011 11:56 AM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
^ Yep.

Warrior3 11-08-2011 12:04 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Sharingan is overpowered, sure it's awesome but I don't get it why everyone is so crazy about it? I mean there are plenty of other jutsus/powers which are awesome as well.

PathatreNL 11-08-2011 12:15 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
its to keep the serie exciting, you are right tho. it is overated, its like the rinnegan is nothing anymore xD

Vivi 11-08-2011 12:16 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
OP clearly doesn't know that Sharingan doesn't predict but percept which is a completely different thing.

And its far from overrated.

megabbaut 11-08-2011 12:47 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivi (Post 5670133)
OP clearly doesn't know that Sharingan doesn't predict but percept which is a completely different thing.

And its far from overrated.

Oh really? From what I've seen it's pretty overrated.

Percepting is something that you use to predict.

Warrior3 11-08-2011 01:03 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
^This

Sharingan19 11-08-2011 01:06 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Boooooooooooo, Sharingan is awesome. Your all just jealous. Is Mangekyou Sharingan overrated? I don't think so.

sagemaster777 11-08-2011 01:10 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Percepting=Predicting?
Perception: the process of attaining awareness or understanding of the environment by organizing and interpreting sensory information.

Predict: to foretell the future

Warrior3 11-08-2011 01:13 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
why should I be jealous of Sharingan? lol
i never said it was lame or smth but IMO Rasengan rules!

megabbaut 11-08-2011 01:30 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sagemaster777 (Post 5670224)
Percepting=Predicting?
Perception: the process of attaining awareness or understanding of the environment by organizing and interpreting sensory information.

Predict: to foretell the future

Pretty sure the ''percepting'' category would fall into the definition of the Byakugan.

And perception leads into prediction. After you organize and interpret sensory information, you come up with a hypothesis, or a prediction.

Maruko 11-09-2011 12:58 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
It's overpowerful not overrated xD

Shadowterra 11-09-2011 01:52 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
The Sharingan "helps" predict the opponents movements.

I see the Sharingan as advanced reflex's of the human eye.Like when you fall over and your about to hit the floor you put your hand out to stop yourself from getting hurt.The sharingan does the same but faster so it "predict" your opponents movements

Either that or its the reverse of an after image (like a before-image)

Maruko 11-09-2011 01:54 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Yeah,it kind of ''exists'' in the real life,everyone has more sensitive reflexes in stressful situations.

But that kekkei genkai is OP when it evolves to MS

Shadowterra 11-09-2011 01:57 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
And in the pain fight when everyone knew about MS they all said that the Rinnegan is OP

Isoteen 11-09-2011 01:57 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
In my opinion it's highly underrated.

It's by far the most powerful ocular Jutsu in the entire manga.

Rinnegan being the only comparison.

We saw the sharingan's ability when Obito instantly was able to keep pace with Kakashi after receiving it.

Also, when Sasuke's Sharingan developed during his battle with KN0 Naruto. He was able to keep pace after being beat during most of the battle.

It clearly has a prediction feature.

Not only does it enhance your ability to copy every element, like the Rinnegan, but it enhances prediction and taijutsu as well. Rinnegan fails in that comparison.

We saw the use of the sharingan in its most powerful form with Madara. If you're calling that hype I'm not sure how to help you.

There's not one sharingan user who is slow. Reason being their reaction features are improved when using it.

Shadowterra 11-09-2011 02:22 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Isoteen (Post 5672175)
It clearly has a prediction feature.

NOT ONLY does it enhance your ability to copy every element, LIKE THE RINNEGAN, but it enhances prediction and taijutsu as well. Rinnegan fails in that comparison.

Yet the Rinnegan seems NOT to be op

Ishtar 11-09-2011 02:24 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
Zohmygod, liek seriously~

That is totally my line. Uh. I'm being serious bronies and honies.

But on topic. >__>

Sharingan keeps the series interesting at least.

Maruko 11-10-2011 01:06 PM

Re: Sharingan is overrated...like seriously.
 
and it keeps Uchihas overpowered since they are born!


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