I made no excuses for Tobirama and what he did, I didn't think it was OK, but I do understand why he did it, just like I understand why Hashirama did what he did, but the bottom line is they both shouldn't have done what they did in the first place. In the end just as Tobirama really had no reason not to trust the Uchiha, even with their mental condition being a possible treat. Hashirama had no reason to go after the Bijuu and he should have just left them alone, so yes I am saying that it was wrong of him to go after them. not it is not normal for people to walk up to beast and talk to them, but Hashirama was far from Normal and need i remind you that many of the boss summons are about the same size as a tailed beast so if they can walk up to them and talk to them then the tailed beast should have been no exception. Hashirama didn't even try to understand them and that is where he messed up.
I didn't say that what Tobirama did was OK, but it was not out of disgust either, you keep saying that it would have been dangerous for Hashirama and Selfish of him to keep all the Bjiuu, but the bottom line is that he didn't need to capture them in the first place the Bjiu could talk to people as well they talked to the sage of six paths who was not their jinchuuiki and Sasuke heard Shukaku talk when he was fighting Naruto and Gama. The tailed beast were not bothering anyone so Hashirama did not need to bother them.
The beast can not speak in plain English its JAPANESE!!! JK , but seriously a tailed beast has only spoke to their jinjuriki or though their jinjurki. A bijju has never straight up talked to someone they had no connection to. I still do not see someone walking up to a beast and saying hello. It’s not human nature. I know I could never do that especially after Madara used it. What chp did you get that info from cuz I looked and I could not find it. Were did Kurama say he did not want to talk to anyone. Bijju can just talk to and though their host.
What are you trying to say? That going after the bijju was wrong or sharing them? Nothing good would have come of keeping the bijju for himself. It is selfish and dangerous. Other villages would have wanted the bijju as well and come after the beast. It would start a war of the leaf village vs Everyone else. The leaf would be in constant danger and under attack. Plus it would be hard to contain all of those bijjus. It would be a disaster if the beast broke out of the jinjuriki. And it would be risky to not capture the bijju. That would mean that anyone may get to the bijju and use them. It would be a gamble to risk that nobody else had the ability to control them. Hashirama took precautions(….something you say Tobirama likes to do) and got the bijju before others could.
I agree that he did not do that out of disgust but that still does not make it right. He still should have trusted him. Ever since they betrayed Madara tobirama had no reason to still bare caution. Afterall there were a lot of clans in his village but he only watched over the Uchihas. It is not right nor fair. The Uchihas earned their trust.THE POINT IS- There was no need for Tobirama to watch over them and distance them from the village while the other clans get off free. It’s not fair. The uchiha did not cause any recent trouble and Hashirama trusted them. They are easier to negotiate with than a beast. Tobirama changed from a boy who wished to talk things out to a dictator who did what he wanted.
Once again he did not watch them out of disgust, he watched them out of caution which I have already told you before and Tobirama even pointed that out himself in the manga.
Kumo used SOSP Item but as stated in the manga the 8 tails kept getting out so they did have any control over it at all until people started making Jinchuuriki. No one other than Madara, Hashirama and Obit have ever had control over Bijuu and Obito wouldn't even be a issue is Hashirama hadn't captured them and started the great shinobi world wars.
It would have been easy to understand them because as shown in the manga the tailed beast can all speak in plain english and Kurama even pointed out that he was the way he was because people kept sealing him and didn't even bother to try and talk to him or understand him which was the case with all the tailed beast, he said that when Madara took control of him he only hated him, but he started to hate everyone else after what they constantly kept sealing him away.
Overall:Hashirama's mistake was Madara sneaking past him
Honestly if Hashirama did not get to the beast first somebody would sooner or later. Kumo ninja's used S06P tools to control the beast and Sumo ninja had a jar and sand to control the beast. idk how Hashirama would talk to them do you? And capturing them first was the safest option then leaving them to the unknown
-ET (still yet to be justified but using sacrifices and disturbing the dead is wack)
-Police force (I still do not agree but I understand)
-watching them (so over the top and uncalled for)
The uchiha did nothing to deserve this fate. They worked with the village peacefully.
Agreed. They did not fight with other clans at much yet all the clans were still at war with each other. TObirama had a lot of foregin and possibly enemey clans yet he only watched the Uchiha. Seems a bit unfair. Especially when the uchiah did no wrong like the other clans.
I dont see how one would try to learn about a beast? How would he reason and talk with it?
How would Hashirama do that? He had to get to the bijju before an enemy did. It is harder to reason with a beast than a human. Tobirama did not have to watch over them in distrust. It was not needed. They did not deserve it after ditching Madar
Now while it is true that he fought with the other clans as well it was already stated in the manga that the Uchiha was the Senju's rival, that in almost every battle the Senju was in it was 9 times out of 10 going to be the Uchiha which means he did not fight the other clans as much.
While yes Hashirama did not know anything about the tailed beast, he never tried to know anything about them either, no he didn't know if anyone other than the Uchiha could control them and as proven there were not.
They both messed up and it's not Ok for you to say that Tobirama shouldn't have done this, but it was alright or Hashirama to do that.
-Yes they have been at war with the uchiha....but also all of the OTHER tens of clans in the leaf village. It was not just a war with the Uchiha but all the clans.Yet Tobirama trusted them. I just find it hard to believe hard for Tobirama not to trust them when Hashirama did and the Uchiha has not caused trouble since. Thier "medical condition" only activates when they are bothered so Tobirama should have just let them be
-Yes the same COULD also be said about Hashirama. Hashirama just got finished with constant war. There is a WHOLE shinobi world out there. And Hashirama only knew of one that could control bijju. Who knows who else could or what tools they had. It was best for Hashirama to take control of them before someone else used them for evil. Hashirama like you say Tobirama was just being cautious. Yet Tobirama knew more about his people (uchiha) than anyone knew about the tailed beast. So it would have been easier to negoiate with people than beasts.