Lee Vs Hidan

[SimpleGenin]

Location: Training Field

Starting Distance: 20 Meters

State of Mind: Lee = Bloodlust Hidan = In Character

Restriction: None

Hidan = No Knowledge

Lee = Full Knowledge

[Legend]

Lee "speedblitzes" using Eight Gates. Hidan's attacks were already to admittedly be slow(Chapter 312 p.4)

[Sagepain]

Lee opens his gates and destroys Hidan.

[SimpleGenin]

So Lee is above jonin level?

[Sagepain]

So Lee is above jonin level?

no he's above hidan's level.

Hidan may have been a jonin, but every village promotes there ninja differently.

[SimpleGenin]

Hidan is a casual High Jonin.
Meaning Lee is above a Mid Jonin at the very least.

[Legend]

Hidan is a casual High Jonin.
Meaning Lee is above a Mid Jonin at the very least.

No. Lee isn't even a Special Jonin, more like a Chuunin. He's never won a fight, except against Sasuke. But, anyways when they fought Kisame, he did absolutely nothing. He's a monster in Gates, but that isn't everything.

[SimpleGenin]

No. Lee isn't even a Special Jonin, more like a Chuunin. He's never won a fight, except against Sasuke. But, anyways when they fought Kisame, he did absolutely nothing. He's a monster in Gates, but that isn't everything.

If Lee really does beat Hidan, then by logic, Lee is on par with S class criminals/Akatsuki. It is said that every Akatsuki members are above Jonin level that includes Hidan.

[Vivi]

Hidan Kept up with Asuma who Kept up with Kakshi who owns Gai, who is lee's teacher.

Lee goes for a attack, has no effect due to Hidan being unkillable, and get his head cut off.

No curse needed.

Except this isn't Dragonball where A>B>C Logic doesn't apply.
Especially when Kakashi and Guy have their rivalry ongoing and are quite even.

Lee goes for an attack, and has an effect as being unkillable doesn't mean your Bones can't get broken.Lee in Gates was able to annihilate Gaara's Sand with pure Power while Sasuke needed Chidori to get past it.Especially with Full knowledge and none for Hidan.
And head Cut off?Not gonna happen when the Scythe was made for little Injuries so the Opponent can bleed.

Curse is needed.Not gonna happen when Lee enters Gates.Heck even Base might be enough considering he was capable of hitting Haku in Mirrors.

[SimpleGenin]

In the original Naruto Anime/Manga, Lee moved much faster then Hidan WITHOUT going into gates mode.

[SimpleGenin]

He got his ass owned by Garra, who was standing still.
So? That has nothing to do with this fight. Gaara was one of the main antagonist at the time, he had to win + he had the one tailed inside him.

Lee (Genin) showed much more speed then Hidan (+Jonin) ever did.

[Uchiha Sora]

He got his ass owned by Garra, who was standing still.

IIRC, not after he removed his weights... And after he used Hidden Lotus he was too weak and he could barely move.

[SimpleGenin]

Excuses, he didn't even use the One Tails power, only the sand in his gourd.

LMAO, That's why Kimmmaru [ High Join] owned him using basic Taijustu.

Hidan, cuts his head off due to Lee having no knowladge on how to really fight only head on. Hidan has showed reaction speeds on par with Kakashi. And Kakashi pretty much would beat Lee hand to hand.

Then who was "automatically" protecting Gaara? PnJ thats why Gaara won.

Lee's a bad match up for Kimi. Plus, Lee was weakened by what Gaara did.

Lee showed faster movement then Kakashi when the weight was off.











What Im trying to find out is, if Lee(Chunin/Genin) can really beat an S class criminal by himself.

[Naruto the "Yellow Flash"]

Hidan, is more likely to win since his experience in battles dates back to the first hokage. He also has some crazy ass moves, and 5 hearts that includes all 5 elements too. But if Lee went all out drinking a bottle of boze [Crown Royal], and activated all eight gates then i would say he's more likely to win by far. Lee would stomp Hidan under those conditions i think??????????????????????:p:D

[SimpleGenin]

Hidan, is more likely to win since his experience in battles dates back to the first hokage. He also has some crazy ass moves, and 5 hearts that includes all 5 elements too. But if Lee went all out drinking a bottle of boze [Crown Royal], and activated all eight gates then i would say he's more likely to win by far. Lee would stomp Hidan under those conditions i think??????????????????????:p:D
?Kakuzu?

[Legend]

If Lee really does beat Hidan, then by logic, Lee is on par with S class criminals/Akatsuki. It is said that every Akatsuki members are above Jonin level that includes Hidan.

It doesn't work like that. It's more like how many high rank ninjas can you defeat.

[SimpleGenin]

It doesn't work like that. It's more like how many high rank ninjas can you defeat.
? explain why it does not work that way.
Manga logic, If Lee can beat an S class Criminal, doesnt that mean Lee is above Hidan?

Lee showed more power And more speed.

[Uchiha Sora]

Yes even with his Weights off, out of nearly 50+ hits he only got 2 off.

he got around Shukaku's protection thats pretty good if you ask me. I doubt Hidan even dreams of going that fast.

Hidan, is more likely to win since his experience in battles dates back to the first hokage. He also has some crazy ass moves, and 5 hearts that includes all 5 elements too. But if Lee went all out drinking a bottle of boze [Crown Royal], and activated all eight gates then i would say he's more likely to win by far. Lee would stomp Hidan under those conditions i think??????????????????????:p:D

Thats Kakuzu?

But I don't think Lee beats Hidan anyway.

[SimpleGenin]

Excuse.

Excuse.

LOL, When has he shown that speed in Naruto-Ship?


Who? Not Kisame. [ Got caught [ , Not Itachi, Zetzu, Tobi, Sasori, Dei, Orchi, Pains?, not Kakazu.
Debate properly and explain.

Show me a time where Kakashi moved faster then Pre Ship Lee when he fought Gaara.

Lee ( no weight ) is faster then kakashi

Lee in gates is faster then kakashi.

[Legend]

? explain why it does not work that way.
Manga logic, If Lee can beat an S class Criminal, doesnt that mean Lee is above Hidan?

Lee showed more power And more speed.

It doesn't. Because if we adopt that logic, we are saying the following:

If A>B=A higher rank.

That's illogical, because you still have to evaluate why they win, what were the disadvantages of the opponents, etc. And, most ninjas actually know great Ninjutsu, which Hidan never really had. So, Lee sure can beat Hidan(he's not S rank) but does that mean he should be categorized in a tier of Hokage/S ranks? No.

He'd lose to Bee, Raikage, Onoki, Deidara, Itachi, et cetera(you get the idea).

Hokages, have paramount strength, and they have their rank, because they can defeat many people, or go toe-to-toe with the same people from the same rank, Lee is incapable of doing this in an S-ranked tier.

[SimpleGenin]

It doesn't. Because if we adopt that logic, we are saying the following:

If A>B=A higher rank.

That's illogical, because you still have to evaluate why they win, what were the disadvantages of the opponents, etc. And, most ninjas actually know great Ninjutsu, which Hidan never really had. So, Lee sure can beat Hidan(he's not S rank) but does that mean he should be categorized in a tier of Hokage/S ranks? No.

He'd lose to Bee, Raikage, Onoki, Deidara, Itachi, et cetera(you get the idea).

Hokages, have paramount strength, and they have their rank, because they can defeat many people, or go toe-to-toe with the same people from the same rank, Lee is incapable of doing this in an S-ranked tier.

Better.

But Lee is still capable of beating Hidan because of the massive difference in speed. In gates, Pre Ship Lee even showed better speed feats then Raikage. To say otherwise is using the "A>B= A higher Rank" formula. Explain.

[Legend]

Better.

But Lee is still capable of beating Hidan because of the massive difference in speed. In gates, Pre Ship Lee even showed better speed feats then Raikage. To say otherwise is using the "A>B= A higher Rank" formula. Explain.

I know Lee can beat Hidan.

And, another thing. Even though he's faster than A, that doesn't mean he has better reflexes. Raikage has the best reflexes so far, similar to the Sharingan.

There's nothing Lee can do to beat Raikage. Raikage is strong enough(tore off both of Suigetsu's arms, and had enough power to chop off the Executioner's blade in the same strike) and has better reflexes(because of his nervous system). Since his nervous system has a higher voltage to it, his nervous system is more active, thus he reacts far better than a normal human. Lee just has speed increase, also Raikage would "speedblitz" Lee before he has time to react. The reason I say this, is because we know the Sharingan offers you the best chances for reflexes(because it gives you more of a time windo than an average human) and yet Raikage was so fast, Sasuke wasn't able to keep track of him, plus Lee doesn't have the Sharingan.

[SimpleGenin]

I know Lee can beat Hidan.

And, another thing. Even though he's faster than A, that doesn't mean he has better reflexes. Raikage has the best reflexes so far, similar to the Sharingan.

There's nothing Lee can do to beat Raikage. Raikage is strong enough(tore off both of Suigetsu's arms, and had enough power to chop off the Executioner's blade in the same strike) and has better reflexes(because of his nervous system). Since his nervous system has a higher voltage to it, his nervous system is more active, thus he reacts far better than a normal human. Lee just has speed increase, also Raikage would "speedblitz" Lee before he has time to react. The reason I say this, is because we know the Sharingan offers you the best chances for reflexes(because it gives you more of a time windo than an average human) and yet Raikage was so fast, Sasuke wasn't able to keep track of him, plus Lee doesn't have the Sharingan.

Gated Lee showed far more speed then the Raikage. How do we know for sure that the Raikage can react to Lee's speed? Because Raikage fought a Sharingan user? The Sharingan didnt help Sasuke much the first time he fought Lee if I remember correctly.

And talking about physical strength, Lee in Gates form was able to reduce the ground to rubbles, similar to the Raikage. Only catch is, Lee cant maintain the form. I would think if the Raikage got hit by a Hidden Lotus, it would at the very least knock him out. That says a lot about Lee.

[Sagepain]

Gated Lee showed far more speed then the Raikage. How do we know for sure that the Raikage can react to Lee's speed? Because Raikage fought a Sharingan user? The Sharingan didnt help Sasuke much the first time he fought Lee if I remember correctly.

And talking about physical strength, Lee in Gates form was able to reduce the ground to rubbles, similar to the Raikage. Only catch is, Lee cant maintain the form. I would think if the Raikage got hit by a Hidden Lotus, it would at the very least knock him out. That says a lot about Lee.

Not if A has his Raiton armor active, If I remember correctly it also massively increases his defense, so much that not even a direct chidori could cause a deadly wound and ended up only Scratching him.

If Lee in 8 gates is faster than A than Hidan loses.

If hidan can dodge the First attack whats stopping Lee from continuing his onslaught of attacks once he opens his gates? I don't think hidan can dodge more than 50 attacks continuosly.

[SimpleGenin]

Not if A has his Raiton armor active, If I remember correctly it also massively increases his defense, so much that not even a direct chidori could cause a deadly wound and ended up only Scratching him.

If Lee in 8 gates is faster than A than Hidan loses.

If hidan can dodge the First attack whats stopping Lee from continueing his onslaught of attacks once he opens his gates? I don't think hidan can dodge more than 50 attacks continuosly.

Chidori's more about piercing, Hidden Lotus is more about blunt force trauma. So its hard to say how Raikage would take a Hidden Lotus.

Lets put it this way, by watching the anime, Lee is shown to be faster then Raikage if you compared them in their top speed simply by "looking".

[Legend]

Gated Lee showed far more speed then the Raikage. How do we know for sure that the Raikage can react to Lee's speed? Because Raikage fought a Sharingan user? The Sharingan didnt help Sasuke much the first time he fought Lee if I remember correctly.

And talking about physical strength, Lee in Gates form was able to reduce the ground to rubbles, similar to the Raikage. Only catch is, Lee cant maintain the form. I would think if the Raikage got hit by a Hidden Lotus, it would at the very least knock him out. That says a lot about Lee.

Raikage reacted to Amaterasu. But, you're right, he may not react to Lee. Even so, his attacks are absolutely meaningless, as long as Raikage has Raiton Armor on, especially V2. Raikage can't be moved by regular hits alone, because he's formed some sort of Raiton Barrier around him. Even so, Sasuke's sword was deflected by Raiton Armor(Chapter 462 p.16), similar to what the Yata Mirror did to to the same sword(Chapter 393 p.11).

[chidoriroar]

come on guys, youre underestimating lee. hes a speed demon. he goes 8 gates and pounds hidan to dust.