"How many gay people must God create before we accept that he wants them around?"

[Sai's brother]

I found this news article and it linked me to this page.

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/05/how-many-gay-people-must-god-create-before-we-accept-that-he-wants-them-around/

So, iono I thought this might of been something to discuss about and such

[Pool]

It sucks that they hate you, bro.

[Mini-Chan]

While there is no "gay gene" people don't choose to be homosexual.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I think "want" is a bit exaggerated.

I don't condemn gays, but I could also say, "How many criminals must God create before we accept that he wants them around?"

[Ino's Girl]

gay marriage ftw

[Bacon]

While there is no "gay gene" people don't choose to be homosexual.
Genetics? Being homosexual or Heterosexual is a choice.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Genetics? Being homosexual or Heterosexual is a choice.

Proof?

[Ino's Girl]

I think "want" is a bit exaggerated.

I don't condemn gays, but I could also say, "How many criminals must God create before we accept that he wants them around?"

being a criminal is a lifestyle choice

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

being a criminal is a lifestyle choice

That's not the point I'm stating. I'm saying that according to this, God also creates "criminals". God could easily change that by disallowing the mindset to want to be a criminal.

I have nothing against gays, but I don't think it's necessarily a "want" to have gays. Nor do I think it's a "want" to have straights.

[jesse uzumaki]

Genetics? Being homosexual or Heterosexual is a choice.
do you have any proof that it is a choice?

[jesse uzumaki]

being gay is just natural same with being straight either you are or not. god is not going to control your mind. he wants to see how humanity will play in life without him controling anyone.

[Judious]

being gay is just natural same with being straight either you are or not. god is not going to control your mind. he wants to see how humanity will play in life without him controling anyone.


Bull:mrgreen:

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

being gay is just natural same with being straight either you are or not. god is not going to control your mind. he wants to see how humanity will play in life without him controling anyone.

That's pretty much the way I see it. In fact, I think it's more likely that the devil controls the world than God. That's also taking into account that you believe in God, etc... I don't know about the first part though, I think that being gay might be a choice for some people.

[Judious]

I hate them all

[Konoha'sGreenThunder]

It is like a fetish for boys


Some people sniff panties, some jerk off on toes. it is a choice
end thread

Prove that it's a choice.

People don't go around deciding they'll be attracted to other guys. Do you have to actively choose to be attracted to the opposite sex? No, you just are. (I assume you're heterosexual.)

[Sai's brother]

It is like a fetish for boys


Some people sniff panties, some jerk off on toes. it is a choice
end thread
Proof, otherwise what you said is crap.

Hell, I'll answer that. It isn't a choice.

[jesse uzumaki]

I hate them all
you hate everything.

[Ino's Girl]

It is like a fetish for boys


Some people sniff panties, some jerk off on toes. it is a choice
end thread

that's bull

[Judious]

Certainly those who believe homosexuality is a sin say it's a choice. Even some gay and lesbian people believe being gay is a choice. Most, however, believe that they were born gay or lesbian. The honest answer is, we think being gay is not a choice, but there hasn't been any conclusive studies to prove it.
What we do know is that therapies that attempt to change people from gay to straight have a very poor success rate. Sometimes people change their behavior, but the attraction is still there. My left-handed mother as a child was forced to use her right hand in school. She learned to change her behavior, but this did not change the fact that she is left-handed. The thing you do have a choice about is your attitude about being gay, lesbian or bisexual. You can choose to hide your sexual orientation, or even be involved in a heterosexual relationship, but that does not mean you are not lesbian or bisexual.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every gay person on Earth, you have no idea what it is.

[jesse uzumaki]

That's pretty much the way I see it. In fact, I think it's more likely that the devil controls the world than God. That's also taking into account that you believe in God, etc... I don't know about the first part though, I think that being gay might be a choice for some people.
don't get me wrong for some people it is a choice but for other I dought it is a choice being gay or lesbian.

[Sai's brother]

I hate them all
How can you hate someone on their sexuality alone? You probably don't care about anyone.

[jesse uzumaki]

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every gay person on Earth, you have no idea what it is.
exactly you read my mind. no human being can see if being gay is a choice or not.

[Judious]

How can you hate someone on their sexuality alone? You probably don't care about anyone.


I hate :mrgreen: freedom of speech right?

[Sai's brother]

Language please. And yes that is true, but why do you hate a group of people without a reason?

[Konoha'sGreenThunder]

I hate :mrgreen: freedom of speech right?

First of all, the internet is not based in the U.S. Your rights don't apply. Second, your freedom of speech ends where hate crimes and libel (or slander) begin.

[jesse uzumaki]

I hate :mrgreen: freedom of speech right?
you hate them because?

being gay or lesbian or bisexual is like every other sex oriantation.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

It's not freedom of speech, this forum is not all an American website. Racism is not allowed here, and in the same sense, hatred toward anyone based on their sexuality is not allowed.

[Bacon]

Proof?

Can't prove that, just not entirely convinced that genetics determine everything we do. Sure genetics can make us seek out nourishment,sleep, and a companion. Yet these strings of data cannot dictate everything we do before we actually act. :3 In other words, genetics kinda implies predestination sorta.

[Judious]

Language please. And yes that is true, but why do you hate a group of people without a reason?


Why do some people hate islam? why do some people hate women etc

It is not hate but irritation

[Judious]

It's not freedom of speech, this forum is not all an American website. Racism is not allowed here, and in the same sense, hatred toward anyone based on their sexuality is not allowed.

Homosexuals are not a race

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Why do some people hate islam? why do some people hate women etc

It is not hate but irritation

Do you hate gays or are you irritated by those who flaunt it (or something along that line)?

[Sai's brother]

Why do some people hate islam? why do some people hate women etc

It is not hate but irritation
Or them just being prejudice :|

@your other post - "hatred toward anyone based on their sexuality is not allowed."

[Konoha'sGreenThunder]

Homosexuals are not a race

Watch your language.

[Judious]

Do you hate gays or are you irritated by those who flaunt it (or something along that line)?


I hate a small group of them. gays who put make up or being a girly

that sort of stuff

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Homosexuals are not a race

Yes, but hating someone based on their sexuality, race, religion, is ridiculous. It is also an offensive remark, which is unallowed. Flaming, name-calling, harassment, ring a bell?

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I hate a small group of them.

You should really say that sooner. I was starting to think you might be a close-minded douche.

[jesse uzumaki]

I hate a small group of them. gays who put make up

that sort of stuff
so what thats how they are no one tells you anything anything for not shaving or shaving your face. or no one tells you anything because you like video games or something thats how you are. you like doing stuff because you enjoy it your in possession to critize someone based on how they are. who are you to judge someone? based on who they are.

[Judious]

Yes, but hating someone based on their sexuality, race, religion, is ridiculous. It is also an offensive remark, which is unallowed. Flaming, name-calling, harassment, ring a bell?

Sure.

[Judious]

so what thats how they are no one tells you anything anything for not shaving or shaving your face. or no one tells you anything because you like video games or something thats how you are. you like doing stuff because you enjoy it your in possession to critize someone based on how they are. who are you to judge someone? based on who they are.


Dude if a guy puts make up on then it is a choice. Do not give me that **** about oyeah they are born with it

[Judious]

I dont give a ******

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Dude if a guy puts make up on then it is a choice. Do not give me that **** about oyeah they are born with it

Make up, that much I can agree with being a choice. I don't really take people's choices into account to judge them before I know them though.

[Sai's brother]

Judious, where did Jesse said they were born with it? She didn't.

[Judious]

Make up, that much I can agree with being a choice. I don't really take people's choices into account to judge them before I know them though.


I am going to sleep now:mrgreen:.

[Bacon]

Make up, that much I can agree with being a choice. I don't really take people's choices into account to judge them before I know them though.

Not trying to further my stance,but for curiosity's sake,where do you draw the line between choice and genetics?

[jesse uzumaki]

Dude if a guy puts make up on then it is a choice. Do not give me that **** about oyeah they are born with it
and? i dont see why thats still a problem its who they are. if there gay they don't give a flock what they wear or put on there face its who they are. same with a guy putting tatoos or piercings there choices too. a guy wants to put on make up let him do it.

[Judious]

Judious, where did Jesse said they were born with it? She didn't.


You I have respect for:mrgreen: Your acting all calm;)

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Not trying to further my stance,but for curiosity's sake,where do you draw the line between choice and genetics?

Well, gay is like an attraction toward someone of the same sex. It can maybe either be a mindset that you are born with, raised into, or come to terms with. Make up, is really just something you put on to make yourself look different. Perhaps because you like it, or because you want to look cooler to a certain group of people. Either way, you would choose to wear makeup (as a guy).

[Sai's brother]

b|( You said you're going to sleep now and you stay.


[[Off topic: I just notice the new blue smileys]]

[Bacon]

Well, gay is like an attraction toward someone of the same sex. It can maybe either be a mindset that you are born with, raised into, or come to terms with. Make up, is really just something you put on to make yourself look different. Perhaps because you like it, or because you want to look cooler to a certain group of people. Either way, you would choose to wear makeup (as a guy).

Ahh I see now, that's entirely possible. Even if I am not entirely convinced. Although the one in red is not determined by genetics,but it's a result of how your guardians choose to raise you. That's why I am a skeptic, you can raise a child to be anything because they are so impressionable, but it has nothing to do with genetics. :3

That I agree with, make up is something you use by voluntarily to change your outward appearance.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Ahh I see now, that's entirely possible. Even if I am not entirely convinced. Although the one in red is not determined by genetics,but it's a result of how your guardians choose to raise you. That's why I am a skeptic, you can raise a child to be anything because they are so impressionable, but it has nothing to do with genetics. :3

That I agree with, make up is something you use by voluntarily to change your outward appearance.

Yeah, the red was in closer to a possibility than the others. I just have not visited the mind of all gays to know. There might be someone who has been raised so into being gay that it becomes less of a choice and more of a thing that just seems natural. I can only argue with maybes, as I don't know every human on Earth. Much like I can only argue with maybes for the bible, since it can't be proven true or false.

Indeed, it's a bit different with females I think. A lot of girls are raised into wearing makeup, maybe just because it's more of a feminine thing. Or perhaps it's just a tradition or a cultural thing. I've never really seen a culture or tradition where guys have to wear makeup.

[Ino's Girl]

b|( You said you're going to sleep now and you stay.


[[Off topic: I just notice the new blue smileys]]

Wait, you're an Atheist so you don't believe in the god wants gay people around part, right?

[Kimimaro Kaguya]

my bffls are gay and I LOVE THEM!!! =D

[Ino's Girl]

my bffls are gay and I LOVE THEM!!! =D

Does that include me? xD

[Sai's brother]

Wait, you're an Atheist Yes

so you don't believe in the god wants gay people around part, right? It's just a quote from someone else.
Hm...

[Kimimaro Kaguya]

Does that include me? xD
yes i love you also b<3

[Bacon]

Yeah, the red was in closer to a possibility than the others. I just have not visited the mind of all gays to know. There might be someone who has been raised so into being gay that it becomes less of a choice and more of a thing that just seems natural. I can only argue with maybes, as I don't know every human on Earth. Much like I can only argue with maybes for the bible, since it can't be proven true or false.

Indeed, it's a bit different with females I think. A lot of girls are raised into wearing makeup, maybe just because it's more of a feminine thing. Or perhaps it's just a tradition or a cultural thing. I've never really seen a culture or tradition where guys have to wear makeup.

Ahh, well the thing is that I kinda go by the belief that you are raised into what you are. It's not like I am saying that one cannot change, but the mind is a powerful thing. Saying that people are naturally gay, it would be like saying that the Germans in the 20's to 40's were naturally blood thirsty or that people before the Civil war were naturally racist. That said, I have never read any credible studies that showed babies can be raised to be heterosexual or homosexual.

Hmm, I think Make-up is too new to have historical references; kinda like the reason why a lot of women want to be skinny. That's another topic for another day. :3

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Ahh, well the thing is that I kinda go by the belief that you are raised into what you are. It's not like I am saying that one cannot change, but the mind is a powerful thing. Saying that people are naturally gay, it would be like saying that the Germans in the 20's to 40's were naturally blood thirsty or that people before the Civil war were naturally racist. That said, I have never read any credible studies that showed babies can be raised to be heterosexual or homosexual.

Hmm, I think Make-up is too new to have historical references; kinda like the reason why a lot of women want to be skinny. That's another topic for another day. :3

I have never read any credible sources that say they can't. I'm not saying it's always natural, it could be more often a choice than a natural thing. I'm just saying I can't cancel out the idea that it might just be natural for some people.

[Bacon]

D: /brain dead

I am out and I completely agree, anything is possible with the mind. :3

[Mini-Chan]

Okay, I'm going to end this by using facts so far supported by science and some by common sense.
1. There is no "gay gene" but there can be a genetic disposition for homosexual behavior
2. Like it has been said whether or not you act on your attraction is a choice.
Now it's just a moral debate of the morality of homosexuality and moral debates don't usually go anywhere fast

[Bacon]

Sources.

[Cloukora]

Genetics? Being homosexual or Heterosexual is a choice.
In a logical and I guess kind of smartass way, he's right
a gay person could choose to go straight, they might not be happy, but he could choose to do so
do you have any proof that it is a choice?
do you have any proof it's genetic?

[sagemaster777]

I go against the idea of Gays,But at the same time i dont care who's gay or not

As for choice,idc,Maybe it is,Maybe its not,idk

[Kunoichi]

"please keep your applause to yourself" what a douche! :lol:

[Ino's Girl]

I didn't choose to be gay, just sayin

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

do you have any proof it's genetic?

It's not either, and I dare someone to give me actual proof that it's solely one thing or the other.

[Kunoichi]

do you have any proof it's genetic?
Actually they do, they just don't have enough to consider it scientifically proven.

[sagemaster777]

I didn't choose to be gay, just sayin
That doesnt make sense o-O
It's not either, and I dare someone to give me actual proof that it's solely one thing or the other.
I Say its Just A Feeling,A simple Emotion For the same sex,Not a choice(Unless you Actually say "Im choosing to be gay")Nor Genetic.

[Bacon]

In a logical and I guess kind of smartass way, he's right
a gay person could choose to go straight, they might not be happy, but he could choose to do so

do you have any proof it's genetic?
How was I being a smartass? :p
Actually they do, they just don't have enough to consider it scientifically proven.
The burden of truth is a pain int he arse. :3

[Ino's Girl]

That doesnt make sense o-O

I Say its Just A Feeling,A simple Emotion For the same sex,Not a choice(Unless you Actually say "Im choosing to be gay")Nor Genetic.

Did you choose to be straight?

[Kunoichi]

How was I being a smartass? :p

The burden of truth is a pain int he arse. :3
Curse those otters and their impeding of science

[sagemaster777]

Did you choose to be straight?
No,i just am.If you wanna go by my opinion Being straight is the Normal Category.Now aside from my opinion its just the way i am.

[Ino's Girl]

No,i just am.If you wanna go by my opinion Being straight is the Normal Category.Now aside from my opinion its just the way i am.

Same thing applies to being gay except the normal category part bo.o"

[mrsticky005]

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every gay person on Earth, you have no idea what it is.

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every serial rapist on Earth, you have no idea what it is.

[Kunoichi]

^he's got a point.

[Bacon]

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every serial rapist on Earth, you have no idea what it is.
I think what Maik meant was that we can't possibly know if people are gay voluntarily or involuntarily, because no two people are the same. What we become in the end, is determined by a multitude of different factors.

[sagemaster777]

Same thing applies to being gay except the normal category part bo.o"
Well My beliefs are being Straight is how everyone is suppose to be,But i dont care if people are or not.
If A guy makes out with a guy infront of a group of people Chances are either some or most of them are gonna look at those 2 weird,Why? Because it doesnt seem normal to them,and in return they apply it as you making a choice to Not be like a normal straight person.And it could go the other way around for Gays,So theres rreally no Genetics involved,Either they Actually Made a choice and Rejected being Straight in there mind,or they were just like that

[Ino's Girl]

Well My beliefs are being Straight is how everyone is suppose to be,But i dont care if people are or not.
If A guy makes out with a guy infront of a group of people Chances are either some or most of them are gonna look at those 2 weird,Why? Because it doesnt seem normal to them,and in return they apply it as you making a choice to Not be like a normal straight person.And it could go the other way around for Gays,So theres rreally no Genetics involved,Either they Actually Made a choice and Rejected being Straight in there mind,or they were just like that

But that's making gay choices not actually being gay which the mind decides or something >_< Idk, i'm too tired to think. All i know is i didn't choose to like girls but i did choose to date them

[mrsticky005]

^he's got a point.

I don't think people are born gay. People aren't born anything.


But it's difficult to say it's a choice either. After all I certainly don't remember choosing to be straight. Still I do know I wasn't always straight (I never was gay either.) Before being straight I wasn't attracted to anything. But then somehow I learned to be attracted to da ladies. If only they can learn to be attracted to me :|. Gays aren't born gay (or straight either.) but eventually they learn to be attracted to the same sex. How does this happen? I'm really not sure. It's not like you just think one day "Ok! I'm gay! or Ok! I'm straight." No. It's a process and usually you don't realize it working. I think you just realize one day that you like the opposite sex or the same sex. It's like waking up somewhere without
knowing/remembering how you got there. I also think it is possible though
incredibly difficult (usually) to change your mind on the matter.
Again, I'm not really sure how it happens. But I don't think it's genes.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

All this, "It is a choice" and "It isn't a choice" is ;);););););););). Unless you can get into the mind of every serial rapist on Earth, you have no idea what it is.

There's a difference. Being gay doesn't harm anyone else. Being a serial rapist does. It doesn't matter if being a serial rapist is a choice or not.

[Bacon]

I don't think people are born gay. People aren't born anything.


But it's difficult to say it's a choice either. After all I certainly don't remember choosing to be straight. Still I do know I wasn't always straight (I never was gay either.) Before being straight I wasn't attracted to anything. But then somehow I learned to be attracted to da ladies. If only they can learn to be attracted to me :|. Gays aren't born gay (or straight either.) but eventually they learn to be attracted to the same sex. How does this happen? I'm really not sure. It's not like you just think one day "Ok! I'm gay! or Ok! I'm straight." No. It's a process and usually you don't realize it working. I think you just realize one day that you like the opposite sex or the same sex. It's like waking up somewhere without
knowing/remembering how you got there. I also think it is possible though
incredibly difficult (usually) to change your mind on the matter.
Again, I'm not really sure how it happens. But I don't think it's genes.

So it's an subconscious process? Personally I still think there is something to the environment that one grows up in. While there's no evidence to suggest that a significant number of parents brainwash their children directly, but to completely dismiss social influences would not sit well with me. We are passively or directly bombarded with images of normalcy, especially in our technological age. Thus we can grow into ways of thinking, such as what is success, sadness, and ofcourse beauty. As men, we are bombarded by this notion that we are suppose to pursue a beautiful woman, while women are bombarded by notion that they have to pursue handsome men. We are constantly influenced to think about what is acceptable and what is not, one of those things is sexuality. It's easy for a child to see the stereotypical families such as the Brady bunch, while reviling the thought of same sex couples when they grow older.

Afterall, it is the reason why these threads are made. The few hundred people who are active in these forums are tolerant people,but there is a significant portion of society that is in opposition to homosexuality. It is for this very reason that I think exposure to early intolerance wires some people's minds into leaning towards heterosexual relationships.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I wouldn't be surprised if friends, or a social taboo influences some people to be gay.

[Bacon]

Rebelling against the machine eh. :3

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Hey, people do rebel against the social taboo on sex.

[mrsticky005]

So it's an subconscious process? Personally I still think there is something to the environment that one grows up in. While there's no evidence to suggest that a significant number of parents brainwash their children directly, but to completely dismiss social influences would not sit well with me. We are passively or directly bombarded with images of normalcy, especially in our technological age. Thus we can grow into ways of thinking, such as what is success, sadness, and ofcourse beauty. As men, we are bombarded by this notion that we are suppose to pursue a beautiful woman, while women are bombarded by notion that they have to pursue handsome men. We are constantly influenced to think about what is acceptable and what is not, one of those things is sexuality. It's easy for a child to see the stereotypical families such as the Brady bunch, while reviling the thought of same sex couples when they grow older.

Afterall, it is the reason why these threads are made. The few hundred people who are active in these forums are tolerant people,but there is a significant portion of society that is in opposition to homosexuality. It is for this very reason that I think exposure to early intolerance wires some people's minds into leaning towards heterosexual relationships.


Yeah, it probably is. Do note for BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. I'm not dismissing social influence. I do think society influences
but I do not social influence is the end all be all of someone's sexuality.
Heck, even genetic influence doesn't bother me. What bothers me
is when people say these things are DETERMINED. That if you have
some sort of "gay gene" that you are going to be gay, no questions asked.
Or if you have certain environmental factors you WILL be straight.
I think the answer is far more complex than most people make it to be.

[Bacon]

Yeah, it probably is. Do note for BOTH heterosexuals and homosexuals alike. I'm not dismissing social influence. I do think society influences
but I do not social influence is the end all be all of someone's sexuality.
Heck, even genetic influence doesn't bother me. What bothers me
is when people say these things are DETERMINED. That if you have
some sort of "gay gene" that you are going to be gay, no questions asked.
Or if you have certain environmental factors you WILL be straight.
I think the answer is far more complex than most people make it to be.
Yup, I get what you mean about that,but most of us just want things to be simple.b:|

[Cloukora]

Actually they do, they just don't have enough to consider it scientifically proven.
huh
I didn't know that :/
How was I being a smartass? :p

The burden of truth is a pain int he arse. :3
actually, I didn't mean you, I meant me xD, I should have cleared that up more
I don't think people are born gay. People aren't born anything.


But it's difficult to say it's a choice either. After all I certainly don't remember choosing to be straight. Still I do know I wasn't always straight (I never was gay either.) Before being straight I wasn't attracted to anything. But then somehow I learned to be attracted to da ladies. If only they can learn to be attracted to me :|. Gays aren't born gay (or straight either.) but eventually they learn to be attracted to the same sex. How does this happen? I'm really not sure. It's not like you just think one day "Ok! I'm gay! or Ok! I'm straight." No. It's a process and usually you don't realize it working. I think you just realize one day that you like the opposite sex or the same sex. It's like waking up somewhere without
knowing/remembering how you got there. I also think it is possible though
incredibly difficult (usually) to change your mind on the matter.
Again, I'm not really sure how it happens. But I don't think it's genes.
I agree with this, I don't think we are born the way we are, it's how we are shaped to become what we are

[mrsticky005]

Yup, I get what you mean about that,but most of us just want things to be simple.b:|


Such matters are only "simple" when it comes to getting your vote.

[chidoriroar]

Who said he wants gay people to be around, does he want criminals, people who hate him, the devil and such to be around? NO he creates us and gives us a choice, he wouldnt say that being gay is a sin if he wanted it

i know im gonna get de repped but i think i shouldbe able to speak my mind. in my opinion being gay is wrong but segregating them is also wrong.

[chidoriroar]

Certainly those who believe homosexuality is a sin say it's a choice. Even some gay and lesbian people believe being gay is a choice. Most, however, believe that they were born gay or lesbian. The honest answer is, we think being gay is not a choice, but there hasn't been any conclusive studies to prove it.
What we do know is that therapies that attempt to change people from gay to straight have a very poor success rate. Sometimes people change their behavior, but the attraction is still there. My left-handed mother as a child was forced to use her right hand in school. She learned to change her behavior, but this did not change the fact that she is left-handed. The thing you do have a choice about is your attitude about being gay, lesbian or bisexual. You can choose to hide your sexual orientation, or even be involved in a heterosexual relationship, but that does not mean you are not lesbian or bisexual.
actually some gays admit that they had been strait but became homo later in life. some girls turn lez cuz of the media

[Cloukora]

Who said he wants gay people to be around, does he want criminals, people who hate him, the devil and such to be around? NO he creates us and gives us a choice, he wouldnt say that being gay is a sin if he wanted it

i know im gonna get de repped but i think i shouldbe able to speak my mind. in my opinion being gay is wrong but segregating them is also wrong.
actually, apparently it is stated in the bible that being gay is wrong, I never actually saw the words myself, so I don't know if it's true or not

also on a side note, that statement the guy made is a good one, BUT it also depends on the what a person believes, because it most likely will not affect an athiest who thinks it's wrong
actually some gays admit that they had been strait but became homo later in life. some girls turn lez cuz of the media
I didn't think about that, but yeah, it depends on the person I guess

[Leafy]

Gay is and always will be a derogatory comment.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I feel super gay today.
The rain is falling, the birds are not chirping, and there's no kids in the house.

[Judious]

I hate gay people

[Bacon]

Gay is and always will be a derogatory comment.
Gay by definition means happy, dunno how being happy would be considered derogatory.

[Judious]

I beat a gay guy before. It was fun

[Sai's brother]

I beat a gay guy before. It was fun
You're messed up.

[Judious]

Nope just Anti-gay

[Sai's brother]

Nope just Anti-gay
Obviously

[Judious]

Your gay too? Yuk

[Sai's brother]

Yuk, a homophobe

[Judious]

I am sorry if i offended some of the gay people here, but I hate people like you and I find them filthy

[Sai's brother]

I am sorry if i offended some of the gay people here, but I hate people like you and I find them filthy
Sorry? Doubt it
The joys of prejudice :roll:

@your other post. Wow....

[dogboy22]

Why would anyone choose to be gay it doesnt make sense why anyone would want to go through the cruel actions that homophobes will do to said person why would you want to be hated by a large community of people that is why i beleive it cant possibly be choice

[Judious]

it is a choice and it is a disease

[Ino's Girl]

Why would anyone choose to be gay it doesnt make sense why anyone would want to go through the cruel actions that homophobes will do to said person why would you want to be hated by a large community of people that is why i beleive it cant possibly be choice

Maybe they're tired of dating the opposite gender.

[Sai's brother]

it is a choice and it is a disease
Wow, you hate someone because of a 'disease?' How pathetic and rude

[dogboy22]

Maybe they're tired of dating the opposite gender.

the whole thing about sexuality is that you only like dating one gender unless you are bisexual so what you said makes no sense really

[Ino's Girl]

the whole thing about sexuality is that you only like dating one gender unless you are bisexual so what you said makes no sense really

Oh yeah, my bad xD

[Bacon]

Yuk, a homophobe
Being a homophobe is a shortened version for homophobic, which means you have a phobia for homosexuals. :lol:

[Cloukora]

Maybe they're tired of dating the opposite gender.
that's also the case sometimes, that's the way it is with my step-dad's sister, she just got tired of guys, so she started dating women

[Danielle]

it is a choice and it is a disease
So people like Matthew Sheppard and Harvey Milk got what they deserved, is that right? There is only one step to take after you decide to hate; hatred is gross.

[Nick Tasogare]

Loling at Judious over here.

[Konoha'sGreenThunder]

As for the Bible's stance on homosexuality, it's often debated. As far as I know, there technically wasn't a word for homosexuality at that point, and it's never actually outright stated. The more liberal Christians interpret the Bible differently. For example, some say God destroyed Sodom for things like unhealthy lust, group sex, and the desire to rape the two angels who made an appearance there, it just happened that the sex in question was homosexual. Stuff like that.

[Nick Tasogare]

Not trying to further my stance,but for curiosity's sake,where do you draw the line between choice and genetics?

Well, let me put it to you this way.

I had a crush on Nick Carter when the Backstreet Boys had released their second or third album. I was about 5 or 6 and didn't know that there was such a thing as straight, bisexual, lesbian, gay, transgender, etc. Hell, up until I was 12 I thought that homosexuality hadn't existed until a short time before my being 12. I'd say that that is more genetics than choice, no?

EDIT: For the record, I also had a crush on a girl named Jessie in my Preschool around the same time.

[KyuubiAkatsuki]

got nothing against gay people, people are people aren't they? which means enjoying the same rights, freedoms, etc. as everyone else

[Judious]

Gay people are

[Judious]

Did you hear about the gay bank robber?

He tied up the safe and blew the guard

[Judious]

A man escapes from prison where he has been for 15 years. He breaks into a house to look for money and guns and finds a young couple in bed.

He orders the guy out of bed and ties him to a chair, while tying the girl to the bed he gets on top of her, kisses her neck, then gets up and goes into the bathroom. While he's in there, the husband tells his wife:

"Listen, this guy's an escaped convict, look at his clothes! He probably spent lots of time in jail and hasn't seen a woman in years. I saw how he kissed your neck." If he wants sex, don't resist, don't complain, do whatever he tells you. Satisfy him no matter how much he nauseates you. This guy is probably very dangerous. If he gets angry, he'll kill us. Be strong, honey. I love you."

To which his wife responds: "He wasn't kissing my neck. He wwas whispering in my ear. He told me he was gay, thought you were cute, and asked me if we had any vaseline. I told him it was in the bathroom. Be strong honey. I love you too!!"

[Nick Tasogare]

Did you hear about that troll Judious who was trying way too hard?

What he said kept being ignored so he had to force it like an amateur troll.

Locked

[Wooster]

Hmm, about 10^25. =D