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mrsticky005
04-15-2011, 08:35 PM
Does Samurai Mifune speak truth?

Or is just talking crazy from having his head gear on too tightly?


Debate.

Edit:

Ok since some don't really get Mifune's analogy I'm going to try my best to explain it.


Mifune says that people will continue to remain like his sword.

However in order for a sword to remain it must be kept sharp.

If the sword is not sharp and instead blunt it will not last long as a sword.

The same goes for people. People are kept sharp when they stand by their values.
These people although they can still die will continue to be remembered as heroes and legends.

People who give up on their values on the other hand become blunt and won't last long.
Bluntness will not last. Like a sharp sword vs a blunt sword these people will be cut and beaten.



Correct me if i'm wrong

UnDeAd Hikari
04-15-2011, 08:38 PM
I will admit right now, I didn't get half the crap that went on in that chapter. So im going to say...we are not dull, we do not get dull, just stupid and lacking in lucidity.
humans are humans.

Sheelah
04-15-2011, 08:40 PM
If the character believes what he is saying, who are we to argue. It's true to them, since they believe it.

Maikeru D. Shinigami
04-15-2011, 08:40 PM
Humans are like many things. Swords, yes. Some of us are good swords, some of us aren't. Some of are strong swords, some of us aren't. Some us enjoying stabbing, some of us don't.

Ino's Girl
04-15-2011, 08:41 PM
the pen is mightier than the sword

junchurikioftheleaf
04-15-2011, 08:41 PM
Humans are like many things. Swords, yes. Some of us are good swords, some of us aren't. Some of are strong swords, some of us aren't. Some us enjoying stabbing, some of us don't.
some of us are bats instead `:)

Maikeru D. Shinigami
04-15-2011, 08:42 PM
.....And some of us are bats.

mrsticky005
04-15-2011, 09:06 PM
update the op

Kreegah!!!
04-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Most people are broken stumps of swords, although the tongue is always sharp, even when the wit backing it up is not up to snuff.

Danielle
04-16-2011, 10:56 AM
Most people are broken stumps of swords, although the tongue is always sharp, even when the wit backing it up is not up to snuff.
You can't have a sharp tongue without a sharp wit, it doesn't work. Both need to be sharp, they are co dependent. Either your wit is sharp but you lack the faculty to put it to any use, or your tongue is quick with nothing that comes from it.

Minoru
04-16-2011, 11:03 AM
*Chills* There are millions of things that people are like. And if you want you can believe that humans are like screwdrivers or dish washers.

Space Cowboy Sasori
04-16-2011, 11:20 AM
Humans are like many things. Swords, yes. Some of us are good swords, some of us aren't. Some of are strong swords, some of us aren't. Some us enjoying stabbing, some of us don't.

innuendo?

Maikeru D. Shinigami
04-16-2011, 11:47 AM
innuendo?

Hooray!

Jutsu Junkie
04-16-2011, 08:30 PM
"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." -- Proverbs 27:17

This analogy is very old. Miyamoto Musashi, the most renowned swordsman in history, didn't compare men to swords, but to a truth we should aspire to: "The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions."

People are like a lot of things, but the one truth that hangs these analogies together is that we identify with the objects we love, and samurai love their swords. Therefore the analogy is apropos.

mrsticky005
04-17-2011, 04:10 AM
"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." -- Proverbs 27:17

This analogy is very old. Miyamoto Musashi, the most renowned swordsman in history, didn't compare men to swords, but to a truth we should aspire to: "The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions."

People are like a lot of things, but the one truth that hangs these analogies together is that we identify with the objects we love, and samurai love their swords. Therefore the analogy is apropos.


Interesting tidbits there. I didn't know either of those.

Well I'm not really asking are people like swords because the answer to that is yes in some ways and no in other ways. But is Mifune's reasoning for us being like a sword true. For instance if I said people are like popsicles because we come in fruity flavors that melt in room temperature... Well I'm not sure how accurate that analogy would be.
Though we may still be like Popsicle in other ways. Like how we're both mostly water.

Skrall
04-17-2011, 09:44 AM
Humans are like many things. Swords, yes. Some of us are good swords, some of us aren't. Some of are strong swords, some of us aren't. Some us enjoying stabbing, some of us don't.

^This.

Humans are compared to many things: swords, books, cars and many other things. Humans are especially compared with animals. You know why? Because WE ARE rational ANIMALS!

mrsticky005
04-17-2011, 10:08 AM
^This.

Humans are compared to many things: swords, books, cars and many other things. Humans are especially compared with animals. You know why? Because WE ARE rational ANIMALS!


Yes I got that already when Maikeru first said it. But that's not the point of the debate. Does Mifune's analogy fit? Is his reasoning for thinking people and swords are alike true? Even if people are like swords his reasoning may be faulty. Of course one could say it's just a fictional character talking.
True, it is. But in a sense it's also Kishimoto talking. Now I'm not saying
Kishimoto believes what Mifune thinks. But Kishimoto did think what Mifune believes (he thinks what every character believes. He created them and their "thoughts). Does Kishimoto have a point here with Mifune's philosophy? Is there some kind of moral here? Or maybe it's just to fill up space (quite possible). What are your thoughts on Mifune's philosophy?


Alternatively feel free to talk about and debate any other Naruto character's philosophy.

Jutsu Junkie
04-17-2011, 03:49 PM
Interesting tidbits there. I didn't know either of those.

Well I'm not really asking are people like swords because the answer to that is yes in some ways and no in other ways. But is Mifune's reasoning for us being like a sword true. For instance if I said people are like popsicles because we come in fruity flavors that melt in room temperature... Well I'm not sure how accurate that analogy would be.
Though we may still be like Popsicle in other ways. Like how we're both mostly water.

Well, I think he's right as far as it goes. I mean, his entire point, it seems to me, is about integrity. Integrity is something you have to work at -- to keep sharp, like a good sword. If you let yourself slide into dishonor, you are dulling your integrity, and you will be forgotten. Or, at least you won't be remembered for anything people consider positive. Integrity requires maintenance, just like the edge of a sword. And like a blunt sword attempting to cleave through a target, achieving immortality in the public mind with a bad rep is difficult -- or leads to unfavorable results.

The Second Pornkage
04-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Both a sword and I can slice an apple, so... YES

mrsticky005
04-17-2011, 04:56 PM
Well, I think he's right as far as it goes. I mean, his entire point, it seems to me, is about integrity. Integrity is something you have to work at -- to keep sharp, like a good sword. If you let yourself slide into dishonor, you are dulling your integrity, and you will be forgotten. Or, at least you won't be remembered for anything people consider positive. Integrity requires maintenance, just like the edge of a sword. And like a blunt sword attempting to cleave through a target, achieving immortality in the public mind with a bad rep is difficult -- or leads to unfavorable results.

Makes sense

Both a sword and I can slice an apple, so... YES

Can you cut the apple without the sword?

The Second Pornkage
04-17-2011, 05:05 PM
Can you cut the apple without the sword?

You, my friend, are quite perceptive. That makes it DOUBLE THE AWESOME SLICING POWER!!!

mrsticky005
04-18-2011, 07:43 AM
You, my friend, are quite perceptive. That makes it DOUBLE THE AWESOME SLICING POWER!!!

DOUBLE THE POWER!
DOUBLE THE FUN!
Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho!!!


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Bacon
04-18-2011, 10:30 AM
So this is a debate about the Responsible guy versus the overindulgent Drunkard?

PlatonicZombie
04-18-2011, 12:49 PM
Does Samurai Mifune speak truth?

Or is just talking crazy from having his head gear on too tightly?


Debate.

Edit:

Ok since some don't really get Mifune's analogy I'm going to try my best to explain it.


Mifune says that people will continue to remain like his sword.

However in order for a sword to remain it must be kept sharp.

If the sword is not sharp and instead blunt it will not last long as a sword.

The same goes for people. People are kept sharp when they stand by their values.
These people although they can still die will continue to be remembered as heroes and legends.

People who give up on their values on the other hand become blunt and won't last long.
Bluntness will not last. Like a sharp sword vs a blunt sword these people will be cut and beaten.



Correct me if i'm wrong

I forget the Philosopher, it maybe Han Fei (founder of Legalism), but he likened people to bowls and such. Meaning that people can be made into what you want them to be. That is what came to mind when Mifune said that people are like swords. To me, I see a negative aspect of humanity with this analogy. I see people are tools capable of being fastened to the way you see fit and can be used as such. Of course there are not suppose to be a lot of dull swords, as a empire, or kingdom, or village, full of dull swords cannot be utilized. But if you make only some dull they can be used as examples of what happens to dull swords. You must take a step back and see who is making this statement. Mifune is a general or something like that. He is a person in a position of power. Perhaps, this is why he views people in this fashion. Or perhaps I am just reading too much into it. Wouldn't be the first time. :lol:

mrsticky005
04-18-2011, 04:05 PM
So this is a debate about the Responsible guy versus the overindulgent Drunkard?

If you want it to be it is. :)

Bacon
04-18-2011, 05:13 PM
I'm not familiar with the person you are referring to,but it seems like that would be the case.Then again, my superficial analysis of the question is worthless.