Reborn!

[Yori]

Where does this series rank up against HST.

I say over Naruto, but equal or above Bleach. I think One Piece is still stronger

[Noctis Arashi]

If you don't count Star level gravity black hole FTL business. Your right.

[Yori]

If you don't count Star level gravity black hole FTL business. Your right.

Its been implied that the black holes and gravity spheres were pseudos

[Noctis Arashi]

Possibly.

Unless reborn was just pulling everyone's leg.

[Yori]

I guess we will have to wait to see how Tsuna makes it out of the black hole.

Anyway Enma > Anyone in Naruto mostly.

When going up against bleach, the only people in Bleach I see that could defeat Reborn top tiers are Ulquiorra, Starrk, Barraggan, Aizen, Ichigo.

[Noctis Arashi]

Even then, its an off chance that anyone besides FGT ichigo can brake gravity.

[Yori]

With no knowledge who can counter Respira & Kyoka Suigetsu?

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

If you don't count Star level gravity black hole FTL business. Your right.

No dude. They were just pseudo black holes.

[zetsu2141]

With no knowledge who can counter Respira & Kyoka Suigetsu?

daisy's regenration could probaly beat respira and chromes and mukuros devil lens could probaly beat kyoka suigetsu and maybe other skilled illusionists could beat it.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

daisy's regenration could probaly beat respira and chromes and mukuros devil lens could probaly beat kyoka suigetsu and maybe other skilled illusionists could beat it.

No to Daisy. Possibly on Mukuro.

Things is, there aren't many illusionists in Reborn.

[zetsu2141]

No to Daisy. Possibly on Mukuro.

Things is, there aren't many illusionists in Reborn.

Daisy near instantly regenrated an arm faster then it took respira to take an arm. About 3 to 5 skilled illusionts.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

In the long run, squat's gonna work. After all, Flames are life energy.

The only skilled illusionists are Mukuro, that mask dude, and the baby. Other people like Daemon Spade and Ramen Sensei are out because they just got pure hype. Meanwhile, illusions are able to be obliterated with raw power, so it won't exactly work.

[Yori]

Can Daemons lens break through Kyoka? I think yes

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

It's possible. The lens had been only used once, and that was to record/observe Ghost's powers.

[Yori]

Chrome also used them to see through illusions. So is it this:

1. One Piece
2/3. Bleach
2/3. KHR
4. Naruto

[zetsu2141]

In the long run, squat's gonna work. After all, Flames are life energy.

The only skilled illusionists are Mukuro, that mask dude, and the baby. Other people like Daemon Spade and Ramen Sensei are out because they just got pure hype. Meanwhile, illusions are able to be obliterated with raw power, so it won't exactly work.

What about fran and genkishi?

[Yori]

Forgot about those two.

Fran's feat's:

1. Made an illusion that fooled Bel's Brother and Butler.
2. Made an illusion that was strong enough to fool Vindice.

[zetsu2141]

Forgot about those two.

Fran's feat's:

1. Made an illusion that fooled Bel's Brother and Butler.
2. Made an illusion that was strong enough to fool Vindice.

The second one is especially great since it was said only three people can fool teh vindice with illusions and genkishi is also skilled at physical combat.

[Kazumi Saitama]

The Illusions in KHR are different than normal Illusions. The Illusions in KHR can literally make something out of nothing. Meaning, Mukuro can make his Illusions real. Dude is locked up in an underground prison miles away and he still maintains enough power to keep Chrome alive with Illusionary Organs.

[Yori]

Which means KHR illusions Shits on any illusions HST comes with

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

What about fran and genkishi?

Fran's a rookie.

Forgot about Genkishi though. What were his feats?