That guy who was with Asuma, Dan, and Hizashi

[Wind Style Naruto]

I know who that is.

He is Hayato Gekko. The guy who was killed by Baki in the Chunin Exams/Leaf Invasion arc.

How?

All we know of this mysterious man is that he wears the Leaf Chunin vest so he is a former Leaf ninja plus he wears an bandana like Genma Shiranui and Hayato weared an bandana too.

Why?

Hayato before his death was supposely an skilled swordsmen in the Leaf Style: Dance of the Crescent Moon which is a A-rank skill(says the databooks). Plus he could be used an weapon of mental anguish to his former friends, colleges, and lover(Yugao Uzuki).

[Hyuuga Heir]

*Hayate

`:P

[JashinSama]

He is also the guy who Reffed the Preliminaries from the Chuunin exams.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Yeah he's constantly coughing and it looks like he does drugs.

[kalmeast]

Yeah he's constantly coughing and it looks like he does drugs.

Isn't he Udon's dad too?

[Hyuuga Heir]

Isn't he Udon's dad too?

Nope. As far as we know, neither are related. I think him and Yugao were just dating.

And for this guess.... we can't really tell that much just from seeing the knot of a headband :???:

[Wind Style Naruto]

Not an an headband more like an bandana. That guy looks like he is wearing an bandana just like Hayato.

[Shikamaru Nara]

I thought this was obvious? o-o

[Wind Style Naruto]

Not really I didn't figure it out since I wasn't paying much attention to him lately but since the past chapters were a bit plain I had enough time to focus.

[Lady Tsunade]

I thought this was obvious? o-o

Ahem.

Anyway, I guess this is good for all those who didn't know already. .. =]

[Hyuuga Heir]

Not an an headband more like an bandana. That guy looks like he is wearing an bandana just like Hayato.

Does it matter? It's a piece of cloth and we can't really get much from other than that. Besides, why would Kabuto bring back a chunin? Everyone else is of jonin rank or higher. Yea, Hayate (it's an 'e' not an 'o') can use the Crescent Moon Dance, and even though it's a difficult jutsu, it's not really grounds to bring him back.... other than PNJ....

[Wind Style Naruto]

Well technically he is an Jonin and plus we haven't seen much of his skills before his death.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Ok... he's a Special Jonin. Not a full Jonin which means he's only skilled one area of training as to a full fledged Jonin who is highly skilled all-around. Don't see the point in him being summoned though...

[Wind Style Naruto]

Special Jonin means they are above rank of an average Jonin. Sometimes they are ANBU members and so forth.

Kakashi is or was an special Jonin and the same applies to Asuma and Yamato.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Special Jonin means they are above rank of an average Jonin. Sometimes they are ANBU members and so forth.

Kakashi is or was an special Jonin and the same applies to Asuma and Yamato.

You need to brush up on your Ninja ranks bud. The order goes: academy student-genin-chunin-speical jonin-jonin. Look it up.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Okay point taken doesn't mean that Hayato is less useless or weak than an Jonin it just means he is specialized in one field and by the looks of it combat.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Weaker? Pretty sure a Jonin (someone well rounded in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu) could kick his butt... Useless? No, every ninja has their place. Less valuable? Yes. He hasn't shown anything to prove he is a valuable asset to Kabuto.

[Kreegah!!!]

You need to brush up on your Ninja ranks bud. The order goes: academy student-genin-chunin-speical jonin-jonin. Look it up.


That ranking structure is not absolute. Even Chunin can lead Jonin. It all goes by what the mission calls for. Who is most qualified????

Even Genin means nothing in terms of power. All it says is the person is not yet ready to lead.

[Hyuuga Heir]

That ranking structure is not absolute. Even Chunin can lead Jonin. It all goes by what the mission calls for. Who is most qualified????

Even Genin means nothing in terms of power. All it says is the person is not yet ready to lead.

Give me an example of when a Chunin leading a team that had at least one Jonin in it and I'll comply with that information.

If it's not absolute, then why are shinobi judged by skills during their examination? Why have a ranking system at all?

[Sushi]

Give me an example of when a Chunin leading a team that had at least one Jonin in it and I'll comply with that information.

If it's not absolute, then why are shinobi judged by skills during their examination? Why have a ranking system at all?

(Please read first page)

Well, what I remember is on the flash-back episodes. There was a really strong
old man who can do alot of powerful jutsus he learn from the hokages.(right?)
even tho he was that good, his still a genin (why? cuz he wants to)

and on the kakashi chronicle flash back, kakashi was leading minato,rin,and obito.

plus+, naruto can beat almost everyone in the village. but how come his only a genin?

[Hyuuga Heir]

(Please read first page)

Well, what I remember is on the flash-back episodes. There was a really strong
old man who can do alot of powerful jutsus he learn from the hokages.(right?)
even tho he was that good, his still a genin (why? cuz he wants to)

and on the kakashi chronicle flash back, kakashi was leading minato,rin,and obito.

plus+, naruto can beat almost everyone in the village. but how come his only a genin?

That episode with the old genin guy was filler. Therefore it doesn't count.

Kakashi was leading Minato, Rin, and Obito because he had recently been promoted to Jonin.

As for Naruto, Plot no Jutsu. Though he is at Jonin level now, I think his life is more important than his actual title...

[Lady Tsunade]

How well versed with powerful jutsu you are isn't all there is to your Rank.

Intelligence, experience, professionalism, loyalty and faith seems to have a heavy impact on the Rankings of shinobi in Naruto. Although Naruto has the strength of a Kage because of his immense level of jutsu, his intelligence, experience and professionalism is absolutely dreadful. He is certainly not Genin level, he's probably deservant of Chunin, no higher tbh.

In general. A Jonin>A Genin. Kakashi is a much more well rounded ninja than Naruto, he has skills which make extremely useful even out of battle, whether Naruto doesn't really. Naruto has the skill to beat him, but, it doesn't mean Naruto should be a higher rank than him.

[Sushi]

Ranking isn't as important as what you accomplished.
Naruto accomplished more than anyone and saved more life than anyone.
Ranking is just a title, and title is just for reconization (to show who you are)
ex. if the hokage walk down street and no one knows that your the hokage,
therefore there's no point if no one reconize you.that's why they made
ranking...it's just something to represent. Rankings also are used so you can
do missions that fits you. Test skill>get Ranking,get Ranking>Easier Life....
so genin dun do jonin stuff and jonin dun do genin stuff (that would be missed up)

[Hyuuga Heir]

How well versed with powerful jutsu you are isn't all there is to your Rank.

Intelligence, experience, professionalism, loyalty and faith seems to have a heavy impact on the Rankings of shinobi in Naruto. Although Naruto has the strength of a Kage because of his immense level of jutsu, his intelligence, experience and professionalism is absolutely dreadful. He is certainly not Genin level, he's probably deservant of Chunin, no higher tbh.

In general. A Jonin>A Genin. Kakashi is a much more well rounded ninja than Naruto, he has skills which make extremely useful even out of battle, whether Naruto doesn't really. Naruto has the skill to beat him, but, it doesn't mean Naruto should be a higher rank than him.

And to me those fall under the title of "Skills". So no argument there.

Ranking isn't as important as what you accomplished.
Naruto accomplished more than anyone and saved more life than anyone.
Ranking is just a title, and title is just for reconization (to show who you are)
ex. if the hokage walk down street and no one knows that your the hokage,
therefore there's no point if no one reconize you.that's why they made
ranking...it's just something to represent. Rankings also are used so you can
do missions that fits you. Test skill>get Ranking,get Ranking>Easier Life....
so genin dun do jonin stuff and jonin dun do genin stuff (that would be missed up)

And your saying that the Hokages didn't do recognizeable accomplishments? Everyone knew who the Hokage was at their respective times. Being Hokage isn't about being famous or well-reknowned throughout the ninja world. It's about protecting your village and doing what's best for the people in it. The part in bold... is just plain common sense, obviously.

The point of my argument is that Hayate Gekko, though a Special Jonin, is that he is not of any value to Kabuto to the plot, thus there is know reason for him to be summoned through Edo Tensei. Unless there is some untold information or skill Hayate knows (i.e. "Plot no Jutsu") then there is no valuable purpose in bringing him back.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

was that really hayate?!! i didnt know that...
i liked him, he was a pretty cool character....i miss him too...

[Vivi]

Special Jonin means they are above rank of an average Jonin. Sometimes they are ANBU members and so forth.

Kakashi is or was an special Jonin and the same applies to Asuma and Yamato.

A Special Jonin is just a Jounin specializing in a single area.

Best example is Ibiki = Interrogation due to his expertism on the Mind.

How well versed with powerful jutsu you are isn't all there is to your Rank.This.

Naruto by Power is clearly Kage Level though he clearly lacks the Intelligence to lead a Village.


Anyhow in regards to the Thread:
Would make sense:
Baki praised Hayate's ability due to being able to use Dance of the Crescent and Kabuto was pretty much almost beside them.

[Kreegah!!!]

Tsunade and Shikamaru wanted jonin on his team for the Sasuke Retrieval mission, but Tsunade had none to spare. Chunin can lead jonin. I believe it's called tactical command. Even in military life in the real world, ranks are not cut & dried as far as Chain of Command goes. You WILL find odd steps here and there for a number of reasons. Special Jonin are not full jonin, but they are specialists. Regular Jonin may have more power and a jack-of-all trades thing going for them, but the specialist has his specialty going for him. He's an expert in that one tiny area, and if you meet him on those grounds you will be butt-hurt. Hayate is a sword specialist, especially of this crescent moon dance doohickey. You can be sure that he's mastered it to an appreciable level.

As ViVi has herself said, Kabuto wasn't far off when Baki engaged Hayate. Baki wasn't overly taxed of course, but he was still impressed. And, we must not forget that Hayate was ill at the time. If this guy is Hayate, I can't wait to see what he brings to the table.

[Hyuuga Heir]

If it does end up being Hayate, then kudos to you for being right. But I don't see the point, other than he knows of information or there is some other technique we haven't seen from him yet. I never once stated that Jutsu were the sole reason for selecting ninja rank.

[Hyuuga Heir]

Tsunade and Shikamaru wanted jonin on his team for the Sasuke Retrieval mission, but Tsunade had none to spare. Chunin can lead jonin. I believe it's called tactical command. Even in military life in the real world, ranks are not cut & dried as far as Chain of Command goes. You WILL find odd steps here and there for a number of reasons. Special Jonin are not full jonin, but they are specialists. Regular Jonin may have more power and a jack-of-all trades thing going for them, but the specialist has his specialty going for him. He's an expert in that one tiny area, and if you meet him on those grounds you will be butt-hurt. Hayate is a sword specialist, especially of this crescent moon dance doohickey. You can be sure that he's mastered it to an appreciable level.

As ViVi has herself said, Kabuto wasn't far off when Baki engaged Hayate. Baki wasn't overly taxed of course, but he was still impressed. And, we must not forget that Hayate was ill at the time. If this guy is Hayate, I can't wait to see what he brings to the table.
Did she say she "wanted them on his team to lead", "wanted them to lead his team", or "wanted a team of jonin" for Sasuke's retrieval? All I'm asking for is proof.

[Kreegah!!!]

Did she say she "wanted them on his team to lead", "wanted them to lead his team", or "wanted a team of jonin" for Sasuke's retrieval? All I'm asking for is proof.

Shika asked for a team of chunin and jonin, and Tsunade agreed that would be the best bet, but that it wasn't possible at the moment. Chapter: 182 I think.

Anywho, I know you don't mean that jutsu is sole reason for rank, I'm just pointing out that occasionally a lower-ranked member is charged with leading a mission because the mission may call for a specific skill-set to complete - such as very-coordinated assaults and strategic planning, which Shikamaru would have above most others. Sometimes a select few people will change up command on the go as the situation calls, but this is very risky outside a fairly small, well-trained group because it could lead easily to confusion in the ranks of soldiers - but I digress.

Anyway, I agree that we can't even know until we receive positive mention that he is indeed Hayate. I think it looks like him, but hey... who knows??:|

[Hyuuga Heir]

Yes, what you're saying makes sense and I can't deny that. And who knows, it could've been PNJ or not, just to make it work with the story. We all know how often that happens.....

You have to wonder if it might be him, but think how many ninja probably where their headbands that way; those from Konoha and those not.

[EvL j3st3r]

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and on the kakashi chronicle flash back, kakashi was leading minato,rin,and obito.

plus+, naruto can beat almost everyone in the village. but how come his only a genin?

Swing and a miss

[Jakropha]

Weaker? Pretty sure a Jonin (someone well rounded in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu) could kick his butt... Useless? No, every ninja has their place. Less valuable? Yes. He hasn't shown anything to prove he is a valuable asset to Kabuto.

If he could be killed by Baki, then wouldnt Kabuto just kill Baki then rezz him?
I mean Yugao isnt even a threat if you consider it :/

I thought it was Hayate at first, but then I thought, "If he's Hayate, then Obito must be back too!"

Same concept really :p
No Obito, no Hayate

But my theories never last, so it might be Hayate, but for what reason he would come back I would never know :|

[Kreegah!!!]

Yes, what you're saying makes sense and I can't deny that. And who knows, it could've been PNJ or not, just to make it work with the story. We all know how often that happens.....

You have to wonder if it might be him, but think how many ninja probably where their headbands that way; those from Konoha and those not.

Indeed.:D

Right. And we never get more than a glimpse of him at a time.:|

If he could be killed by Baki, then wouldnt Kabuto just kill Baki then rezz him?
I mean Yugao isnt even a threat if you consider it :/

I thought it was Hayate at first, but then I thought, "If he's Hayate, then Obito must be back too!"

Same concept really :p
No Obito, no Hayate

But my theories never last, so it might be Hayate, but for what reason he would come back I would never know :|

It's OK, Jak, breathe easy. We'll see soon enough, like as not. ;)

[Jakropha]

Indeed.:D

Right. And we never get more than a glimpse of him at a time.:|



It's OK, Jak, breathe easy. We'll see soon enough, like as not. ;)

Oh I breathe, but not easy :(

No im not on Oxy therapy if you ask.

I found a way to be at peace when it comes to Naruto Cliffhangers
Stop watching it and do stuff that doesnt leave me thinking.
Until Naruto is updated, then I read/watch it until im done, then do other st0ff

[Vivi]

If it is Hayate I wonder of we get to see his other Jutsu.
Chapter 80 Page 16 he was prepared to use some Jutsu on Neji.

[Hidden Ninja45]

I know who that is.

He is Hayato Gekko. The guy who was killed by Baki in the Chunin Exams/Leaf Invasion arc.

How?

All we know of this mysterious man is that he wears the Leaf Chunin vest so he is a former Leaf ninja plus he wears an bandana like Genma Shiranui and Hayato weared an bandana too.

Why?

Hayato before his death was supposely an skilled swordsmen in the Leaf Style: Dance of the Crescent Moon which is a A-rank skill(says the databooks). Plus he could be used an weapon of mental anguish to his former friends, colleges, and lover(Yugao Uzuki).

Care to provide a chapter number and page that shows this guy you are talking about? Not Hayato himself from earlier chapters, but the guy you think is Hayato from whatever recent chapter he was shown in. I only found one page, but it's really inconclusive.