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Vivi
03-15-2011, 09:21 AM
From Ohana:

From Flipping through the chap

Flashback of the past fight of hanzo vs mifune
Hanzo commits hara-kiri(suicide)

Inoshikacho vs asma
Although Shikamaru seizes a chance and give choji an order to attack.
Choji can't.
Asma while saying "dodge it!" makes counter attack.

Yes.Early Spoilers.

Jonesy
03-15-2011, 09:26 AM
Choji needs to stop being a wuss and, in the words of Mortal Kombat, FINISH HIM.

Shooting Star
03-15-2011, 09:27 AM
Wow. That was unexpected.

Anyway, it doesn't seem it'll happen much apart from the battle between the members of Team 10. But I guess it's yet to soon for spoilers. I'll be waiting for further details later. :)

Wooster
03-15-2011, 09:51 AM
Hanzo is gone? Good. Let's keep moving through all this dross Kabuto revived.

Skrall
03-15-2011, 10:11 AM
Seriously Kishi? Suicide? For like, what, the 3rd Time since NS begun? :roll: I know it must be hard to come up with new ways of sealing ninjas revived by Impure World Ressurection but at least avoid spamming the same killing/sealing methodes over and over again...suicide...and TnJ.

mrsticky005
03-15-2011, 11:05 AM
It's not really suicide when you are already dead. But for lack of a better word...

Actually I think story wise it's good that Choji can't just finish Asuma. It shows that Kabuto's strategy to mess with his opponent's minds is actually working. At the same
time this will be a good chance for Choji to develop more as a character.

I wonder if Asuma will retain his personality in this fight?

Parak111
03-15-2011, 12:09 PM
Hanzo commits suicide by the means of seppuku.

It's interesting why, as the seppuku is the way of the samurai and Hanzo's a ninja. I'd expect seppuku from Mifune if anything, but not from Hanzo.

I think I see Hanzo's plan though. He "commits suicide", fools Mifune that he's dead, and KA-BOOM! He stabs him in the back. Yearrrghhhh....

Space Cowboy Sasori
03-15-2011, 12:34 PM
Lol Hanzo.

mrsticky005
03-15-2011, 01:01 PM
Hanzo commits suicide by the means of seppuku.

It's interesting why, as the seppuku is the way of the samurai and Hanzo's a ninja. I'd expect seppuku from Mifune if anything, but not from Hanzo.

I think I see Hanzo's plan though. He "commits suicide", fools Mifune that he's dead, and KA-BOOM! He stabs him in the back. Yearrrghhhh....

I think that's the whole point of it happening. It's the opposite of what you would normally expect.

Since when do knives go kaboom? :|

zerosameri
03-15-2011, 01:06 PM
What Vivi said Spoiler wise :lol:

Hanzou got such a lame death.:|

mrsticky005
03-15-2011, 01:14 PM
What Vivi said Spoiler wise :lol:

Hanzou got such a lame death.:|

You mean his actual death or when he seppukus his already dead body?

Though Hanzo was kinda lame from the beginning.
He's overhyped because he beat the Sannin.

Parak111
03-15-2011, 01:19 PM
I think that's the whole point of it happening. It's the opposite of what you would normally expect.

Since when do knives go kaboom? :|


They don't. I just used a more unusual choice of words.:geek:

It's Kishimoto I guess. He'll bring the opposite of what's normal. I truly didn't expect that though. Next thing you know, you'll see samurai using ninjutsu. I wouldn't be surprised, even though Kishimoto alluded that they cannot.

By the way, anyone know what's up with Iruka? Haven't seen him since the end of the Pain invasion arc. Kurenai too, though in the manga she hasn't been seen since Asuma's death.

mrsticky005
03-15-2011, 01:53 PM
They don't. I just used a more unusual choice of words.:geek:

It's Kishimoto I guess. He'll bring the opposite of what's normal. I truly didn't expect that though. Next thing you know, you'll see samurai using ninjutsu. I wouldn't be surprised, even though Kishimoto alluded that they cannot.

By the way, anyone know what's up with Iruka? Haven't seen him since the end of the Pain invasion arc. Kurenai too, though in the manga she hasn't been seen since Asuma's death.

When did Kishimoto say that Samurai can't use ninjutsu?

They can already use chakra.

Wooster
03-15-2011, 01:54 PM
Hanzo commits suicide by the means of seppuku.

It's interesting why, as the seppuku is the way of the samurai and Hanzo's a ninja. I'd expect seppuku from Mifune if anything, but not from Hanzo.

I think I see Hanzo's plan though. He "commits suicide", fools Mifune that he's dead, and KA-BOOM! He stabs him in the back. Yearrrghhhh....
Hanzo said he was a former samurai.
You mean his actual death or when he seppukus his already dead body?

Though Hanzo was kinda lame from the beginning.
He's overhyped because he beat the Sannin.
Who was overhyped to overhyped Pain, which really doesn't make sense.
Jiraiya himself almost beat Pain, and Pain himself said Jiraiya probably would have won if he new the Pain secret. Anywho, I am glad Hanzo is out of the way.

Kreegah!!!
03-15-2011, 02:15 PM
Man, all this Hanzo hatin' and I'm thinking of performing Hara-kiri.

Haytchoo.

Vivi
03-15-2011, 02:23 PM
Asuma vs Ino-Shika-Cho:
Shikamaru : Stop being a slowpoke, Chouji. Pull yourself together.
Ino : He's coming !
Asuma : Shikamaru ! Use Shadow Mimic on Chouji to capture me !
Shikamaru : That's what I'm planning. ( Kage Mane no Jutsu ! )

Shikamaru manage to capture Asuma by using Chouji's shadow.

Shikamaru : Now, Chouji !

Asuma : (Perfect !)

Chouji uses Partial Multi-Expansion Jutsu on his hand and goes for Asuma's face but stops his gigantic
fist just before hitting Asuma's face.

Asuma : What the HELL are you doing Chouji ?

Shikamaru : Chouji ! Come on !

Ino : Chouji ...

Chouji : I can't. I just can't. I'm unable to knock down Asuma. I can't do that.

Asuma : Chouji ! ( Asuma roundhouse kick and blow off chouji )

Asuma : DODGE ! Fuuton : Fuujin no Jutsu ( Wind Style : Dust Blast Technique )

zerosameri
03-15-2011, 02:45 PM
You mean his actual death or when he seppukus his already dead body?

Though Hanzo was kinda lame from the beginning.
He's overhyped because he beat the Sannin.
Originaldeath.

Lets not have Madara, end up being a lame character that only had hype. I mean Hanzou was hyped like Madara. And now look at him :???:

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532 ミフネVS半蔵、決着!!
ミフネ、半蔵に一閃!!二人の過去に何が…!!

ミフネ 貴殿はワシを忘れていたが… 拙者を斬った時去り際に何と言ったかも覚えてはいないの だろうな…
半蔵崩れてく …

過去戦った時
ミフネ刀が折れて膝をついてる 半蔵斬って立ってる
ミフネ頭から流血
半蔵 山椒魚の毒だ もちろん鎌にも塗りつけてある
ミフネ クッ…
半蔵 なぜオレが山椒魚の半蔵と恐れられているか その秘密を教えてやる 冥土の土産というや つだ 俺の里 では猛毒を持つ黒山椒魚が一匹いた
ミフネ !?
半蔵 そいつが死んだ時 子供だったオレの体にそいつの毒袋がうめこまれた ちょうどここだ( 左わき腹)毒 のい耐性を体に持たせた毒人間にするためだ オレは呼吸だけで周りの人間を毒にかけることが出 来る ガキの 頃の恐れられたオレは周りの安全のため
口呼吸しかできなくされた
ミフネ なら…なぜ拙者との戦いで… それ…をはずさぬ…
半蔵 そうすることも多々ある…が そいつにはリスクもあってな マスクにはもう一つの役割が ある… 毒よ けだ
ミフネ ?
半蔵 もし戦いによりオレの中の毒袋が斬られ…毒の原液が体外へ流れ出た場合… その毒液から 気化したガス を吸い込めば 耐性のあるオレ自身でさえその強すぎる毒にやられ動けなくなる… 死にはしない が…スキを生 じる お前のような腕ききを相手にするときはなおさらだ 
スキをつくるわけにはいかぬ 
持っていたのは鈍だったがな…
ミフネ 人は…刀…そのもの… 拙者も…鈍だったと…いう…いう事か… これで…終わりか…無 念…
半蔵 … 一つ言っておく…人が終わるときは死ぬ時ではない
ミフネ ?
半蔵 信念をなくした時だ だからこそ厄介である… 外見からは判断がつかぬ お前がここで死んだとしても鈍ではない
ミフネ … 倒れこむ
半蔵 それはオレの名に怖じ気づき逃げ 初めから勝負を投げ捨てたお前の仲間達のことを言う  お前はその身 を縦に皆を守ろうとした
ミフネ ハアハア
半蔵 お前はオレが英雄として語り継ぐ!死の代わりとして名を名乗れ!
ミフネ 死の代わり…として… 約束を…してくれ…
半蔵 …さあ…言え 
ミフネ …侍の…仲間には… 手を出すな
半蔵 …
ミフネ …
半蔵 解毒薬だ
ミフネ !?
半蔵 人には信念があるかどうかは外見だけでは判断が付かぬと言ったな 戦って分かる事もある … お前のよ うな奴は久しぶりだ 今回は…助けてやる… …まあ…この薬ののんだろして死ぬ可能性がないわ けではないが
半蔵、ミフネに解毒薬飲ませる
半蔵 …信念を貫くことは難しい オレにも信念がある… この世に平和をもたらす事だ お前で 確かめてやる …
ミフネ ?
半蔵 この先… 信念を抱いたまま死ぬか それとも生きながら信念をすてる事になるのか …

現世
半蔵 …
ミフネ 確かめるハズの貴殿が 本当に信念を捨ててしまったのか!?
半蔵 …それは… 外見からは判断がつかぬものだ
ミフネ !
半蔵 不死身のワシを止める方法ならある… かつて説明したな…ミフネ お前はさがって その スキを狙いワ シを封印しろ どうやらお前には…
侍たちが掛けてくる ミフネ様!奴の毒が!
ミフネ 拙者なら大丈夫だ …この毒には耐性がある…だがここからはそうはいかん… お主たち も拙者と一緒 にさがり 封印の準備をしろ!
半蔵 鎌拾い上げる (毒から生き延びただけはある)
ミフネ この辺りで様子を見る (半蔵殿…)
半蔵 ミフネ貴様にーーー(ワシの信念を託す!!)半蔵鎌の刃を自分のお腹に刺して引く(左わ き腹)
ミフネ …
侍A 切腹!?
半蔵 この毒は…強力だ… 耐性があろうが気をつけろ
カブト ! (ボクの札の命令に反発している…!? 自害!?ならここから自動的に自我のない モードに入る だけだ…)
ミフネ 隠れて己の身を削る事なく人をただコマのように操っている輩 半蔵殿はそんな輩には屈 しなかった
半蔵 震えながら崩れてく
ミフネ 身を削りその信念を取り戻した貴殿は鈍ではなかった
布持った忍 半蔵を封印
カブト (なに!? いきなり止まった!?)
ミフネ 貴殿は拙者が英雄として語り継ぐ!!その信念しかと見届けた!お見事…半蔵殿!!


砂ほこりが舞う中 猪鹿蝶が出てくる チョウジ倒れる
シカマル 動きが鈍いぞチョウジ!しっかりしろ!
イノ 来たよ!!
アスマ シカマル!影真似の網を張ってチョウジの方へオレを誘い込め!
シカマル そのつもりだよ!(影真似の術!!)
シカマルの影、アスマを捕まえてチョウジの前に
シカマル 今だ!チョウジ!
アスマ (よし!)
チョウジ 手だけ倍化の術して、アスマをパンチしようとするけどアスマの顔の直前で止める
アスマ 何してるチョウジ!
シカマル しっかりしろ!覚悟決めたんじゃねーのか!
イノ チョウジ…!
チョウジ やっぱりボクには無理だ! 先生を殴り倒すなんてことできっこないよ!!
アスマ チョウジ!!(アスマ、チョウジのお腹にキック チョウジ吹っ飛ぶ)
アスマ よけろ!!(風遁・風塵の術!)


情がチョウジを惑わせる…!!
終わり★サーセイ

Vivi
03-15-2011, 02:51 PM
It seems Hanzo can Poison his surroundings just by breathing.

Seems like Mifune is poisoned as well.

Lady Tsunade
03-15-2011, 02:52 PM
Asuma vs Ino-Shika-Cho:
Shikamaru : Stop being a slowpoke, Chouji. Pull yourself together.
Ino : He's coming !
Asuma : Shikamaru ! Use Shadow Mimic on Chouji to capture me !
Shikamaru : That's what I'm planning. ( Kage Mane no Jutsu ! )

Shikamaru manage to capture Asuma by using Chouji's shadow.

Shikamaru : Now, Chouji !

Asuma : (Perfect !)

Chouji uses Partial Multi-Expansion Jutsu on his hand and goes for Asuma's face but stops his gigantic
fist just before hitting Asuma's face.

Asuma : What the HELL are you doing Chouji ?

Shikamaru : Chouji ! Come on !

Ino : Chouji ...

Chouji : I can't. I just can't. I'm unable to knock down Asuma. I can't do that.

Asuma : Chouji ! ( Asuma roundhouse kick and blow off chouji )

Asuma : DODGE ! Fuuton : Fuujin no Jutsu ( Wind Style : Dust Blast Technique )

:lol:

zerosameri
03-15-2011, 04:24 PM
Mifune Vs Hanzou, Final Round.

Mifune : You don't remember me, all right. But it seems you don't even remember our past fight.

Past

Mifune's sword is destroyed.
Hanzou slash him and Mifune bleed from his head.

Hanzou : This is the poison of the Salamander. Of course, my weapon is poisoned too.
Mifune : Ugh
Hanzou : I'll tell you why people call me "Hanzou of the Salamander". As a souvenir you will take with you to hell.
In my village there is a black salamander that can create mortal toxical poison.

Mifune : !?

Hanzou : I was a child When it died. I embedded his poison bag. It's right here. ( Left side of his stomach ) so I can be immune to his poison.
And I can poison my surrounding just by breathing.

As I child I was scared so I stopped breathing with my mouth to prevent poisoning my surrounding.

Mifune : So why didn't you remove your mask ?

Hanzou : Because there is a risk. My mask is there to prevent me from breathing my own poison.
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : Think about it, if someone slash my inner poison bag, the poison would exit my body and there is a possibility that I would breath it.
If I breath all the poison, it would override my poison resistance and I would be render unable to move, creathig an opening.
And I can't allow this to happen. So I can fight people like you.

Mifune : People and swords are alike. But now it's ... over for me. Profound Sadness !

Hanzou : Let me tell you something. Do you know when people die ?
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : When they lose their beliefs.

That's why you were a pain. People judge from outward apparence. You may be defeated but
that's not because you were too soft.

That's because you were afraid of my name. Because you swore to prtect your friends. Thoses friends you used as shields.

Mifune : *panting*

Hanzou : Now, hero, I will name you. Tell me when you die, Tell me your NAME !

Mifune : *breathing heavily*

Hanzou : Let me hear it !

Mifune : Don't ever lay a hand on my samurai comrades.

Hanzou : Here's a counter poison medecine.

Mifune : ?

Hanzou : They say you can't judge one's belief by looking at people. I realized during battle.
It's been a long time I saw someone like you. Today, I let you live. It's not like you were going to die immediatly after, though.

Hanzou uses counter poison medecine on Mifune.

Hanzou : From on now, will you die with your beliefs ? Or will you throw them and live ?

Back to present.
Mifune : I wanted to make sure but ... did you really threw you beliefs ?
Hanzou : You can't judge that by looking at me.
Mifune : !

Hanzou : I'm immortal all right, but there is a way to stop me. I already explained it to you Mifune.
Use the opening to seal me. If you don't do it, you will ...

Samurai : Master Mifune ! The poison is ...

Mifune : I'm ok. I have resistance against this poison. But from on now it will be different.
Everyone back off, with me. Prepare the seal.

Hanzou prepare to use his blade.

Mifune : Look around you.

Hanzou : Mifune, I entrust my beliefs to you. ( Hanzou stabs himself with his blade ).


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More to come.


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Shikamaru : Stop being a slowpoke, Chouji. Pull yourself together.
Ino : He's coming !
Asuma : Shikamaru ! Use Shadow Mimic on Chouji to capture me !
Shikamaru : That's what I'm planning. ( Kage Mane no Jutsu ! )

Shikamaru manage to capture Asuma by using Chouji's shadow.

Shikamaru : Now, Chouji !

Asuma : (Perfect !)

Chouji uses Partial Multi-Expansion Jutsu on his hand and goes for Asuma's head but stops his gigantic
fist just before hitting Asuma's face.

Asuma : What the HELL are you doing Chouji ?

Shikamaru : Chouji ! Come on !

Ino : Chouji ...

Chouji : I can't. I just can't. I'm unable to knock down and hit Asuma. I can't do that.

Asuma : Chouji ! ( Asuma roundhouse kick and blow off chouji )

Asuma : DODGE ! Fuuton : Fuujin no Jutsu ( Wind Style : Dust Blast Technique )......

Wooster
03-15-2011, 05:04 PM
Aha, I knew it. Mifiune does have poison resistance.

Yori
03-15-2011, 08:41 PM
Good, keeping things rolling. Get these lame edo's out and send the next group in.

JazzJunkie4
03-15-2011, 11:19 PM
So the immortal edo tensei's can kill themselves:???:

Wooster
03-16-2011, 06:24 AM
If they believe hard enough, yes.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 06:38 AM
Hanzo said he was a former samurai.

Who was overhyped to overhyped Pain, which really doesn't make sense.
Jiraiya himself almost beat Pain, and Pain himself said Jiraiya probably would have won if he new the Pain secret. Anywho, I am glad Hanzo is out of the way.

I think even if Jirayia knew Pain's secret he still would have lost.
Despite looking like he's handicapped, Nagato has all the powers
of the 7 paths including his own power of the yin/yang.
Jirayia would have to escape the six paths and fight Nagato and win.

Pain flat out beat Jirayia. Jirayia took out one path.

Naruto on the other hand took out six and it's debatable if he could take out the 7th.


Originaldeath.

Lets not have Madara, end up being a lame character that only had hype. I mean Hanzou was hyped like Madara. And now look at him :???:
[/SPOILER]

Madara had the fight against Konan and against Foo and Torune which
already makes him cooler than Hanzo. Plus the fact that Pain takes
orders from him. Also there's the fight against Minato which although
he had to escape from at least it showed him extract the nine tails
like it was a piece of cake.

But yeah, Madara better bring it.

Wooster
03-16-2011, 08:24 AM
I think even if Jirayia knew Pain's secret he still would have lost.
Despite looking like he's handicapped, Nagato has all the powers
of the 7 paths including his own power of the yin/yang.
Jirayia would have to escape the six paths and fight Nagato and win.

Pain flat out beat Jirayia. Jirayia took out one path.

Naruto on the other hand took out six and it's debatable if he could take out the 7th.




Madara had the fight against Konan and against Foo and Torune which
already makes him cooler than Hanzo. Plus the fact that Pain takes
orders from him. Also there's the fight against Minato which although
he had to escape from at least it showed him extract the nine tails
like it was a piece of cake.

But yeah, Madara better bring it.Jiraiya killed four pathes of Pain and then lost is arm. If he knew that there were six paths that would not have happened. Anywho, Pain was supposedly much stronger than Hanzo who was much stronger than the newly minted sanin. Whatever the case, he ain't that stronger. Especailly considering Naruto beat Pain and now has a heck of a lot more control over his nine tail and sage powers.

Hanzo no doubt ruled by fear rather than actual power. All he essentially did was nearly beat three likely freshmen Jonin. Not that amazing.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 10:11 AM
Jiraiya killed four pathes of Pain and then lost is arm. If he knew that there were six paths that would not have happened. Anywho, Pain was supposedly much stronger than Hanzo who was much stronger than the newly minted sanin. Whatever the case, he ain't that stronger. Especailly considering Naruto beat Pain and now has a heck of a lot more control over his nine tail and sage powers.

Hanzo no doubt ruled by fear rather than actual power. All he essentially did was nearly beat three likely freshmen Jonin. Not that amazing.

Jirayia did kill 4 of them but it's basically pointless since he didn't kill
the one path that can resurrect them. The whole trouble with fighting
Pain is that he has 7 bodies, 5 of which can be resurrected easily (assuming that the Naraka Path can't resurrect itself nor can it resurrect Nagato because Nagato would be the one channeling the powers.)
Naruto beat the six paths of Pain because he figured out more or less
that this was the key to beating Pain and although he didn't out right
defeat the 7th Path of Pain that being Nagato he did convince it to
kill itself and resurrect the entire village which is even better than
just simply defeating Nagato. So Naruto IMO is much better than Jirayia.

I think Jirayia is strong when compared to someone like Kakashi who is strong when compared to the average ninja. But he's not on Pain's level.
However I think against Hanzo it was more of a case of Jirayia being
weaker back then more than Hanzo being stronger.

Jinchiruuki
03-16-2011, 10:31 AM
Regardless...I wanna see Mifune open a can of whoop ass on someone rather than some crappy Edo commiting suicide....-_-
I have taken a keen interest in his character.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 12:02 PM
Regardless...I wanna see Mifune open a can of whoop ass on someone rather than some crappy Edo commiting suicide....-_-
I have taken a keen interest in his character.

I didn't care for Mifune too much before when he was just moderator man
of the samurai who got beaten by the sauce. But now he's seeming a bit
cooler and the samurai were actually pretty cool to have gas masks.
Which makes me wonder why ninjas especially Kankuro don't do that more often.

What would be a good fight for Mifune?

Noctis Arashi
03-16-2011, 12:09 PM
If edo can kill themselves, why the hell don't most of them?

Lady Tsunade
03-16-2011, 12:26 PM
Depending on the poisons effects, its possible he may not be able to regenerate quickly enough to recover, or something like that =o

Jinchiruuki
03-16-2011, 12:28 PM
I didn't care for Mifune too much before when he was just moderator man
of the samurai who got beaten by the sauce. But now he's seeming a bit
cooler and the samurai were actually pretty cool to have gas masks.
Which makes me wonder why ninjas especially Kankuro don't do that more often.

What would be a good fight for Mifune?


Sasori vs Mifune would be an awesome fight but entirely irrelevant to backgrounds of both characters as of right now..unless TNJ/PNJ comes in...


I don't know though who would be a good fight for him that would be semi relevant.. XD though Mifune vs Sasori or hidan would be epic.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 01:17 PM
Sasori vs Mifune would be an awesome fight but entirely irrelevant to backgrounds of both characters as of right now..unless TNJ/PNJ comes in...


I don't know though who would be a good fight for him that would be semi relevant.. XD though Mifune vs Sasori or hidan would be epic.

Well Sasori is already gone so that's out of the picture.

I don't think so on Hidan. I mean his weapon is too similar to Hanzo's.

Besides that I rather not have to deal with Hidan again.
Actually I was never that big on any of the Akatsuki being
revived to fight again but it's whatever. As long as the fights are cool.

I think Mifune should fight...Chiyo.

Before you say "she's an old bag of bones with one foot in the grave"
remember that she has BOTH feet in the grave. However already being
dead but reanimated she shouldn't have problems of being too tired.

Jinchiruuki
03-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Well Sasori is already gone so that's out of the picture.

I don't think so on Hidan. I mean his weapon is too similar to Hanzo's.

Besides that I rather not have to deal with Hidan again.
Actually I was never that big on any of the Akatsuki being
revived to fight again but it's whatever. As long as the fights are cool.

I think Mifune should fight...Chiyo.

Before you say "she's an old bag of bones with one foot in the grave"
remember that she has BOTH feet in the grave. However already being
dead but reanimated she shouldn't have problems of being too tired.


Chiyo would stomp him -_- 10 puppets of Chikamatsu or whatever technique? Yeah dead Mifune.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Chiyo would stomp him -_- 10 puppets of Chikamatsu or whatever technique? Yeah dead Mifune.

And fighting Sasori would be any less difficult?

Chiyo vs Mifune!!!

Wooster
03-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Jirayia did kill 4 of them but it's basically pointless since he didn't kill
the one path that can resurrect them. The whole trouble with fighting
Pain is that he has 7 bodies, 5 of which can be resurrected easily (assuming that the Naraka Path can't resurrect itself nor can it resurrect Nagato because Nagato would be the one channeling the powers.)
Naruto beat the six paths of Pain because he figured out more or less
that this was the key to beating Pain and although he didn't out right
defeat the 7th Path of Pain that being Nagato he did convince it to
kill itself and resurrect the entire village which is even better than
just simply defeating Nagato. So Naruto IMO is much better than Jirayia.

I think Jirayia is strong when compared to someone like Kakashi who is strong when compared to the average ninja. But he's not on Pain's level.
However I think against Hanzo it was more of a case of Jirayia being
weaker back then more than Hanzo being stronger.If he knew there were more then he could have planned accordingly. His problem fighting agaisnt all six was that he was severely wounded will doing so. I think think Jiraiya could take down all the Six Paths of Pain by himself if he had foreknowledge of their attacks even without it he took down three.
Obviously, Nagato himself is the X-Factor, but if Jiraiya forced him to use the revival jutsu, then that would have been a major dent in Madara's plan right there.
Naruto is better than Jiraiya that was the whole point of te battle. The young surpassing the old. We already knew Minato was better than everyone else in Konoha (he was the only one that could take down Orochimaru apparently), so no surprise as Naruto was being directly compared to his, at the time, unbeknowst father.


Yeah, Jiraiys is better than Kakshi. This was directly demonstrated by Kakshi losing to two paths of Pain when he had foreknowledge about their abilities. Hanzo was only built up to make Pain seem impressive, which he sort of is, with the power leveling that has occured through Part II he is just a standard ninja now. Nothing to compare to the likes of Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Kabuto or Danzo.

zerosameri
03-16-2011, 02:11 PM
Madara had the fight against Konan and against Foo and Torune which
already makes him cooler than Hanzo. Plus the fact that Pain takes
orders from him. Also there's the fight against Minato which although
he had to escape from at least it showed him extract the nine tails
like it was a piece of cake.

But yeah, Madara better bring it.The Konan vs Madara fight was lame, clearly he would power rape her. Though that fight gave us good info. The Foo and Torune fight was cool, but not epic. Pain only look orders from Madara was because of Nagato (well only like 30%), but that was cool. The Minato fight was EPIC!.

He needs to bring it.


Mifune Vs Hanzou, Final Round.

Mifune : You don't remember me, all right. But it seems you don't even remember our past fight.

Past

Mifune's sword is destroyed.
Hanzou slash him and Mifune bleed from his head.

Hanzou : This is the poison of the Salamander. Of course, my weapon is poisoned too.
Mifune : Ugh
Hanzou : I'll tell you why people call me "Hanzou of the Salamander". As a souvenir you will take with you to hell.
In my village there is a black salamander that can create mortal toxical poison.

Mifune : !?

Hanzou : I was a child When it died. I embedded his poison bag. It's right here. ( Left side of his stomach ) so I can be immune to his poison.
And I can poison my surrounding just by breathing.

As I child I was scared so I stopped breathing with my mouth to prevent poisoning my surrounding.

Mifune : So why didn't you remove your mask ?

Hanzou : Because there is a risk. My mask as another purpose. To prevent me from breathing my own poison.
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : Think about it, if someone slash my inner poison bag, the poison would exit my body and there is a possibility that I would breath it.
If I breath all the poison, it would override my poison resistance and I would be render unable to move, creathig an opening.
And I can't allow this to happen. So I can fight people like you.

Mifune : People and swords are alike. But now it's ... over for me. Profound Sadness !

Hanzou : Let me tell you something. Do you know when people die ?
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : When they lose their beliefs.

That's why you were a pain. People judge from outward apparence. You may be defeated but
that's not because you were too soft.

That's because you were afraid of my name. Because you swore to prtect your friends. Thoses friends you used as shields.

Mifune : *panting*

Hanzou : Now, hero, I will name you. Tell me when you die, Tell me your NAME !

Mifune : *breathing heavily*

Hanzou : Let me hear it !

Mifune : Don't ever lay a hand on my samurai comrades.

Hanzou : Here's a counter poison medecine.

Mifune : ?

Hanzou : They say you can't judge one's belief by looking at people. I realized during battle.
It's been a long time I saw someone like you. Today, I let you live. It's not like you were going to die immediatly after, though.

Hanzou uses counter poison medecine on Mifune.

Hanzou : From on now, will you die with your beliefs ? Or will you throw them and live ?

Back to present.
Mifune : I wanted to make sure but ... did you really threw you beliefs ?
Hanzou : You can't judge that by looking at me.
Mifune : !

Hanzou : I'm immortal all right, but there is a way to stop me. I already explained it to you Mifune.
Use the opening to seal me. If you don't do it, you will ...

Samurai : Master Mifune ! The poison is ...

Mifune : I'm ok. I have resistance against this poison. But from on now it will be different.
Everyone back off, with me. Prepare the seal.

Hanzou prepare to use his blade.

Mifune : Look around you.

Hanzou : Mifune, I entrust my beliefs to you. ( Hanzou stabs himself with his blade ).

Samurai : Seppuku ?

Hanzou : This poison is the real deal.
You can't breath this even if your have resistance against it, be careful.

Kabuto : My order fuuda tag is faiding. Suicide ? Then I just have to control all their moves myself one by one.

Hanzou shivers and crumbles.


Mifune : So you didn't threw you beliefs after all.


Multiple ninjas performs a seal on Hanzou.

Kabuto : What the ? The tag stopped working.

Mifune : "Hero" was the name you gave me. I was able to see your beliefs with my own eyes. Well done, Hanzou-dono.

-------------------------

Shikamaru : Stop being a slowpoke, Chouji. Pull yourself together.
Ino : He's coming !
Asuma : Shikamaru ! Use Shadow Mimic on Chouji to capture me !
Shikamaru : That's what I'm planning. ( Kage Mane no Jutsu ! )

Shikamaru manage to capture Asuma by using Chouji's shadow.

Shikamaru : Now, Chouji !

Asuma : (Perfect !)

Chouji uses Partial Multi-Expansion Jutsu on his hand and goes for Asuma's head but stops his gigantic
fist just before hitting Asuma's face.

Asuma : What the HELL are you doing Chouji ?

Shikamaru : Chouji ! Come on !

Ino : Chouji ...

Chouji : I can't. I just can't. I'm unable to knock down and hit Asuma. I can't do that.

Asuma : Chouji ! ( Asuma roundhouse kick and blow off chouji )

Asuma : DODGE ! Fuuton : Fuujin no Jutsu ( Wind Style : Dust Blast Technique )

-----------------

Over !

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 02:17 PM
The Konan vs Madara fight was lame, clearly he would power rape her. Though that fight gave us good info. The Foo and Torune fight was cool, but not epic. Pain only look orders from Madara was because of Nagato (well only like 30%), but that was cool. The Minato fight was EPIC!.

He needs to bring it.


Mifune Vs Hanzou, Final Round.

Mifune : You don't remember me, all right. But it seems you don't even remember our past fight.

Past

Mifune's sword is destroyed.
Hanzou slash him and Mifune bleed from his head.

Hanzou : This is the poison of the Salamander. Of course, my weapon is poisoned too.
Mifune : Ugh
Hanzou : I'll tell you why people call me "Hanzou of the Salamander". As a souvenir you will take with you to hell.
In my village there is a black salamander that can create mortal toxical poison.

Mifune : !?

Hanzou : I was a child When it died. I embedded his poison bag. It's right here. ( Left side of his stomach ) so I can be immune to his poison.
And I can poison my surrounding just by breathing.

As I child I was scared so I stopped breathing with my mouth to prevent poisoning my surrounding.

Mifune : So why didn't you remove your mask ?

Hanzou : Because there is a risk. My mask as another purpose. To prevent me from breathing my own poison.
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : Think about it, if someone slash my inner poison bag, the poison would exit my body and there is a possibility that I would breath it.
If I breath all the poison, it would override my poison resistance and I would be render unable to move, creathig an opening.
And I can't allow this to happen. So I can fight people like you.

Mifune : People and swords are alike. But now it's ... over for me. Profound Sadness !

Hanzou : Let me tell you something. Do you know when people die ?
Mifune : ?

Hanzou : When they lose their beliefs.

That's why you were a pain. People judge from outward apparence. You may be defeated but
that's not because you were too soft.

That's because you were afraid of my name. Because you swore to prtect your friends. Thoses friends you used as shields.

Mifune : *panting*

Hanzou : Now, hero, I will name you. Tell me when you die, Tell me your NAME !

Mifune : *breathing heavily*

Hanzou : Let me hear it !

Mifune : Don't ever lay a hand on my samurai comrades.

Hanzou : Here's a counter poison medecine.

Mifune : ?

Hanzou : They say you can't judge one's belief by looking at people. I realized during battle.
It's been a long time I saw someone like you. Today, I let you live. It's not like you were going to die immediatly after, though.

Hanzou uses counter poison medecine on Mifune.

Hanzou : From on now, will you die with your beliefs ? Or will you throw them and live ?

Back to present.
Mifune : I wanted to make sure but ... did you really threw you beliefs ?
Hanzou : You can't judge that by looking at me.
Mifune : !

Hanzou : I'm immortal all right, but there is a way to stop me. I already explained it to you Mifune.
Use the opening to seal me. If you don't do it, you will ...

Samurai : Master Mifune ! The poison is ...

Mifune : I'm ok. I have resistance against this poison. But from on now it will be different.
Everyone back off, with me. Prepare the seal.

Hanzou prepare to use his blade.

Mifune : Look around you.

Hanzou : Mifune, I entrust my beliefs to you. ( Hanzou stabs himself with his blade ).

Samurai : Seppuku ?

Hanzou : This poison is the real deal.
You can't breath this even if your have resistance against it, be careful.

Kabuto : My order fuuda tag is faiding. Suicide ? Then I just have to control all their moves myself one by one.

Hanzou shivers and crumbles.


Mifune : So you didn't threw you beliefs after all.


Multiple ninjas performs a seal on Hanzou.

Kabuto : What the ? The tag stopped working.

Mifune : "Hero" was the name you gave me. I was able to see your beliefs with my own eyes. Well done, Hanzou-dono.

-------------------------

Shikamaru : Stop being a slowpoke, Chouji. Pull yourself together.
Ino : He's coming !
Asuma : Shikamaru ! Use Shadow Mimic on Chouji to capture me !
Shikamaru : That's what I'm planning. ( Kage Mane no Jutsu ! )

Shikamaru manage to capture Asuma by using Chouji's shadow.

Shikamaru : Now, Chouji !

Asuma : (Perfect !)

Chouji uses Partial Multi-Expansion Jutsu on his hand and goes for Asuma's head but stops his gigantic
fist just before hitting Asuma's face.

Asuma : What the HELL are you doing Chouji ?

Shikamaru : Chouji ! Come on !

Ino : Chouji ...

Chouji : I can't. I just can't. I'm unable to knock down and hit Asuma. I can't do that.

Asuma : Chouji ! ( Asuma roundhouse kick and blow off chouji )

Asuma : DODGE ! Fuuton : Fuujin no Jutsu ( Wind Style : Dust Blast Technique )

-----------------

Over !


Sure Konan vs Madara was rape but it was to be expected and it was done in a flashy manner. Konan literally went out with a bang even if it wasn't
the bang that didn't kill her.

zerosameri
03-16-2011, 02:24 PM
Sure Konan vs Madara was rape but it was to be expected and it was done in a flashy manner. Konan literally went out with a bang even if it wasn't
the bang that didn't kill her.But she was sabbed with a sharpen Bamboo stick to the hart. :lol:

EvL j3st3r
03-16-2011, 03:54 PM
I think even if Jirayia knew Pain's secret he still would have lost.
Despite looking like he's handicapped, Nagato has all the powers
of the 7 paths including his own power of the yin/yang.
Jirayia would have to escape the six paths and fight Nagato and win.

Pain flat out beat Jirayia. Jirayia took out one path.

Naruto on the other hand took out six and it's debatable if he could take out the 7th.

On another note, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Nagato/Pain took orders from Madara. Madara manipulated him into thinking their goals met the same principles. So whatever Nagato done he done for his overall purpose not Madara's. Madara was just good at making him believe the things he wanted him to do were good for his (Nagato's) own purposes. Madara even mentions that Nagato had a tendency to be defiant of him.


Madara had the fight against Konan and against Foo and Torune which
already makes him cooler than Hanzo. Plus the fact that Pain takes
orders from him. Also there's the fight against Minato which although
he had to escape from at least it showed him extract the nine tails
like it was a piece of cake.

But yeah, Madara better bring it.
Jiraiya killed four pathes of Pain and then lost is arm. If he knew that there were six paths that would not have happened. Anywho, Pain was supposedly much stronger than Hanzo who was much stronger than the newly minted sanin. Whatever the case, he ain't that stronger. Especailly considering Naruto beat Pain and now has a heck of a lot more control over his nine tail and sage powers.

Hanzo no doubt ruled by fear rather than actual power. All he essentially did was nearly beat three likely freshmen Jonin. Not that amazing.

also you can't really compare how naruto did vs. Pain to how Jaraiya did against that same opponent. Why? A big part of the reason Naruto faired so well is thanks to the information Jaraiya gathered in his battle. And then it took the brightest minds in the village to decipher that knowledge, and he had Pa toad on his back giving information (also from Jaraiya's battle). So really Naruto had a big leg up going into his fight. Jaraiya knew only that Pain had Rinnegan, other than that he was completely ignorant of his enemies power. He didn't have near the information resources that Naruto did and Naruto only had those info resources bc Jaraiya sacrificed himself by fighting Pain first with no knowledge of him. It's not a fair comparison.

Actually, if you want to be fair about it....no one person beat Pain. It was Jaraiya, Naruto, and the leaf village that defeated him. Nagato has no equal currently (except maybe Madara)

Plus the fact that Pain takes
orders from him.

I don't think saying "Pain/Nagato took orders from Madara" is a fair way to describe that situation. I think of it more along these lines...........Nagato didn't care about "being in control". All he cared about was his objective. In his mind, he and Madara were ultimately working toward the same goal. So, it didn't matter. Power wasn't Nagato's objective.

Anyway......when Madara was standing over Nagato's corpse he made it clear that Nagato didn't always listen.
So really......Nagato still probably didn't listen to Madara unless Madara could manipulate him into thinking that whatever he was wanting was best for their plans.
In other words, Nagato did only the things neccessary for his cause not Madara's. Madara was just good at manipulating him into thinking certain things WERE good for his (Nagato's) cause.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 05:51 PM
But she was sabbed with a sharpen Bamboo stick to the hart. :lol:

I said with a bang not by a bang.

also you can't really compare how naruto did vs. Pain to how Jaraiya did against that same opponent. Why? A big part of the reason Naruto faired so well is thanks to the information Jaraiya gathered in his battle. And then it took the brightest minds in the village to decipher that knowledge, and he had Pa toad on his back giving information (also from Jaraiya's battle). So really Naruto had a big leg up going into his fight. Jaraiya knew only that Pain had Rinnegan, other than that he was completely ignorant of his enemies power. He didn't have near the information resources that Naruto did and Naruto only had those info resources bc Jaraiya sacrificed himself by fighting Pain first with no knowledge of him. It's not a fair comparison.

Actually, if you want to be fair about it....no one person beat Pain. It was Jaraiya, Naruto, and the leaf village that defeated him. Nagato has no equal currently (except maybe Madara)



I don't think saying "Pain/Nagato took orders from Madara" is a fair way to describe that situation. I think of it more along these lines...........
In other words, Nagato did only the things neccessary for his cause not Madara's. Madara was just good at manipulating him into thinking certain things WERE good for his (Nagato's) cause.

Actually yes I can.

First on the whole "He had intelligence advantage". Sorta but not really.
First Jirayia sent him a coded message which Naruto himself was the key
into figuring out. Later even though Inochi figured out the meaning
behind the uncoded message he didn't relay the meaning to Naruto.
Naruto figured out the meaning of the message on his own and found
Nagato using Sage Mode tracking. Sure Naruto did have somewhat
of an intelligence advantage but it evens out when considering that
Jirayia has more battle experience and could actually merge with
Fugasaku which would have made gathering nature energy easier.

And really it's Jirayia's own fault he didn't have enough intelligence.
He was in over his head and got beat. Naruto however was attacked
by Pain and prevailed. But yes Jirayia's sacrifice did somewhat help
Naruto. But nearly as much as people make it to be. Naruto still
had to defeat Five Pains before figuring out about Nagato. Had
Jirayia made the uncoded message clearer Naruto and Konoha
would have figured it out sooner and taken out Nagato from the start.

Naruto defeated the Six paths of Pain. Jirayia was only really helpful
(somewhat) in finding Nagato which wasn't going to help Naruto beat
Nagato. Naruto used talk no jutsu to make Nagato have a change of heart.

Madara is not Pain's equal. Madara is better than Pain and that's why
Pain bothered to do his dirty work. Pain is just Sasuke Beta Version.

Wooster
03-16-2011, 06:42 PM
also you can't really compare how naruto did vs. Pain to how Jaraiya did against that same opponent. Why? A big part of the reason Naruto faired so well is thanks to the information Jaraiya gathered in his battle. And then it took the brightest minds in the village to decipher that knowledge, and he had Pa toad on his back giving information (also from Jaraiya's battle). So really Naruto had a big leg up going into his fight. Jaraiya knew only that Pain had Rinnegan, other than that he was completely ignorant of his enemies power. He didn't have near the information resources that Naruto did and Naruto only had those info resources bc Jaraiya sacrificed himself by fighting Pain first with no knowledge of him. It's not a fair comparison.

Actually, if you want to be fair about it....no one person beat Pain. It was Jaraiya, Naruto, and the leaf village that defeated him. Nagato has no equal currently (except maybe Madara)



I don't think saying "Pain/Nagato took orders from Madara" is a fair way to describe that situation. I think of it more along these lines...........
In other words, Nagato did only the things neccessary for his cause not Madara's. Madara was just good at manipulating him into thinking certain things WERE good for his (Nagato's) cause.That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.

mrsticky005
03-16-2011, 06:49 PM
That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.

I think that's debatable considering that Nagato has all the powers
of the six paths. Also given that Nagato revived the entire village
he had chakra left over to fight Naruto if he wanted.

Still I think Naruto would win anyways.

EvL j3st3r
03-18-2011, 03:24 PM
That's like saying really Asuma defeated Hidan and Kakuzu. I completely disagree. Naruto kicked Pain's' can and Nagato final trump card was easily bested by the Sage nine tail combo. If Naruto wanted to destroy the wheel chair guy, he could.
I think you're missing the main point of my post. If Naruto had fought the first battle with Pain instead of Jaraiya and lacked all the same information that Jaraiya lacked......I don't think that Naruto (at that time) could have fared any better against Pain than Jaraiya did. Likewise, if Jaraiya had that info he probably could have done just as well against Pain as Naruto did (if not better). So I'm saying you can't compare the two fights and say that Naruto > Jaraiya at that time (which is what was insinuated to me) because there's a huge variable there. It's an unfair comparison.

And as far as the whole Asuma thing goes....he did have a part in Hidan's defeat but no I don't credit him for the win. He just fell in the line of duty and Shikamaru learned by observation. So that secret being exposed was kind of a fluke. It's different. Jaraiya knew he would die when he met Pain. His intention was to sacrifice his life to gain information on Pain that the leaf could use to bring him down. It was a planned step in the process of Pain's defeat. If he hadn't done that. There would have been no victory. In my opinion, that's part of the battle against Pain.

kalmeast
03-18-2011, 03:56 PM
And really it's Jirayia's own fault he didn't have enough intelligence.
He was in over his head and got beat. .

wow...first time i heard someone say something like that. lol, do u have anything against jiraiya?

zerosameri
03-18-2011, 04:46 PM
I said with a bang not by a bang.
I know what you meant, and her 'bang' sucked. :lol: