Tobi is Madara and here's why (5 reasons)

[zerosameri]

Being Obito, is just stupid. Kishi is not THAT bad of a writer. So suck it Obito believers.
We hardly know anything about Kagami. Not enough info so speculate anything... And yes I know. ViVi is the only one on here that can write a tex wall about him with only a few lines of info.
He is not Izuna. Unless his grave is fake, and he did not die. Then I have no clue
Shisui was killed by Itachi and Itachi got his MS by killing him. So unless Itachi lied and magically got his MS. He's not Shisui.
Madara-Kagam. Number 2. I really don't know what to say. But even so.


`:P

Just for Pool:
Obito is Tobi AND MAdara :lol:

[xxPainxx]

-.-..... he admitted it to sasuke.

[zerosameri]

-.-..... he admitted it to sasuke.
He could of had lied.

[Uchiha_Itachi93]

That and the fact that Madara has all the info on the Sage of Six Paths. Not many ninja know that much.

[zerosameri]

That and the fact that Madara has all the info on the Sage of Six Paths. Not many ninja know that much.
It could be all lies.

[Gouldy17]

tobi could be the RS LOL and the person in the coffin was the real madara hahahahahahaha

[deidara330]

Tobi must be Madara, but the person in Kabuto's coffin must be as well.

[Yori]

Its been proven to gain MS you do not need to kill someone. So Itachi may not of killed Shisui but was present at the time

[Guy Sensei]

It could be all lies.

I don't see no reason that Tobi will lie to Sasuke. It's obvious he has to be Madara.

[zerosameri]

I don't see no reason that Tobi will lie to Sasuke. It's obvious he has to be Madara.
He lived to Sasuke before.
Its been proven to gain MS you do not need to kill someone. So Itachi may not of killed Shisui but was present at the time Then how did Itachi gain is MS?

Tobi must be Madara, but the person in Kabuto's coffin must be as well.
sarcasm is the darndest things. :|

[deidara330]

sarcasm is the darndest things. :|I wasn't sarcastic. Tobi has to be Madara, but there's no other person that the person in the coffin can be.

[Yori]

He lived to Sasuke before.
Then how did Itachi gain is MS?


sarcasm is the darndest things. :|

Itachi gaining the MS by killing Shisui could be a lie. Between Itachi, Madara, & Danzo a lot of lies have been told about the events leading up to the massacre. Itachi could have been present when Shisui had died and his MS was awaken through the pain from the loss of his best friend. Also there is Kishi who is keeping a lot hush about Shisui background.

[zerosameri]

I wasn't sarcastic. Tobi has to be Madara, but there's no other person that the person in the coffin can be.
Oh... Well I know you think Madara is him and him and him, and all of that. So I thought you were joking
Itachi gaining the MS by killing Shisui could be a lie. Between Itachi, Madara, & Danzo a lot of lies have been told about the events leading up to the massacre. Itachi could have been present when Shisui had died and his MS was awaken through the pain from the loss of his best friend. Also there is Kishi who is keeping a lot hush about Shisui background.Either way Shisui is dead. But so fair Itchi havn't lied, beside the Massacre thing. That's also true. But what about Kagami? Only so little is known about him

He was part of a team consisting of the 2nd hokage, 3rd Hokage, Koharu, Homaru, Danzou, and Torifu. He is assumed to have died at some later point, either before or during the Uchiha Massacre. And yes I know. The word assume is huge, so he could possibly be ablive :|

[Pool]

Dude Obito is Tobi

[deidara330]

Oh... Well I know you think Madara is him and him and him, and all of that. So I thought you were jokingThat was just a theory. The one thing I'm really certain of regarding that is that the person in the coffin was Madara, because if it wasn't then what Kabuto said doesn't make sense.

[zerosameri]

That was just a theory. The one thing I'm really certain of regarding that is that the person in the coffin was Madara, because if it wasn't then what Kabuto said doesn't make sense.
Kabuto is a screwed up guy. He clearly liked to pick are Madara's soft spots. He clearly knows more that what Madara thinks he knows. I mean Kabuto could of got someone that is WAY stronger than Madara, for all we know.

But sense Madara is only half of him old self. Lets say Madara is in his original body, then Kabuto summoned him. What could he of has summoned from Madara? His soul?

[deidara330]

Kabuto is a screwed up guy. He clearly liked to pick are Madara's soft spots. He clearly knows more that what Madara thinks he knows. I mean Kabuto could of got someone that is WAY stronger than Madara, for all we know.

But sense Madara is only half of him old self. Lets say Madara is in his original body, then Kabuto summoned him. What could he of has summoned from Madara? His soul?I'm not sure what you mean in your second paragraph, can you elaborate? Use Tobi to refer to the current Madaral.

[zerosameri]

I'm not sure what you mean in your second paragraph, can you elaborate? Use Tobi to refer to the current Madara.Ok.

I was basically saying what could Kabuto summon of Madara. If he did in fact summon Madara what could it be of him. Tobi looks like his old self, minus what he can not see of his face. Because I don't see what Kabuto could possibly summon of Madara. Unless Tobi alter some body and to make it look like Madara.

[Jinchiruuki]

You're still making these threads? I commend your resilience but holy crap enough is enough.

[zerosameri]

You're still making these threads? I commend your resilience but holy crap enough is enough.I don't see why you couldn't use your main account to tell me this Mr.Alt :lol:

[Poodle]

That was just a theory. The one thing I'm really certain of regarding that is that the person in the coffin was Madara, because if it wasn't then what Kabuto said doesn't make sense.


Are you speaking about when Kabuto was at Madara's HQ's and didn't use the card he has on Madara? I don't really remember him referencing a coffin though if you are...

[EvL j3st3r]

this must be like the 999999999999999th mention I've seen of this matter. I grow tired of this topic. I shall not return!

[deidara330]

Ok.

I was basically saying what could Kabuto summon of Madara. If he did in fact summon Madara what could it be of him. Tobi looks like his old self, minus what he can not see of his face. Because I don't see what Kabuto could possibly summon of Madara. Unless Tobi alter some body and to make it look like Madara.The only major requirement is that the soul exists in the Pure World. As long as part or all of Madara's soul exists there, Kabuto can summon it. For Tobi to be Madara, Tobi would have to have part of his original soul but only part, or would have to somehow retain the conciousness of Madara without a soul.Are you speaking about when Kabuto was at Madara's HQ's and didn't use the card he has on Madara? I don't really remember him referencing a coffin though if you are...Neither of them spoke of a coffin. However, Kabuto summoned someone who was in a coffin, and Madara was shocked to see that person. From the way they both spoke, I believe greatly that the person Kabuto summoned was Madara.

[zerosameri]

The only major requirement is that the soul exists in the Pure World. As long as part or all of Madara's soul exists there, Kabuto can summon it. For Tobi to be Madara, Tobi would have to have part of his original soul but only part, or would have to somehow retain the conciousness of Madara without a soul.But for the fact that Madara didn't die (anything after the uchiha clan massacre I don't know), I don't see how he can summon his soul. And 2-1 it's not in the pure world. I would think anyways.

[Pool]

Madara would have to have died. Or... Summoning Jutsu?

[zerosameri]

Madara would have to have died. Or... Summoning Jutsu?
Madara never died when he said he had died.

[deidara330]

But for the fact that Madara didn't die (anything after the uchiha clan massacre I don't know), I don't see how he can summon his soul. And 2-1 it's not in the pure world. I would think anyways.Death isn't the only way for a soul to be removed. There'd simply have to be a jutsu or force powerful enough to rip apart a soul and then part of that soul would have to be sent to the Pure World.

[Kunoichi]

Zero can I ask you an academic question? How many threads would you estimate you've made with the words "tobi" and "madara" somewhere in the title?


When is the world just going to cave and listen to your wisdom?

[zerosameri]

Zero can I ask you an academic question? How many threads would you estimate you've made with the words "tobi" and "madara" somewhere in the title?


When is the world just going to cave and listen to your wisdom?
About 2 pages worth :lol:
Death isn't the only way for a soul to be removed. There'd simply have to be a jutsu or force powerful enough to rip apart a soul and then part of that soul would have to be sent to the Pure World.True, but so fare. There is no way to get a soul back once it has been sealed. Unless I missed something.

[RiZuAkatsuki]

Itachi gaining the MS by killing Shisui could be a lie. Between Itachi, Madara, & Danzo a lot of lies have been told about the events leading up to the massacre. Itachi could have been present when Shisui had died and his MS was awaken through the pain from the loss of his best friend. Also there is Kishi who is keeping a lot hush about Shisui background.

Thats true.....and it would make sense.....but yet i think if you dig around long enough in the naruto character books that have been published, read the manga, and dug a whole super bunch you'd find the same thing that tobi is madara, no 2 ways aboutit.

hhahahaha now here would be a plausable plot twist, Tobi is the edo reanimation body of madara, like with the same jutsu kabuto is using in the war now, orochimaru was an akatsuki member and its sorta funny how just alittle after he was kicked out of the akatsuki and the sasuke thing settled that "Tobi" appeared....`:P

[Kiseki]

Tobi is Cactus. Period.

Nah I'm just kidding.
I agree with Jin however, too many threads about this.
It's not even funny anymore.

[Wooster]

What did I say about these threads zero? Tsk tsk.
I am tempted to merge this one with the one in the Archives.

[Rasen_Chidori]

Again with this?

Really, I don't care, Tobi could be Barny the Dinosaur and I wouldn't care.

Seeing all the Tobi is (Insert Random Name) and here is why (Insert Random Blathering Here) is getting really annoying.

[Yori]

Whoever Tobi is, the guy is bad ass. Does it matter?

[deidara330]

It's not even funny anymore.But that suggests that it actually used to be funny.

[-N-]

Being Obito, is just stupid. Kishi is not THAT bad of a writer. So suck it Obito believers.
We hardly know anything about Kagami. Not enough info so speculate anything... And yes I know. ViVi is the only one on here that can write a tex wall about him with only a few lines of info.
He is not Izuna. Unless his grave is fake, and he did not die. Then I have no clue
Shisui was killed by Itachi and Itachi got his MS by killing him. So unless Itachi lied and magically got his MS. He's not Shisui.
Madara-Kagam. Number 2. I really don't know what to say. But even so.


`:P

Just for Pool:
Obito is Tobi AND MAdara :lol:

1:
There have been Indicatications Tobi is somehow related to Obito.(Not family wise but you know what I mean).
In this Manga foreshadowing and hints happen alot.
Kakashi and Tobi are 2 Coins of the Same Medal.

Kakashi's Kamui warps away on sight.
Tobi warps himself away with his Kamui and others only ber touch.
Kakashi has the left side Sharingan.
Tobi hides his left side and has the Sharingan on right.
Tobi automatically knowing Kamui won't affect him.

In other words:
Kamui Case:
Both Kamui seem to match each other as if they are one and the same just incomplete.

Sharingan Position:
Well self explainantory I suppose.
Obviously Tobi is hiding something on his left face Side.All this secret just to hide another normal Sharingan?
Something happened to his Face that much is clear.

Kamui knowledge:
Has Tobi ever seen that Kakashi can warp People or to say has Kamui in his Arsenal?
Especially I'm questioning how he knew it has no effect on him.

Well while I do not believe Tobi is Obito it is quite an oddity so many things point towards it.
Coincidence would be the last thing I refer to that.
If one similarity would occur then yeah.
But not that much.
It's obviously done on purpose.
Question is why though?
Either Kishimoto purposely planted those Red Herring to put us on a wrong Route to finding out what the deal is with Tobi.
Or as low as the chance may be Tobi truly is Obito.

Oh and Bad Writing = Opinion.

2:
Uhm...Kagami?
Might I ask what is it with him/her?
Only know Kagami was with Tobirama's Team.

3:
Where did you see Izuna's Grave?
I wouldn't write him off as a Suspect though.
By Hype he should have been about the same Level as Madara.
I truly wouldn't be surprised if he managed to fake his Death.

4:
Shisui is one of the most mysterious Characters in the manga.
It basically got to the Point where one can tell something is up.
Don't call him off.
His Body wasn't found though his Arm and Eye are gone.
Anybody remember Suigetsu hitting Madara's arm?
Chapter 404.
Unless Madara's arm is made of Steel then there is something up with that for stopping the Sword like a Brick Wall.

5:
Can't say much about that.
First time I hear that one.

[zerosameri]

Tobi is Cactus. Period.

Nah I'm just kidding.
I agree with Jin however, too many threads about this.
It's not even funny anymore.
It was never funny...
What did I say about these threads zero? Tsk tsk.
I am tempted to merge this one with the one in the Archives.
:lol: Why not merge my all most 2 pages worth of Tobi is Madara, then? But if you do that... Tell me before you do.
Again with this?

Really, I don't care, Tobi could be Barny the Dinosaur and I wouldn't care.

Seeing all the Tobi is (Insert Random Name) and here is why (Insert Random Blathering Here) is getting really annoying.
Yes, again.

lolol

eh
Whoever Tobi is, the guy is bad ass. Does it matter?Kinda `:P

1:
There have been Indicatications Tobi is somehow related to Obito.(Not family wise but you know what I mean).
In this Manga foreshadowing and hints happen alot.
Kakashi and Tobi are 2 Coins of the Same Medal.


Kakashi's Kamui warps away on sight.
Tobi warps himself away with his Kamui and others only ber touch.
Kakashi has the left side Sharingan.
Tobi hides his left side and has the Sharingan on right.
Tobi automatically knowing Kamui won't affect him.

In other words:
Kamui Case:
Both Kamui seem to match each other as if they are one and the same just incomplete.

Sharingan Position:
Well self explainantory I suppose.
Obviously Tobi is hiding something on his left face Side.All this secret just to hide another normal Sharingan?
Something happened to his Face that much is clear.

Kamui knowledge:
Has Tobi ever seen that Kakashi can warp People or to say has Kamui in his Arsenal?
Especially I'm questioning how he knew it has no effect on him.

Well while I do not believe Tobi is Obito it is quite an oddity so many things point towards it.
Coincidence would be the last thing I refer to that.
If one similarity would occur then yeah.
But not that much.
It's obviously done on purpose.
Question is why though?
Either Kishimoto purposely planted those Red Herring to put us on a wrong Route to finding out what the deal is with Tobi.
Or as low as the chance may be Tobi truly is Obito.

Oh and Bad Writing = Opinion.
I didn't even read this. I'm not going to lie. I don't care what you say, I really don't. There is a .0000000000000000000000000000001% chance of being Obito, only because ViVi brought to my attention and said "It's fiction. Still has a chance" and it's true... sadly. But he is not Obito.

2:
Uhm...Kagami?
Might I ask what is it with him/her?
Only know Kagami was with Tobirama's Team.
Your new, so... Yea. A member we used to have (ViVi) made a thread about him being Kagami. On top of that it was a tex wall, and all most perfect.

3:
Where did you see Izuna's Grave?
I wouldn't write him off as a Suspect though.
By Hype he should have been about the same Level as Madara.
I truly wouldn't be surprised if he managed to fake his Death.
When it was shown....

4:
Shisui is one of the most mysterious Characters in the manga.
I beg to differ..
It basically got to the Point where one can tell something is up.
Don't call him off.
His Body wasn't found though his Arm and Eye are gone.
Anybody remember Suigetsu hitting Madara's arm?
Chapter 404.
Unless Madara's arm is made of Steel then there is something up with that for stopping the Sword like a Brick Wall.I don't see why not. I mean if they can FLY someone can have a hard ass arm, or what ever. I see no reason why not.

5:
Can't say much about that.
First time I hear that one.
Deiadara330 made a thread saying he was.. Or ViVi. One of them did.