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Vivi
02-06-2011, 10:02 AM
I just came up with a possibility of what Kabuto might be up.
Chapter 521 Page 4:
Kabuto states he will learn the Secret of Rikodou.

Nothing impressive here I know BUT:
Chapter 467:
The Stone Tablet of the Uchiha holding the Secrets left behind from Rikodou.
Even more:
Madara: Without our Eyes, it is impossible to read.

As we know Kabuto is after Sasuke for a yet unknown reason.
But now it makes sense why.
He wants the Sharingan to read the contents of the Tablet to learn those secrets.

But what would he gain from that?
I was thinking and came up with this:
Rikodou divided his Power to create the Bijuu.

Any clicks yet?
What if that way Kabuto would be able to bring back Orochimaru?
Not only that but due to having the Sharingan himself there is a high chance Oro will have as well.
We know he is obsessed with the Uchiha and the Sharingan.

deidara330
02-06-2011, 10:06 AM
Kabuto cares not for Orochimaru. His entire change was brought on by a desire to overcome his dependance on Orochimaru's power. He's surpassed Orochimaru in so many ways that at this point Orochimaru is dead weight. Kabuto also says he wishes to learn the secret behind all jutsu, and The Sage was said to have created all known jutsu. Furthermore, what I find even more interesting than his desire to have Sasuke was his wish to have part of Zetsu. How could Zetsu help him reach his goal to learning The Sage's secrets?

EvL j3st3r
02-06-2011, 10:10 AM
I don't think Kabuto wants to bring back Oro. But I can buy that he wants Sasuke's eyes to read the tablet (along with simply having the power of Sharingan)

Vivi
02-06-2011, 10:14 AM
Kabuto cares not for Orochimaru.

His entire change was brought on by a desire to overcome his dependance on Orochimaru's power.

He's surpassed Orochimaru in so many ways that at this point Orochimaru is dead weight.

Kabuto also says he wishes to learn the secret behind all jutsu,

and The Sage was said to have created all known jutsu.

Furthermore, what I find even more interesting than his desire to have Sasuke was his wish to have part of Zetsu. How could Zetsu help him reach his goal to learning The Sage's secrets?

Arguable really as he is the most unpredictable Character in the Manga.

Which he achieved.

Lol no.Kabuto hasn't even shown anything impressive apart from Multi Edo Tensei.For all we know Oro could have been able to pull that off as well.

Where did he say that?

What?
The Sage only was the first one to use Ninjutsu.
The Sage created Raikiri?The Sage created FTG?

Zetsu is the most mysterious Character.
Nothing is known about his Past.Which has to be for a reason as nothing is revealed though being so far into the Manga.

EvL j3st3r
02-06-2011, 10:17 AM
^right. For instance, Kakashi invented Chidori. Many many many years after RS died.

deidara330
02-06-2011, 10:33 AM
Arguable really as he is the most unpredictable Character in the Manga.

Which he achieved.

Lol no.Kabuto hasn't even shown anything impressive apart from Multi Edo Tensei.For all we know Oro could have been able to pull that off as well.

Where did he say that?

What?
The Sage only was the first one to use Ninjutsu.
The Sage created Raikiri?The Sage created FTG?

Zetsu is the most mysterious Character.
Nothing is known about his Past.Which has to be for a reason as nothing is revealed though being so far into the Manga.True. I still doubt his purpose as an antagonist is to bring back a used-up villain who's underpowered compared to today's villains.

True.

Lolwutnohahaha. Show me where Orochimaru could summon thirty people and maintain all of them and I just might agree with you. Not to mention Kabuto created his own version of Manda which was stronger than the original and is, has always been, and will forever be a better spy than Orochimaru ever was. Not to mention his Striking Shadow Snake technique matched Anko's and he was able to defeat Anko without killing her, so it's altogether quite likely Kabuto has no need of Orochimaru.

Chapter 490, Page 2. "I am simply interested in discovering the truth behind Ninjutsu." Practically the exact same chapter where he first expressed his desire to have Sasuke.

Chapter 373, Page 3. "It is touted that the Rinnegan Eye-possessing Sage developed all the jutsu known to us today." Besides, I only stated it was said that the Sage knew all jutsu. The only things we even know about him are through living character statements.

Third Akatsuki to be introduced and has made an appearance in almost every story arc since with the lone exception of the Sasuke and Sai Arc.

Lord Jiraiya
02-06-2011, 11:32 AM
True. I still doubt his purpose as an antagonist is to bring back a used-up villain who's underpowered compared to today's villains.

True.

Lolwutnohahaha. Show me where Orochimaru could summon thirty people and maintain all of them and I just might agree with you. Not to mention Kabuto created his own version of Manda which was stronger than the original and is, has always been, and will forever be a better spy than Orochimaru ever was. Not to mention his Striking Shadow Snake technique matched Anko's and he was able to defeat Anko without killing her, so it's altogether quite likely Kabuto has no need of Orochimaru.

Chapter 490, Page 2. "I am simply interested in discovering the truth behind Ninjutsu." Practically the exact same chapter where he first expressed his desire to have Sasuke.

Chapter 373, Page 3. "It is touted that the Rinnegan Eye-possessing Sage developed all the jutsu known to us today." Besides, I only stated it was said that the Sage knew all jutsu. The only things we even know about him are through living character statements.

Third Akatsuki to be introduced and has made an appearance in almost every story arc since with the lone exception of the Sasuke and Sai Arc.

Who's Power is he using to become this strong?
Thats right Orchimaru. Without Him Kabuto would be nothing.

deidara330
02-06-2011, 11:38 AM
Who's Power is he using to become this strong?
Thats right Orchimaru. Without Him Kabuto would be nothing.Right, because without that power Kabuto never would've been smart enough to collect all that DNA from those shinobi or create his own Manda from drugs and Manda's cells.

Not at all. Orochimaru's DNA may have increased his power, but his intelligence and his capacity to learn jutsu were never augmented by it. Kabuto performed many of Orochimaru's experiments himself, you know. And, we know Orochimaru never taught Kabuto Edo Tensei. He learned it himself.

Parak111
02-06-2011, 11:41 AM
I just came up with a possibility of what Kabuto might be up.
Chapter 521 Page 4:
Kabuto states he will learn the Secret of Rikodou.

Nothing impressive here I know BUT:
Chapter 467:
The Stone Tablet of the Uchiha holding the Secrets left behind from Rikodou.
Even more:
Madara: Without our Eyes, it is impossible to read.

As we know Kabuto is after Sasuke for a yet unknown reason.
But now it makes sense why.
He wants the Sharingan to read the contents of the Tablet to learn those secrets.

But what would he gain from that?
I was thinking and came up with this:
Rikodou divided his Power to create the Bijuu.

Any clicks yet?
What if that way Kabuto would be able to bring back Orochimaru?
Not only that but due to having the Sharingan himself there is a high chance Oro will have as well.
We know he is obsessed with the Uchiha and the Sharingan.

Kabuto wants Sasuke for many purposes. Kabuto is technically Orochimaru, and he has inherited Orochimaru's wishes. Kabuto probably wants Sasuke's body.

He would gain the Sharingan that way, and read the tablet in question himself. By reading that tablet, he could revive Orochimaru somehow, but we all know that Sasuke won't die until his battle with his lover, so he's PnJ protected until then.

That said, Kabuto may revive Orochimaru in a different way. A way, in which Sasuke won't perish. Whether that'll happen at all though, no one knows.

Lord Jiraiya
02-06-2011, 11:50 AM
Right, because without that power Kabuto never would've been smart enough to collect all that DNA from those shinobi or create his own Manda from drugs and Manda's cells.

Not at all. Orochimaru's DNA may have increased his power, but his intelligence and his capacity to learn jutsu were never augmented by it. Kabuto performed many of Orochimaru's experiments himself, you know. And, we know Orochimaru never taught Kabuto Edo Tensei. He learned it himself.

How do you know Orchimaru didnt teach it to him?
Anyway in order for Orchimaru to have learned it he most have got his hands on the 2sn hokages scroll and Kabuto could have read the scroll after Orchimaru was beaten by Sasuke. I never said Kabuto got his smarts from Orchimaru. Yes Orchimaru was a smart ninja, but Kabuto is also smart. But, Kabuto increase is power by using Orchimaru's power and is that is the reason Kabuto keep the woman around to increase his power even more.

Without Orchimaru's power Kabuto would be nothing to beat and that's why he wish to gain more of his power.

EvL j3st3r
02-06-2011, 04:04 PM
Even if Oro did teach him Edo Tensei (which I don't think he did), Kabuto has far surpassed Oro in that jutsu. In what way can one credit that to Orochimaru?

Lord Jiraiya
02-06-2011, 05:26 PM
Even if Oro did teach him Edo Tensei (which I don't think he did), Kabuto has far surpassed Oro in that jutsu. In what way can one credit that to Orochimaru?


You Credit him, because it's Orchimaru's power giving him the power to perform it with so many ninja. He hasn't done anything different besides summoning a number of more ninja. Kabuto wouldn't be able to summon that many without Orchimaru's power.

EvL j3st3r
02-06-2011, 05:47 PM
But Oro himself couldn't summon that many. I admit that he wouldn't be able to do so many without Oro's power...but still, his power is greater than that of Oro alone. Also, it's improved in another way. He developed a seal that allows them to retain their individuality while still having to obey Kabuto. This helps in two ways. One is that it allows Kabuto to have so many summons bc he doesn't have to put so much focus on each individual one. It also helps bc it makes the summons more powerful to have a mind of their own bc noone could understand their techniques and style better than themselves. This ingenious new seal is the biggest part of what enables Kabuto to say he's surpassed Oro and Tobirama in Edo Tensei. The development of that seal can be credited to noone but Kabuto himself. And I remind you that Kabuto has been said more than once to be on Kakashi's level prior to gaining Oro's power, he's one of the most intelligent characters in the story (which is a battle qaulity), and he has shown medical technique skills that baffled even Tsunade.


Also, we still haven't seen Kabuto's mystery jutsu.

Lord Jiraiya
02-06-2011, 06:08 PM
But Oro himself couldn't summon that many. I admit that he wouldn't be able to do so many without Oro's power...but still, his power is greater than that of Oro alone. Also, it's improved in another way. He developed a seal that allows them to retain their individuality while still having to obey Kabuto. This helps in two ways. One is that it allows Kabuto to have so many summons bc he doesn't have to put so much focus on each individual one. It also helps bc it makes the summons more powerful to have a mind of their own bc noone could understand their techniques and style better than themselves. This ingenious new seal is the biggest part of what enables Kabuto to say he's surpassed Oro and Tobirama in Edo Tensei. The development of that seal can be credited to noone but Kabuto himself. And I remind you that Kabuto has been said more than once to be on Kakashi's level prior to gaining Oro's power, he's one of the most intelligent characters in the story (which is a battle qaulity), and he has shown medical technique skills that baffled even Tsunade.


Also, we still haven't seen Kabuto's mystery jutsu.

You cant confirm if Orchimaru couldn't perform it of that level. Yes the new seal maybe why Kabuto summoned so many, because Orchimaru knew it would be harder to control so many at once and thats why he only tried summoning 3 ninja's back.

Yes Kabuto was stated to be on kakashi's level, but even Kakashi shatter in fear when face to face with Orchimaru.

No one knows what Orchimaru is able to do, because he always plays around with his opponents and never goes all out against them.

You have to agree without the power of Orchimaru Kabuto would be nothing.

I love Kabuto he is an awesome character!!

EvL j3st3r
02-06-2011, 07:11 PM
You cant confirm if Orchimaru couldn't perform it of that level. Yes the new seal maybe why Kabuto summoned so many, because Orchimaru knew it would be harder to control so many at once and thats why he only tried summoning 3 ninja's back.

Kabuto said he surpassed Oro and Tobirama in Edo Tensei. If we are to believe him then yes...that confirms that neither of them could do the jutsu on his level.

Yes Kabuto was stated to be on kakashi's level, but even Kakashi shatter in fear when face to face with Orchimaru.

And I don't argue with that. Oro was obviously superior to them back then. I'm just saying you can't say he's NOTHING without Oro's power when he was indeed quite formidable without it (being on the level of Kakashi).

No one knows what Orchimaru is able to do, because he always plays around with his opponents and never goes all out against them.

We may not know the fullness of his ability, but we can gauge where he's at in overall power. He said himself Itachi is stronger than him and it's been made clear that he's clearly stronger than Kakashi. So we know around the margin he falls in. Pretty far beyond Kakashi yet below Itachi and Jaraiya.

You have to agree without the power of Orchimaru Kabuto would be nothing.

Again...... weaker but far from being nothing.

I love Kabuto he is an awesome character!!

green. guess we just simply disagree. Anyway, I see no need to keep debating this. Good discussion

mrsticky005
02-06-2011, 09:48 PM
Arguable really as he is the most unpredictable Character in the Manga.

Which he achieved.

Lol no.Kabuto hasn't even shown anything impressive apart from Multi Edo Tensei.For all we know Oro could have been able to pull that off as well.

Where did he say that?

What?
The Sage only was the first one to use Ninjutsu.
The Sage created Raikiri?The Sage created FTG?

Zetsu is the most mysterious Character.
Nothing is known about his Past.Which has to be for a reason as nothing is revealed though being so far into the Manga.


Zetsu isn't the most mysterious character. That would be Manabu Akado
the 38 year old genin. Sure he may seem like he's just got no talent.
But then again, so did Kabuto. Who knows what tricks the great and
powerful Manabu Akado holds up his sleeve? Watch out for him!

Runner up would be Time Traveling Obito.

Wooster
02-07-2011, 06:09 AM
It doesn't matter how old Manabu is or that he looks like an accountant. What matters is that he is young at heart and an accountant.

Sosuke
02-07-2011, 06:10 AM
Yeps, Kabuto is just a freak lol.