Debate Contest Round 3 - The 1st Hokage and Windscar22 VS Phoenix Wright and Kisame

[Shikamaru Nara]

No pressure. xD

Kimimaro vs Deidara

Restrictions: C4, C0 restricted. Equal speed.

Rest is BG defaults.

[WindScar22]

How much Clay does Deidara have, and is this zombie Deidara or not?

Anyway, let's get to the battle. Somehow, if Kimimaro can use his bones as weapons to destroy the bombs in mid-air, then he might stand a chance. He'll have to be in Earth CM2 for this, though, so he can use the maximum amount of Chakra he needs. If the bones don't work, then he's screwed. I'd say Deidara wins with moderate difficulty, and MAYBE Kimimaro would win with extreme difficulty, so basically, Deidara wins.

[Shikamaru Nara]

No Zombie. As much as he needs.

[Frost ninja]

wooo gooo people... erm...

C'mon guys, by now I was disproving blitzes and ridding Sage Mode Naruto of all of his feats. Wheres the debate at?

[Shikamaru Nara]

If nobody posts, Windscar and 1st win. Tomorrow is their last day.

[Frost ninja]

hell, bump that. I'd debate them myself on behalf of kisame and PW if it were allowed

[Kunoichi]

Hell I'll debate against Frosty if no one takes that challenge xD

[Shikamaru Nara]

STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD BEFORE PW AND KISAME SEE IT CUZ IF THEY POST THEY WILL HAVE BEEN ONE SHOTTING THIS ENTIRE CONTEST!

Hush your face. :lol:

[Kunoichi]

You know you should lead by example, it's like telling everyone to be quiet, but the sound of your voice really only creates more noise. If you don't want it bumped then you should respond telling me not to bump it, because that's bumping it again, and then i'll have to get my last word in and post a post like this.


PS I'd back Kimimaro

[Phoenix Wright]

Sorry I haven't been to Viz lately because it sucks so much ass. And I was gonna refuse to debate because BG Default and BG Logic also suck ass, but whatever.

I guess I'll post, people in AIM tell me about this every five ;););););););) seconds so I guess I will.

I'm talking with Kisame so I'll post in a bit.

[Kuromaki]

Am I like the only one or do other people nag you about this? xD

[Kazumi Saitama]

Phoenix you know better. Edit your language mister.

BTW: HEY, SHIKAMARU! STOP EDITING MY DAMN POSTS! e.e

[Pool]

I nagged him about it once, Kuro. :lol:

[Phoenix Wright]

Here it is, FINALLY. Alright, prepare for impact lol.

First, the BG logic and default is bull. Here we have the default location, which is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Not only do you have to refer to another manga for this(whether I know of it or not isn't the point at all), but it has nothing to do with the Narutoverse nor should it have anything to do with this debate contest. Then you have the default which says any terrain is given that is needed which is retarded, it basically means the time chamber doesn't exist considering there are easily things that require actual terrain, and then, Shikamaru yourself say Deidara gets as much clay as he needs, which I can safely assume that means infinite.

Not only that, but the fact that you debate on feats and feats alone, is completely retarded and pointless, but I'm gonna ignore that since we all know how hard the BG sucks when you get into stuff like that. And you must debate on not just feats but not as if it were an actual manga fight, but for some retarded BG Fight that makes no sense at all.

Now because you have to refer to another manga-unrelated to the Narutoverse- to find out the location, I'm debating like I don't know what the hell the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is. The location is now a random plain, especially because of the terrain is given rule, which means Deidara wants ground for his landmines. There is now ground. Hey, Kimimaro might need ground for his Dance of the Seedling Fern. The location is a random plain, that's settled.

Now the way I'll suggest reading this is to first read all of Kimimaro's sections and feats, then Deidara's.​ I expect you to not be lazy, and go to every single page I provided, too. But otherwise, first read Kimimaro's power section, his Durability section, then read Deidara's Power and Durability section in that order too. Then read the rest, notes, hype, and the final conclusion, whatever. But what you absolutely CANNOT do is read the conclusion before anything else, that would for one be retarded, and for two mess up the entire flow of the post and you would be severely confused.

To the debate.​

POWER
First off we have power. There isn't much to discuss normally, for Deidara anyway considering he sticks to his bombs for his power. So I'll be speaking for Deidara's bombs, and Kimimaro's actual physical power.

(Kimimaro)

First, for Kimimaro. His bones are dense and as hard as steel, he relies on them to fight. That's that. He's skilled in Taijutsu, had the upper hand with Lee the whole time. So I'll give some feats to back him up.

Chapter 211 page 20, firstly he can basically make bones come out of anywhere on his body, great defense, and offense.

212, Page 4 and 5, his bones are sharp and as I said he can make them appear out of anywhere on his body, just one punch by Lee-actually just him extending his bones alone- managed to cut through Lee with ease.

212, Page 9 and 10. I know speed is equalized but just a note, this is reaction speed. He reacted and extended his bones, he stopped the Lotus completely.

213 page 6, the finger bullets, which if Deidara takes flight will be a good method to win. Next page, you can see they're fast and extremely powerful, but Gaara's sand is still fast for them. We can see Deidara was about as fast as his sand, he should be able to outmaneuver them, saying this as if he takes flight.

216 page 5, this is both a power and durability feat. He tanks the coffin and breaks out, just after surviving the Great Sand Burial too.

The next few pages if you read, you'll see that Kimimaro bypasses Gaara's sand, but with sheer power. It's insane by itself. And he keeps up with Lee and Gaara at the same time, destroying them and Gaara's sand with his CS2.

216 page 12, the spinal cord, it's on. 216 page 14, his "flower," whatever. It's his strongest,thickest bone, nuff said, especially because you've seen already his power and what it can do. And for the lulz I'll give you Chapter 216 page 18 which is Oro being a nice guy and explaining what I explained in a nutshell, well after you've read the durability feats too that is.

216 page 20, Gaara's Ultimate Defense, Shukaku Shield. Kimimaro attacks. Later on you see, Kimimaro's bone breaks because Gaara's defense is too absolute.

So 217 page 13, Gaara's sinking him, killing him, whatever. Pushes him under 200 meters, it's basically impossible to live, or move, or whatever.

Now it's time for Dance of the Seedling Fern. As I also concluded Kimimaro's part of the durability section with the most powerful, finishing durability feat, I'll do the same for his power. The most absolute and powerful attack that Kimimaro has.

217 page 16, it's extremely fast, and clearly strong.

217 page 18, can you imagine being hit by that? Not only that... but turn the page, Kimimaro now can imerge from his bones, and brought up another "flower" bone, it's gonna be hard for anyone to survive that. Though, Deidara being one to stick to long range, as even Kimimaro said he was a close range fighter and Gaara was gonna be troublesome, and Deidara also sticks to the skies which should be pretty easy if Kimimaro resorts to this. And it reaches... as far as the eye can see.

(Deidara)
356 page 10/11, his surprise attack. The ​explosion is pretty big, any explosions by Deidara are pretty powerful.​ Sasuke used a snake to tank it for him, it pretty much burned the snake's scales/skin right off. Note the epic DBZ style crater left by it in the ground.
357 page 15, even one of the tiny bombs that he can easily make dozens of at a time seen a couple pages before, makes that large of explosion. No matter what explosions are deadly, up close that would be devastating.

357 page 16, just to note making clay doesn't take time, just putting his hands over the clay and that's that. Talking always makes it seem like longer, and Deidara was taking his time.
​358 page 6, it doesn't take much to launch an extremely powerful C2 missile, just sucking up his tail a bit and it's ready to go. Basically it works for whatever bombs he makes, the next page the dragon creates landmines for Tobi to place. Each time he hasn't really relied on them, but Tobi can do it for him. He can do it himself however, and he can hide under the ground.

Now we'll see the power of the C2 missiles. Page 8 of that same chapter, it's created instantly and launched, at extreme speeds not even Sasuke (whom blitzed Tobi and Deidara could react to if you'll read back a ways, I didn't point it out because of speed being equal) could dodge. Well he can and does dodge that one anyway, but keep reading.​ Anyway the dragon can rise up into the sky in basically no time, and in a moment you'll see the true speed and power of these missiles, of which THIS Sasuke can't dodge, I wonder if somehow Kimimaro could.​

358 page 11. ITS GO TIME AHAHHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHHHA
Deidara: NOW IM GONNA PROVE I HAVE THE POWER TO ADJUST THE SPEED AND POWER BY SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW, AND YOURE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE IM ACTUALLY GONNA TRY, GG NOOB AHHAHAHAHHAHA LOLOLOLOL

358 Page 12, Oh​ yeah, Sasuke dodges, LOL YOU FORGOT THAT ITS ONLY ONE MISSILE, Guess who can effing spam them, hmm?

And Sasuke barely reacted, he had to go CS2 to fly up to dodge it. Well guess what, Deidara said he'll blast Sasuke into the stratosphere(not a real feat lol).

358 page 15. Alright, there's proof e​nough that he can adjust its size. BIG ONE TIME BOOOOOOM 358 page 16!!!! Lol, alright seriously now. Look at the right of that page, that's the dragon, not Sasuke. An extremely devastating attack, and it's a lot faster than normal, a LOT stronger too. But remember what CS2 survived, that Giant Sand Burial? Either way, CS2 is CS2, I know it's a different seal, but anyway, Sasuke had to use his wing to block that blast, and it cost him it. Deidara's spamming like no other, he even readies another missile, too bad it won't be used.

359 page 7, that's just a few landmines too.

Anyway that about does it. I'll be listing a lot more reasons on his power later, his attacks that aren't banned anyway aren't THAT impressive, but don't worry, he definitely stands a good chance.​ But FIRST, we'll go back to the rescue Gaara arc thing.

278 page 2, Deidara explodes his clone. It was too late for them, Kakashi had to kamui it for them to survive, they couldn't outrun it. Deidara went underground to survive that. It'd be a good method to win too.​

DURABILITY
Now for Durability, which seems like a pretty obvious one, like above, we'll start with Kimimaro.

(Kimimaro)

Chapter 211 page 13-14, got kicked extremely hard and far by Lee and got up, he was fine.

As said above, he used his bones and blocked Lee's Lotus and the impact of the kick completely.

215 page 15/16, he manages to survive a sand coffin which getting crushed under that much pressure is impressive.
215 page 19, here comes the most obvious and impressive. Now, 215 page 20. The entire area is complete sand, and Kimimaro is buried under that much pressure. He's completely CRUSHED. And unlike the bombs, sure explosions will explode you and they're really devastating when you bring Science into it, this completely crushes, and flattens you. I'd wager the only things surviving would be bijuu cloaks or bijuu, anything else is pretty arguable to whether they can survive. He gets out, surviving that and he's fine.

As I said above, 216 page 5,Not only is it a power feat but the fact he survived and tanked it and busted through and continued to run, after surviving the giant Great Sand Burial, another Sand Coffin and much more, says itself that he has insane durability and one of the highest.only that, but that he tanked it.

(Deidara)

Of course Deidara is a long range fighter and doesn't get hit much, the range of their fights keep them safe. The fact he withstood the whole fight with Deidara shows he has good durability, and all he survived doing that, the landmines, etc. He survived their entire fight which says a lot.

He tanked a hit from KN1 Naruto, which says a lot more than the above. Bijuu Cloak boosts stats, a BUNCH, and that Part 1 Naruto vs Sasuke fight vouches for that, even the KN0 who punched Haku through his own mirror which Fireball jutsu could just barely melt it.
Well anyway it's been quite awhile, those are some pretty good feats in total I'd say. ​Now to wrap it up with the rest of the stuff, granted you read the Hype for them both and whatever else.​

NOTES

Now the notes about the above subjects so far. Well I didn't mention Speed or Intelligence because it isn't needed here, they're bloodlusted and would want to get the fight over with, and speed is equalized.

With that said, first off, as with the past two, starting with Kimimaro. Not only did he do ALL OF THE ABOVE, but he managed to have enough chakra in the end to conjure up that massive, powerful Dance of the Seedling fern. After taking all of that in, after tanking everything they threw at him, he never ran out of chakra. and the one most important thing to note. Kimimaro had a disease, he was EXTREMELY handicapped and weakened during that fight, it also cost him the lost. Kimimaro's completely insane.

Now Deidara. He has as much clay as he needs. AS MUCH AS HE NEEDS.​ This means he can spam all day long. Now explosions, C1 or whatever may not seem THAT destructive, but trust me, when you can spam however much and as long as you want non-stop...I'll explain the rest when we wrap it up.​

HYPE

First, the feats I've given above eliminate the need for a specific feats section, so the section here until the final wrapping up and concluding is hype.

(Kimimaro)

Now, I'll start by saying that Kimimaro was severely weakened during his fight, he's pretty powerful and considered pretty strong, the strongest of the sound five. Even when Sasuke killed Orochimaru and went to get Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu, Juugo said he looked up to him, and Kimimaro was strong for a ninja even back then, especially because of the feats and everything I've given.

(Deidara)

Deidara is an Akatsuki, first off he was strong enough to join Akatsuki, he's an S-Ranked feared ninja, he nearly killed Sasuke, he had a foolproof plan to kill Itachi, stuff like that.

CONCLUSION
Alright, it's FINALLY time to conclude my post, and post it. This took me awhile, I'm not gonna lie(saying "I'm not gonna lie"​ implies that you lie, little known fact, well actually I do lie, everyone lies, so I have a right to say it). Normally the past debate contests took me about 15 minutes but this one actually took some time, only about a half hour more than usual though, since we have an epic snowstorm and I went snowmobiling and was busy since I posted last. Now we can finally get to concluding and ending my post, and revealing the final verdict.

First. I've given feats, and backed up both sides. I've debated and discussed with Kisame until we agreed on a winner. Now. To explain the fight, and end this.

Kimimaro is a close range fighter, he said himself in his fight with Gaara. He said because he's a long range fighter it's gonna be tough to get close, and it's gonna be hard to fight with him. This is a similar situation. Kakashi also said Deidara was a long range fighter. The thing is Deidara has however much clay he needs. That plays a gigantic part in this debate. The fact that Kimimaro honestly has no way of reaching him, even with Dance of the Seedling fern, really puts a handicap on him. Though Seedling Fern requires Deidara to resort to the skies, that's where he normally would be. I've backed up Kimimaro's durability too, he definitely stands a good chance.

But the fact that I backed up and showed the obvious devastating power of the C2 Dragon Missiles, which even then Deidara spammed like no other when he had LIMITED sand, and the fact each one ALONE could be more powerful than a Great Sand Burial...

The reason being that, and the thing is, the sand burial applies pressure, the explosions are explosions. And extremely powerful ones at that.

Now, Deidara can sit atop the skies, and there isn't much Kimimaro can do at all. Deidara gets infinite sand, he can sit on a C2 Dragon, use up all of its missiles, then create another, and do it as long as he wants. Just a FEW missiles have the power to severely injure and probably kill Kimimaro bypassing his durability, can you imagine infinite clay and spamming them over and over again, multiple C2 dragons. Nobody in the Narutoverse would be able to survive, granted they can't reach Deidara anyway.

And the last thing I want to say it "Oh well he can't make it before Kimi reaches him," for one, speed is equal, and for two I provided proof above it takes practically no time to create one. Now either way. 50 meters, is a LONG distance, whether it's Narutoverse or not, it's a long distance. Even if it does take some time, and Deidara chats about it and chats the day away(which won't happen), he would still have time. Speed is equal too, even then Kimimaro going CS2 shouldn't mean MUCH. Deidara can basically sit up in the skies, where nobody will be reaching him, and spam his heart away, there's absolutely nothing Kimimaro can do.

THE FINAL VERDICT.
So with that, with all of the evidence I've given... Deidara should win this fight.​

Whew, I think that was nearly twice as long as my other debating contest posts. When you zoomed out all the way on the other ones, you still had to scroll down to see the rest. This one is nearly twice as long. Sorry about that >_>​, good fight whoever judges this xD

Oh yeah, and one more thing, does Kisame have to post? Since we already discussed it and came up with a winner that's all that's really needed I don't see why he'd need to post, if someone counters this then he can start posting to debate, but for now there's no reason he has to, plus it doesn't seem right before the other team gets a chance to respond even.

[WindScar22]

... *now has tiny eyes of awe*

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Here it is, FINALLY. Alright, prepare for impact lol.

First, the BG logic and default is bull. Here we have the default location, which is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Not only do you have to refer to another manga for this(whether I know of it or not isn't the point at all), but it has nothing to do with the Narutoverse nor should it have anything to do with this debate contest. Then you have the default which says any terrain is given that is needed which is retarded, it basically means the time chamber doesn't exist considering there are easily things that require actual terrain, and then, Shikamaru yourself say Deidara gets as much clay as he needs, which I can safely assume that means infinite.

Not only that, but the fact that you debate on feats and feats alone, is completely retarded and pointless, but I'm gonna ignore that since we all know how hard the BG sucks when you get into stuff like that. And you must debate on not just feats but not as if it were an actual manga fight, but for some retarded BG Fight that makes no sense at all.

Now because you have to refer to another manga-unrelated to the Narutoverse- to find out the location, I'm debating like I don't know what the hell the Hyperbolic Time Chamber is. The location is now a random plain, especially because of the terrain is given rule, which means Deidara wants ground for his landmines. There is now ground. Hey, Kimimaro might need ground for his Dance of the Seedling Fern. The location is a random plain, that's settled.

Now the way I'll suggest reading this is to first read all of Kimimaro's sections and feats, then Deidara's.​ I expect you to not be lazy, and go to every single page I provided, too. But otherwise, first read Kimimaro's power section, his Durability section, then read Deidara's Power and Durability section in that order too. Then read the rest, notes, hype, and the final conclusion, whatever. But what you absolutely CANNOT do is read the conclusion before anything else, that would for one be retarded, and for two mess up the entire flow of the post and you would be severely confused.

To the debate.​

POWER
First off we have power. There isn't much to discuss normally, for Deidara anyway considering he sticks to his bombs for his power. So I'll be speaking for Deidara's bombs, and Kimimaro's actual physical power.

(Kimimaro)

First, for Kimimaro. His bones are dense and as hard as steel, he relies on them to fight. That's that. He's skilled in Taijutsu, had the upper hand with Lee the whole time. So I'll give some feats to back him up.

Chapter 211 page 20, firstly he can basically make bones come out of anywhere on his body, great defense, and offense.

212, Page 4 and 5, his bones are sharp and as I said he can make them appear out of anywhere on his body, just one punch by Lee-actually just him extending his bones alone- managed to cut through Lee with ease.

212, Page 9 and 10. I know speed is equalized but just a note, this is reaction speed. He reacted and extended his bones, he stopped the Lotus completely.

213 page 6, the finger bullets, which if Deidara takes flight will be a good method to win. Next page, you can see they're fast and extremely powerful, but Gaara's sand is still fast for them. We can see Deidara was about as fast as his sand, he should be able to outmaneuver them, saying this as if he takes flight.

216 page 5, this is both a power and durability feat. He tanks the coffin and breaks out, just after surviving the Great Sand Burial too.

The next few pages if you read, you'll see that Kimimaro bypasses Gaara's sand, but with sheer power. It's insane by itself. And he keeps up with Lee and Gaara at the same time, destroying them and Gaara's sand with his CS2.

216 page 12, the spinal cord, it's on. 216 page 14, his "flower," whatever. It's his strongest,thickest bone, nuff said, especially because you've seen already his power and what it can do. And for the lulz I'll give you Chapter 216 page 18 which is Oro being a nice guy and explaining what I explained in a nutshell, well after you've read the durability feats too that is.

216 page 20, Gaara's Ultimate Defense, Shukaku Shield. Kimimaro attacks. Later on you see, Kimimaro's bone breaks because Gaara's defense is too absolute.

So 217 page 13, Gaara's sinking him, killing him, whatever. Pushes him under 200 meters, it's basically impossible to live, or move, or whatever.

Now it's time for Dance of the Seedling Fern. As I also concluded Kimimaro's part of the durability section with the most powerful, finishing durability feat, I'll do the same for his power. The most absolute and powerful attack that Kimimaro has.

217 page 16, it's extremely fast, and clearly strong.

217 page 18, can you imagine being hit by that? Not only that... but turn the page, Kimimaro now can imerge from his bones, and brought up another "flower" bone, it's gonna be hard for anyone to survive that. Though, Deidara being one to stick to long range, as even Kimimaro said he was a close range fighter and Gaara was gonna be troublesome, and Deidara also sticks to the skies which should be pretty easy if Kimimaro resorts to this. And it reaches... as far as the eye can see.

(Deidara)
356 page 10/11, his surprise attack. The ​explosion is pretty big, any explosions by Deidara are pretty powerful.​ Sasuke used a snake to tank it for him, it pretty much burned the snake's scales/skin right off. Note the epic DBZ style crater left by it in the ground.
357 page 15, even one of the tiny bombs that he can easily make dozens of at a time seen a couple pages before, makes that large of explosion. No matter what explosions are deadly, up close that would be devastating.

357 page 16, just to note making clay doesn't take time, just putting his hands over the clay and that's that. Talking always makes it seem like longer, and Deidara was taking his time.
​358 page 6, it doesn't take much to launch an extremely powerful C2 missile, just sucking up his tail a bit and it's ready to go. Basically it works for whatever bombs he makes, the next page the dragon creates landmines for Tobi to place. Each time he hasn't really relied on them, but Tobi can do it for him. He can do it himself however, and he can hide under the ground.

Now we'll see the power of the C2 missiles. Page 8 of that same chapter, it's created instantly and launched, at extreme speeds not even Sasuke (whom blitzed Tobi and Deidara could react to if you'll read back a ways, I didn't point it out because of speed being equal) could dodge. Well he can and does dodge that one anyway, but keep reading.​ Anyway the dragon can rise up into the sky in basically no time, and in a moment you'll see the true speed and power of these missiles, of which THIS Sasuke can't dodge, I wonder if somehow Kimimaro could.​

358 page 11. ITS GO TIME AHAHHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHHHA
Deidara: NOW IM GONNA PROVE I HAVE THE POWER TO ADJUST THE SPEED AND POWER BY SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW, AND YOURE GOING TO DIE BECAUSE IM ACTUALLY GONNA TRY, GG NOOB AHHAHAHAHHAHA LOLOLOLOL

358 Page 12, Oh​ yeah, Sasuke dodges, LOL YOU FORGOT THAT ITS ONLY ONE MISSILE, Guess who can effing spam them, hmm?

And Sasuke barely reacted, he had to go CS2 to fly up to dodge it. Well guess what, Deidara said he'll blast Sasuke into the stratosphere(not a real feat lol).

358 page 15. Alright, there's proof e​nough that he can adjust its size. BIG ONE TIME BOOOOOOM 358 page 16!!!! Lol, alright seriously now. Look at the right of that page, that's the dragon, not Sasuke. An extremely devastating attack, and it's a lot faster than normal, a LOT stronger too. But remember what CS2 survived, that Giant Sand Burial? Either way, CS2 is CS2, I know it's a different seal, but anyway, Sasuke had to use his wing to block that blast, and it cost him it. Deidara's spamming like no other, he even readies another missile, too bad it won't be used.

359 page 7, that's just a few landmines too.

Anyway that about does it. I'll be listing a lot more reasons on his power later, his attacks that aren't banned anyway aren't THAT impressive, but don't worry, he definitely stands a good chance.​ But FIRST, we'll go back to the rescue Gaara arc thing.

278 page 2, Deidara explodes his clone. It was too late for them, Kakashi had to kamui it for them to survive, they couldn't outrun it. Deidara went underground to survive that. It'd be a good method to win too.​

DURABILITY
Now for Durability, which seems like a pretty obvious one, like above, we'll start with Kimimaro.

(Kimimaro)

Chapter 211 page 13-14, got kicked extremely hard and far by Lee and got up, he was fine.

As said above, he used his bones and blocked Lee's Lotus and the impact of the kick completely.

215 page 15/16, he manages to survive a sand coffin which getting crushed under that much pressure is impressive.
215 page 19, here comes the most obvious and impressive. Now, 215 page 20. The entire area is complete sand, and Kimimaro is buried under that much pressure. He's completely CRUSHED. And unlike the bombs, sure explosions will explode you and they're really devastating when you bring Science into it, this completely crushes, and flattens you. I'd wager the only things surviving would be bijuu cloaks or bijuu, anything else is pretty arguable to whether they can survive. He gets out, surviving that and he's fine.

As I said above, 216 page 5,Not only is it a power feat but the fact he survived and tanked it and busted through and continued to run, after surviving the giant Great Sand Burial, another Sand Coffin and much more, says itself that he has insane durability and one of the highest.only that, but that he tanked it.

(Deidara)

Of course Deidara is a long range fighter and doesn't get hit much, the range of their fights keep them safe. The fact he withstood the whole fight with Deidara shows he has good durability, and all he survived doing that, the landmines, etc. He survived their entire fight which says a lot.

He tanked a hit from KN1 Naruto, which says a lot more than the above. Bijuu Cloak boosts stats, a BUNCH, and that Part 1 Naruto vs Sasuke fight vouches for that, even the KN0 who punched Haku through his own mirror which Fireball jutsu could just barely melt it.
Well anyway it's been quite awhile, those are some pretty good feats in total I'd say. ​Now to wrap it up with the rest of the stuff, granted you read the Hype for them both and whatever else.​

NOTES

Now the notes about the above subjects so far. Well I didn't mention Speed or Intelligence because it isn't needed here, they're bloodlusted and would want to get the fight over with, and speed is equalized.

With that said, first off, as with the past two, starting with Kimimaro. Not only did he do ALL OF THE ABOVE, but he managed to have enough chakra in the end to conjure up that massive, powerful Dance of the Seedling fern. After taking all of that in, after tanking everything they threw at him, he never ran out of chakra. and the one most important thing to note. Kimimaro had a disease, he was EXTREMELY handicapped and weakened during that fight, it also cost him the lost. Kimimaro's completely insane.

Now Deidara. He has as much clay as he needs. AS MUCH AS HE NEEDS.​ This means he can spam all day long. Now explosions, C1 or whatever may not seem THAT destructive, but trust me, when you can spam however much and as long as you want non-stop...I'll explain the rest when we wrap it up.​

HYPE

First, the feats I've given above eliminate the need for a specific feats section, so the section here until the final wrapping up and concluding is hype.

(Kimimaro)

Now, I'll start by saying that Kimimaro was severely weakened during his fight, he's pretty powerful and considered pretty strong, the strongest of the sound five. Even when Sasuke killed Orochimaru and went to get Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu, Juugo said he looked up to him, and Kimimaro was strong for a ninja even back then, especially because of the feats and everything I've given.

(Deidara)

Deidara is an Akatsuki, first off he was strong enough to join Akatsuki, he's an S-Ranked feared ninja, he nearly killed Sasuke, he had a foolproof plan to kill Itachi, stuff like that.

CONCLUSION
Alright, it's FINALLY time to conclude my post, and post it. This took me awhile, I'm not gonna lie(saying "I'm not gonna lie"​ implies that you lie, little known fact, well actually I do lie, everyone lies, so I have a right to say it). Normally the past debate contests took me about 15 minutes but this one actually took some time, only about a half hour more than usual though, since we have an epic snowstorm and I went snowmobiling and was busy since I posted last. Now we can finally get to concluding and ending my post, and revealing the final verdict.

First. I've given feats, and backed up both sides. I've debated and discussed with Kisame until we agreed on a winner. Now. To explain the fight, and end this.

Kimimaro is a close range fighter, he said himself in his fight with Gaara. He said because he's a long range fighter it's gonna be tough to get close, and it's gonna be hard to fight with him. This is a similar situation. Kakashi also said Deidara was a long range fighter. The thing is Deidara has however much clay he needs. That plays a gigantic part in this debate. The fact that Kimimaro honestly has no way of reaching him, even with Dance of the Seedling fern, really puts a handicap on him. Though Seedling Fern requires Deidara to resort to the skies, that's where he normally would be. I've backed up Kimimaro's durability too, he definitely stands a good chance.

But the fact that I backed up and showed the obvious devastating power of the C2 Dragon Missiles, which even then Deidara spammed like no other when he had LIMITED sand, and the fact each one ALONE could be more powerful than a Great Sand Burial...

The reason being that, and the thing is, the sand burial applies pressure, the explosions are explosions. And extremely powerful ones at that.

Now, Deidara can sit atop the skies, and there isn't much Kimimaro can do at all. Deidara gets infinite sand, he can sit on a C2 Dragon, use up all of its missiles, then create another, and do it as long as he wants. Just a FEW missiles have the power to severely injure and probably kill Kimimaro bypassing his durability, can you imagine infinite clay and spamming them over and over again, multiple C2 dragons. Nobody in the Narutoverse would be able to survive, granted they can't reach Deidara anyway.

And the last thing I want to say it "Oh well he can't make it before Kimi reaches him," for one, speed is equal, and for two I provided proof above it takes practically no time to create one. Now either way. 50 meters, is a LONG distance, whether it's Narutoverse or not, it's a long distance. Even if it does take some time, and Deidara chats about it and chats the day away(which won't happen), he would still have time. Speed is equal too, even then Kimimaro going CS2 shouldn't mean MUCH. Deidara can basically sit up in the skies, where nobody will be reaching him, and spam his heart away, there's absolutely nothing Kimimaro can do.

THE FINAL VERDICT.
So with that, with all of the evidence I've given... Deidara should win this fight.​

Whew, I think that was nearly twice as long as my other debating contest posts. When you zoomed out all the way on the other ones, you still had to scroll down to see the rest. This one is nearly twice as long. Sorry about that >_>​, good fight whoever judges this xD

Oh yeah, and one more thing, does Kisame have to post? Since we already discussed it and came up with a winner that's all that's really needed I don't see why he'd need to post, if someone counters this then he can start posting to debate, but for now there's no reason he has to, plus it doesn't seem right before the other team gets a chance to respond even.
He doesn't have to post.

[Phoenix Wright]

He doesn't have to post.
Yeah because posting when the other team hadn't even had a chance to respond yet is just wrong, that's why I wondered.

And seriously wth, why quote my post people xD

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Yeah because posting when the other team hadn't even had a chance to respond yet is just wrong, that's why I wondered.

And seriously wth, why quote my post people xD
Windscar posted before you I think.

It trains my eyes.

[WindScar22]

I did indeed post before him.

[Phoenix Wright]

Windscar posted before you I think.

It trains my eyes.
What's that have to do with though, I meant it's not right for Kisame to post additional stuff before WindScar or Firsty or whoever gets to respond to my post in the first place.

I have the sharingan.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

What's that have to do with though, I meant it's not right for Kisame to post additional stuff before WindScar or Firsty or whoever gets to respond to my post in the first place.

I have the sharingan.
He could counter him. But I thought you meant they hadn't posted yet.

Then Kishi loves you.

[Phoenix Wright]

Nah that's not what I meant.

Awww Kishi.

[Shikamaru Nara]

GG judge. :lol:

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Yah if Windscar or First don't counter by Saturday night I'm judging this.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Reasonable. Sorry that only you and Pat have done this and the other judges didn't pull through. :\

[Frost ninja]

Inuyasha is on my team D:
You mean windscar?

[WindScar22]

I come back with another question. What if Kimimaro were to hide somewhere in his Bracken Dance? It might be almost impossible to maneuver bombs around the bones.
Then he could make a giant spear out of bone and swing it around, to try and swat Deidara. If Deidara got swatted, then Deidara would fall on a bone, and get stabbed in the chest. He could use a clay clone to escape, but I'm not sure if he'd think of that.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Inuyasha is on my team D:
You mean windscar?
Windscar too. >_>

[Phoenix Wright]

I come back with another question. What if Kimimaro were to hide somewhere in his Bracken Dance? It might be almost impossible to maneuver bombs around the bones.
Then he could make a giant spear out of bone and swing it around, to try and swat Deidara. If Deidara got swatted, then Deidara would fall on a bone, and get stabbed in the chest. He could use a clay clone to escape, but I'm not sure if he'd think of that.
Ohako. Deidara can sit in the skies, Kimimaro can't touch him, there's no bones that can possibly reach as far as Deidara decides to go up. If he manages to pull off C3 it's even worse for Kimimaro.

Dance of the seedling fern went pretty far, but Ohako would have destroyed a gigantic portion of the sand village, Kimimaro's bones will just be blown to pieces, like I said it'll only be worse for him. Ohako is huge.

And for the record, Deidara's bombs are small and guided, he could easily create hundreds or however many he needs to search through the bones.

Plus he has his eye thing, I don't know if he has it for this debate though.

Just one C1 is gonna severely injure Kimi because of the mechanics of explosions of Deidara's jutsu, and they can become concentrated and explode on him and do something like rattle his brain and cause brain damage which no matter the density of the bones he won't be able to recover.

[The 1st Hokage]

Post, or not to post, that is the question? Well, what the hell!

I guess my teams rooting for Deidara, or are we playing for both sides. Who gives a ;);););)? Not me!

Okay. as Phoenix has said, All Diedara has to do is sit in the sky and twiddle his thumbs, then bombard Kimmi with C2 Missiles, or even just C1 animals. Deidara has such a wide variety of explosions, and with a dragon or bird, his options expand further. Now lets play with the option that Deidara never leaves the ground. We saw him run away from Team Gai with no arms and a kunai in his mouth, so what would make someone doubt he could fight off Kimmi with both arms? While he runs, Deidara makes a clay spider, chunks it in Kimmi's face, Kimmi is wounded, then the rest of his body incinerated by a bombardment of C2 missiles from above.

Now, seeing as I can't win this match, why not go on?

Now, as for Kimmi, he has many valueble abilities, all useless if Deidara isn't on the ground, but lethal if Kimmi gets within melee range. I mean, Bracken Dance, seen in chapter 217, would be death for Deidara if he was on the ground. Or the Clemantis dance variants, Flower and Vine, seen on Chapter 216, extend Kimmi's melee range, and make him more lethal when that close. Now, I don't doubt Deidara could dodge for some time. Part 1 Lee did that, and all the feats from Dei's fight with Sasuke help prove this further.

My verdict of this match is: If Deidara flies out of range, and makes C1 Animals, or shoots him with C2 Missiles, Kimmi is screwed. Now if the fight stays on the ground, Kimmi takes this with extreme difficulty.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Countered i see. ;)

[Shikamaru Nara]

Match is over. Yori, can you judge this? Or J-Sun

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Going to keep this short a sweet.

Phoenix and Kisame win. Phoenix's post was long and detailed listing how Deidara would win and potential problems for both sides, and he neither overrated or underrated either character.

1st and Inuyasha's lacked descriptiveness and detail, Inuyasha's counter to Phoenix's post didn't really help them either.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Boom, bam, pow. Thanks. Locked.