What Does 4th Kazekage Bring to the Table?

[SharinganSage]

Obviously, there was a reason why Kabuto wanted the 4th Kazekage. But what abilities does he have? He was at least powerful enough to seal the 1 tail in Gaara. But maybe Gaara's powers of Sand manipulation came (genetically) from his father. Cuz after the 1 tail was removed from Gaara, he still had the sand powers. (if there is another reason for this, please tell me, cuz i still don't know why/how he can manipulate sand still).

On a somewhat different matter, the 4th said the 2nd hokage had been dead long before his time, but he knew of Oro and his resurrection tech. Correct me if im wrong, but didn't Oro kill the 4th kazekage BEFORE he demonstrated the summoning of the 1st and 2nd hokages? How exactly did he know about Oro's edo tensei? Aaaah... something to think about.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

As to how he knew about Oro knowing the Edo Tensei technique, it's either because:

A) Kabuto somehow passed this knowledge onto those he summoned
B) Orochimaru used Edo Tensei some other time in the past that we don't know about
C) Kabuto said that whoever uses Edo Tensei is destined to become ridiculously famous. Orochimaru was the one who perfected Edo Tensei, so it makes sense that it would make him seem famous.
D) Word got around when Orochimaru found those secret scrolls in Konoha back before he betrayed them. The Third Hokage probably spread the word about what information Orochimaru discovered to those he trusted so they would be prepared for the worst. However, a secret like that doesn't stay secret for long, so others (spies, likely) probably uncovered the info and told their villages about it.

[deidara330]

1. Chiyo sealed Shukaku inside Gaara, not Gaara's father.

2. Gaara's sand manipulation came from Shukaku's powers. The reason he retained them after Shukaku was extracted is because his body had adapted to Shukaku's powers when they were still together. I believe a databook stated that.

3. I'm not sure how Gaara's father knew that. It could be that Orochimaru used Hashirama and Tobirama to kill him, but when Tobirama was summoned against Hiruzen it seemed like he was only then aware he was summoned, and if he were summoned earlier that wouldn't have happened.

[SageoftheSixPaths]

@D330: What if you lose all your memories of the LAST time you were summoned? That way you couldn't try and fight against the Jutsu the next time you were summoned.

[deidara330]

@D330: What if you lose all your memories of the LAST time you were summoned? That way you couldn't try and fight against the Jutsu the next time you were summoned.Deidara's actions suggest otherwise, because he remembered he was summoned the second time.

[SharinganSage]

As to how he knew about Oro knowing the Edo Tensei technique, it's either because:

A) Kabuto somehow passed this knowledge onto those he summoned
B) Orochimaru used Edo Tensei some other time in the past that we don't know about
C) Kabuto said that whoever uses Edo Tensei is destined to become ridiculously famous. Orochimaru was the one who perfected Edo Tensei, so it makes sense that it would make him seem famous.
D) Word got around when Orochimaru found those secret scrolls in Konoha back before he betrayed them. The Third Hokage probably spread the word about what information Orochimaru discovered to those he trusted so they would be prepared for the worst. However, a secret like that doesn't stay secret for long, so others (spies, likely) probably uncovered the info and told their villages about it.

A)- in ch 521, lady chiyo said that the ressurection tech had been improved since the 2nd hokage AND: "whoever is in control is something else, to have bound this many souls at once." meaning most likely that the zombies don't know who exactly is in control.

B) and C)- while it does take practice to actually master a tech., i would probably say that oro wasn't the "glory getter" type. he probably didn't show the 4th kazekage anything about edo tensei either since he was merely a pawn.

D)- now remember when the 3rd hokage first discovered oro performing experiments in konoha? i dont remember what chapter, i just remember it from the anime... anyway, the 3rd said something like: "don't tell me you mastered THAT jutsu?!?!" which suggested to me that the 3rd did not know exactly what oro had been doing and training for since he read the scrolls.

[EvL j3st3r]

I agree that Gaara's sand manipulation may be his own power (not of Shukaku). I have argued this many many many times.

[3littlepigs]

Obviously, there was a reason why Kabuto wanted the 4th Kazekage. But what abilities does he have? He was at least powerful enough to seal the 1 tail in Gaara. But maybe Gaara's powers of Sand manipulation came (genetically) from his father. Cuz after the 1 tail was removed from Gaara, he still had the sand powers. (if there is another reason for this, please tell me, cuz i still don't know why/how he can manipulate sand still).

On a somewhat different matter, the 4th said the 2nd hokage had been dead long before his time, but he knew of Oro and his resurrection tech. Correct me if im wrong, but didn't Oro kill the 4th kazekage BEFORE he demonstrated the summoning of the 1st and 2nd hokages? How exactly did he know about Oro's edo tensei? Aaaah... something to think about.
First, I believe it was Granny Chiyo who sealed the bijuu in Gaara. Second, obviously because of emotional ties it's to Kabuto's advantage to summon him. It might not do anything to Gaara seeing as he probably hated/hates his dad but Kankuro and Temari are something else. As for Gaara still being able to manipulate sand....well so far as I know it was never explained why he still has the ability but I don't think it's a kekkei genkai since 1) it has never even been mentioned that his family or "clan" have the ability 2) Temari and Kankuro don't fight with sand at all... and 3) correct me if I'm wrong but his sand ability just like the dark circles around his eyes were mentioned to be related to Shukkaku.

I believe I also read something about it being unnecessary to change certain things about the character just because Shukkaku was gone...it was the reason why Kishi said he left the black thingy around his eyes.

Technically and in appearance order Oro did kill the 4th Kazakage before WE saw him use Edo Tensei but since we weren't actually shown anything about that fight (only the actual corpses) Kishi can write whatever he wants about it.. and who knows maybe Oro did use it to fight Gaara's dad although I doubt it. Still, it's the only plausible options since not even Sarutobi was certain Oro could use it until their fight. Also, just for the sake of the plot it seems one of the summoned characters in each group has to know about Edo Tensei so we could also blame it on that...:roll:

[tsuki]

As to how he knew about Oro knowing the Edo Tensei technique, it's either because:

A) Kabuto somehow passed this knowledge onto those he summoned
B) Orochimaru used Edo Tensei some other time in the past that we don't know about
C) Kabuto said that whoever uses Edo Tensei is destined to become ridiculously famous. Orochimaru was the one who perfected Edo Tensei, so it makes sense that it would make him seem famous.
D) Word got around when Orochimaru found those secret scrolls in Konoha back before he betrayed them. The Third Hokage probably spread the word about what information Orochimaru discovered to those he trusted so they would be prepared for the worst. However, a secret like that doesn't stay secret for long, so others (spies, likely) probably uncovered the info and told their villages about it.

E) Orochimaru had to use it to beat the Tsuchikage.

But yeah, I am also wondering what he is capable of.

[Sai root]

I think the shukaku uses wind release techniques

[Shikamaru Nara]

As of yet, we really have no clue what powers he has. The only thing remotely close to a feat that he's shown was getting killed by Orochimaru, but I do agree that there had to be a legitimate reason why Kabuto would have summoned him.