who is in the coffin?

[thenewguy]

Here are all the people I think might be in the coffin that kabuto summoned that could be a threat to tobi or madara if he turns out to be madara?
The real Madara
Izuna
Sasuke Sarutobi
Rikudo
UnKnown Kage

[UnDeAd Hikari]

I was thinking it was the sage of the 6 paths..

[naruto_jock]

If it were the sage of the six paths then why would Kabutomaru need Madara's help in the ninja war? The sage is the dude who came up with all the jutsu and if Kabutomaru had his body he wouldn't need anyone to help fight in the ninja war. The body inside the coffin is clearly someone that could uproot Madara's plans but isn't a total trump card for Kabutomaru to pawn everyone in the ninja war. I personally think it's one of the sons of the sage. That's all.

[EvL j3st3r]

The RS did not come up with "all the ninjutsu". There have been many jutsu to originate since after his time. He is credited for inventing ninjutsu in itself not specifically each individual technique. but that's a good point about the sage's son. Actually if it was the elder son Madara could've been fooled into thinking it was the RS since the Rinnegan would've been the defining characteristic.

[TheTrueMasterofIllusions]

Could be his brother. They were known to have been equelly matched or it could be Hashirama in a new body.

[deidara330]

It could be anyone deceased, but there's things to consider:
- Kabuto said "Don't worry, I won't tell anyone about this"; Why would Kabuto telling someone about who he summoned be a problem for Madara?
- Madara said "If I fight you now, I will only weaken myself"; He implies he would still win, so who would it be that could scare him, but he could still beat?
- As soon as Kabuto summons him, Madara says "Th, That's...!!" Which should mean he recognized the person Kabuto summoned.

[Kakuzu]

My first guess was Minato, but then after Edo Tensei was fully clarified by Kabuto and jugding by deidara330's facts, my predictions shift to either his brother or the Sage of the Six Paths. I could even be somebody who we haven't been made aware of yet, but I highly doubt it.

[SilentBlade]

Few things..

It cannot be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th Hokage, all of them are in the reaper and cannot be summoned

It cannot be Rikudo Sennin, Kabuto stated he needed some DNA, anything just to be able to summon the individual, and I just so highly doubt he'd be able to recover the body of Rikudo Sennin considering how long ago he lived/died and the ability to track down that type of thing.

I suppose it could be Izuna, but I am more inclined to believe it is the actual Madara. I just don't buy the whole "he's immortal" thing, and believe someone else is using his legacy, adding their ability to the idea of fighting an immortal will really have an impact on an enemy.

[Nyaki]

My two guesses are

The Real Madara or Izuna Uchiha

[J-Sun Tasogare]

I think it might be Shisui.

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

i was thinkn itd be the real madara or the sage

[zerosameri]

Well it's not RS. :I

[Vivi]

I think it might be Shisui.

Didn't Kabuto say he couldn't find Shisui's Body?
Without the Body he doesn't have what he needs for Edo Tensei.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Hashirama?

Based on what Deidara said, Madara knew the person, and couldn't fight him at the time. Hashirama Senju would've been the first person to come to my mind when I read that. So that's my guess.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Didn't Kabuto say he couldn't find Shisui's Body?
Without the Body he doesn't have what he needs for Edo Tensei.
That's true. I forgot.

It could be someone unpredictable, like someone he met before making the Akatsuki and after his fight with Harshiama. Maybe someone that helped him during the Massacre?

[naruto_jock]

Hashirama?

Based on what Deidara said, Madara knew the person, and couldn't fight him at the time. Hashirama Senju would've been the first person to come to my mind when I read that. So that's my guess.

Not the case. Hashirama is concealed in the Reaper thx to the third hokage performing the reaper seal. It can't be RS because if it were then Kabutomaru is hax and there's no point in the ninja war now. The only person I can think of that is a legitimate person is a son of the sage or the founding father of the Uchiha.

[Vivi]

That's true. I forgot.

It could be someone unpredictable, like someone he met before making the Akatsuki and after his fight with Harshiama. Maybe someone that helped him during the Massacre?

Let me see what do we know:
It's someone deceased but not one of the one's active:
Currently the Manga has 133 deceased Characters.
Let's exclude the ones who we know it ain't:
No Hokage as their sealed.
Shisui.Jiraya.

127 left.

Let's exclude the minor ones:
Previous 8 tails.Zaku.Muta.Shibito.Baiu.Chibi.Chiriku.Gato.Ge n'yumaru.Animal Path's Summons.Haku's mother and Father.Fuu.Hayate.Hiruko.Kumo's head Ninja.Kaiza.Kakko.Karura.Dosu.Mahiru.Messenger lizard.Midare,Midori.Motoi's Dad.Mukade.Nagato's Father and Mother.Nawaki.Oro's second Body.Otora.Sajin.Biwako.Sasori's Parents.Shigure.Shiore.Suname.
Taiseki.Taji.Tajiki.Takishi.Kumade.Tsuba.Tsubusa.K in.
Iruka's Parents.Yashamaru and Yura.

Thus leaving us with:
Body's of Pain.
Monzaemon Chikamatsu.
Sakumo Hatake.
Sound 4.
Konan.
Rin.
Rikodou.
Senju and Uchiha Ancestor.
Danzo.
Toka Senju.
Uchiha Clan.
Kushina and Mito Uzumaki.

Elimination:
Any of Pain's Path is nonsense.Out.
Sound 4? Do I need to explain?Out.
Uchiha Clan: Eliminating the Minors ones:
Hibaku.Inabi.Setsuna.Tekka.Teyaki.Uruchi.Yakumi.Ya shiro.
Leaving:
Fugaku,Mikoto,Obito,Kagami,Izuna with the possibility of Madara.
Konan: Doubt she'll scare Madara when he wooped her last Time.Out.Also IIRC she was alive when it was shown.
Kushina: When the 6th Coffin was shown IIRC she was inside Naruto.Not sure if it counts.MAYBE.


Who's Left:
Monzaemon Chikamatsu.
Rin.
Rikodou.
Clan Ancestors.
Sakumo.
Danzo.
Some Uchiha's.
Toka.
Mito.

Now:
Rin: Her Past is shrouded in Mystery.it's a low possibility she's in there though.Why would Madara be afraid?
The answer may lie in the Past.
= Low Chance.

Rikodou: Considering Madara was so shocked very possible.
But then:
Why Kabuto's words?
He hasn't told a Soul sounds as if Madara has a secret.
= Medium Chance

Chikamatsu:
We know nothing about him.Stereotypical Character we'll never learn anything about.Also why woud Madara react like he did to a Puppeteer?
= Very Low.

Sakumo:
It's a mystery why Kabuto hasn't summoned him considering his strength.
Yet his Soul might have found Peace already with his talk to Kakashi.
= Possible.

Danzo:
Madara didn't fear him in anyway when they last met so why now?
= Low

Toka:
Alongside Tobirama and Hashirama the Senju who has such massive Hype about her Genjutsu Skills.
Though seems like a stereotypical side Character + Woman = Kishi not like.

Mito:
Being the first Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi and having lived at the same era she easily could have witnessed anything of a threat for Madara especially since she was marrie to Shodai.
= Possible.

Clan Ancestor's:
Not much is known about them so can't really say anything here.
= Meh.

Uchiha's:
Fugaku:
Being murdered by Itachi who was helped by Madara seems a bit improbable.
Though due to being the Uchiha Leader he could have knowledge of something threatening:
= Possible.

Mikoto:
Hasn't shown anything apart being a Mother.
: Very Low.

Obito:
Do I need to explain?
: Low.

Kagami:
Has shown nothing to do with Madara though being a Student of Tobirama he could have some knowledge.
Especially when he lived in Era where the Uchiha planned a Rebellion.
: Low-possible.

Izuna:
Madara's brother and supposedly an even match for him.
The Man who knows everything.Easily the biggest Threat in Madara's Life when resurrected.
: High chance.

Madara himself:
Only based on his reaction and Kabuto often hinting though among things stated numerous times.
: High chance.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Well Kishi likes brining back people when we start to forget about them i.e. Konan, SSOTM, Dead Akatsuki members, so it'd likely be Izuna. I was going to say hanzo but Kabuto already summoned him.

[puppetmaster zack]

i think its going to be the sage of the sixth paths since thats the only one madra will be able to beat.
edit:sixth hundreth postttttttttttt

[EvL j3st3r]

I mostly lean toward the origional body of Madara. I still think Tobi is Madara but I don't think he's in his origional body. Something similar to Oro's technique.

[Sai root]

Izuna, I think...

[Miss Kabuto]

Well, I think either Madara's real body or Izuna.

[SilentBlade]

I lean more towards the real madara. It's not that it freaked out Tobi so much as the after thought he had. The "how much did Orochimaru tell you" kinda thing, that there was some sort of dirty secret.

[megabbaut]

Dude it had to be the 4th hokage

[EvL j3st3r]

^is that a joke?

[Sai's brother]

Here are all the people I think might be in the coffin that kabuto summoned that could be a threat to tobi or madara if he turns out to be madara?
The real Madara
Izuna
Sasuke Sarutobi
Rikudo
UnKnown Kage
Kushina? o.o

probably not

[JazzJunkie4]

The only people who could be a threat to madara that could be in that coffin are..

1. Real Madara
2. Justin Beiber
3. Chuck Norris
4. Jubei Kipagami
5. Goku

[megabbaut]

^is that a joke?

It had "four" (四, Yon) written on it so who else could it be?

[Sai's brother]

It had "four" (四, Yon) written on it so who else could it be?
Minato sealed his soul with reaper death seal. No one can get his soul....

[Vivi]

Minato sealed his soul with reaper death seal. No one can get his soul....

Exact reason why Orochimaru failed to summon him.

Hence Chapter 520 where Kabuto even stated it.

"That's why Orochimaru-sama's attempt to summon the Fourth Hokage failed...The Fourth sealed his own soul in the Belly of the Death God with the Dead Demon Seal"

Along with a Panel of his Fight against Hiruzen where he summoned the Coffin's.

Just to clear things up.

Anyhow:
Shodai to Yondaime Hokage are unavailable as they are sealed.

Though it wouldn't surprise me if Kabuto somehow manages to get past that Limitation.

Especially since he mentioned "That" Jutsu.

[Marajsky]

Well, I think either Madara's real body or Izuna.
I can't seeing being anyone else but one of these two.

[Revived Kakuzu]

Those saying Izuna, a question for you. Madara took his eyes, yes? And he carried on living, yes? And he died in battle, am I correct?
If I am, that means that he'd be ressurected as a blind man, without his Sharingan. Would he really be much use then?

[Vivi]

Those saying Izuna, a question for you. Madara took his eyes, yes? And he carried on living, yes? And he died in battle, am I correct?
If I am, that means that he'd be ressurected as a blind man, without his Sharingan. Would he really be much use then?

You actually answered your own question.:lol:

The Guy was blind and was still able to fight hence how he died in Battle.

Anyhow it doesn't even mean Izuna will fight.

Considering he is Madara's Brother there could be some big Secret he doesn't wanna get out.

[Yori]

My Final Thoughts:

I'm going to say the man behind the mask is Kagami, and the person in the coffin is Madara.

[Revived Kakuzu]

You actually answered your own question.:lol:

The Guy was blind and was still able to fight hence how he died in Battle.

Anyhow it doesn't even mean Izuna will fight.

Considering he is Madara's Brother there could be some big Secret he doesn't wanna get out.
Ah, I see what you mean. But the fact that he died does prove that he wasn't as capable. I just think that by the way Madara trembled, that it was someone strong. Also, do you really think that Kishi would go for such a... clich

[Vivi]

Ah, I see what you mean. But the fact that he died does prove that he wasn't as capable.

I just think that by the way Madara trembled, that it was someone strong. Also, do you really think that Kishi would go for such a... clich

Or just faced a rather strong opponent.
We can only speculate about that though.

Tremble = Fear.
That doesn't mean it has to be someone strong.
Fear of having his secret exposed could be a possibility as well.

Clichee?
Yeah.Nothing surprises me with Kishi anymore.

[HokageNarutoUzamaki]

No, its only the Third and the fourth that are in the reaper, if you remember when Orochimaru invaded the leaf and fought against the third, he summoned the first and second

[Vivi]

No, its only the Third and the fourth that are in the reaper, if you remember when Orochimaru invaded the leaf and fought against the third, he summoned the first and second

Uhm what?
You do know Hiruzen sealed away Shodai and Nidaime with the same Jutsu right?

[Zango]

Obvioulsy, Charlie Seen is in the coffin. Tobi couldn't handle his EPIC WINNING!

[EvL j3st3r]

Charlie Sheen....you are gone but not forgotten:cry:.....wait a minute :shock:, you're not gone!.....Hurry up and die Charlie Sheen!`#(

[Gin]

I think it's pretty obvious that it's Mukade.

[Revived Kakuzu]

Or just faced a rather strong opponent.
We can only speculate about that though.

Tremble = Fear.
That doesn't mean it has to be someone strong.
Fear of having his secret exposed could be a possibility as well.

Clichee?
Yeah.Nothing surprises me with Kishi anymore.

Oh, good point. Maybe Madara's secret is that being within a 10 metre range of bananas melts his brains out. Or something. I bet it's some lame weakness.
BUT. What do you suppose that it's someone that we don't know about? Like, Madara's dad? Too unusual?

[deidara330]

You actually answered your own question.:lol:

The Guy was blind and was still able to fight hence how he died in Battle.

Anyhow it doesn't even mean Izuna will fight.

Considering he is Madara's Brother there could be some big Secret he doesn't wanna get out.I don't recall it being said Izuna died in battle. Also, Madara asked Kabuto "Where did you get that?" and Kabuto said, "It's complicated. Don't worry, I won't tell anyone." Kabuto's initial response was to Madara's question. If Izuna had a secret, Kabuto would've been alerting Madara to the fact that he knew with the statement that "I won't tell anyone". It leads me to believe the secret is the summoning itself.Or just faced a rather strong opponent.
We can only speculate about that though.

Tremble = Fear.
That doesn't mean it has to be someone strong.
Fear of having his secret exposed could be a possibility as well.Madara actually didn't tremble. He wasn't afraid, he was shocked.

[Jinchiruuki]

Here are my theories:

1) Izuna- While Madara is more powerful than Izuna, Izuna being resurrected could possibly disapprove much of what Madara has told Sasuke. Thus making it easier for Kabuto to seize Sasuke from Madara's grasp. Think about it this way...both of them long to use Sasuke for something. Kabuto wants him for his Sharingan and Madara wants him to become the new "Pain". This would then enable Kabuto to thwart ALL of Madara's plans as he clearly doesn't have the ability (or just simply can't/won't) to do what he needs Sasuke to do.

2) Madara's "True Body"- I find this one harder to lean towards to be honest. But again, like I said above (not verbatim) knowledge is the only power anyone could have over Madara right now and he holds that power over everyone else since people know very little. So if his true body is in fact what was resurrected then it is safe to assume his spirit either took over another body or something along those lines. OR something occured during his battle against Hashirama or the 4th that is similar to how the 4th sealed the Kyuubi in Naruto. i.e Splitting his chakra in half and sealing one half within himself and the other half went somewhere. I find the latter to be semi-possible if the Kyuubi itself stated Madara had more ominous chakra than its own and we also can see his chakra is easily greater than Kisame's even in this "weakened" state.


Anyways...sorry for the long text

#1 seems the most attractive to me, as he would have potentially extremely harmful information that could completely ruin/greatly hinder Madara's plans and manipulation games. I don't think there is anyone capable of "stomping" Madara through physical means (obviously) but through knowledge and national intelligence. Meaning this would rule out the Sage, Minato etc. (On top of the fact all Hokages are Reaper Death Sealed so they are unavailable too unless Kabuto found a way around it.)

Thoughts?

EDIT: Wow I'm an idiot...totally spaced on some chapters.

[Gouldy17]

its obviously BOB MARLEY with his special ninja splif getting every1 high and putting an end to all conflict hahaha.....but seriously i have no idea who it could be possibly sum1 we have yet to see

[zerosameri]

Now:
Rin: Her Past is shrouded in Mystery.it's a low possibility she's in there though.Why would Madara be afraid?
The answer may lie in the Past.
= Low Chance.

Rikodou: Considering Madara was so shocked very possible.
But then:
Why Kabuto's words?
He hasn't told a Soul sounds as if Madara has a secret.
= Medium Chance
It's all ready been established that Kabuto can't bring him back... It would be epic if he could, though.

Chikamatsu:
We know nothing about him.Stereotypical Character we'll never learn anything about.Also why woud Madara react like he did to a Puppeteer?
= Very Low.

Sakumo:
It's a mystery why Kabuto hasn't summoned him considering his strength.
Yet his Soul might have found Peace already with his talk to Kakashi.
= Possible.

Danzo:
Madara didn't fear him in anyway when they last met so why now?
= Low
I lol'd at this.

Toka:
Alongside Tobirama and Hashirama the Senju who has such massive Hype about her Genjutsu Skills.
Though seems like a stereotypical side Character + Woman = Kishi not like.
Madara doesn't seem like the type of be afraid by a Women character. Plus like you said; Kishi girls suck.

Mito:
Being the first Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi and having lived at the same era she easily could have witnessed anything of a threat for Madara especially since she was marrie to Shodai.
= Possible.
Eh. Not likely, plus it wouldn't flip Madara out like it did. Though, I'm just guessing.

Clan Ancestor's:
Not much is known about them so can't really say anything here.
= Meh.
Nuff said. Though there is ALL ways that 1 person.

Uchiha's:
Fugaku:
Being murdered by Itachi who was helped by Madara seems a bit improbable.
Though due to being the Uchiha Leader he could have knowledge of something threatening:
= Possible.
From what we know about him... It wouldn't be him.

Mikoto:
Hasn't shown anything apart being a Mother.
: Very Low.
She has not even been shown to do a jutsu.

Obito:
Do I need to explain?
: Low.
Why even list him?

Kagami:
Has shown nothing to do with Madara though being a Student of Tobirama he could have some knowledge.
Especially when he lived in Era where the Uchiha planned a Rebellion.
: Low-possible.
Do you still think he's Kagami?

Izuna:
Madara's brother and supposedly an even match for him.
The Man who knows everything.Easily the biggest Threat in Madara's Life when resurrected.
: High chance.
I don't think Madara would be afraid of his own brother.I mean it was some Madara does not want anyone to know about. If it was him, he'll be very pissed but that's about it.

Madara himself:
Only based on his reaction and Kabuto often hinting though among things stated numerous times.
: High chance.
From these options. This seems like the most likely. Tough Madara did say he's not in his original body ("Shell of my former self")
Green.

[JazzJunkie4]

Green.

When madara says he's a shell of his former self it doesn't mean he is in a brand new body. You might speculate he could mean that I guess (it's stretching it), but why say it like that if he meant to say he is in a new body. I think he meant what he said, he is in fact a shell of his former self in the sense that he has lost abilities, certain skills, etc. However you can't say "madara said he is not in his old body" or something like that just from that statement.

[ByakuganAlex]

The only one who can solo all ninja. conquer all lands. and even BEAT CHUCK NORRIS. BRUCE LEE!!!!

[JazzJunkie4]

The only one who can solo all ninja. conquer all lands. and even BEAT CHUCK NORRIS. BRUCE LEE!!!!

of course, how could I have forgotten!

[Kunoichi]

I keep hoping that it vears off in a totally different direction. I'd rather have this secret person, whoever they may be, be an actual secret. Not only to the ninja world but to the reader as well.

I mean how cool would it be to find out that Kabuto's got Madara's son in the coffin?

[Kreegah!!!]

Jerry Lewis.

[kalmeast]

It could be anyone deceased, but there's things to consider:
1 - Kabuto said "Don't worry, I won't tell anyone about this"; Why would Kabuto telling someone about who he summoned be a problem for Madara?
2 - Madara said "If I fight you now, I will only weaken myself"; He implies he would still win, so who would it be that could scare him, but he could still beat?
3 - As soon as Kabuto summons him, Madara says "Th, That's...!!" Which should mean he recognized the person Kabuto summoned.

Ok... lets see...

Rikoudo is outta question, + that's not the kind of reaction we'd get from Madara had it been the Sennin...

For those who say it could be Madara's original body, u have to enlighten me on that... that's not what edo tensei does... it doens't summon original bodies (if we stick to facts)... who's soul would be in that for the body to stand? Madara? (unless we reject the fact that tobi is Madara then this cant be) that'd just be a weak conjecture to satiate a sentimental argument.

Izuna - This is most probable since it also satisfies all of Deidara330's conditions.

LSS, This is what i am thinking if this is truely Izuna.

1 - Madara has one sharingan and 1 rennigan right? so he must have his other sharingan and the other rennigan reserved... I think this is reserved for Izuna... What Madara really wanted from Pain was to raise his younger brother because he regrets not achieving the goal of protecting Uchihas after Izuna sacrifices his eyes for him... In order to compensate this and atone for his own sins against his brother, he wants to rule with Izuna again. So Izuna would posses the reserved EMS and Rinnegan (This is his other secret) Plus Izuna is the only person Madara can really trust.

- Perhaps Kabuto realizes this and implies that Madara is incapable of doing all this "ruling the shinobi world" by himself.

If this is the case then,

2 - Madara knows that as long as Kabuto has resurrected Izuna using Edo Tensei, there's no way he can resurrect him even with the rennigan because his soul wouldn't be available for that... This forces Madara to join forces with Kabuto. This may be why Madara want to know how to stop edo tensei so he could take Kabuto out... but rightnow, giving the facts of ET, he cant.

I'd leave it at that for someone to build on if it's plausible or tear apart if need.


* Has Anyone noticed something about "Madara" when he attacked konoha with kuubi... watch his arms from his fight with Minato... his arms are extremely Youthful... why? strange isn't it? (last pg of chp 500)