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Cyl
01-04-2011, 10:10 PM
Bloodlusted.

Chunin exams preliminary place.

Nyruss
01-04-2011, 11:32 PM
Shadow Clone feint ===> Rasengan to the face.

gama-sennin
01-05-2011, 04:56 AM
^^ DM? 0.o

Kono does what he did on page 11 of chapter 347...Ino suffers from huge nosebleed and dies instantly....

Phoenix Wright
01-05-2011, 06:31 AM
^^ Gama-senin? 0.o http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2z7exox.png
Anyway what DM said, Bunshin Feint=Good game Ino.
Same for what you said, Gama
http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

THE X UCHIHA
01-05-2011, 08:28 AM
Shadow Clones + Rasengan = Ino gets .....

Phoenix Wright
01-05-2011, 08:45 AM
UCHIHA
Y U NO COMBO

On topic- Glad we all agree here.

THE X UCHIHA
01-05-2011, 09:03 AM
ive no time , it's college Phoenix.

Lady Tsunade
01-05-2011, 09:07 AM
Ino makes normal bunshins to counter Konohamarus Kage bunshins. He isn't intelligent enough to work out they're not the real thing, particulary not when he's bloodlusted.

Neither have shown any good amount of taijutsu, Ino countered Pre Sakuras basic strikes, and tanked one of them too - which was enough to send her flying backwards. Any taijutsu Konohamaru throws won't do much more, especially since Inos taijutsu has bound to have went up at least somewhat more since Part I, she did go up a rank after all. Konohamarus puny rasengan was enough to knock Naraka Path out, but he was only able to hit Naraka because it was looking the opposite direction.

Even then, the rasengan only knocked it out for a short while - Ino has healing jutsu to somewhat recover from the damage, she could potentially survive the attack. Besides that, Ino has smarts and is quite good at trickery, even when fighting smart opponents like Sakura.

All Konohamaru has is a few Kage Bunshins, a rasengan and basic academy jutsu, Kage Bunshins waste chakra very quickly, so Konohmaru isn't making too many. Ino has good intelligence, healing, somewhat better taijutsu, Mind Transfer and Hair Trap - along with her own basic academy skills, also - with precise chakra control she can last longer and use more jutsu. She has this in the bag.

Nyruss
01-05-2011, 09:54 AM
Ino makes normal clones. Konohamaru keeps targeting the one he's been targeting, who has wasted time just standing there and using a jutsu instead of trying to dodge. She gets hit by Rasengan. She dies.

Rasengan is uniform. Its effects are the same regardless of who uses it, with only the size and type of chakra used affecting its power, meaning of course that it's just as powerful when Konohamaru uses it as when Naruto does, Naruto's numerous variations notwithstanding.

The idea that Ino has the ability to survive an attack based entirely on the fact that a MASSIVELY superior Path of Pain could is utterly ridiculous, as is the idea that her limited healing abilities would help her in this situation. If there's one thing that Tsunade can do right(and there is only one thing she can do right), it's healing and Ino is not Tsunade.

Sakura never used any sort of intelligence when fighting Ino, she only even won due to plot.

Whatever Konohamaru lacks in power, he more than makes up for with the fact that his opponent is even weaker than Tsunade is. The odds of him losing are miniscule.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Where Tsunade or her satellites are concerned, there will you find Team Tsunade to wank them.

Kazumi Saitama
01-05-2011, 10:16 AM
Haha. The Tsunade bashing has gotten ridiculous here.

Anyway, Konohamaru is clearly less intelligent than Ino is. Ino is a chunin and a medical ninja. Thus far, it is evident that a medical ninja must possess a certain level of superior intelligence verses normal ninja. Not all, but most. This being said, I highly doubt Konohamaru is hitting any moving target with the Rasengan. He did manage to hit the Naraka Path, but he was clearly standing still. It is also safe to assume that Konohamaru has not fully mastered the Rasengan.

In the battle against Sakura, Ino did display some relatively good taijutsu, not great, but good. Unlike Ino, Konohamaru would try a direct attack, blunt and straight forward as exhibited several times throughout the series. Konohamaru can create Shadow Clones, while Ino has only shown the ability to make normal clones. Nonetheless, Ino can create clones to distract Konohamaru and knowing him, he will get confused. Hell, even a skilled ninja would get slightly confused when you have three identical targets dashing around in front of you. So, Konohamaru actually detecting the real Ino is less than likely.

With some healing abilities, superior intelligence and possibly superior taijutsu, I think Ino can take this. The only way I see Konohamaru defeating Ino is if he traps her, which I doubt since I doubt he can outsmart her.

Nyruss
01-05-2011, 10:43 AM
Alot of assumptions going on there.

I think I'll throw caution to the wind and defy my own nature. Though obvious as the day is long that Ino can't win, I won't bother dragging out a thread for fifty pages trying to convince Team Tsunade that their wank is wrong. I abstain.

Lady Tsunade
01-05-2011, 12:44 PM
Ino makes normal clones. Konohamaru keeps targeting the one he's been targeting, who has wasted time just standing there and using a jutsu instead of trying to dodge. She gets his by Rasengan. She dies.

Rasengan is uniform. Its effects are the same regardless of who uses it, with only the size and type of chakra used affecting its power, meaning of course that it's just as powerful when Konohamaru uses it as when Naruto does, Naruto's numerous variations notwithstanding.

The idea that Ino has the ability to survive an attack based entirely on the fact that a MASSIVELY superior Path of Pain could is utterly ridiculous, as is the idea that her limited healing abilities would help her in this situation. If there's one thing that Tsunade can do right, it's healing herself and Ino is not Tsunade.

Sakura never used any sort of intelligence when fighting Ino, she only even won due to plot.

Whatever Konohamaru lacks in power, he more than makes up for with the fact that his opponent is even weaker than Tsunade is. The odds of him losing are miniscule.

With what? Kunai and shuriken? Because Ino can dodge those hands down, or stop them with her own. She did so with Sakura in part 1, and any half decent ninja could doge a kunai coming a them head on, and at 50 metres, in this case. Since when do you have to stand still to use Bunshin? Sakura ran while making handseals to create Bunshins. Unless you're saying Part II Ino can't make handseals while moving? And even if she did have to stand still, Konohamaru can't insta travel the distance and hit her with a jutsu which isn't even that fast. She's going to have a loot of time to see it coming.

Power depends on the chakra used, how much experience you've had with using it, and the size. Pre Naruto when first learning Rasengan could barely even smash a tree with rasengan. Of course, when used in a normal size and with more experience, it was able to produce a large blast able to make a large hole in a boulder. Stronger than Minatos - which failed to make a blast, and did minor damage to area iirc. SM Naruto and Jiraiya can create huge rasengans which are able to harm even the Kyuubi if used enough. So yes, you're right. But no - Konohamarus rasengan<<<<<Narutos. Failed to make a blast, did little damage to surrounding area, didn't inflict any long term damage to Naraka Path, was tiny, and required a clone to help him hold it. Something Naruto only needs to do in base when using Odama Rasengan. Hell, if Konohamaru was that inexperienced with it, then Naraka being knocked out with it is a poor feat on his part more than anything. Ino and Sakura exchanged several blows, and were able to fight for a whole 10 minutes according to Hayate. And that was Part I. Inos healing is at least basic, and with that energy, wouldn't be surprised if she did survive.

Thats a bit of an assumption. Assuming Naraka Path is far superior to Ino based solely on the fact that its a Path of Pein is stupid. Especially since ranks don't always mean everything ,we know Naraka was not the combat type anyway, hence why Pein rarely used it for fighting. His feats were being able to steal people souls by grabbing them to gain information, healing other Paths and I believe he managed to run away from rasenshuriken and jump upwards whenever it began to expand. However, it was being thrown at a huge distance, and he had a long time to react to it. He certainly didn't seem like he was moving particulary fast either. Inos medical abilities are limited, but do note she was able to heal the base damage done to Narutos arm from Rasenshuriken which>>>>>>>>>Konohamarus rasengan. The same technique which Tsunade noted to cause extortionate amounts of damage to his arm.

Instantly recognising Inos Mind Transfer and recalling all of its advantages and disadvantages, as well using a bunshin trick to land a hit on Ino. Good enough intelligence feats, furthermore - Ino was able to capture Sakura using Hair Trap by tricking her into thinking she was cutting her hair off because she was angry, which was something Ino would've been likely to do IC out of battle. Ino took advantage of that to make her jutsu a success.

Yeh, okay :L

Haha. The Tsunade bashing has gotten ridiculous here.

Anyway, Konohamaru is clearly less intelligent than Ino is. Ino is a chunin and a medical ninja. Thus far, it is evident that a medical ninja must possess a certain level of superior intelligence verses normal ninja. Not all, but most. This being said, I highly doubt Konohamaru is hitting any moving target with the Rasengan. He did manage to hit the Naraka Path, but he was clearly standing still. It is also safe to assume that Konohamaru has not fully mastered the Rasengan.

In the battle against Sakura, Ino did display some relatively good taijutsu, not great, but good. Unlike Ino, Konohamaru would try a direct attack, blunt and straight forward as exhibited several times throughout the series. Konohamaru can create Shadow Clones, while Ino has only shown the ability to make normal clones. Nonetheless, Ino can create clones to distract Konohamaru and knowing him, he will get confused. Hell, even a skilled ninja would get slightly confused when you have three identical targets dashing around in front of you. So, Konohamaru actually detecting the real Ino is less than likely.

With some healing abilities, superior intelligence and possibly superior taijutsu, I think Ino can take this. The only way I see Konohamaru defeating Ino is if he traps her, which I doubt since I doubt he can outsmart her.

Ikr? Thats why I'm here ;]

Agree entirely! Also, visit the BG more often, you'd do well :]

clan117
01-05-2011, 12:51 PM
i am a fan of both of these characters and even though i am happy konohamaru could beat that version of pain i do wish he had different abillites. That being said i would like to think ino, a chunin, could beat konohamaru, a genin, in a fight. i know that inos mind transfer jutsu is good but maybe not in this fight, her medical justsu will definitly come in handy and she does have alright tai jutsu, and chakara control is improving. Also, we havent seen her fight in a while so i think she has improved-hopefully haha. anyway i think konohamaru is strong but ino should be able to win with her general stats including intellegence.
thank you.

mikeiskewl922
01-05-2011, 01:06 PM
Ino takes this.
The only reason that Konohamaru was able to fake out the Pein Path was because he was close-range, holding down Konohamaru. Ino isn't a close-range fighter, besides some basic Taijutsu.
They are at least equal in that though.
While Konhamaru is racing to attack Ino, she is setting uip her Rope Trap and then Kono would most likely run straight into it like Sakura did.
Then she uses Mind Tansfer and blows Kono to bits using a paper bomb.

To say Sakura wasn't smart during her fight at the Chunin exams is extremaly far-fetched. Sakura knew what to do with her chakra, by sending it to her feet and making clones. She also used stradgey if i remember correctly.
Ino, was partially able to tell apart the clones that Sakura summoned. She was also able to trick Sakura and trap her using only her hair and chakra.
And to both of them, after running low on chakra and energy, they were still able to get up and run, and fast at that, and throw a straight punch knocking each other out. Oh, and they were able to fight for 10 minutes staright, so Konohamaru's stamna woud run out WAY before Ino's would.

Wind Style Naruto
01-05-2011, 01:34 PM
People supporting Ino prove a point your just wanking Konohamaru.

tyrell4life194
01-05-2011, 01:52 PM
With what? Kunai and shuriken? Because Ino can dodge those hands down, or stop them with her own. She did so with Sakura in part 1, and any half decent ninja could doge a kunai coming a them head on, and at 50 metres, in this case. Since when do you have to stand still to use Bunshin? Sakura ran while making handseals to create Bunshins. Unless you're saying Part II Ino can't make handseals while moving? And even if she did have to stand still, Konohamaru can't insta travel the distance and hit her with a jutsu which isn't even that fast. She's going to have a loot of time to see it coming.
While Ino has shown impressive reaction speed, it depends on the muscle mass a person has. It also depends on the Force a person applies to an object. In Konohomaru's case, he adds Force onto his Kunai. However, due to only being a Genin, and due to having no experience, it's doubtful that Konohomaru has the strength, or the muscle mass, necessary to surprise Ino with his Kunai and Shuriken.
Power depends on the chakra used, how much experience you've had with using it, and the size. Pre Naruto when first learning Rasengan could barely even smash a tree with rasengan. Of course, when used in a normal size and with more experience, it was able to produce a large blast able to make a large hole in a boulder. Stronger than Minatos - which failed to make a blast, and did minor damage to area iirc. SM Naruto and Jiraiya can create huge rasengans which are able to harm even the Kyuubi if used enough. So yes, you're right. But no - Konohamarus rasengan<<<<<Narutos. Failed to make a blast, did little damage to surrounding area, didn't inflict any long term damage to Naraka Path, was tiny, and required a clone to help him hold it. Something Naruto only needs to do in base when using Odama Rasengan. Hell, if Konohamaru was that inexperienced with it, then Naraka being knocked out with it is a poor feat on his part more than anything. Ino and Sakura exchanged several blows, and were able to fight for a whole 10 minutes according to Hayate. And that was Part I. Inos healing is at least basic, and with that energy, wouldn't be surprised if she did survive.
Of course. A Ninjutsu's Power depends on the chakra reserves, how much chakra the person adds into the Ninjutsu, experience, size, and Force. As we all know, Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). The fastest and most experienced of Shinobi and Kunoichi may most likely have the strongest Force when it comes to close range assassination Techniques. Some might have experience, but not the speed, whearas others might have speed, but not the experience. Also, chakra control play a role in Ninjutsu and Taijutsu also. While a Shinobi or a Kunoichi may have massive chakra reserves, their chakra control are far from perfect. Naruto's chakra controls are awful, because he has massive chakra reserves. Overall, it depends on the experience, the Force, the chakra control, the chakra reserves, the size, and how much chakra you add into the Ninjutsu.
Thats a bit of an assumption. Assuming Naraka Path is far superior to Ino based solely on the fact that its a Path of Pein is stupid. Especially since ranks don't always mean everything ,we know Naraka was not the combat type anyway, hence why Pein rarely used it for fighting. His feats were being able to steal people souls by grabbing them to gain information, healing other Paths and I believe he managed to run away from rasenshuriken and jump upwards whenever it began to expand. However, it was being thrown at a huge distance, and he had a long time to react to it. He certainly didn't seem like he was moving particulary fast either. Inos medical abilities are limited, but do note she was able to heal the base damage done to Narutos arm from Rasenshuriken which>>>>>>>>>Konohamarus rasengan. The same technique which Tsunade noted to cause extortionate amounts of damage to his arm.

Instantly recognising Inos Mind Transfer and recalling all of its advantages and disadvantages, as well using a bunshin trick to land a hit on Ino. Good enough intelligence feats, furthermore - Ino was able to capture Sakura using Hair Trap by tricking her into thinking she was cutting her hair off because she was angry, which was something Ino would've been likely to do IC out of battle. Ino took advantage of that to make her jutsu a success.

Yeh, okay :L



Ikr? Thats why I'm here ;]

Agree entirely! Also, visit the BG more often, you'd do well :]
In green.

mikeiskewl922
01-05-2011, 02:10 PM
I actually heard some specutltion that Ino almost actually semi-reacted to Human Path. Hold on, i quoted it somewhere.

During the part where Human Path jumped in the middle of her Shizune, Inoichi, ad that Anbu, Human Path jumped in the middle. No on saw or heard him correct? No, Ino showed that '!?' sign. And the Anbu guy was the only othr one to react. Then when he droppped that Flash Bomb, Inoichi the Anbu AND Ino were smart enouugh to jump out of the smoke and away from his grasp. Unlike Shizune, wh sat there and got captured. Altohugh the attack was focused on Shizune, Ino was still quick enough to get out of the smoke and away from harm.
This will sound far-fetched, but she might be on a level with her dad and that Anbu for her movemets to be at the same time as theirs!

That's what i heard.^
And when i checked it, it actually made a LITTLE bit of sense...

Chapter and Page: Ch. 428; Pg. 15

Kuromaki
01-05-2011, 05:56 PM
Much as I would like to think Ino wins, she probably can't unless she manages to get Konohamaru in a hair trap.

Other than that though, it's all about the Rasengan and Shadow Clone feints.

mikeiskewl922
01-05-2011, 06:29 PM
Kuro, read my post above you. Does it make any sense?

Oh and isn't the distance far aaway. Konohamaru would have to close the distance first. Ino could easily set up a trap before he reachs her, and he's not vwery smart, or would most likely fall into the trap trying to get to Ino.

tyrell4life194
01-05-2011, 06:33 PM
Also, since the gap between Ino and Konohomaru is 50 meters, there is no guarantee that Konohomaru is fast enough to surprise Ino with a Rasengan. We must determine his speed first before we go assuming things.

Kuromaki
01-05-2011, 06:40 PM
Kuro, read my post above you. Does it make any sense?

Oh and isn't the distance far aaway. Konohamaru would have to close the distance first. Ino could easily set up a trap before he reachs her, and he's not vwery smart, or would most likely fall into the trap trying to get to Ino.
Seeing Human Path... doesn't count for much. Though I guess getting out of the smoke is a decent feat for her, and she did avoid a blast from Kakuzu, if you go back and reread the Hidan & Kakuzu fight.

tyrell4life194
01-05-2011, 06:44 PM
Precisely. But, wasn't she out of the range of Kakuzu's blast? Or am I just reading the Manga incorrectly?

TheBlackChidori
01-06-2011, 07:21 AM
Konohamaru learned the Rasengan... That puts him on the level of Jiraiya, Naruto, and Minato in terms of potential.

The boy was smart enough to trick and nearly disable a Path of Pain.

The idea of Ino healing herself from a Rasengan is.... not plausible. Even Kabuto couldn't do it fully, and he has regenerative powers AND med jutsu.

Lady Tsunade
01-06-2011, 09:17 AM
Konohamaru learned the Rasengan... That puts him on the level of Jiraiya, Naruto, and Minato in terms of potential.

The boy was smart enough to trick and nearly disable a Path of Pain.

The idea of Ino healing herself from a Rasengan is.... not plausible. Even Kabuto couldn't do it fully, and he has regenerative powers AND med jutsu.

Yes. And Sakura learned from Tsunade, so she has the potential to get to her level. As does Shizune. And Anko has the potential to reach Orochimarus level going by that theory. If Konohamaru was Jonin level and had the hype of being Sarutobis grandson and being taught by Naruto somewhat - I have no doubt his potential feats would be exellent, however he's an inexperienced Genin with few feats, and nowhere near Jiraiya, Minato or Narutos level atm.

Naraka was an idiot. That wasn't really impressive. The shadow clone poofed away in his hand, and he had plenty of time to work out Konohamaru was in a different location. But instead he continued to stare at the wall while Konohamaru made Kage Bunshins to form rasengan in his hand and for him to charge forwards at Naraka with it. Naraka also managed to dodge RS[despite being at a good distance] so I'm sure he could've avoided the miniscule rasengan if he had been looking at the attack diretctly.

She healed the base damage from Narutos RS when he used it on Kakuzu. I'm quite sure she can heal back from Konohamarus basic rasengan without being knocked out. Narutos rasengan>>>>>Konohamarus. It managed to make a giant white blast capable of putting a huge hole in a boulder. Konohamarus requires two clones to hold it, it was smaller , failed to make a blast and did very minor damage to the wall in which Naraka was slammed into iirc. Its a lot weaker.

TheBlackChidori
01-06-2011, 09:33 AM
Yes. And Sakura learned from Tsunade, so she has the potential to get to her level. As does Shizune. And Anko has the potential to reach Orochimarus level going by that theory. If Konohamaru was Jonin level and had the hype of being Sarutobis grandson and being taught by Naruto somewhat - I have no doubt his potential feats would be exellent, however he's an inexperienced Genin with few feats, and nowhere near Jiraiya, Minato or Narutos level atm.

Naraka was an idiot. That wasn't really impressive. The shadow clone poofed away in his hand, and he had plenty of time to work out Konohamaru was in a different location. But instead he continued to stare at the wall while Konohamaru made Kage Bunshins to form rasengan in his hand and for him to charge forwards at Naraka with it. Naraka also managed to dodge RS[despite being at a good distance] so I'm sure he could've avoided the miniscule rasengan if he had been looking at the attack diretctly.

She healed the base damage from Narutos RS when he used it on Kakuzu. I'm quite sure she can heal back from Konohamarus basic rasengan without being knocked out. Narutos rasengan>>>>>Konohamarus. It managed to make a giant white blast capable of putting a huge hole in a boulder. Konohamarus requires two clones to hold it, it was smaller , failed to make a blast and did very minor damage to the wall in which Naraka was slammed into iirc. Its a lot weaker.

Sakura has feats under her belt. Medical prowess, Super strength, Akatsuki combat. What has Ino shown really since the Chunin Exams?

Lady Tsunade
01-06-2011, 10:04 AM
Sakura has feats under her belt. Medical prowess, Super strength, Akatsuki combat. What has Ino shown really since the Chunin Exams?

Healing abilities, she took over a bird with Mind Transfer fairly quickly, she's shown decent reaction feats and was intelligent enough to help Shizune and Inoichi with uncovering Peins abilities. She can also telepathicly comminicate with any of her clan members. Her feats have typically more been beneficial to her spying skills rather than offence. But yes, her offensive feats pale in comparison to Sakuras.

mikeiskewl922
01-06-2011, 12:51 PM
I still don't see any way Konohamaru could win this. He is 50 meters away from Ino, who is way more long-ranged than he is. For all we know, to trick him she could take over a hawk or another animal, give an explosive paper before she takes it over, finds him and release's before it blows up.
And with my post from before, she actually has some decent reaction speed, considering that no one really proved me wrong.

tyrell4life194
01-06-2011, 01:34 PM
I believe Ino will attempt to use her Mind Transer Technique, while being bloodlusted. However, if she doesn't aim correctly at Konohomaru, she won't be able to return into her body for a few minutes. More so, if she uses this Technique, her body will remain unprotected, and vulnerable from enemy attacks.

Also, Konohomaru's potential is at the same as Naruto, Jiraiya, and Minato (as stated by TBC), when it comes to learning the Rasengan.

Before I come to my conclusion, Lady Tsunade, has Ino shown any feats of EVER tanking an A-Ranked Technique? I want you to give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number please.

mikeiskewl922
01-06-2011, 01:46 PM
Possibly, but Ino would most likely know the side effects, judging from how she used it aganst Sakura. She coul also do a similar thing, like fake out Kono by pretending to use Mid Transfer, then used a Chakra Rope Trap and he would have to get close to kill hr and being bloodlusted he would walk into the trap, like Sakura did and she could easily kill him from there.
And Sakura would also have been a LOT smartwer then Konohamaru at that time so it's even more likely that he would fall for one of Ino's traps.

tyrell4life194
01-06-2011, 02:08 PM
Possibly=/=yes. Unless you have Manga Chapters and Page Numbers of Ino tanking ANY A-Ranked Jutsus, then drop it.

Konohomaru was able to trick Naraka Path into thinking he killed the real Konohomaru. Turned out, the real Konohomaru used his Shadow Clone and Rasengan to impale Naraka. This proves that Konohomaru has the strategy to trick Ino into thinking she has killed the real Konohomaru.

Lady Tsunade
01-06-2011, 02:46 PM
I believe Ino will attempt to use her Mind Transer Technique, while being bloodlusted. However, if she doesn't aim correctly at Konohomaru, she won't be able to return into her body for a few minutes. More so, if she uses this Technique, her body will remain unprotected, and vulnerable from enemy attacks.

Also, Konohomaru's potential is at the same as Naruto, Jiraiya, and Minato (as stated by TBC), when it comes to learning the Rasengan.

Before I come to my conclusion, Lady Tsunade, has Ino shown any feats of EVER tanking an A-Ranked Technique? I want you to give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number please.

The Rank is its difficulty to learn not its power. If that were the case Painful Sky Leg would be A-S Rank instead of C Rank since it makes a giant crater in the ground upon making contact with it. And all of the Konoha Jonin would have immense talent for genjutsu, as they all escaped an A Ranked genjutsu from Kabuto. Konohamarus A Ranked technique kinda sucks when he uses it, so unless you give me proof that the damage it causes is anywhere near as great as the damage which was dealt to Narutos arm from Rasenshuriken which>>>>Konohamarus rasengan, which Ino healed, then I don't believe I'll be needing to provide a manga reference.

tyrell4life194
01-06-2011, 03:01 PM
The Rank is its difficulty to learn not its power.
The Rank depends on these following statements:
1. Chakra Control
2. Chakra Reserves
3. Experience
4. Power (only for offensive and assassination techniques)
5. Difficulty (as you have stated)
If that were the case Painful Sky Leg would be A-S Rank instead of C Rank since it makes a giant crater in the ground upon making contact with it.
You see, when it comes to offensive techniques, the Rank depends on power, as well as the others listed above. When it comes to defensive techniques, the Rank depends on tanking ability, as well as the others listed above. It depends on what type of ability the Technique has. Whether it's offensive, defensive, or both, it depends on the ability and the rank of the Technique.
And all of the Konoha Jonin would have immense talent for genjutsu, as they all escaped an A Ranked genjutsu from Kabuto.
You're misreading my comments completely Lady Tsunade. Stop assuming things, without analyzing the situation.
Konohamarus A Ranked technique kinda sucks when he uses it,
Your opinion=/=fact.
so unless you give me proof that the damage it causes is anywhere near as great as the damage
You saw what Konohomaru did to Naraka right? Also, it depends on the Force the user of the Technique applies onto the Technique. Unless you give me proof that Ino can survive a Rasengan to the face, then drop it.
which was dealt to Narutos arm from Rasenshuriken which>>>>Konohamarus rasengan,
Never said anything about Rasenshuriken.
which Ino healed, then I don't believe I'll be needing to provide a manga reference.
That's great. Ino healed Naruto's arm, which only suffered minimal damage to it, while the Rasengan causes major internal damage to the body, by destroying organs, bones, and muscle tissue.

Lady Tsunade
01-06-2011, 03:32 PM
[COLOR=yellowgreen]The Rank depends on these following statements:
1. Chakra Control
2. Chakra Reserves
3. Experience
4. Power (only for offensive and assassination techniques)
5. Difficulty (as you have stated)

1] Which Konohamaru has never shown any of
2] Which Konohamaru has shown little of
3] Which Konohamaru has little of [ and particulary little with using the jutsu]
4] Able to smash Naraka against a wall..and knock him out for a while
5. A

You see, when it comes to offensive techniques, the Rank depends on power, as well as the others listed above. When it comes to defensive techniques, the Rank depends on tanking ability, as well as the others listed above. It depends on what type of ability the Technique has. Whether it's offensive, defensive, or both, it depends on the ability and the rank of the Technique.

True, more or less. But not in this case, since Konohamaru hasn't actually learned hoe to use the jutsu properly. Konohamarus rasengan is much much weaker than Narutos. Yet they're both considered A Rank difficulty to learn, as we saw when Naruto was trying to learn it. Only difference was Narutos could level out huge chunk of a boulder and nearly kill Kabuto, and Konohamaru could smash a part of a wall by throwing Naraka path into it, just knocking him out for a short while, and him not recieving any after damage.

You're misreading my comments completely Lady Tsunade. Stop assuming things, without analyzing the situation.


Wut? Heres some situation analysis for ya. Rasenshuriken is much much much stronger than Konohamarus tiny rasengan which he hasn't mastered yet, and is not anywhere near A rank in terms of power. Ino managed to heal the damage dealt to Narutos arm, the same one which Tsunade noted to inflict damage on the cellular level, and would potentially prevent Naruto from using that arm if he continued using the jutsu. Now, compare that, with the little jutsu used by Konohamaru which pushed Naraka into a wall with some force and knocked him out. Now, tell me - how is Ino, who healed someone with injuries far greater than Konos basic rasengan inflicts, not going to recover from that damage? Furthermore, they're BL. Which means Kage Bunshin off the bat for Kono, and you realise how much chakra Kage Bunshin use don't you? Hiruzen in his old age couldn't even perform many, because of its huge chakra usage, now - how can you possibly assume Konohamaru, who needs the bunshins for his rasengan, and has little chakra feats, will be able to use many? Finally, they start at 50 metres, Inos jutsu travels a distance, Konos doesn't. His rasengan is a linear charge forwards where he pushed his arms fowards to throw his attack, you really think he can side step a mind transfer while charging? Ino took control of a moving target, a bird - iirc, shouldn't be any trouble taking control of Kono.

Your opinion=/=fact.

In this case, my opinion = fact. When you compare his rasengan to Narutos, Jiraiyas etc. it sucked. It has yet to knock anyone out without having extra damage from smashing someone into a wall, and Naraka had no tanking feats to start with, or really any particulary impressive feats at all. So knocking out Naraka path really isn't that great a feat.

You saw what Konohomaru did to Naraka right? Also, it depends on the Force the user of the Technique applies onto the Technique. Unless you give me proof that Ino can survive a Rasengan to the face, then drop it.

Yep. Caused damage, smashed him into a wall to cause more damage, knocked him out for a while, caused no long term effects, do I seem impressed? Did you see what RS did to Narutos arm? Attacked it on the cellular level? Put him into a hospital bed. Yeh, Ino healed that damage

Never said anything about Rasenshuriken.

And? Its called bringing up my own point, which you've failed to counter, btw. Rasengan being A Ranked doesn't make Konohamarus one epicly awesome, so - sing a new song.

That's great. Ino healed Naruto's arm, which only suffered minimal damage to it, while the Rasengan causes major internal damage to the body, by destroying organs, bones, and muscle tissue.

Lolwut? Attacked on the cellular level? Caused critical damage? Could remove the use of his arm if used any more? The damage he recieved from his jutsu was minimal in comparison to the damage it dealt to Kakuzu, but that doesn't mean it didn't inflict that much damage to him, he still recieved major damage. Apparently Konohamarus doesn't, not to any great extent anyway. And he has no wall to smash Ino into either, so its damage is reduced further.

tyrell4life194
01-06-2011, 05:10 PM
1] Which Konohamaru has never shown any of
Konohomaru doesn't have great chakra control, but his chakra control is well enough for him to create the Rasengan with the use of a Shadow Clone. Remember; the Jutsu is an A-Rank Technique. In other words, only the most experienced Shinobi and Kunoichi can learn a Technique of such high rank. It's not that Konohomaru doesn't have chakra control at all. It's just that he doesn't have enough chakra control, in order to form the Rasengan with one hand. The same thing goes for Naruto.
2] Which Konohamaru has shown little of
Incorrect. The Rasengan creates the user's Transformation's Chakra to the highest possible point, and adds their nature affinity into the mix. In other words, the user molds a high density of chakra into their plam, and addding their nature affinity into the mix. This Technique requires a lot of chakra to do, due to the chakra control, the power, and the rank of the Technique.
3] Which Konohamaru has little of [ and particulary little with using the jutsu]
He's only a Genin you know.
4] Able to smash Naraka against a wall..and knock him out for a while
Has Ino ever shown that capability of smashing someone onto a wall?
5. A
-.-


True, more or less. But not in this case, since Konohamaru hasn't actually learned hoe to use the jutsu properly.
We know. It's due to the Rank of the Technique, as well as how much chakra control the Technique requires.
Konohamarus rasengan is much much weaker than Narutos.
Ok.
Yet they're both considered A Rank difficulty to learn, as we saw when Naruto was trying to learn it.
The reason why Naruto's Rasengan>Konohomaru's Rasengan is because of the Force he applies onto the Technique, the chakra control he has, the experience, and his chakra reserves. All of these keys play a role of completing a high ranked Technique with little to no difficulty.

Only difference was Narutos could level out huge chunk of a boulder and nearly kill Kabuto,
Reason above.
and Konohamaru could smash a part of a wall by throwing Naraka path into it, just knocking him out for a short while, and him not recieving any after damage.
Reason above.



Wut? Heres some situation analysis for ya.
Enlighten me.
Rasenshuriken is much much much stronger than Konohamarus tiny rasengan which he hasn't mastered yet,
Your point?
and is not anywhere near A rank in terms of power.
Actually it is. Let me dumb it down for ya, since you've failed to understand the concept of the Rasengan. The Rasengan inflicts internal damage onto the body, destroying bones, organs, and muscle tissue. Due to this, it tends to launch the victim backward after being hit by the Technique. Unless you show me CONCRETE PROOF that Ino has TANKED an A-RANKED TECHNIQUE, then drop it.
Ino managed to heal the damage dealt to Narutos arm, the same one which Tsunade noted to inflict damage on the cellular level,
That's great. The only damage Naruto suffered was a broken arm. That's it. A Rasengan causes INTERNAL DAMAGE TO THE BODY, destroying organs, bones, and muscle tissue. Unless you prove to me that Ino can heal such devestating injuries to the body, then your claim remains invalid.
and would potentially prevent Naruto from using that arm if he continued using the jutsu.
If he frequently uses the Technique. Try again.
Now, compare that, with the little jutsu used by Konohamaru which pushed Naraka into a wall with some force and knocked him out.
The same thing is going to happen to Ino, but much worse. She isn't going to get knocked out. She's going to die.
Now, tell me - how is Ino, who healed someone with injuries far greater than Konos basic rasengan inflicts, not going to recover from that damage?
Easily. Naruto only suffered a broken arm. A Rasengan does much more internal damage to the body, than what Naruto has suffered, after he suffered backlash from the Rasenshuriken. More so, Ino has shown NO TANKING FEATS of EVER tanking an A-Ranked Technique. Unless you show me proof from the Manga that she has, then your claim is invalid miss.
Furthermore, they're BL. Which means Kage Bunshin off the bat for Kono, and you realise how much chakra Kage Bunshin use don't you?
There is no guarantee that Konohomaru will spam a dozen or so Shadow Clones, just to overwhelm Ino. He will most likely use the Shadow Clones as destraction, and for him to mold the chakra into his hand, in order to perform the Rasengan. It's called simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.
Hiruzen in his old age couldn't even perform many, because of its huge chakra usage, now - how can you possibly assume Konohamaru, who needs the bunshins for his rasengan, and has little chakra feats, will be able to use many?
You know nothing about the Rasengan. I guess I will have to explain a few things to you. The Rasengan is an A-Ranked Technique created by the 4th Hokage (Minato Namikaze). Basically, the Technique was made to take the user's Transformation's Chakra to the highest possible point, and combine it with the user's nature affinity. In other words, the Rasengan is composed of high density chakra, which is mixed with a user's nature affinity. More so, it requires chakra control, in order to complete the Technique. Konohomaru only has the regular Rasengan completed. Not only that, but it requires a lot of chakra, as well as chakra control, due to the Rank of the Technique. Unless you can my claim wrong, then admit your defeat miss.
Finally, they start at 50 metres, Inos jutsu travels a distance, Konos doesn't.
Do you even know the downside of Ino's Jutsu? If she misses her target (which will likely happen), she won't be able to return into her body for a few minutes. Her body will become unprotected, and vulnerable to enemy attacks, enabling enough time for Konohomaru to Rasengan her in the face. Try again.
His rasengan is a linear charge forwards where he pushed his arms fowards to throw his attack,
He can't throw his attack. What kind of ;);););););););) is this? He can thrust it, but he can't throw it. Give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number please miss. If you don't have proof, then stop providing baseless claims.
you really think he can side step a mind transfer while charging?
Dodging, Kage Bushin no Jutsu. You really think Ino's Mind Transfer Technique will aim properly at Konohomaru, while he's moving?
Ino took control of a moving target, a bird - iirc, shouldn't be any trouble taking control of Kono.
A bird's speed=/=a Shinobi's speed. Try again miss.


In this case, my opinion = fact.
No, it doesn't. Try again miss.
When you compare his rasengan to Narutos, Jiraiyas etc. it sucked.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again miss.
It has yet to knock anyone out without having extra damage from smashing someone into a wall, and Naraka had no tanking feats to start with, or really any particulary impressive feats at all.
Neither has Ino. Your point?



Yep. Caused damage, smashed him into a wall to cause more damage, knocked him out for a while, caused no long term effects, do I seem impressed? Did you see what RS did to Narutos arm? Attacked it on the cellular level? Put him into a hospital bed. Yeh, Ino healed that damage
Reason above of why Naruto's Rasengan>Konohomaru's Rasengan. Read it. Love it. Enhance it.

Yeah. No. Your claim is invalid, due to your wankage of Ino EVER tanking Konohomaru's Rasengan. You have refused to show me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of Ino EVER tanking a high ranked Technique, thus making your claim invalid.


And? Its called bringing up my own point, which you've failed to counter, btw.
Appearantly, I did. You're too stubborn to believe so.


Lolwut? Attacked on the cellular level?
The Rasenshuriken causes cellular damage. The Rasengan causes internal damage.
Caused critical damage?
I don't recall ever saying anything about critical damage. Read my comments correctly before opening your mouth miss.
Could remove the use of his arm if used any more?
Rasenshuriken.
The damage he recieved from his jutsu was minimal in comparison to the
That's great. Get some knowledge, then come back at me.
damage it dealt to Kakuzu,
Want to know the reason? I'll tell you. You see, when Konohomaru learned the Rasengan, he only created the high density of chakra, but has yet to show any accomplishment of adding his nature affinity into the Rasengan. You see, Naruto completed his Rasengan fully, by adding his Wind Nature Affinity into the high density of chakra, creating the Wind Release: Rasengan. After that, Naruto was able to create 4 large points, and the Rasengan appearing as a perfect sphere in the middle, resembling a fuma shuriken, or also known as, Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Your claim just got PWNED.
but that doesn't mean it didn't inflict that much damage to him, he still recieved major damage.
DUR.
Apparently Konohamarus doesn't, not to any great extent anyway. And he has no wall to smash Ino into either, so its damage is reduced further.
Yes he does. Konohomaru's Rasengan=GG Ino. Since you have wanked on Ino uncontrollably, and refused to provide proof from the Manga, let alone the Naruto Wikia, you are considered a fangirl, whom is too butthurt to admit her defeat.

THE X UCHIHA
01-07-2011, 12:06 PM
Haha. The Tsunade bashing has gotten ridiculous here.

Anyway, Konohamaru is clearly less intelligent than Ino is. Ino is a chunin and a medical ninja. Thus far, it is evident that a medical ninja must possess a certain level of superior intelligence verses normal ninja. Not all, but most. This being said, I highly doubt Konohamaru is hitting any moving target with the Rasengan. He did manage to hit the Naraka Path, but he was clearly standing still. It is also safe to assume that Konohamaru has not fully mastered the Rasengan.

In the battle against Sakura, Ino did display some relatively good taijutsu, not great, but good. Unlike Ino, Konohamaru would try a direct attack, blunt and straight forward as exhibited several times throughout the series. Konohamaru can create Shadow Clones, while Ino has only shown the ability to make normal clones. Nonetheless, Ino can create clones to distract Konohamaru and knowing him, he will get confused. Hell, even a skilled ninja would get slightly confused when you have three identical targets dashing around in front of you. So, Konohamaru actually detecting the real Ino is less than likely.

With some healing abilities, superior intelligence and possibly superior taijutsu, I think Ino can take this. The only way I see Konohamaru defeating Ino is if he traps her, which I doubt since I doubt he can outsmart her.

it ain't about who's the smarter , it's about who's the stronger.
Kono can make 2-Shadow Clones , and that means she can't excute the MindControl jutsu easily .

* do you relize what a normal rasengan can do ? maybe Kono's rasengan is weak, but it still a Rasengan.

and I think you've seen well what it did to the water tank ( in the Original ) when Naruto & Sasuke was fighting each other at the Hospital's surface.

what I'm tryin to say here is ...

as long as Kono can excute the Rasengan freely , Ino's attacks are useless , in addition to her Taijutsu. which I think it's weaker than required.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 01:59 PM
Well, since I've basically one shotted LT, and due to LT refusing to provide proof, this thread should be locked.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-07-2011, 02:14 PM
Well, since I've basically one shotted LT, and due to LT refusing to provide proof, this thread should be locked.

Denied.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Humph. Fine. *Crosses arms, and looks away*

Umm, what if I give you 50 internet cookies?

Lady Tsunade
01-07-2011, 03:20 PM
Konohomaru doesn't have great chakra control, but his chakra control is well enough for him to create the Rasengan with the use of a Shadow Clone. Remember; the Jutsu is an A-Rank Technique. In other words, only the most experienced Shinobi and Kunoichi can learn a Technique of such high rank. It's not that Konohomaru doesn't have chakra control at all. It's just that he doesn't have enough chakra control, in order to form the Rasengan with one hand. The same thing goes for Naruto.

True, so he has a degree of chakra control using rasengan, of course - with him having so little experience with it, that control has to be very limited.

Incorrect. The Rasengan creates the user's Transformation's Chakra to the highest possible point, and adds their nature affinity into the mix. In other words, the user molds a high density of chakra into their plam, and addding their nature affinity into the mix. This Technique requires a lot of chakra to do, due to the chakra control, the power, and the rank of the Technique.

Thats assuming you perform it at base level, Konohamarus rasengan is small and not really at the level the average one is. Pre Narutos for example. It was never really said or proved that rasengan used a lot of chakra, Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato used it, all of whom have high chakra reserves and could use it many many times without getting tired out. And Kakashi, whose chakra reserves were very limited at the time, and had not mastered rasengan to any great extent - didn't seem tired out much after using it. Konohamaru never put his nature affinity into his rasengan as he had not gotten to that level yet. So basicly it was just a swirling mass of chakra which did limited damage. If you want to assume it requires a lot of chakra because the chakra is seeable then okay, but in that case I could assume Healing Hands jutsu also requires lots of chakra, or Flying Swallow requires a lot of chakra, or gentle fist strikes - because all release seeable blasts of blue/green chakra.

He's only a Genin you know.

Exactly.

Has Ino ever shown that capability of smashing someone onto a wall?

No. But for such an uber epic hax jutsu used so many times before, smashing someone into a wall sucked. Of course, a swift kick could always knock them into a wall.

The reason why Naruto's Rasengan>Konohomaru's Rasengan is because of the Force he applies onto the Technique, the chakra control he has, the experience, and his chakra reserves. All of these keys play a role of completing a high ranked Technique with little to no difficulty.

Yes. I knew this already. But thanks for the addition anyway.

Your point?

My point was continued on through that paragraph, but for some reason you chose to pick out this sentence and ask me what the point was, before reading on..

Actually it is. Let me dumb it down for ya, since you've failed to understand the concept of the Rasengan. The Rasengan inflicts internal damage onto the body, destroying bones, organs, and muscle tissue. Due to this, it tends to launch the victim backward after being hit by the Technique. Unless you show me CONCRETE PROOF that Ino has TANKED an A-RANKED TECHNIQUE, then drop it.

Yeh, thats cool and everything but you've told me how epic rasengan is several times now. I'm aware it deals internal damage, but obviously Konohamarus doesn't do very much. As Naraka failed to suffer from damage upon wakening up. And yes, rasengan CAN break bones, damage organs and muscle tissue. But has Konohamarus weak rasengan ever done any of those things? No. For friks sake, rank doesn't mean crap! Ino doesn't need to tank an A Rank jutsu to be able to tank this crappy rasengan which is also of the same rank. If that were the case, if Ino tanked a Violent Water Wave jutsu she would also be able to tank a Painful Sky Leg, which makes NO sense, since Painful Sky Leg can insta kill, while Violent Water Wave merely blasts someone backwards. So drop this whole A Rank makes it epic thing, A Rank is how difficult the jutsu is to learn based on a number of factors. It does not necessarily have anything to do with the power, so Ino needing to tank an A Rank jutsu is no relevant at all, as Konohamarus weaker rasengan is no where near A Rank in power.

That's great. The only damage Naruto suffered was a broken arm. That's it. A Rasengan causes INTERNAL DAMAGE TO THE BODY, destroying organs, bones, and muscle tissue. Unless you prove to me that Ino can heal such devestating injuries to the body, then your claim remains invalid.

Just a broken arm? Please tell me you're joking? Do you have any idea how bad damage dealt on the cellular level is? Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells. And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that.

Konohamarus rasengan presumably cuts and tears the insides, but considering Naraka showed no signs of physical pain or any loss in stamina, battle ability etc. it should be assumed the damage inflicted wasn't that great, it was the force of him being slammed into the wall that knocked him out, not the actual damge inflicted to him by the jutsu.

There is no guarantee that Konohomaru will spam a dozen or so Shadow Clones, just to overwhelm Ino. He will most likely use the Shadow Clones as destraction, and for him to mold the chakra into his hand, in order to perform the Rasengan. It's called simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.


They're BL. And Konohamaru, the only time he was ever been BL, used Kage Bunshins and rasengans. NO WAY Konohamarus managing a dozen shadow clones. Like I said, Hiruzen, a Hokage, regardless of his age, was unable to perform shadow clones to any great extent. Unless you're saying Konohamarus chakra reserves>Hiruzens? Konohamaru isn't very intelligent, using a shadow clone as a distraction is not impressive, anyone could do that. Basic feat. And Naraka was stupid enough to fall for it and not turn around despite the noise Konoahamaru made.

You know nothing about the Rasengan. I guess I will have to explain a few things to you. The Rasengan is an A-Ranked Technique created by the 4th Hokage (Minato Namikaze). Basically, the Technique was made to take the user's Transformation's Chakra to the highest possible point, and combine it with the user's nature affinity. In other words, the Rasengan is composed of high density chakra, which is mixed with a user's nature affinity. More so, it requires chakra control, in order to complete the Technique. Konohomaru only has the regular Rasengan completed. Not only that, but it requires a lot of chakra, as well as chakra control, due to the Rank of the Technique. Unless you can my claim wrong, then admit your defeat miss.

And? Minato created the technique, he created it with intention to take the users Transformation chakra to the highest possible point and combine it with Nature chakra. And yes, it requires some chakra control. Konohamaru however can't combine nature chakra, so thats irrelevant. Konohamaru hasn't mastered the jutsu, and so has not taken his transformation chakra to the highest possible point. Finally, the jutsu has never been proven to use large consumptions of chakra, you've just worded it so that it sounds that way. Chakra control helps you control the swirling motion, it also helps to reduce the amount of chakra need for the jutsu, it doesn't affect the power it inflicts. Size and the amount of chakra poured in helps with that.

Do you even know the badside of Ino's Jutsu? If she misses her target (which will likely happen), she won't be able to return to her body in a few minutes. Her body will become unprotected, and vulnerable to enemy attacks, enabling enough time for Konohomaru to Rasengan her in the face. Try again.

I went on to explain the drawbacks, and described how they didn't actually matter, in my last post. But once again, you chose to pick out this line and save the rest for later. Ino isn't retarded, she's intelligent, which I've given sufficient feats for already. She's very aware of her Mind Transfer jutsus drawbacks, and so uses it intelligently, like she did with Sakura. Konohamarus only method of attack is rasengan, shuriken and shadow clone spam, she can easily dodge shuriken or deflect them. And when he uses rasengan, he can only travel in a straight line - he can't manuever out of her jutsus way. And if he wants to stop his jutsu and back away while she aims her jutsu, thats fine - he wastes his own chakra while Ino doesn't have to do anything but make a few handseals. Hell, she might not even need the handseals, shuriken throwing could poof away his shadow clone and make him unable to run with his rasengan anymore. And since they're at 50 metres, she has all the time in the world to do that.

His only chance is close range attacks with shadow clones, of course her having more tai feats, having the hype as being Chunin and having 3 years to train up her taijutsu somewhat, I'd like to assume its at least somewhat better than Konohamarus. His basic punches are bound to deal roughly the same damage as Pre Sakuras, which Ino took several of without much trouble. His shadow clones can be beaten, and if does happen to land a rasengan on her using some sort of feint, her medical ninjutsu, as I've proven, can heal back that damage.

He can't throw his attack. What kind of ;);););););););) is this? He can thrust it, but he can't throw it. Give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number please miss.

That was figuratively, not literally. So you can understand better, I meant throw his arm forwards at her with his rasengan in hand to hit her. Not actually throw the rasengan.

Dodging, Kage Bushin no Jutsu. You really think Ino's Mind Transfer Technique will aim properly at Konohomaru, while he's moving?

Unless Konohamaru sits back and has his clones perform the Kage Bunshin/rasengan attacks, while observes and uses chakra. Then he isn't using kage bunshins to avoid being taken over. He can't dodge while running forwards with his rasengan in hand, unless you provide a manga reference to where he has done so? Or even Naruto or Minato has done so. Konohamaru moves at no good speed, peak human at the very best. Ino has caught moving targets before, ones in the air[birds], that are harder to aim at. Konohamaru running straight at her on the ground, and doing so for a whole 50 metres? Ino will easily hit him once he gets in range.


Yeah. No. Your claim is invalid, due to your wankage of Ino EVER tanking Konohomaru's Rasengan. You have refused to show me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of Ino EVER tanking a high ranked Technique, thus making your claim invalid.

Don't need to. Rank means jack crap, so thats irrelevant. She healed back a lot of damage, and since she won't stand still like Naraka whenever he harges with rasengan, smashing her into a wall will be almost impossible. Thus she won't be knocked out by the force =] Or take as much damage at least. You knew the manga reference where she healed the damage anyway, so I don't need to give that one to you.

The Rasenshuriken causes cellular damage. The Rasengan causes internal damage. I don't recall ever saying anything about critical damage. Read my comments correctly before opening your mouth miss.


Thats because I was talking about Rasenshuriken not that crappy rasengan Konohamaru used, read my posts correctly before opening your mouth, sir.

That's great. Get some knowledge, then come back at me.

Oooh burn. Go get some knowledge? Thats a bit harsh. I so apologise, for my claims and proof not comparing to your ' Rasengan is A Rank and inflicts internal damage, and since Ino hasn't tanked an A Rank jutsu she gets owned by that rasengan ' theory. Even though I've proved it wrong on several occasions =]

Want to know the reason? I'll tell you. You see, when Konohomaru learned the Rasengan, he only created the high density of chakra, but has yet to show any accomplishment of adding his nature affinity into the Rasengan. You see, Naruto completed his Rasengan fully, by adding his Wind Nature Affinity into the high density of chakra, creating the Wind Release: Rasengan. After that, Naruto was able to create 4 large points, and the Rasengan appearing as a perfect sphere in the middle, resembling a fuma shuriken, or also known as, Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Your claim just got PWNED

..you just explained what RS does and why its superior to Konohamarus tiny rasengan. You didn't explain why the damage dealt to Narutos arm was minimal in comparison to the damage dealt to Kakuzu, so, remind me - how does that make my claim ' PWNED ' ?

Yes he does. Konohomaru's Rasengan=GG Ino. Unless you can prove otherwise, you've lost this debate. HORRIBLY

She isn't standing near a wall, if you recall the layout of the arena. And she won't stand still like Naraka did when he charged at it, so hitting her, let alone smashing her into a wall will be almost impossible. All you've said is that Konos jutsu = A Rank, and that since Ino hasn't tanked an A Ranked jutsu she can't take rasengan. Even though thats BS, since his jutsu[used by him] did most of its damage from smashing its target into a wall. And Ino has healed greater damage, so she doesn't need to tank. I provided sufficient feats of this above. I most certainly have not lost this debate ' HORRIBLY ' , I've proved everything you've tried to counter me with false and actually proven in normal and bioglogical terms how RS damage dealt to Narutos arm>Konos rasengan damage to Naraka.

So please, asides Rasengan being A Rank, being invented by Minato for various purposes which don't apply to Konohamaru and dealing less damage to Naraka than RS did to Narutos arm. What else does Kono have? Pretty sure we've worn them out, shuriken, Bunshin, rasengan. Yep, thats it.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 04:32 PM
True, so he has a degree of chakra control using rasengan, of course - with him having so little experience with it, that control has to be very limited.
Incorrect. While Konohomaru has little experience and has little chakra control to complete the Rasengan fully, his chakra control is well enough to develop the main part of an A-Ranked Technique. Overall, his chakra control is above average, due to developing the main part of an A-Ranked Technique, even though he has little experience with the Technique in the first place.


Thats assuming you perform it at base level, Konohamarus rasengan is small and not really at the level the average one is.
I've explained this to you many times. It depends on experience, power, chakra control, chakra reserves, and difficulty. Konohomaru's Rasengan is smaller than an average Rasengan, because due to his ninja rank of a Genin, overall, he has little experience when it comes to medium to high ranked Techniques. More so, Konohomaru just learned the Technique. He won't be able to master the main part of the Rasengan completely, due to his low ninja rank and little experience.
Pre Narutos for example. It was never really said or proved that rasengan used a lot of chakra, Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato used it, all of whom have high chakra reserves and could use it many many times without getting tired out.
Of course. While the Rasengan requires a lot of chakra, Naruto, Jiraiya, and Minato have massive chakra reserves, which enables them to use the Rasengan multiple times without tiring out. For instance, Naruto was able to learn the Kage Bushin no Jutsu, which is a Jonin Ranked Technique. He had immense chakra reserves, since the beginning of Naruto. His chakra reserves played a role with his chakra control. Naruto had poor chakra control, because he had massive chakra reserves. Over time, his chakra control increased, which enabled him to develop a main part of an A-Ranked Technique.
And Kakashi, whose chakra reserves were very limited at the time, and had not mastered rasengan to any great extent - didn't seem tired out much after using it.
Nor did he tire out after using the Kamui. The Kamui also requires a massive amount of chakra, but due to Kakashi's massive chakra reserves, he was able to use the Kamui twice in one day: once against Pein, and once against Sasuke. He seemingly had no fatigue after using the Kamui twice in one day.
Konohamaru never put his nature affinity into his rasengan as he had not gotten to that level yet.
Because I've explained it to you.
So basicly it was just a swirling mass of chakra which did limited damage.
Incorrect. How many times do I have to tell you? The Rasengan is made up of highly dense chakra, which is mixed with the user's nature affinity. Konohomaru only developed the main part of the Rasengan, but his Rasengan is smaller than the average ones, due to his little experience with medium to high ranked Techniques. More so, Konohomaru hasn't added his nature affinity to his Rasengan.

Incorrect. Konohomaru's Rasengan was powerful enough to slam Naraka Path into a wall. Although Konohomaru's Rasengan was powerful enough to slam Path into a nearby wall, Naraka was durable enough to actually survive the attack, something that Ino has never shown with any high ranked technique. More so, a regular Rasengan destroys muscle tissue, as well as bones and organs. Although Konohomaru's Rasengan is weaker than an average Rasengan due to his little experience with medium to high ranked techniques, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan will do major damage to someone, whom has little to no durability at all.
If you want to assume it requires a lot of chakra because the chakra is of a high density then okay,
Because I'm right, and you're wrong.
but in that case I could assume Healing Hands jutsu also requires lots of chakra,or Flying Swallow requires a lot of chakra, or gentle fist strikes - because all release seeable blasts of blue/green chakra.
Wow. You really are brainless. It depends on the rank of the Technique, as well as the power (for offense), tanking ability (for defense) experience, and difficulty. Chakra control, and a user's chakra reserves also play a role into learning an extremely difficult Technique. For instance, a Genin with Genin level chakra reserves can't master the Chidori, because their chakra reserves are too small, as well as them having little experience. More so, the Chidori requires a lot of chakra, due to the Rank of the Technique. See my point?



Exactly.



No. But for such an uber epic hax jutsu used so many times before, smashing someone into a wall sucked. Of course, a swift kick could always knock them into a wall.
You are hands down, the biggest fangirl I've ever met. Unless you show me CONCRETE PROOF of Ino EVER tanking ANY high ranked Technique, then drop it.



Yes. I knew this already. But thanks for the addition anyway.
Yeah. Sure you did.


My point was continued on through that paragraph, but for some reason you chose to pick out this sentence and ask me what the point was, before reading on..
Your paragraph was proven wrong by me anyway, so what's the point?


Yeh, thats cool and everything but you've told me how epic rasengan is several times now.
And you still don't get it do you? I might as well bring you the whole information of the Rasengan from the Naruto Wikia, so you can understand the concept of the Rasengan better.
I'm aware it deals internal damage, but obviously Konohamarus doesn't do very much.
Because he has little experience, as well as being ranked a Genin. He already developed the main part of the Rasengan, but doesn't have full control over it, because he doesn't have enough chakra control, necessary to mold the Rasengan in just 1 palm.
As Naraka failed to suffer from damage upon wakening up.
That proves he has great tanking ability. It doesn't prove that Konohomaru's Rasengan is weak. And you have yet to prove to me that Ino can actually survive a Rasengan to the face. Try again miss.
And yes, rasengan CAN break bones, damage organs and muscle tissue.
DUR. Because I was the one who explained this simple logic to you in the first place.
But has Konohamarus weak rasengan ever done any of those things? No.
I've explained this to you many times over. It's sad that you can't seem to comprehend the simplies of my comments eh? Read my paragraphs, and you will see why Konohomaru's Rasengan isn't as powerful as Naruto's, Jiraiya's, or Minato's.
For friks sake, rank doesn't mean crap!
1. Yes it does.
2. Calm down miss.
3. Try again.
Ino doesn't need to tank an A Rank jutsu to be able to tank this crappy rasengan which is also of the same rank.
Then show me a feat of Ino tanking an A Ranked Technique. If you can't provide proof to support your claim, then I will come to the conclusion that you're just wanking on Ino uncontrollably.
If that were the case, if Ino tanked a Violent Water Wave jutsu she would also be able to tank a Painful Sky Leg, which makes NO sense, since Painful Sky Leg can insta kill, while Violent Water Wave merely blasts someone backwards.
Wow, just wow. Just provide the proof. If you don't have any, then drop it.
So drop this whole A Rank makes it epic thing, A Rank is how difficult the jutsu is to learn based on a number of factors.
It also depends on:
1. Chakra control
2. Chakra reserves
3. Experience
4. Power (offense)
5. Tanking ability (defense)

It's simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.
It does not necessarily have anything to do with the power, so Ino needing to tank an A Rank jutsu is no relevant at all,
Proof that Ino can tank an A Rank Jutsu. Proof that Ino can survive a Rasengan to the face. Proof that Ino can heal all of her internal injuries done to her body. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.
as Konohamarus weaker rasengan is no where near A Rank in power.
Invalid. Try again.


Just a broken arm?
Yeah.
Please tell me you're joking?
I'm not.
Do you have any idea how bad damage dealt on the cellular level is?
Dur. It's called Science and simple logic.
Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow.
Point? Naruto's healing ability is amplified, due to the Kyuubi's chakra and excellent healing rate. While his cells were damage, they were able to repair themselves, due to the Kyuubi's chakra and excellent healing rate. Overall? Naruto only suffered a broken arm. Try again miss.
Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate.
That's nice. Irrelevant.
This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved.
Due to Naruto's healing ability, he only suffered a broken arm.
Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells.
Most if not all of the cells were healed. This was most likely caused by the Kyuubi's chakra and excellent healing rate. Overall? Naruto only suffered a broken arm. Which was healed in a few hours or less. Besides, what makes you think Ino has the healing abilities, necessary to survive any internal damage done to her body? Manga Chapter and Page Number miss.
And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that.
Again, Naruto only suffered a BROKEN. ARM. Geez.

Konohamarus rasengan presumably cuts and tears the insides, but considering Naraka showed no signs of physical pain or any loss in stamina, battle ability etc it should be assumed the damage inflicted wasn't that great, it was the force of him being slammed into the wall that knocked him out, not the actual damge inflicted to him by the jutsu.
Wow, you really don't know anything. Naraka survived, due to his excellent tanking abilities. It does NOT prove that Konohomaru's Rasengan is crap.


They're BL.
DUR.
And Konohamaru, the only time he was ever been BL, used Kage Bunshins and rasengans.
I know.
NO WAY Konohamarus managing a dozen shadow clones.
He won't need a dozen Shadow Clones. When did I say that Konohomaru will summon a dozen Shadow Clones?
Like I said, Hiruzen, a Hokage, regardless of his age, was unable to perform shadow clones to any great extent.
Because of his chakra reserves. DUR.
Unless you're saying Konohamarus chakra reserves>Hiruzens?
You can't read my comments. When did I say that Konohomaru will summon a dozen Shadow Clones?
Konohamaru isn't very intelligent, using a shadow clone as a distraction is not impressive, anyone could do that. Basic feat.
It proves that Konohomaru is strategic enough to outsmart a powerful enemy. I wonder if Ino ever outsmarted a powerful enemy before. If she had, show me a Manga Chapter and Page Number.
And Naraka was stupid enough to fall for it and not turn around despite the noise Konoahamaru made.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again miss.


And? Minato created the technique, he created it with intention to take the users Transformation chakra to the highest possible point and combine it with Nature chakra.
I just stated that. Stop copying my comments.
And yes, it requires some chakra control.
DUR.
Konohamaru however can't combine nature chakra, so thats irrelevant.
I never claimed he could you idiot.
Konohamaru hasn't mastered the jutsu, and so has not taken his
transformation chakra to the highest possible point.
I know. I just stated that. Except the highest possible point.
Finally, the jutsu has never been proven to use large consumptions of chakra,
Proof it doesn't.
you've just worded it so that it sounds that way.
No, I haven't.
Chakra control helps you control the swirling motion, it also helps to reduce the amount of chakra need for the jutsu, it doesn't affect the power it inflicts.
Incorrect. If a person has more efficient chakra control, they will be able to not only learn more difficult Technique, they will also be able to increase the Power of their Techniques. Proof that it doesn't affect the power it inflicts.
Size and the amount of chakra poured in helps with that.
So does chakra control.


I went on to explain the drawbacks, and described how they didn't actually matter, in my last post. But once again, you chose to pick out this line and save the rest for later.
Point?
Ino isn't retarded,
I never claimed she was.
she's intelligent,
And? Is she strategic?
which I've given sufficient feats for already.
No, you haven't. You haven't provided a single feat that proves Ino's victory. All you did was wank and wank, uncontrollably. Not only did you made this into a wank thread, but you've fueled its flames with your fangirlism. That's why you've lost against me badly.
She's very aware of her Mind Transfer jutsus drawbacks, and so uses it intelligently, like she did with Sakura.
During Part 1. Your point? Sakura wasn't strategic when it came to fights during Part 1.
Konohamarus only method of attack is rasengan, shuriken and shadow clone spam, she can easily dodge shuriken or deflect them.
Yeah. No. Ino isn't dodging a Shadow Clone spam, or Rasengan.
And when he uses rasengan, he can only travel in a straight line - he can't manuever out of her jutsus way.
That's why he has Shadow Clones. For a destraction. DUR.
And if he wants to stop his jutsu and back away while she aims her jutsu, thats fine - he wastes his own chakra while Ino doesn't have to do anything but make a few handseals.
Yeah. No. Proof that Ino can aim properly at Konohomaru, while he's running.
Hell, she might not even need the handseals,
Yeah, she will. She still loses. Your claims are garbage.
shuriken throwing could poof away his shadow clone and make him unable to run with his rasengan anymore.
Proof of aim, proof of him not being able to run with his Rasengan anymore.
And since they're at 50 metres, she has all the time in the world to do that.
Until Konohomaru Rasengans her in the face.
His only chance is close range attacks with shadow clones,
Shadow Clones+Rasengan=GG Ino.
of course her having more tai feats, having the hype as being Chunin and having 3 years to train up her taijutsu somewhat, I'd like to assume its at least somewhat better than Konohamarus.
And? Due to being BL, she won't use her Taijutsu skills. She will attempt to use her Mind Transfer Jutsu. Try again miss.
His basic punches are bound to deal roughly the same damage as Pre Sakuras, which Ino took several of without much trouble.
And? Proof that Sakura's punches=Konohomaru's Rasengan, proof that Ino can tank Konohomaru's Rasengan. If you can't provide proof to support your claims, then I will come to a conclusion that you're wanking on Ino uncontrollably.
His shadow clones can be beaten,
I never claimed they can't. Too bad Ino won't be able to defeat all of them in time, before she gets Rasenganed in the face.
and if does happen to land a rasengan on her using some sort of feint, her medical ninjutsu, as I've proven, can heal back that damage.
Proven wrong by me. Try again.


That was figuratively, not literally. So you can understand better, I meant throw his arm forwards at her with his rasengan in hand to hit her. Not actually throw the rasengan.
Then explain your wordings better.



Unless Konohamaru sits back and has his clones perform the Kage Bunshin/rasengan attacks, while observes and uses chakra. Then he isn't using kage bunshins to avoid being taken over.
Proof that Konohomaru won't use a Shadow Clone to destract Ino.
He can't dodge while running forwards with his rasengan in hand, unless you provide a manga reference to where he has done so?
Won't need to. Shadow Clones=destraction. I've proven this to you many times over.
Or even Naruto or Minato has done so.

Konohamaru moves at no good speed, peak human at the very best.

Ino has caught moving targets before, ones in the air[birds], that are harder to aim at.
Bird's speed=/=Shinobi's speed. Try again.
Konohamaru running straight at her on the ground, and doing so for a whole 50 metres? Ino will easily hit him once he gets in range.
Ha. No. Konohomaru destracts Ino with Shadow Clones. Ino will attempt to use Mind Transfer Technique on Konohomaru. Unfortunately, that isn't the real Konohomaru. She gets Rasenganed in the face.



Don't need to. Rank means jack crap, so thats irrelevant.
Proof that Rank is irrelevant.
She healed back a lot of damage, and since theres no wall to smash her into,
Proven wrong. Try again.
she won't be knocked out by the force =] Or take as much damage at least.
Proof that she can heal the internal damage done to her muscle tissue, organs, and bones.
You knew the manga reference where she healed the damage anyway, so I don't need to give that one to you.
Proven wrong. Try again.


Thats because I was talking about Rasenshuriken not that crappy rasengan Konohamaru used, read my posts correctly before opening your mouth, sir.
I don't open my mouth when I type. Try again miss.


Oooh burn. Go get some knowledge? Thats a bit harsh. I so apologise, for my claims and proof not comparing to your ' Rasengan is A Rank and inflicts internal damage, and since Ino hasn't tanked an A Rank jutsu she gets owned by that rasengan ' theory. Even though I've proved it wrong on several occasions =]
Of course you would write something like this. Your lack of knowledge commands you to write something so pointless, and irrelevant as this.



..you just explained what RS does and why its superior to Konohamarus tiny rasengan. You didn't explain why the damage dealt to Narutos arm was minimal in comparison to the damage dealt to Kakuzu, so, remind me - how does that make my claim ' PWNED ' ?
Naruto received a broken arm. Ino healed it. That's great. Now prove to me that Ino can heal internal damage done to her body, let alone her FACE.


What walls that? They're fighting in a forest. All you've said is that Konos jutsu = A Rank, and that since Ino hasn't tanked an A Ranked jutsu she can't take rasengan.
Because she can't.
Even though thats BS,
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again miss.
since his jutsu[used by him] did most of its damage from smashing its target into a wall.
It only proves that Naraka has great tanking ability. Try again miss.

And Ino has healed greater damage, so she doesn't need to tank. I provided sufficient feats of this above.
A broken arm? Yeah, that's some damage she healed.
I most certainly have not lost this debate ' HORRIBLY ' , I've proved everything you've tried to counter me with false and actually proven in normal and bioglogical terms how RS damage dealt to Narutos arm>Konos rasengan damage to Naraka.
Of course you would write something like this. Your lack of knowledge commands you to write something so pointless, and irrelevant as this.


So please, asides Rasengan being A Rank, being invented by Minato for various purposes which don't apply to Konohamaru and dealing less damage to Naraka than RS did to Narutos arm. What else does Kono have? Pretty sure we've worn them out, shuriken, Bunshin, rasengan. Yep, thats it.
Which Kono will use to end Ino. Proven right by everyone, except you.

Lady Tsunade
01-07-2011, 05:51 PM
/facepalm

You're just post farming and flaming now. This will be my last post, gonna sum up everything without all the unnecessary extra crap.

1] Konos rasengan REGARDLESS of what Minato, Naruto, and Jiraiyas rasengans do, inflict or what they're intended to do, are much more powerful than his. And no, I am not asking for an explanation of how rasengan works, you've given me like 8 of those already. It hit Naraka, pushed him backwards and knocked him out as he smashed against a wall.

2] Konohamaru has shown almost no speed whatsoever. He wouldn't have hit Naraka with his slow ass jutsu should he been looking at Kono. And his Kage bunshin was a basic trick anyone with Kage Bunshin could've performed. Not impressive, only impressive thing was him learning the jutsu.

3] Kono can make Kage Bunshins, Kage Bunshins use up his chakra quickly. Him being a Genin and having little feats mean he has little chakra. He can't make very many. 4 tops. I doubt any more than 2 rasengans.

4] They start at 50 metres. Inos jutsu = long ranged and travels in straight line, and Konos = close range and travels in straight line. And yes, I'm aware of all Mind Transfers flaws, no need to explain that again. Kono can't move left/right/up/down as he's using rasengan - only forwards, no proof otherwise. so if Ino launches Mind Transfer at him while he runs forwards he's toast.

5] Ino can counter any tools he has with her own. And since Naraka, who is not built for combat or tanking attacks, managed to take a rasengan and not deal any after effects, I've no doubt healing fixes the job up. Cba going into further detail, this is like, the 80th time I've said this.

6] Inos taijutsu is at least somewhat better than Konohamarus. Ino reacted to smoke bombs used by Human Path, and saw him appear before anyone else. Kono ain't surprise attacking her, and none of his attacks are as fast as smoke bomb explosion, except maybe shunshin - but Ino has that too so, thats useless.

7] With these reaction feats, chances Kono hits her are low. Furthermore, with her healing abilities which you have ignored with a retarded comment of ' Thats nice ' and then went back to your random rasengan trivia, she can withstand its effects.

8] Naraka never tanked anything before the rasengan
Konohamaru never hit anything with rasengan before Naraka
Assuming Naraka is a beastly tanker because he took an attack which did little damage to him, even though it had no previous feats is stupid.
The attack itself was noted to be weaker than Narutos, Jiraiyas etc. suggesting it to be a weak attack

9] Rank doesn't mean crap. Ino doesn't need to tank an A Ranked attack to tank this attack. I don't care if rasengan is an A Ranked jutsu, the damage Konos one caused is less than what RS caused to Narutos arm,[ and again - I'm not asking what the rasengan does, I know the entire life story of the rasengan now]. As I have clearly proved here: " Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells. And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that " Now, if you can provide me proof of Konos rasengan dealing ANY significant damage to someone who wasn't knocked out from being smashed into a wall, and actually dealing internal damage, I'll happily concede to your arguement.

10] Naruto wasn't in Kyuubi form and never regened - stop making things up. You said in your last post Konohamaru can make a dozen or so Kage Bunshins, he can't make anywhere near that. I've proved Naruto took more damage than a broken arm. Ino has never outsmarted a powerful enemy, but she's outsmarted a smart enemy - Sakura, go find the chapter yourself. Kono has outsmarted a retard who stared at a wall for several seconds. And proof as to why rasengan doesn't take up large amounts of chakra? The proof is: There is no proof to prove it does. And that BS about it being made to take Transformation chakra to high level isn't a reason either.

Better taijutsu, better smarts, better evasion, she can heal back from any of his jutsu, a distance that suits her better and the ability to counter anything he does. Ino has this, and no quadruple Kage Bunshin or double rasengan which either miss or are healed back from are doing crap.

And just so you know ma'dear, post farming, flaming, wanking and ignoring my valid points don't make you pwn anything. They just increase your chances of being punished. And before you say it, whether you care about this punishment or not is really of no interest to me, I'm just letting you know before you persist <3

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 07:35 PM
/facepalm

You're just post farming and flaming now. This will be my last post, gonna sum up everything without all the unnecessary extra crap.
Flaming? Yes. Post Farming? No.
1] Konos rasengan REGARDLESS of what Minato, Naruto, and Jiraiyas rasengans do, inflict or what they're intended to do, are much more powerful than his.
Naruto, Minato, and Jiraiya all have massive chakra reserves. They are able to use the Rasengan a multitude of times without becoming tired, due to these chakra reserves. However, chakra control plays a role in this also. You see, if you have the required chakra control, this will enable you to mold the highly dense chakra into your hand. In other words, you will be able to form the Rasengan with only one hand. More so, all 3 of them have more experience than Konohomaru. Naruto has trained with Jiraiya for 3 years on his abilities, including his Rasengan. Konohomaru just learned the Rasengan from Naruto. It's obvious that Konohomaru's Rasengan won't be as devestating as Naruto's, Minato's, of Jiraiya. However, Konohomaru's Rasengan is devestating nevertheless. Unless you show me proof that Ino can tank the attack, then your claims are all invalid.
And no, I am not asking for an explanation of how rasengan works, you've given me like 8 of those already.
And you still can't comprehend my comments. If you would have read through all of my comments, instead of providing the same baseless claims, then we would've had a much better debate. Instead, you refuseed to show me proof that Ino can tank a Rasengan. Not only did you refused to show me Manga Chapter and Page Number, but you've also wanked on Ino to the point where it's just downright silly.
It hit Naraka, pushed him backwards and knocked him out as he smashed against a wall.
This proves that Naraka has excellent tanking ability. It doesn't prove that Konohomaru's Rasengan is nowhere near as deadly as Naruto's, Minato's, or Jiraiya's. It only means that Konohomaru's Rasengan isn't strong enough to deal devestating damage to Naraka. Naraka's durability also plays a role with him getting knocked out, instead of dying. More so, due to him being a corpse, all of the Rasengan's affects will barely affect him. Ino has shown no tanking feats during Part 2 of any kind. If she can barely tank punches from Sakura during Part 1, what makes you think she can tank a Rasengan? I want you to provide me proof from the Manga that shows Ino ever tanking an A Ranked Technique. I want you to provide concrete evidence from the Manga. I want you to provide me a Manga Chapter and Page Number, and explain the situation FULLY. If you can't provide proof to back up your claims, then your claims remain invalid.

2] Konohamaru has shown almost no speed whatsoever.
While Konohomaru hasn't shown any speed feats, there is no guarantee that Ino will be able to speedblitz him, regardless whether she has superior speed or not. Infact, due to being BL, Ino will most likely use her Mind Transfer Technique to finish the job quickly. Your claim remains invalid.

What Konohomaru lacks in speed, he makes up for stamina and Ninjutsu. We don't know how many Shadow Clones he can summon. However, we do know that Konohomaru can summon quite a few, due to his rather large chakra reserves. Remember, he was able to form the Rasengan, which requires a lot of chakra. Konohomaru will use the Shadow Clones for offense, defense, and destractions. This will likely give Konohomaru the advantage, and will give him high chances of victory. Unless you can prove otherwise, then drop it.
He wouldn't have hit Naraka with his slow ass jutsu should he been looking at Kono.
Too bad Naraka was too destracted to realize that the real Konohomaru was behind him, while molding a Rasengan. This proves that Konohomaru is very strategic, when it comes to his fighting skills. Also, since it is Nagato, whom is controlling the Paths (Nagato himself is very strategic when it comes to fighting, and his experience over the years has increased drastically), it's safe to conclude that Naraka is extremely smart, as well as experienced. Due to his extremely great strategic skills, Konohomaru will be able to destract Ino with a few Kage Bunshins, long enough for Konohomaru and another Kage Bunshin to form a Rasengan, and deal a fatal blow onto Ino.
And his Kage bunshin was a basic trick anyone with Kage Bunshin could've performed. Not impressive, only impressive thing was him learning the jutsu.
I can see that you basically have no knowledge of the Kage Bunshin Jutsu. At all. The Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is a Technique when the user summons clones. Each clone is supplied with an equal number of chakra, giving them an equal fraction to the user's overall power. More so, the Kage Bunshins are capable of performing Jutsus, such as the Rasengan, Great Ball Rasengan, Sage Art: Great Ball Rasengan, and Fuuton: Rasenshuriken.

Kage Bunshins are exceptionally useful, because the user gains experience the clone has gained throughout their existence. For instance, if a Naruto clone dispersed, Naruto will gain the clone's memories, its experience, and its knowledge.

Kage Bunshins are exceptionally useful for training purposes also. The amount of experience that the user gains is basically multiplied by the total number of the clones that are being used to train. For instance, if Naruto trains for 1 hour, and a Naruto clone trains for 4 hours, then Naruto will have a total training session of up to 5 hours, due to gaining the clone's experiences.

Overall? Kage Bunshin no Jutsu is NOT basic. Therefore, disproving your claim.
3] Kono can make Kage Bunshins, Kage Bunshins use up his chakra quickly.
While Kono can create Kage Bunshins, we have no idea how many Shadow Clones he can create with this Technique. We can conclude that he can create many, due to his rather large chakra reserves.
Him being a Genin and having little feats mean he has little chakra. He can't make very many. 4 tops. I doubt any more than 2 rasengans.
Incorrect. While he is a basic Genin, his chakra reserves are still large, compared to most average Genin. For example, when Naruto was a Genin in Part 1, the reason why he had poor chakra control, was because of his massive chakra reserves. While still a Genin in Part 1, Naruto's chakra reserves were that of a Jonin. Konohomaru's chakra reserves are large, because he is able to form the Rasengan, which requires a lot of chakra, as well as chakra control.
4] They start at 50 metres. Inos jutsu = long ranged and travels in straight line, and Konos = close range and travels in straight line.
Konohomaru will most likely create a Kage Bunshin to destract Ino, long enough for Konohomaru to land a hit on Ino with a Rasengan. In other words, during the destraction, Ino will most likely use the Mind Transfer Technique on the Konohomaru clone, thinking that it's the real Konohomaru. While Ino's mind is in the Konohomaru clone, Ino's body is destroyed by Konohomaru and his Rasengan. It's simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.
And yes, I'm aware of all Mind Transfers flaws, no need to explain that again.
Ok then.
Kono can't move left/right/up/down as he's using rasengan - only forwards, no proof otherwise. so if Ino launches Mind Transfer at him while he runs forwards he's toast.

Konohomaru will most likely create a Kage Bunshin to destract Ino, long enough for Konohomaru to land a hit on Ino with a Rasengan. In other words, during the destraction, Ino will most likely use the Mind Transfer Technique on the Konohomaru clone, thinking that it's the real Konohomaru. While Ino's mind is in the Konohomaru clone, Ino's body is destroyed by Konohomaru and his Rasengan. It's simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.
5] Ino can counter any tools he has with her own.
Proof that she can counter every shuriken thrown by him, including his Kage Bunshins. Proof that Ino can destroy all the Kage Bunshins before Konohomaru Rasengans her in the face.
And since Naraka, who is not built for combat or tanking attacks, managed to take a rasengan and not deal any after effects, I've no doubt healing fixes the job up. Cba going into further detail, this is like, the 80th time I've said this.
This proves that Naraka has excellent tanking ability. It doesn't prove that Konohomaru's Rasengan is nowhere near as deadly as Naruto's, Minato's, or Jiraiya's. It only means that Konohomaru's Rasengan isn't strong enough to deal devestating damage to Naraka. Naraka's durability also plays a role with him getting knocked out, instead of dying. More so, due to him being a corpse, all of the Rasengan's affects will barely affect him.

Ino has shown no tanking feats during Part 2 of any kind. If she can barely tank punches from Sakura during Part 1, what makes you think she can tank a Rasengan? I want you to provide me proof from the Manga that shows Ino ever tanking an A Ranked Technique. I want you to provide concrete evidence from the Manga. I want you to provide me a Manga Chapter and Page Number, and explain the situation FULLY. If you can't provide proof to back up your claims, then your claims remain invalid
6] Inos taijutsu is at least somewhat better than Konohamarus.
Due to being bloodlusted, Ino won't use her Taijutsu skills. Try again miss.
Ino reacted to smoke bombs used by Human Path, and saw him appear before anyone else.
Smoke bombs are NOWHERE near as fast as explosives. More so, while Ino has shown impressive reaction speed, Ino doesn't have the required reaction speed, necessary to counter, block, and/or dodge all the kunai and shuriken thrown by Konohomaru, as well as his Kage Bunshins.
Kono ain't surprise attacking her, and none of his attacks are as fast as smoke bomb explosion, except maybe shunshin - but Ino has that too so, thats useless.
Yeah. No. Unless you prove to me that Ino won't use her Mind Transfer Technique at the start of the battle to finish off Konohomaru, then your claim is invalid.

7] With these reaction feats, chances Kono hits her are low. Furthermore, with her healing abilities which you have ignored with a retarded comment of ' Thats nice ' and then went back to your random rasengan trivia, she can withstand its effects.
A smoke bomb is NOWHERE near as fast as an explosion. If you're thinking that Ino has Supersonic reaction speed, then your claim is pure garbage. If you're thinking that Ino has the reaction speed necessary to block and dodge all the shuriken thrown from Konohomaru, including his clones, then your claim is pure garbage.

I will say this for the last time, so you better listen. PROVIDE. ME. PROOF. FROM. THE. MANGA. THAT. INO. CAN. TANK. A. RASENGAN.
8] Naraka never tanked anything before the rasengan
I never claimed he did.
Konohamaru never hit anything with rasengan before Naraka
I never claimed he did.
Assuming Naraka is a beastly tanker because he took an attack which did little damage to him, even though it had no previous feats is stupid.
You can't read my comments at all can you? Where did I say that Naraka is a beastly tanker? I've said that Naraka has excellent tanking abilities, due to tanking a Rasengan from Konohomaru. An A-Ranked Technique.
The attack itself was noted to be weaker than Narutos, Jiraiyas etc. suggesting it to be a weak attack

9] Rank doesn't mean crap.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again.
Ino doesn't need to tank an A Ranked attack to tank this attack.
I just love how you avoid to provide proof, and create these garbage claims to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. Real smart bra.
I don't care if rasengan is an A Ranked jutsu, the damage Konos one caused is less than what RS caused to Narutos arm,
Ok, here is where you fail. Naruto only suffered a BROKEN ARM. Now, we have no idea how much damage Konohomaru has done to Naraka, due to Naraka's tanking abilities. We can assume that he has done some damage, due to Naraka getting knocked out by the Force of the attack, and the attack itself. So, we don't know how much internal damage has been done. Also, due to Naraka being a corpse, most if not all of the Rasengan's affects will barely affect Naraka himself. In other words, Naraka has shown a tanking feat, being able to tank a point, blank Rasengan into his back.

However, Ino has yet to show ANY tanking feats of ANY kind during Part 2. This proves that Naraka's durability>>>>>>Ino's durability. More so, Konohomaru's Rasengan will do devestating damage to Ino's body, due to Ino's poor durability and lack of tanking feats.

Ino healing Naruto's arm is invalid. Your claim does not prove that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her organs, muscle tissu, and bones. Prove to me that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. Prove to me that Ino can tank a Rasengan. Prove to me that Ino has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. Unless you bring me proof to support your claims, then your claims remain invalid.

[ and again - I'm not asking what the rasengan does, I know the entire life story of the rasengan now].

As I have clearly proved here: " Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells.
You don't understand the concept of the Kyuubi don't you? The Kyuubi no Kitsune has an extraordinary healing rate. He is able to heal Naruto's injuries in a matter of seconds. For example, the Kyuubi no Kitsune was able to heal Naruto's lung in just 2-3 Panels. More so, while Naruto was in KN4, the Kyuubi no Kitsune destroyed Naruto's cells and replaced them with his own at a alarming rate. Although Naruto wasn't in any of his Kyuubi Forms, we do know that the Kyuubi's healing factor plays a role in Naruto's healing abilities. The Kyuubi Fox's chakra was able to heal the majority of Naruto's cells, due to its alarming healing rate. Naruto only suffered a broken arm. Unless you show me proof from the Manga that Naruto has suffered much more than a broken arm, then your claim remains invalid.

Now, I'm not going to provide more info, because if I do, then you'll lose so badly, you won't be able to look at your computer for weeks, so it's best if I don't list down the info right away.
And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that "
I've proven this claim wrong so many times, it's not even funny. Look above for the answer.
Now, if you can provide me proof of Konos rasengan dealing ANY significant damage to someone who wasn't knocked out from being smashed into a wall, and actually dealing internal damage, I'll happily concede to your arguement.
Can you provide me proof of Ino tanking ANY attacks ANYWHERE near as deadly as Konohomaru's Rasengan? Can you provide me proof that Ino can heal internal damage done to her organs, muscle tissue, and bones? Can you provide me proof that Ino has enough chakra to heal all of her internal damage done to her body?

Yeah. Konohomaru impaling Naraka with the Rasengan. We don't know how badly Konohomaru injured Naraka, but we do know that he has done good damage to his body. While he may not have damaged his bones, it's most likely that Konohomaru badly damaged his muscle tissue, as well as his organs. Now, can you disprove this claim?
10] Naruto wasn't in Kyuubi form and never regened - stop making things up.
I never claimed that Naruto was in Kyuubi Form. Learn to read my posts, before you open your mouth. I said that the Kyuubi Fox amplified Naruto's healing abilities with its chakra. The next time you want to put words in my mouth, make sure you come up with a better argument than this.
You said in your last post Konohamaru can make a dozen or so Kage Bunshins,
No I didn't. Stop making things up.
he can't make anywhere near that. I've proved Naruto took more damage than a broken arm.
No, you haven't. I've proven this claim wrong, by using logic and common knowledge. The Kyuubi Fox's chakra played a role in healing Naruto's injuries. Unless you can prove to me that the Kyuubi Fox DIDN'T heal Naruto's cells, then your claims are invalid.
Ino has never outsmarted a powerful enemy, but she's outsmarted a smart enemy - Sakura, go find the chapter yourself.
Sakura has shown no strategic feats throughout Part 1. Proof she did.
Kono has outsmarted a retard who stared at a wall for several seconds.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again miss.
And proof as to why rasengan doesn't take up large amounts of chakra? The proof is: There is no proof to prove it does.
There is no proof to prove it doesn't. Besides, it's an A-Rank Technique, which requires a lot of chakra to create. You mold a high density of chakra into your hand, and you hit someone with it. A regular Genin can't perform this Technique, because their chakra reserves are too small. Therefore, I've proven my claim right.
And that BS about it being made to take Transformation chakra to high level isn't a reason either.
Actually it is. You just don't understand the concept of
Better taijutsu,
BL. Ino won't use her Taijutsu skills. Unless you have proof that she does.
better smarts,
Proven wrong by me.
better evasion,
Kage Bunshin no Jutsu. Rasengan.
she can heal back from any of his jutsu,
Proven wrong by me. Many times over.
a distance that suits her better and the ability to counter anything he does.
Proven wrong by me.
Ino has this, and no quadruple Kage Bunshin or double rasengan which either miss or are healed back from are doing crap.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again miss.
And just so you know ma'dear, post farming,
Never did that. You're in denial.
flaming, wanking
Never wanked. I provided solid and concrete proof. The only thing I'm guilty of is flaming, while you're guilty of trolling and wanking.
and ignoring my
valid points don't make you pwn anything.
They were invalid. I've proven them wrong many times over miss.
They just increase your chances of being punished. And before you say it, whether you care about this punishment or not is really of no interest to me, I'm just letting you know before you persist <3
Yeah, that's great. Too bad you've lost.
Not only have you trolled, you've also wanked on Ino uncontrollably, without any source of proof that Ino can tank a Rasengan. Unless you provide this proof, then you won't win against me.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 07:38 PM
I'm not done yet LT. I've decided to provide you the info that will definitely prove your claim wrong.

Miles Edgeworth
01-07-2011, 07:59 PM
Honestly I'd say Kono takes this. Ino hasn't shown much that would allow her to actually beat Kono and I really don't see how Ino can take a Rasengan, even if it's Kono's.

1] Konos rasengan REGARDLESS of what Minato, Naruto, and Jiraiyas rasengans do, inflict or what they're intended to do, are much more powerful than his. And no, I am not asking for an explanation of how rasengan works, you've given me like 8 of those already. It hit Naraka, pushed him backwards and knocked him out as he smashed against a wall.

2] Konohamaru has shown almost no speed whatsoever. He wouldn't have hit Naraka with his slow ass jutsu should he been looking at Kono. And his Kage bunshin was a basic trick anyone with Kage Bunshin could've performed. Not impressive, only impressive thing was him learning the jutsu.

3] Kono can make Kage Bunshins, Kage Bunshins use up his chakra quickly. Him being a Genin and having little feats mean he has little chakra. He can't make very many. 4 tops. I doubt any more than 2 rasengans.

4] They start at 50 metres. Inos jutsu = long ranged and travels in straight line, and Konos = close range and travels in straight line. And yes, I'm aware of all Mind Transfers flaws, no need to explain that again. Kono can't move left/right/up/down as he's using rasengan - only forwards, no proof otherwise. so if Ino launches Mind Transfer at him while he runs forwards he's toast.

5] Ino can counter any tools he has with her own. And since Naraka, who is not built for combat or tanking attacks, managed to take a rasengan and not deal any after effects, I've no doubt healing fixes the job up. Cba going into further detail, this is like, the 80th time I've said this.

6] Inos taijutsu is at least somewhat better than Konohamarus. Ino reacted to smoke bombs used by Human Path, and saw him appear before anyone else. Kono ain't surprise attacking her, and none of his attacks are as fast as smoke bomb explosion, except maybe shunshin - but Ino has that too so, thats useless.

7] With these reaction feats, chances Kono hits her are low. Furthermore, with her healing abilities which you have ignored with a retarded comment of ' Thats nice ' and then went back to your random rasengan trivia, she can withstand its effects.

8] Naraka never tanked anything before the rasengan
Konohamaru never hit anything with rasengan before Naraka
Assuming Naraka is a beastly tanker because he took an attack which did little damage to him, even though it had no previous feats is stupid.
The attack itself was noted to be weaker than Narutos, Jiraiyas etc. suggesting it to be a weak attack

9] Rank doesn't mean crap. Ino doesn't need to tank an A Ranked attack to tank this attack. I don't care if rasengan is an A Ranked jutsu, the damage Konos one caused is less than what RS caused to Narutos arm,[ and again - I'm not asking what the rasengan does, I know the entire life story of the rasengan now]. As I have clearly proved here: " Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells. And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that " Now, if you can provide me proof of Konos rasengan dealing ANY significant damage to someone who wasn't knocked out from being smashed into a wall, and actually dealing internal damage, I'll happily concede to your arguement.

10] Naruto wasn't in Kyuubi form and never regened - stop making things up. You said in your last post Konohamaru can make a dozen or so Kage Bunshins, he can't make anywhere near that. I've proved Naruto took more damage than a broken arm. Ino has never outsmarted a powerful enemy, but she's outsmarted a smart enemy - Sakura, go find the chapter yourself. Kono has outsmarted a retard who stared at a wall for several seconds. And proof as to why rasengan doesn't take up large amounts of chakra? The proof is: There is no proof to prove it does. And that BS about it being made to take Transformation chakra to high level isn't a reason either.

Better taijutsu, better smarts, better evasion, she can heal back from any of his jutsu, a distance that suits her better and the ability to counter anything he does. Ino has this, and no quadruple Kage Bunshin or double rasengan which either miss or are healed back from are doing crap.


1. Well Jiraiya, Minato, and Naruto are all leagues above Kono so that's to be expected.

2. While that may be true, Ino hasn't shown much impressive speed herself. I wouldn't say that keeping up with Sakura was a very amazing reaction feat. Bunshin feint is also known to trick a lotta people, even Kakuzu fell for it.

3. One Rasengan would be enough to take out Ino.

4. While that is true, I heavily doubt it would be in Ino's interest to try and use Mind Transfer from a long distance considering how conspicuous it is and the fact that Kono could certainly dodge. If it misses then she's screwed. As for Kono moving in other directions with Rasengan, why wouldn't he be able to? Does some little orb of chakra somehow impede Kono's movements in other directions beside forward in spite of no evidence proving such?

5. The thing about Naraka is that he's basically a corpse. Rasengan's best effect proves pretty much useless on a corpse that does not function through basic bodily functions. Unless Naruto has PNJ on his side, in which it does, but that's a different story.

6. Reacting to smoke bombs doesn't mean much considering how conspicuous they are and Ino was with a bunch of fodder, it doesn't show very much.

7. I'd say Ino's reaction feats aren't much better than Kono's.

8. Naraka is a corpse, and again, comparing Kono's Rasengan to Naruto or Jiraiya does nothing considering the vast difference between their skill levels.

9. Ino healed that? I vaguely remember but I don't think that it was entirely due to her efforts, although I would have to go back to the manga and check on that. Even then, it takes time to heal an injury and Kono wouldn't dawdle, plus it's a different case since Ino would be damaged herself and wouldn't be able to heal right away after being hit by the attack. With her organs being severely damaged and all I would say it would be pretty hard for her to get back up and start healing normally from it.

10. Outsmarting Sakura in combat isn't very impressive because even if you have book smarts, your combat intelligence is not the same, considering how Sakura was useless before Chunin Exams and nigh-useless before Shippuden. I wouldn't consider Pain a retard either and unless each path has a different brain now, the same guy controls all of them. Naraka just got tricked by Bunshin feint, which has been known to troll a lot of people.

mikeiskewl922
01-07-2011, 08:08 PM
I don't understand Tyrell, at 50 meters, how is Kono ever going to reach Ino, let alone hit her?

He could create a Kage Bunshin and create a Rasengan, but is Ino going to stand and twidle her thumbs while he charges? I don't think so.
-First thing she could do, set up a Rope Trap to make Kono run into, becuase he has to run forward to reach her, correct?
-Second: While he's charging, she throws numerous kunai or shuriken, that way it will hit the clone and Kono, unless Kono decides to stop the jutsu to move. Then once the clone os out of the way, and Kono is makeing a new one, Ino could use Mind Transfer, or pretend to miss will Mind Transfer.
-If she choses to use it: Kono will be busy making his clone and Rasengan, and more likely gets hit. Then Ino procedes to blow him up. If she misses, then there is the trap that will be set up in front of her that Kono would run straight into. Afterwords, Ino gets her soul back and stabs his face with a kunai.
-If she choses to fake him out, let's say she uses this for times sake. She proceedes to fake Kono out. Kono thinks that she missed and walks or runs up to her, Rasengan in hand, he gets caught in the Chakra Rope Trap, Ino uses her MT Jutsu and blows Kono to pieces.
If Kono finds the trap and avoids it, Ino gets up and quickly dodges the Reasengan which will be in front of her. How will she dodge it? Like she dodged the huge explosive blast sent towards her from Kakuzu.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 08:27 PM
I don't understand Tyrell, at 50 meters, how is Kono ever going to reach Ino, let alone hit her?
By running, and with the use of Kage Bunshin no Jutsu.
He could create a Kage Bunshin and create a Rasengan, but is Ino going to stand and twidle her thumbs while he charges? I don't think so.
Ino will most likely try to use her Mind Transfer Technique, to aim for Konohomaru. However, if she doesn't aim properly for Konohomaru, she won't be able to return back into her body for a few minutes.
-First thing she could do, set up a Rope Trap to make Kono run into, becuase he has to run forward to reach her, correct?
Proof she has a Rope Trap.
-Second: While he's charging, she throws numerous kunai or shuriken, that way it will hit the clone and Kono, unless Kono decides to stop the jutsu to move.
Proof of number of shuriken, proof of aim, proof of precision. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.
Then once the clone os out of the way, and Kono is makeing a new one, Ino could use Mind Transfer, or pretend to miss will Mind Transfer.
Ha. No. Kage Bunshin no Jutsu takes little to no prep time. Konohomaru will destract Ino, and trick Ino into thinking she has the real Konohomaru.
-If she choses to use it: Kono will be busy making his clone and Rasengan, and more likely gets hit.
Again, Konohomaru will create Kage Bunshins for destractions, and use a Kage Bunshin to help him form a Rasengan.
Then Ino procedes to blow him up. If she misses, then there is the trap that will be set up in front of her that Kono would run straight into.
Proof she has a trap. Proof that Ino blows him up.
Afterwords, Ino gets her soul back and stabs his face with a kunai.
Proof she does that, before she gets Rasenganed in the face.
-If she choses to fake him out, let's say she uses this for times sake.
Enlighten me.
She proceedes to fake Kono out.
Proof she fakes Kono out.
Kono thinks that she missed and walks or runs up to her, Rasengan in hand, he gets caught in the Chakra Rope Trap, Ino uses her MT Jutsu and blows Kono to pieces.
Proof that Ino is intelligent enough to do all of that.
If Kono finds the trap and avoids it, Ino gets up and quickly dodges the Reasengan which will be in front of her. How will she dodge it? Like she dodged the huge explosive blast sent towards her from Kakuzu.
Again, proof that Ino is intelligent enough to do all of that. And can you show me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of Ino dodging a huge explosive blast from Kakuzu?

mikeiskewl922
01-07-2011, 08:49 PM
By Rope Trap, i meant Chakra Rope Trap, or the Hair thing she used against Sakura.

By running, and with the use of Kage Bunshin no Jutsu.

He is going to run 50 meters with Kage Bunshins using up his chakra without Ino hitting them with any projectiles or anything?

Ino will most likely try to use her Mind Transfer Technique, to aim for Konohomaru. However, if she doesn't aim properly for Konohomaru, she won't be able to return back into her body for a few minutes.

Or, she would set up a Chakra Rope Trap in front of her, while Kono is charging 50 meters.

Proof: Chakra Rope Trap* and when she fought Sakura in the Chuunin Exams.
Proof for Shuriken: She deflected Sakura's shuriken nearly perfectly, and Sakura commented on Ino's presicion IIRC. She is also a Medic, so she has to have improved precision from that. For number, how many clones can Kono prepare with his imited chakra supply, plus he is using a Rasengan.

Ha. No. Kage Bunshin no Jutsu takes little to no prep time. Konohomaru will destract Ino, and trick Ino into thinking she has the real Konohomaru.

Very possible, but Ino would attempt to hit the clone with her kunai or shuriken, or lure it into the CRT (Chakra Rope Trap).

Again, Konohomaru will create Kage Bunshins for destractions, and use a Kage Bunshin to help him form a Rasengan.

Again, how many clones can Kono make while also making a Rasengan. And at 50 meters, Ino is even more likely to stop the clone and the real Kono.

Proof she has a trap. Proof that Ino blows him up. Proof she does that, before she gets Rasenganed in the face.

CRT
She attaches explosive paper to kunai, throws it next to a trapped Kono and it blows him up.
Kono will be trapped, so no Rasengan to the face.

Proof she fakes Kono out. Proof that Ino is intelligent enough to do all of that.

Well, if a BL Kono see's Ino sprawled on the floor, looking lifeless, what do you think he will do?
Ino did it once already in the Chuiunin Exams when she fought Sakura.

As for the explosive blast, didnt Kakuzu use his Searing Migrane and that makes a huge explosive like blast and Ino, Shika, Choji and Kakashi all had to jump out of its path?

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 08:55 PM
The arms contain blood vessels, muscle tissus, muscle, skin and bones.

Our blood vessels, which contains blood within our body contains cells. The blood contains white blood cells and red blood cells. Red blood cells carry oxygen to body tissue, as well as the lungs to circulate breathing throughout the body. White blood cells attack and kill bacteria and microorganisms which causes infections. If all the blood cells were destroyed in a few seconds, the portion of the oxygen won't be carried throughout the body. This will ensure the victim breathing problems.

Cells are known to heal wounds. White blood cells attack and kill these microorganisms which infects the wound. At the same time, connective tissue cells remodel the wound, and heal it completely.

Now, some of our bones contain bone marrow. Bone Marrow are constantly producing bone cells, which help repair any bone loss, or broken bones, due to extremely dangerous activity. If all of the bone cells were destroyed, the bones won't be able to grow or repair. Now, here's the tricky part LT. Due to the limited damage suffered on Naruto's arm after he used the Rasenshuriken on Kakuzu, it's doubtful that the wind blades penetrated through the bones. However, due the the Chakra Pathway System containing cells, Naruto was still able to suffer from cellular damage; the majority of his cells were destroyed. However, Naruto has suffered no breathing problems, and the only thing he has suffered was a broken arm. The Kyuubi's chakra accelerated his healing rate, when he used the Rasenshuriken against Kakuzu. It also regenerated most of his cells, and Ino healed the rest of his injuries. However, since you have yet to prove to me that Ino can heal internal damage done to her organs, then you've lost Lady Tsunade.

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 09:02 PM
By Rope Trap, i meant Chakra Rope Trap, or the Hair thing she used against Sakura.
Konohomaru uses Kage Bunshin to replace himself with the clone.


He is going to run 50 meters with Kage Bunshins using up his chakra without Ino hitting them with any projectiles or anything?
Konohomaru is wielded with shuriken and kunai. Him and his Kage Bunshins will throws shuriken and kunai at Ino, which she won't be able to dodge.


Or, she would set up a Chakra Rope Trap in front of her, while Kono is charging 50 meters.
Proof that would work.
Proof: Chakra Rope Trap* and when she fought Sakura in the Chuunin Exams.
Proof that Kono's plan won't work.
Proof for Shuriken: She deflected Sakura's shuriken nearly perfectly, and Sakura commented on Ino's presicion IIRC.
Proof she can block shuriken from Kono as well as his clones.
She is also a Medic, so she has to have improved precision from that. For number, how many clones can Kono prepare with his imited chakra supply, plus he is using a Rasengan.
Proof of Ino tanking any type of powerful Jutsu.


Very possible, but Ino would attempt to hit the clone with her kunai or shuriken, or lure it into the CRT (Chakra Rope Trap).
While she does that, she gets Rasenganed in the face.


Again, how many clones can Kono make while also making a Rasengan.
We have no idea. It's safe to conclude that Kono can make a good bunch of him, due to his large chakra reserves.
And at 50 meters, Ino is even more likely to stop the clone and the real Kono.
Ha. No. Not when she's destracted.


CRT
She attaches explosive paper to kunai, throws it next to a trapped Kono and it blows him up.
Ha. No. Kage Bunshin.
Kono will be trapped, so no Rasengan to the face.

Ha. No. Kage Bunshin.

Well, if a BL Kono see's Ino sprawled on the floor, looking lifeless, what do you think he will do?
Curbstomp her in the face.
Ino did it once already in the Chuiunin Exams when she fought Sakura.
And?
As for the explosive blast, didnt Kakuzu use his Searing Migrane and that makes a huge explosive like blast and Ino, Shika, Choji and Kakashi all had to jump out of its path?
Manga Chapter and Page Number, or the claim is invalid.

Kuromaki
01-07-2011, 09:04 PM
Just to answer Tyrell's question, it's at the start of Chapter 335

tyrell4life194
01-07-2011, 09:25 PM
Hmm, this proves to be more difficult. Ino was able to react to Kakuzu's blast.

Miles Edgeworth
01-07-2011, 10:50 PM
Kakuzu's elemental blasts are easy to dodge though considering they aren't extremely fast and you can see them prepping.

Noctis Arashi
01-07-2011, 10:59 PM
Bloodlust means ino goes for MTJ, misses and is stuck there as she gets a rassengan to the face.

Kuromaki
01-07-2011, 11:56 PM
Kakuzu's elemental blasts are easy to dodge though considering they aren't extremely fast and you can see them prepping.
I know but the flames cover a wide range. It's probably not going to give Ino much of an advantage.
Bloodlust means ino goes for MTJ, misses and is stuck there as she gets a rassengan to the face.
What can Ino do with MTJ anyway... It's more of a strategic jutsu so I don't think she would go for that knowing the risks of it.

Miles Edgeworth
01-08-2011, 01:57 AM
I know but the flames cover a wide range. It's probably not going to give Ino much of an advantage.


True, the prep time required for the flames would make them nigh-useless if used alone but when used right they can be useful.

ItachixKisame
01-08-2011, 03:12 AM
Kakuzu's elemental blasts are easy to dodge though considering they aren't extremely fast and you can see them prepping.

You can also see Kono prepping his rasengan

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 08:16 AM
However, Kono can summon Kage Bunshins to destract Ino. I've explained this to LT many times over, but all she has done was wank and wank on Ino. Ino only healed maybe a few billion cells. However, the Rasengan can destroy internal organs, muscle tissue, and bones. The Rasengan can cause MUCH more damage than a Rasenshuriken, which has done limited cellular damage to Naruto's arm. In other words, it's highly unlikely that all of Naruto's cells in his arm were destroyed. The Kyuubi's chakra also played a role in Naruto's healing abilities. The Kyuubi Fox healed the majority of Naruto's cells, and Naruto only came back with a broken arm. Now, LT has refused to provide me proof from the Manga that Ino can tank a Rasengan. She refused to provide me proof from the Manga that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her muscle tissue, organs, and bones. She refused to provide me proof from the Manga that Ino has enough chakra to heal all of the internal damage done to her body. This is the reason why she has lost the debate against me.

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 08:51 AM
You just randomly assumed Konos rasengan could inflict that damage. Just cause Narutos can doesn't mean his can. His can inflict internal damage presumably but theres never been evidence of just what internal damage it inflicts, and to what degree it inflicts damage, since its only target was Naraka. He took no damage other than being slammed into a wall and being knocked out for a short while.

All I said was Ino can heal back that damage, since she's healed far worse. You assumed base Naruto could regen from the damage dealt to his arm, even though he's never done so before. In short, I didn't wank. So please don't accuse me of such.

Ha, guess I did have another post in me :L

Kuromaki
01-08-2011, 09:16 AM
You know it's much better if Ino just dodges the technique instead of standing there and trying to tank it.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 09:19 AM
You just randomly assumed Konos rasengan could inflict that damage.
Because he can.
Just cause Narutos can doesn't mean his can.
And just because Naruto's can doesn't mean his can't.
His can inflict internal damage presumably but theres never been evidence of just what internal damage it inflicts,
Naruto Wikia. Try again miss.
and to what degree it inflicts damage, since its only target was Naraka. He took no damage other than being slammed into a wall and being knocked out for a short while.
Want to know why? Naraka is a corpse. Most if not all of the Rasengan's affects will have little to no affect on Naraka. However, it's the opposite when it comes to a live human being. A live human being are susceptible to internal damage done to their body, if they were hit forcefully enough to devestate their body to the point of paralysis, coma, and/or death. More so, Naraka has excellent tanking abilities. However, Ino has yet to show any tanking feats throughout Part 2. Stop repeating the same crap over and over again. The more you try, the more I'm going to stomp your ass.
All I said was Ino can heal back that damage, since she's healed far worse.
The Kyuubi's chakra healed the majority of the cells. A Rasengan inflicts internal damage to the organs, muscle tissue, and bones. Prove to me that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. Prove to me that Ino can tank a Rasengan. Prove to me that Ino has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.
You assumed base Naruto could regen from the damage dealt to his arm, even though he's never done so before.
A regular cut heals in about a week. If ointment is applied onto the wound, then the cut will heal in about a few days. However, after Naruto first fought against Kiba, Naruto's cut was healed in a matter of seconds. This proves that while in Base Form, Naruto's healing ability is amplified with the use of the Kyuubi's chakra. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.
In short, I didn't wank. So please don't accuse me of such.
Yeah you did. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino can tank a Rasengan. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino has the required reaction speed, necessary to counter, block, and/or dodge every single kunai and/or shuriken from Konohomaru, as well as his Kage Bunshins. You've failed to provide proof that Ino will use her speed and Taijutsu skills to end the fight. That my friend, is called wanking.
Ha, guess I did have another post in me :L
Too bad you've lost.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 09:20 AM
You know it's much better if Ino just dodges the technique instead of standing there and trying to tank it.
While she's destracted? I don't think so.

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 10:37 AM
Tyrell, stop trolling. This is a verbal warning.

Secondly, Ino would not stupidly stand there and purposely get hit by the Rasengan. Considering the Naraka Path was standing still and Konohamaru has shown several times that he lacks grace, Ino could probably dodge the Rasengan. Konohamaru also lacks the chakra reserve to constantly make the Rasengan, unlike Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato. Konohamaru could attempt to trick Ino with some Shadow Clones, but Ino is also good with traps and trickery. Unless Konohamaru traps Ino, I do not see how he wins this.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 10:48 AM
Tyrell, stop trolling. This is a verbal warning.
As long as she stops wanking and trolling.
Secondly, Ino would not stupidly stand there and purposely get hit by the Rasengan.
I guess you don't understand the meaning of bloodlust? Due to being BL, Ino will most likely use the Mind Transfer Technique to finish Konohomaru off. As we all know, she can use the Technique to aim for a specific target, in this case, Konohomaru. However, due to Konohomaru using Kage Bunshin, Ino won't know if the Konohomaru she traps is the real or the fake Konohomaru.
Considering the Naraka Path was standing still and Konohamaru has shown several times that he lacks grace, Ino could probably dodge the Rasengan.
Naraka was standing still, because he was surprised that Konohomaru was just a Kage Bunshin, enabling Konohomaru enough time for him to form a Rasengan, with the help of a Kage Bunshin, and inflict damage onto Naraka.
Konohamaru also lacks the chakra reserve to constantly make the Rasengan, unlike Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato.
He won't need to make the Rasengan many times over. While his chakra reserves are rather large, Konohomaru won't be able to form the Rasengan a multitude of times. He will most likely form the Rasengan 2 or maybe even 3 times at the very best, until he risks suffering from chakra exhaustion. He will create a few Kage Bunshins to trick Ino, long enough for him to form a Rasengan, and inflict devestating damage onto her.
Konohamaru could attempt to trick Ino with some Shadow Clones, but Ino is also good with traps and trickery. Unless Konohamaru traps Ino, I do not see how he wins this.
I do. While Ino is good with traps and trickery, due to having no knowledge, Ino won't know whether she has trapped the real or the fake Konohomaru. It's most likely that it will be a Kage Bunshin. Ino will be surprised for a few seconds, before realizing that it was just a Kage Bunshin. Konohomaru comes from behind, and deals a blow onto Ino.

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 11:01 AM
Are characters unaware of opposing abilities by default?

Kuromaki
01-08-2011, 11:03 AM
In this case, yes, since neither Konohamaru nor Ino have seen each other in action. They have the knowledge that they have of each other in the manga.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 11:10 AM
You know riduculous as this match up is Ino would die based on feats. Fact is Konohamaru would be an extremly hard person for her to fight. He isn't exactly slow considering he summoned a clone and switched it out before pain could notice. Thats better than anything Ino did in the manga. Though if anime feats was allowed here she would stomp.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 11:18 AM
Anime is non canon.

But if we do go by Anime, then I won't know who will win.

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 11:31 AM
You know it's much better if Ino just dodges the technique instead of standing there and trying to tank it.

Yaya. I know, I'm just trying to prove Konos rasengan isn't all high and mighty. She reacted to smoke bombs, and saw Human along with the ANBU guard before anyone else[good..eh..observation skills? :lol:] So Konohamaru, who has shown no speed, should be easily dodged. Particulary when he has to run 50 metres, and she has aaall that time to see him.

And just because Naruto's can doesn't mean his can't.

But, theres no proof of Konos rasengan dealing any internal damage, or at least, anywhere near as much internal damage as it Narutos does. Adding on the fact that its small its power is bound to weaker. Unless you have proof of Konohamarus rasengan inflicting lots of internal damage?

Naruto Wikia. Try again miss.

Naruto wikias innaccurate. Try a different source of information. And if you are going to use the inaccurate wikia, then at least look up Konohamarus rasengan, not the one based of the damage Narutos has done.

Want to know why? Naraka is a corpse. Most if not all of the Rasengan's affects will have little to no affect on Naraka. However, it's the opposite when it comes to a live human being. A live human being are susceptible to internal damage done to their body, if they were hit forcefully enough to devestate their body to the point of paralysis, coma, and/or death. More so, Naraka has excellent tanking abilities. However, Ino has yet to show any tanking feats throughout Part 2. Stop repeating the same crap over and over again. The more you try, the more I'm going to stomp your ass.

You just totally contradicted yourself there. Apparently because Naraka is a corpse, rasengan will have no effect on it. So therefore it being hit by Konohamarus rasengan and not recieving much damage means he has exellent tanking feats? Wut? That makes no sense. Konohamarus rasengan has never inflicted internal damage, or enough internal damage to make it noticable. Ino doesn't need tanking feats, she's got great healing. I will continue to repeat this until you stop with the ' Konos rasengan inflicts huge internal damage and will stomp her because it hit Naraka and smashed him into a wall knocking him out, and thus him not recieving much damage makes him a tank ' stuff. And btw, us repeating this stuff, is why I said you were post farming. And it looks now like I'm being made to also.

The Kyuubi's chakra healed the majority of the cells. A Rasengan inflicts internal damage to the organs, muscle tissue, and bones. Prove to me that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. Prove to me that Ino can tank a Rasengan. Prove to me that Ino has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.

Proof Kyuubi chakra healed damage done to his arm. I don't recall the Kyuubi ever healing him without its chakra shroud surrounding his body first. Yes A rasengan does that. Does Konohamarus rasengan which is weaker than the average rasengan inflict that damage? Because its never shown to inflict much.

A regular cut heals in about a week. If ointment is applied onto the wound, then the cut will heal in about a few days. However, after Naruto first fought against Kiba, Naruto's cut was healed in a matter of seconds. This proves that while in Base Form, Naruto's healing ability is amplified with the use of the Kyuubi's chakra. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.

Oh dear god. Please don't tell me you're comparing a cut to the cellular damage of RS? Also, do give me a manga reference of where Naruto magically regenerates, I have failed to find it during his fight with Kiba. And even if we did assume the cut regen'd, how can you assume it was by the Kyuubi?

Yeah you did. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino can tank a Rasengan. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. You've failed to provide proof from the Manga that Ino has the required reaction speed, necessary to counter, block, and/or dodge every single kunai and/or shuriken from Konohomaru, as well as his Kage Bunshins. You've failed to provide proof that Ino will use her speed and Taijutsu skills to end the fight. That my friend, is called wanking.

Don't need to, she can heal instead. All the internal damage? What internal damage, Konos rasengan has inflicted almost none. If you want me provide proof that Ino could dodge/block a kunai then you obviously haven't read the manga. Any ninja can dodge or block a shuriken or kunai at 50 metres. Ino has shown basic tai against Sakura - and going by your standards of if they haven't shown it on panel they can't do it, then Konohamaru has no taijutsu and thus gets owned. Of course, that isn't the case. Konohamaru, like any ninja was trained in the academy and thus has a basic degree of tai at least. Same with Ino, except she's had 3 years to develop it, and she's a Chunin, and thus - must have at least somewhat better tai. I have constantly give you manga proof, her fight with Sakura, her reaction of smoke bombs by Human Path, her healing during the Kakuzu arc, I haven't given you manga references, if thats what you mean.

Too bad you've lost.

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tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Yaya. I know, I'm just trying to prove Konos rasengan isn't all high and mighty. She reacted to smoke bombs, and saw Human along with the ANBU guard before anyone else[good..eh..observation skills? :lol:] So Konohamaru, who has shown no speed, should be easily dodged. Particulary when he has to run 50 metres, and she has aaall that time to see him.



But, theres no proof of Konos rasengan dealing any internal damage, or at least, anywhere near as much internal damage as it Narutos does. Adding on the fact that its small its power is bound to weaker. Unless you have proof of Konohamarus rasengan inflicting lots of internal damage?


Although Konohomaru didn't inflict enough internal damage onto Naraka's body, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan, did in fact, inflicted internal damage into his body. If an object applies enough force onto a human body, the human body will suffer internal damage. Due to Konohomaru's speed, he applied Force onto his Rasengan, and used his Rasengan to impale Naraka with. With enough force, Konohomaru damaged some of Naraka's bones (not to the brink of breaking), muscle tissue, and organs (not a lot, due to him barely feeling any pain, and having great tanking ability, which Ino has never shown).

Naruto wikias innaccurate. Try a different source of information. And if you are going to use the inaccurate wikia, then at least look up Konohamarus rasengan, not the one based of the damage Narutos has done.
Wow, I can see you don't know much about Naruto Wikia. While it isn't completely accurate, it is the best website out there that has info on almost every Technique, Kekkei Genkai, Dojutsu, Clans, etc. out there. More so, it explains the Rasengan overall. It states that the Rasengan inflict internal damage to the body, regardless whether the Rasengan is weak or not. How about you learn some knowledge about the Rasengan, then come back at me.


You just totally contradicted yourself there. Apparently because Naraka is a corpse, rasengan will have no effect on it. So therefore it being hit by Konohamarus rasengan and not recieving much damage means he has exellent tanking feats? Wut? That makes no sense.
You misread my comments. When I said that the Rasengan's affects won't affect Naraka, I meant that it won't cause him any pain. However, the Rasengan still inflicted damage onto Naraka, but it's unlikely that Naraka felt any pain, due to him being a corpse.
Konohamarus rasengan has never inflicted internal damage, or enough internal damage to make it noticable.
Proof that Konohomaru's Rasengan has never inflicted internal damage. Don't have any? No? Invalid.

Although Konohomaru didn't inflict enough internal damage onto Naraka's body, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan, did in fact, inflicted internal damage into his body. If an object applies enough force onto a human body, the human body will suffer internal damage. Due to Konohomaru's speed, he applied Force onto his Rasengan, and used his Rasengan to impale Naraka with. With enough force, Konohomaru damaged some of Naraka's bones (not to the brink of breaking), muscle tissue, and organs (not a lot, due to him barely feeling any pain, and having great tanking ability, which Ino has never shown).
Ino doesn't need tanking feats, she's got great healing.
Proof that Ino can heal internal damage done to her body. Proo
I will continue to repeat this until you stop with the ' Konos rasengan inflicts huge internal damage and will stomp her because it hit Naraka and smashed him into a wall knocking him out, and thus him not recieving much damage makes him a tank ' stuff.
And I will continue to repeat the post above until you stop with the 'Ino healed Naruto's injury caused by the Rasenshuriken. Ino doesn't need any tanking feats.' Until you provide proof to back up your claims, then your claims will always remain invalid.
And btw, us repeating this stuff, is why I said you were post farming. And it looks now like I'm being made to also.
You're also trolling and wanking.


Proof Kyuubi chakra healed damage done to his arm.
Proof Kyuubi chakra didn't healed damage done to his arm.

The Kyuubi no Kitsune's chakra amplified Naruto's healing ability, to help him heal his cells at an alarming rate. An example of the Kyuubi no Kitsune's chakra working on Naruto (in Base Form) is after the Naruto vs Kiba fight. It takes a regular cut to heal in about a week. If ointment is applied onto the wound, it takes the cut to heal in about a few days. Naruto's cut was healed in a matter of seconds. This was most likely due to the Kyuubi's chakra kicking in, and healilng any of his injuries, that were inflicted onto his body.
I don't recall the Kyuubi ever healing him without its chakra shroud surrounding his body first.
Right after the Naruto vs Kiba fight. Read it. Love it. Enhance it.
Yes A rasengan does that. Does Konohamarus rasengan which is weaker than the average rasengan inflict that damage? Because its never shown to inflict much.
Fail. Unless you provide me proof from the Manga of Ino's tanking abilities during Part 2, then there is no guarantee that while Konohomaru's Rasengan doesn't inflict as much internal damage as Naruto's, that Ino will be able to easily tank the Technique. I want you to provide me concrete evidence from the Manga. I want you to provide me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of Ino ever accomplishing this feat. If you can't provide proof to support your claim, then your claim remains invalid.



Oh dear god. Please don't tell me you're comparing a cut to the cellular damage of RS?
Of course. Because you know I'm right.
Also, do give me a manga reference of where Naruto magically regenerates, I have failed to find it during his fight with Kiba.
Not until you give me a Manga reference of where Ino magically tanked any type of Technique during Part 2. Either way, I don't have to provide any proof, if all of your claims remain invalid.
And even if we did assume the cut regen'd, how can you assume it was by the Kyuubi?
How can you assume it wasn't by the Kyuubi? And it's called logic and knowledge.



Don't need to, she can heal instead.
Proof she can heal all the internal damage done to her organs, muscle tissue, and bones. Proof she can tank a Rasengan. Proof she has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. If you can't provide proof to support your claims, then your claims remain invalid.
All the internal damage? What internal damage, Konos rasengan has inflicted almost none.
Proof that Kono inflicted almost no internal damage done to Naraka.
If you want me provide proof that Ino could dodge/block a kunai then you obviously haven't read the manga.
I actually have. I want you to provide me proof that she can block, counter, and/or dodge a multitude of shuriken being thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins at once.
Any ninja can dodge or block a shuriken or kunai at 50 metres.
Your opinion=/=fact. Try again. And you call yourself a great debater?
Ino has shown basic tai against Sakura - and going by your standards of if they haven't shown it on panel they can't do it, then Konohamaru has no taijutsu and thus gets owned.
Proof that Ino will use her Taijutsu skills while BL. Proof that Ino won't use her Mind Transfer Technique at the start of the battle, in order to take Konohomaru out.
Of course, that isn't the case. Konohamaru, like any ninja was trained in the academy and thus has a basic degree of tai at least.
Dur.
Same with Ino, except she's had 3 years to develop it, and she's a Chunin, and thus - must have at least somewhat better tai.
And?
I have constantly give you manga proof,
Hyperbole.
her fight with Sakura,
Invalid. Proven wrong by me.
her reaction of smoke bombs by Human Path,
Invalid. Proven wrong by me.
her healing during the Kakuzu arc, I haven't given you manga references, if thats what you mean.
Invalid. Proven wrong by me.


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You've lost badly.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 11:54 AM
Konohomaru uses Kage Bunshin to replace himself with the clone
What? No, Ino would throw a kunai at the clone.

Konohomaru is wielded with shuriken and kunai. Him and his Kage Bunshins will throws shuriken and kunai at Ino, which she won't be able to dodge.
She can deflect them, or dodge them. You even said how she reacted to Kakuzu's blast, then i'm pretty sure she was able to get outta the way. So i'm sure she could dodge a couple kunai or shuriken. Remember, they are still 50 meters apart.
If she does get hit by some wild chance, she heals herself.

Proof that would work.
Proof that Kono's plan won't work.
Proof she can block shuriken from Kono as well as his clones.
Proof of Ino tanking any type of powerful Jutsu.
-She put's a Chakra Rope Trap in fornt of her. While Kono is charging from 50 meters and making a Rasengan. Him being bloodlusted, would do all he could to get close to Ino, who will be behind her trap, and when he attempts to gwt close to hit her, he gets caught. And while he is charging, Ino is throing her kunai's and shuriken at the clones around him to take him out.
-What plan?
-His clones throw there weapons from 50 meters away and she has plenty of time to move out of the way or deflect them in some way.
-I never said she could. I meant that her being a Medic could give her better precision.

While she does that, she gets Rasenganed in the face.
No, while the clones and Kono are charging from 50 meters, Ino is also throwing her weapons at the clones. How many clones do you think that Kono can summon while charging 50 meters and leaving enough chakra for a Rasengan?

We have no idea. It's safe to conclude that Kono can make a good bunch of him, due to his large chakra reserves.
Ha. No. Not when she's destracted.
A bunch? So, maybe 10 or 15? Is that enoguh. Well, Kono and his 10-15 clones are charging Ino from 50 meters back, tossing kunai and shuriken. Ino, isn't going to sit and watch while those weapons travel 50 meters to hit her. She will simply move to a different spot, and while shes moving deflect some of Kono's weapon with her own.
And how are they going to distract her? With there weapons that Ino could easily dodge and deflect?
Plus, Kono doens't have THAT many kunai and shuriken, so i doubt that he will be able to keep throwing so many after a while.

Ha. No. Kage Bunshin.
Ha. No. Kage Bunshin.
Curbstomp her in the face.
And?
Okay, then Ino catches a KB in the trap. She throws a kunai into the clone and it poofs away, she quickly makes another. Then the real Kono, with a Rasengan and other clone charge at her. They charge and Ino tosses some kunai her way, then they stop for some unknown reason only to realize that either the fake or the real Kono is caught in the trap. Ino throws kunai at both.
-The clone is caught: that leaves only Ino, and a tired Kono. She throws a couple more kunai or shuriken. Kono would most likely get hit eventually, because what else can he do? He would be worn out from making all his clones, running 50 meters and making a Rasengan.
-The real Kono is caught: Ino tosses kunai at both and it hits the fake he poofs away. and probably hits Kono too. If it doesn't then whatever, he is still stuck in the Trap. She can toss kunai and shuriken at him, to be safe that it isn't a clone and eventually Kono will bleed to death.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 12:14 PM
He can make 1 clone, why can't she just throw a kunai at both of them, he hasn't shown great maneuvering feats with them.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 12:26 PM
Normally, I would agree, but at 50 meters, she would more likely throw a lot more, or as tyrell thinks that he had huge chakra reserves, and can make a lot.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 12:34 PM
Still don't see Ino winning this. Konohamaru damaged a body of pain each of which had extreme tanking power and were slaughtering jonin. Meaning human was tanking shots from jonin. Konahamaru rasengan crippled him. Far as speed goes reacted to a rush from human by switching with a clone and blitzing with a rasengan. ch 428 1-7 When has Ino showed any skill close to that? She always needs Choji and Shikamaru to use her jutsu. He can also make more than one clones as demonstrated in the chapter. He is way more skilled than Naruto was at his age if you actually pay attention to the chapter.

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 12:34 PM
I love you J-Sun.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 12:41 PM
Still don't see Ino winning this. Konohamaru damaged a body of pain each of which had extreme tanking power and were slaughtering jonin. Meaning human was tanking shots from jonin. Konahamaru rasengan crippled him. Far as speed goes reacted to a rush from human by switching with a clone and blitzing with a rasengan. ch 428 1-7 When has Ino showed any skill close to that? She always needs Choji and Shikamaru to use her jutsu. He can also make more than one clones as demonstrated in the chapter. He is way more skilled than Naruto was at his age if you actually pay attention to the chapter.
Human? We're talking about Naraka, the weakest of the Pain bodies. Any named character can take him out with a paperbomb.
I love you J-Sun.

<333

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 12:46 PM
This debate is getting good.

Anyways, I want all of you to show me proof of Ino's precision and accuracy. Proof of Ino's healing abilities. Proof of Ino's reaction speed of deflecting a multitude of kunai and shuriken thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins. I want to analyze the situation better.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 12:51 PM
Human? We're talking about Naraka, the weakest of the Pain bodies. Any named character can take him out with a paperbomb.


<333

I put human by mistake. Anyways since when he was still slaughtering jonin and chunin. Ebisu is still a jonin and has jonin level skills. Jiraiya and Pain were just that strong. Konohamaru not only dodged a blitz from pain he reacted to and wreck the body. That one feat alone proves he has faster reactions and is more skilled in combat than Ino. What does Ino have compared to that. Bring one scene out the entire manga proving Ino is a better fighter.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 12:51 PM
This debate is getting good.

Anyways, I want all of you to show me proof of Ino's precision and accuracy. Proof of Ino's healing abilities. Proof of Ino's reaction speed of deflecting a multitude of kunai and shuriken thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins. I want to analyze the situation better.

Proof of Kono's tanking abilities, Proof of HIS accuracy, proof of him deflecting multitudes of shuriken thrown by Ino and him being able to not get trapped by Ino's hair then have his mind taken over.

@DL: When did he ever dodge an attack? He picked up his clone then Konohamaru came at him with a Rasengan which Naraka just looked at, got hit, then go back up later perfectly fine.

Vivi
01-08-2011, 12:55 PM
Human? We're talking about Naraka, the weakest of the Pain bodies. Any named character can take him out with a paperbomb.



Naraka did dodge FRS so it's gotta be quite the fast Paperbomb.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 12:56 PM
Proof of Kono's tanking abilities, Proof of HIS accuracy, proof of him deflecting multitudes of shuriken thrown by Ino and him being able to not get trapped by Ino's hair then have his mind taken over.

@DL: When did he ever dodge an attack? He picked up his clone then Konohamaru came at him with a Rasengan which Naraka just looked at, got hit, then go back up later perfectly fine.

Chapter 428 pg 1 top panel Kono dodging the biltz kick from Naraku. Konahamaru dodged attacks from a jonin level fighter. On top of that he won. Thats a pretty impressive resume. What does Ino have on hers?

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 12:59 PM
Naraka did dodge FRS so it's gotta be quite the fast Paperbomb.
You're saying Konohamaru was moving at supersonic speeds?

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 12:59 PM
Although Konohomaru didn't inflict enough internal damage onto Naraka's body, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan, did in fact, inflicted internal damage into his body. If an object applies enough force onto a human body, the human body will suffer internal damage. Due to Konohomaru's speed, he applied Force onto his Rasengan, and used his Rasengan to impale Naraka with. With enough force, Konohomaru damaged some of Naraka's bones (not to the brink of breaking), muscle tissue, and organs (not a lot, due to him barely feeling any pain, and having great tanking ability, which Ino has never shown).

Yep. Inflicted internal damage, but since we never saw how much it did, and even saw that the person it hit, who wasn't in anyway built for combat, was barely injured. Then we can assume it didn't do much. For the millionth time, she doesn't need tanking feats, she can heal. Its not like shes going to be smashed into a wall, or even hit by the jutsu anyway. So, being knocked out is non factor.

Wow, I can see you don't know much about Naruto Wikia. While it isn't completely accurate, it is the best website out there that has info on almost every Technique, Kekkei Genkai, Dojutsu, Clans, etc. out there. More so, it explains the Rasengan overall. It states that the Rasengan inflict internal damage to the body, regardless whether the Rasengan is weak or not. How about you learn some knowledge about the Rasengan, then come back at me.

Thats nice. It can also be edited by ANYONE, you could go onto it right now and type whatever you want in. I don't really care how many KG or jutsu it has on it, or what amount of info it has on rasengan, that doesn't make all the info accurate. Quality>Quantity. Oh, I know all about it now, your endless Wikia stuff has given me the whole frikkin life story of the rasengan :L Which btw, I didn't ask for.

You misread my comments. When I said that the Rasengan's affects won't affect Naraka, I meant that it won't cause him any pain. However, the Rasengan still inflicted damage onto Naraka, but it's unlikely that Naraka felt any pain, due to him being a corpse.

Its true that Pein bodies don't seem to fail much pain, that or their pain threshold is excellent.

Proof that Konohomaru's Rasengan has never inflicted internal damage. Don't have any? No? Invalid.

Although Konohomaru didn't inflict enough internal damage onto Naraka's body, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan, did in fact, inflicted internal damage into his body. If an object applies enough force onto a human body, the human body will suffer internal damage. Due to Konohomaru's speed, he applied Force onto his Rasengan, and used his Rasengan to impale Naraka with. With enough force, Konohomaru damaged some of Naraka's bones (not to the brink of breaking), muscle tissue, and organs (not a lot, due to him barely feeling any pain, and having great tanking ability, which Ino has never shown).

Oh, I'm sure its inflicted some, rasengan inflicts internal damage, but Konohamarus has never inflicted any notable internal damage with it. So, assumptions of it being able to kill Ino with it IF it hits her, even though shes healed greater damage. Are to be ignored =]

And I will continue to repeat the post above until you stop with the 'Ino healed Naruto's injury caused by the Rasenshuriken. Ino doesn't need any tanking feats.' Until you provide proof to back up your claims, then your claims will always remain invalid.

Lawl. Kk. Re read this again " Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells. And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that " Now granted, damage done to Narutos what nwhere that of Kakuzus body, but it was still enough to deem his arm unsuable if he used the jutsu again, presumably through a form of necrosis. What damage did Konohamarus rasengan do? A little internal damage? And to what extent of the internal damage it caused, we don't know.

Proof Kyuubi chakra didn't healed damage done to his arm.

The Kyuubi no Kitsune's chakra amplified Naruto's healing ability, to help him heal his cells at an alarming rate. An example of the Kyuubi no Kitsune's chakra working on Naruto (in Base Form) is after the Naruto vs Kiba fight. It takes a regular cut to heal in about a week. If ointment is applied onto the wound, it takes the cut to heal in about a few days. Naruto's cut was healed in a matter of seconds. This was most likely due to the Kyuubi's chakra kicking in, and healilng any of his injuries, that were inflicted onto his body.

Proof that it didn't? Well there was no proof that it did in the first place, it was just a random assumption made by you. If that isn't enough proof then go look back at that chapter and try and find this so called regeneration.

Thats cool. I was looking for proof that Kyuubi regen'd him, now how it would do so. And a cut healing quickly isn't really that impressive.

Fail. Unless you provide me proof from the Manga of Ino's tanking abilities during Part 2, then there is no guarantee that while Konohomaru's Rasengan doesn't inflict as much internal damage as Naruto's, that Ino will be able to easily tank the Technique. I want you to provide me concrete evidence from the Manga. I want you to provide me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of Ino ever accomplishing this feat. If you can't provide proof to support your claim, then your claim remains invalid.

This again? ../facepalm
K. Give me proof of Konohamarus rasengan inflicting damage on par with Narutos. And please don't give a stupid comment of ' Prove that it doesn't inflict as much ' because frankly, you just make yourself look like and idiot. Its only ever hit Naraka Path. And Naraka felt no pain or suffered from any physical drawbacks upon waking up , so how can you make ANY assumptions that it inflicts as much damage as you suggest it does, and before you go on another rant on how awesome it is, and what effects it does - injure organs etc. please prove that Konos rasengan has ever inflicted that damage. Again, look back to when Ino heals Naruto, she doesn't need to tank. And she can dodge the atack anyway.

Not until you give me a Manga reference of where Ino magically tanked any type of Technique during Part 2. Either way, I don't have to provide any proof, if all of your claims remain invalid.

/Yawn, why Part II? And why a tanking feat? Well meh, she tanked Kakuzus wire around her neck and prevented being strangled to death despite the wires strength. Thats a tanking feat. Probably not enough to tank a rasengan, but its tanking feat. She doesn't need one of those though, she has great healing. =]

How can you assume it wasn't by the Kyuubi? And it's called logic and knowledge.

Because its a baseless assumption made by you. And you have yet to provide any manga references despite my request of the Kyuubi chakra doing so, and Naruto using the Kyuubi chakra in base form.

Proof she can heal all the internal damage done to her organs, muscle tissue, and bones. Proof she can tank a Rasengan. Proof she has enough chakra to heal all the internal damage done to her body. If you can't provide proof to support your claims, then your claims remain invalid.

WHAT internal damage? When has Konos rasengan EVER inflicted this so called immense internal damage that apparently one shots Ino despite her healing ability far out classing its level of damage.

Proof that Kono inflicted almost no internal damage done to Naraka.

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what proof actually is there of Konos rasengan inflicting any major internal damage to organs, bones or muscle tissue?

I actually have. I want you to provide me proof that she can block, counter, and/or dodge a multitude of shuriken being thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins at once.

Shunshin to the left. And if Konos at 50 metres whenever he throws his shuriken, good luck to the tools hitting her, they'll lose all their momentum and fall.

And you call yourself a great debater?

When have I EVER called myself one of those? I like to debate and get my opinion across, doesn't make me a ' great ' debator.

Proof that Ino will use her Taijutsu skills while BL. Proof that Ino won't use her Mind Transfer Technique at the start of the battle, in order to take Konohomaru out.

Actually I never said she would in the first place. She would try her Hair Trap/Mind Transfer along with Bunshin and exploding kunai feats if anything. But if Kono does happen to get close range and use tai, she isn't going to stand there, she'll either battle them off with her own taijutsu and better reaction feats.

And?

And that brings us to the conclusion that Inos tai>Konohamarus. If only a little.

Hyperbole.

Wut? For any claim I've made I've given evidence. Unlike you, who just assumed Kyuubi healed Narutos wounds, Konohamarus rasengan with more or less no feats would one shot Ino who can heal, and that because Naruto may/may not have regen'd a cut, he could regen having his whole arm destroyed by RS?

Invalid. Proven wrong by me. x3

You never proved Ino didn't show tai against Sakura. You never proved she didn't react to Human Paths smoke bombs and your last comment doesn't even make any sense, did you even read what I said?

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 01:03 PM
Naraka did dodge FRS so it's gotta be quite the fast Paperbomb.

There was a looot of distance, FRS is fast yes, but its not like he looked like he was moving quickly, almost as if he was moving at normal speeds. He moved the right and even he just about dodged.

Human? We're talking about Naraka, the weakest of the Pain bodies. Any named character can take him out with a paperbomb

Thank you!

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 01:04 PM
Dodging a kick and dodging a hoard of kunai and shuriken are rather different. Additionally, a metal weapon, such as a kunai and shuriken is smaller and can travel a little faster than a kick.

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 01:06 PM
Dodging a kick and dodging a hoard of kunai and shuriken are rather different. Additionally, a metal weapon, such as a kunai and shuriken is smaller and can travel a little faster than a kick.

Indeed. They're made to travel quickly are they not?

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 01:09 PM
Indeed. They're made to travel quickly are they not?

Indeed. :3

Yori
01-08-2011, 01:14 PM
Timeout - I haven't had time to read all this but are you saying he loses due to a Kunai?

Kazumi Saitama
01-08-2011, 01:17 PM
No, he loses because Ino would beat him. >.>

Haha. Anyway, read back Yori. You will get a better understanding.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 01:32 PM
@DL: How isn't anyone going to dodge a kunai or shuriken coming at them from 50 meters away? Even if it was traveling at fast speeds, they still have enough time to see it.

And if my claim wasn't clear before, i didn't mean that Ino would throw weapons from 50 meters, first she would set her Chakra Rope Trap, then dodge and throw her weapons.
Why not dodge first? Because of distnce and Konohamaru is NOT going to hit Ino dead on with a projectile from 50 meters back. He would have to travel a ways first.

*Edit: 50 meters is roughly 164 feet, if i did my math correctly.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 01:34 PM
Fact Ino jutsu are all extremly slow. She still needs choji and Shikamaru to perform them. Kono has proven to be way faster than Ino on his own unaided. You say shuriken blitz I say *facepalm*. With the reaction Konohamru showed against Naruku it is obvious he can counter on his own. If not be quicker on the draw. You say his rasengan is weak I say *facepalm*. As I pointed out before Naraku was stomping Jonin and chunin like ants. Konohamaru rasengan took him out that proof enough of his power. Ino can't tank it. Based on feats Kono can indeed rush Ino and blitz. He is proven to be faster, stronger, and smarter than Ino. I have yet to see a proof of Ino fighting an elite jonin level fighter and winning.
@DL: How isn't anyone going to dodge a kunai or shuriken coming at them from 50 meters away? Even if it was traveling at fast speeds, they still have enough time to see it.

And if my claim wasn't clear before, i didn't mean that Ino would throw weapons from 50 meters, first she would set her Chakra Rope Trap, then dodge and throw her weapons.
Why not dodge first? Because of distnce and Konohamaru is NOT going to hit Ino dead on with a projectile from 50 meters back. He would have to travel a ways first.

Kono could easily dodge those attacks. Also she doesn't have enough hair to completly cover the entire area. Next Kono has chunin level speed or higher based off that fight with Naraku. People run the 50 meters in 6 secs. You saying he can't cover the distance 50 meters is nowhere.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 01:38 PM
Fact Ino jutsu are all extremly slow. She still needs choji and Shikamaru to perform them. Kono has proven to be way faster than Ino on his own unaided. You say shuriken blitz I say *facepalm*. With the reaction Konohamru showed against Naruku it is obvious he can counter on his own. If not be quicker on the draw. You say his rasengan is weak I say *facepalm*. As I pointed out before Naraku was stomping Jonin and chunin like ants. Konohamaru rasengan took him out that proof enough of his power. Ino can't tank it. Based on feats Kono can indeed rush Ino and blitz. He is proven to be faster, stronger, and smarter than Ino. I have yet to see a proof of Ino fighting an elite jonin level fighter and winning.

Fodder Jonin and Chunin, any named character can take them out, hell Karin can do it and she's the weakest character in the verse.

It didn't take him out, Naraka got back up and was able to fight against Naruto.

You're using pure hype for the Jonin.

He can't blitz, he hasn't shown the speed to blitz. Why can't Ino cut her hair and paralyze him like she did to Sakura?

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 01:39 PM
Fact Ino jutsu are all extremly slow. She still needs choji and Shikamaru to perform them. Kono has proven to be way faster than Ino on his own unaided. You say shuriken blitz I say *facepalm*. With the reaction Konohamru showed against Naruku it is obvious he can counter on his own. If not be quicker on the draw. You say his rasengan is weak I say *facepalm*. As I pointed out before Naraku was stomping Jonin and chunin like ants. Konohamaru rasengan took him out that proof enough of his power. Ino can't tank it. Based on feats Kono can indeed rush Ino and blitz. He is proven to be faster, stronger, and smarter than Ino. I have yet to see a proof of Ino fighting an elite jonin level fighter and winning.

No. Just no.
Fact, i let go of the idea that Ino would need her Mind Transfer Jutsu. The only jutsu she will NEED, is Chakra Rope Trap.
Where is he at all faster then Ino who, if you read, would see, reacted and dodged Kakuzu's blast.
Chapter where NARAKA was stomping anyonen worth recognition?
Took him out, then allowed him to get back up later.
Smarter? I doubt it.
Blitz at roughly 164 feet?

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 01:41 PM
Fact Ino jutsu are all extremly slow. She still needs choji and Shikamaru to perform them. Kono has proven to be way faster than Ino on his own unaided. You say shuriken blitz I say *facepalm*. With the reaction Konohamru showed against Naruku it is obvious he can counter on his own. If not be quicker on the draw. You say his rasengan is weak I say *facepalm*. As I pointed out before Naraku was stomping Jonin and chunin like ants. Konohamaru rasengan took him out that proof enough of his power. Ino can't tank it. Based on feats Kono can indeed rush Ino and blitz. He is proven to be faster, stronger, and smarter than Ino. I have yet to see a proof of Ino fighting an elite jonin level fighter and winning.

Inos jutsu was slow in Part I, in part II it caught a bird which was in flight IIrc. Apparently not that slow anymore. Konohamarus rasengan makes him run in a linear motion too, and since he isn't particulary fast and at a huge distance [ 50 metres ] Inos jutsu shouldn't have too many problems hitting him. Konohamaru has never shown any speed, Ino has. So assuming he's any faster, its kinda silly.

I'm sure Konohamaru can dodge shuriken/kunai. However, while he's performing rasengan he can't dodge, or even move left/right. So he either has to take the hit, or cancel his rasengan[thus wasting chakra] and then avoid. He took Naraka ogg guard, Naraka wasn't made for combat eother, so that isn't impressive. Rasengan smashed Naraka into a wall, and the force of him hitting it knocked him out. Kono hasn't shown any good intelligence feats, so him being more intelligent is also false. Finally, rank doesn't mean anything asides experience, taking out fodder Jonin really isn't much of a feat.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Yep. Inflicted internal damage, but since we never saw how much it did, and even saw that the person it hit, who wasn't in anyway built for combat, was barely injured. Then we can assume it didn't do much. For the millionth time, she doesn't need tanking feats, she can heal. Its not like shes going to be smashed into a wall, or even hit by the jutsu anyway. So, being knocked out is non factor.
While Ino can heal her injuries, there is no guarantee that Ino has enough chakra to heal all of her injuries. More so, there is no guarantee that Ino can tank the Rasengan, which is being applied by Force. As we all know, Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). Due to the Force applied onto the Rasengan, Ino will most likely suffer from internal damage done to her muscle tissue, bones, and probably organs.

Wasn't built for combat? Oh really? Naraka managed to react to Naruto's FRS, as well as being able to take down Chunin and Jonin Shinobi in Konohagakure no Sato. And you're saying that Naraka isn't made for combat?


Thats nice. It can also be edited by ANYONE, you could go onto it right now and type whatever you want in. I don't really care how many KG or jutsu it has on it, or what amount of info it has on rasengan, that doesn't make all the info accurate. Quality>Quantity. Oh, I know all about it now, your endless Wikia stuff has given me the whole frikkin life story of the rasengan :L Which btw, I didn't ask for.
While it can be edited by ANYONE, most of the information in there is actually true. For example, it explains the advantages and disadvantages of Sage Mode and Imperfect Sage Mode. Besides, the only info I've found on Naruto Wikia besides Kyuubi's healing ability (which I can prove) is the Rasengan inflicting internal damage.

Its true that Pein bodies don't seem to fail much pain, that or their pain threshold is excellent.

Correct.

Oh, I'm sure its inflicted some, rasengan inflicts internal damage, but Konohamarus has never inflicted any notable internal damage with it. So, assumptions of it being able to kill Ino with it IF it hits her, even though shes healed greater damage. Are to be ignored =]
I know it hasn't. I've never claimed such retarded statements.


Lawl. Kk. Re read this again " Once one cell is damaged enough, damaging chemicals are sent into the surrounding ones, not only can they kill the cells but they can also completely remove the ability for the cells to ever regrow. Specific enzymes can be also be released via damaged lysosome membranes, which can even further the rate. This process may not happen straight away, of course - that all depends on the damage recieved. Now, thats dangerous enough when one cell is damaged like this, but imagine - when your whole arm suddenly recieves that type of damage, thats trillions of cells. And considering the damage done was enough to kill Kakuzu and create a gigantic crater in the ground, can you imagine the damage dealt? Now then, I'll repeat; Ino healed that "
I will tell you this once more, so you better listen. The Kyuubi no Yoko's chakra amplifies Naruto's healing ability. Now, when Naruto fought Kyuubi, Naruto threw a Rasenshuriken at Kyuubi. Kyuubi managed to withstand the affects of the Rasenshuriken, but was still weakened by the attack. Nevertheless, he was still able to use his Beast Tailed Ball against Naruto, even though it dispersed. The reason why it despersed wasn't because of the Rasenshuriken. Naruto managed to separate the Kyuubi's chakra from the Kyuubi fox himself.


When Naruto transformed into KN4, the Kyuubi fox destroyed Naruto's cells and replaced them with his own cells, so he can gain control over Naruto's body. This only occurs when Naruto is in his Tailed Form, which he can't control. Now, due to having access to Kyuubi's chakra, Naruto's healing ability is increased. Now, as we all know, the Rasenshuriken did limited damage to Naruto's arm, but as you've said, it killed trillions of cells. However, the bone's center contains the bone marrow, which constantly produces cells at an alarming rate, but only when there is either severe blood lost or if blood cells are dead (or destroyed in this case). More so, due to Kyuubi's healing abilities, the Kyuubi's healing abilities amplifies the bone marrow's abilities to generate new cells, by healing the wounds faster. An example would be the Naruto vs Kiba fight. After Naruto fought Kiba, Naruto was given ointment to heal a cut on his hand. His cut healed in a matter of seconds, while in Base Form. A regular cut heals in about a week. A regular cut, which has been applied with ointment heals in about 3 days. Naruto's cut healed in a matter of seconds. This proves that the Kyuubi's Chakra amplifies Naruto's healing ability. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.

There's your proof.

Now granted, damage done to Narutos what nwhere that of Kakuzus body, but it was still enough to deem his arm unsuable if he used the jutsu again, presumably through a form of necrosis. What damage did Konohamarus rasengan do? A little internal damage? And to what extent of the internal damage it caused, we don't know.
Look above thank you.


Proof that it didn't? Well there was no proof that it did in the first place, it was just a random assumption made by you.
No, it wasn't. A cut takes a week to heal. A cut that has been applied with ointment takes a few days to heal. Naruto healed his cut in a matter of seconds. This is likely due to Kyuubi's Chakra. Bone marrow produces cells, if there is blood lost or if the blood cells are dead. In other words, while Naruto's cells were destroyed, the bone marrow are producing new red blood cells to replace the old, dead ones. The Kyuubi's Chakra plays a role in this, because it amplifies Naruto's abilities, and heals the wounds faster.
If that isn't enough proof then go look back at that chapter and try and find this so called regeneration.

Thats cool. I was looking for proof that Kyuubi regen'd him, now how it would do so. And a cut healing quickly isn't really that impressive.
Well, you have your opinion, and I have mine.


This again? ../facepalm
K. Give me proof of Konohamarus rasengan inflicting damage on par with Narutos.
*Facepalm* Lady Tsunade, I have never claimed that Konohomaru's Rasengan inflicting damage is on par with Naruto. Give me a quote that states that I've said that.
And please don't give a stupid comment of ' Prove that it doesn't inflict as much ' because frankly, you just make yourself look like and idiot.
And how's that?
Its only ever hit Naraka Path. And Naraka felt no pain or suffered from any physical drawbacks upon waking up ,
Of course. Because I've stated so in the first place. Stop copying my comments. While Naraka felt no pain, there is no guarantee that Naraka didn't suffer any injuries from Konohomaru's Rasengan.
so how can you make ANY assumptions that it inflicts as much damage as you suggest it does,
The only thing I said was it inflicts internal damage. That's all I've said. You made it seem like I've stated, "Konohomaru can inflict as much damage as Naruto."
and before you go on another rant on how awesome it is, and what effects it does - injure organs etc. please prove that Konos rasengan has ever inflicted that damage.
Ok, sure. You see, the Naraka Path is a corpse that basically can't feel pain. More so, this Path also has good tanking abilities, being able to tank a direct hit from Konohomaru. While his organs weren't damaged badly by Konohomaru's Rasengan, we do know that Konohomaru's Rasengan still caused internal damage to his muscle tissue, and a little bit of his organs. His bones? Probably. But they've failed to break.

If a person manages to apply enough force onto an object, and hit someone with it, then the person's body will suffer internal damage. Force=(mass)(acceleration). Konohomaru used his acceleration as an advantage to wound the Naraka Path. This acceleration plays a part on Force, because the more acceleration you have, the stronger the Force will be. Overall, Konohomaru managed to inflict some internal damage onto Naraka Path.
Again, look back to when Ino heals Naruto, she doesn't need to tank. And she can dodge the atack anyway.
While destracted? No.


/Yawn, why Part II? And why a tanking feat? Well meh, she tanked Kakuzus wire around her neck and prevented being strangled to death despite the wires strength.
Tanking an attack means taking an attack head on, without receiving little to no injuries. Ino's throat and neck was being crushed by Kakuzu's chokehold. Ino did not tank the attack. Try again.
Thats a tanking feat. Probably not enough to tank a rasengan, but its tanking feat. She doesn't need one of those though, she has great healing. =]
While she has great healing, there is no guarantee that Ino can heal all the internal damage done to her body. While Konohomaru's Rasengan is nowhere near as strong as Naruto's, it's safe to conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan still causes internal damage to her body, regardless whether his Rasengan is weak or not. Even if Ino was able to survive the brutal attack, there is no guarantee that Ino will have enough energy to deflect a barrage of weapons flying at her.


Because its a baseless assumption made by you. And you have yet to provide any manga references despite my request of the Kyuubi chakra doing so, and Naruto using the Kyuubi chakra in base form.
Actually I have. Quite a few times actually. After Naruto fought Kiba, Naruto was given ointment for his wound. His cut healed in a matter of seconds. This wasn't because of the ointment, because even if ointment is applied onto a cut, the cut will still take about a few days for it to heal.


WHAT internal damage? When has Konos rasengan EVER inflicted this so called immense internal damage that apparently one shots Ino despite her healing ability far out classing its level of damage.
I never said that it inflicts immense internal damage. What is wrong with you?


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what proof actually is there of Konos rasengan inflicting any major internal damage to organs, bones or muscle tissue?
I never said that it inflicts major damage to organs, bones, and muscle tissue!


Shunshin to the left. And if Konos at 50 metres whenever he throws his shuriken, good luck to the tools hitting her, they'll lose all their momentum and fall.
Again, Ino will most likely use her Mind Transfer Technique. Now, due to his low muscle mass, there is no guarantee that Konohomaru will throw his kunai and shuriken from 50 meters away. He will first summon quite a few Shadow Clones (God knows how many), and will charge at Ino. Now, all the Shadow Clones, including Konohomaru, will throw shuriken and kunai at Ino. Ino will use Shunshin, but we have no idea how far her distance reach. In other words, unless you can quantify Ino's Shunshin's distance, then the Technique is unquantifiable.



When have I EVER called myself one of those? I like to debate and get my opinion across, doesn't make me a ' great ' debator.
Ok then.


Actually I never said she would in the first place. She would try her Hair Trap/Mind Transfer along with Bunshin and exploding kunai feats if anything.
Her Mind Transfer Technique has to aim properly at the target. If she misses, then she won't be able to return into her body for a few minutes. This will enable Konohomaru to use a Rasengan on her.
But if Kono does happen to get close range and use tai, she isn't going to stand there, she'll either battle them off with her own taijutsu and better reaction feats.
How many times do I have to tell you? Due to being BL, Ino will most likely use her Mind Transfer Technique.


And that brings us to the conclusion that Inos tai>Konohamarus. If only a little.
Ha. No.


Wut? For any claim I've made I've given evidence. Unlike you, who just assumed Kyuubi healed Narutos wounds, Konohamarus rasengan with more or less no feats would one shot Ino who can heal, and that because Naruto may/may not have regen'd a cut, he could regen having his whole arm destroyed by RS?
No, I didn't assumed that Kyuubi healed Naruto's wounds, because he had. You see, our bone marrow produces new cells, in replace for cells which have died, or produces new cells, when we lose a lot of blood. In this case, trillions of cells were destroyed in Naruto's arm. However, the bone marrow started producing countless number of cells to replace the cells in Naruto's arm. Also, the blood cells helped heal Naruto's wounds, but the Kyuubi fox amplified Naruto's healing.

Example? After the fight between Naruto and Kiba, Naruto's cut healed in a matter of seconds. This was likely due to the Kyuubi's chakra, healing his small injuries quickly. There's your proof.

Now, stop whining that I haven't been providing proof, when I had been doing so throughout the entire debate. However, you've failed to read my comments correctly, and proceeded to put words in my mouth that I never even claimed in the first place.

The next time you want to make a rant about me not providing proof, make sure you pay more attention to what I type.
You never proved Ino didn't show tai against Sakura.
I never claimed anything about Ino didn't show Tai against Sakura. I don't need to prove a claim I never made in the first place. This post of yours is invalid.
You never proved she didn't react to Human Paths smoke bombs and your last comment doesn't even make any sense, did you even read what I said?
I never claimed this either. I don't need to prove a claim I never made in the first place. Yeah, I've read what you've said. You just can't seem to read why I've typed.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 01:56 PM
no. Just no.
Fact, i let go of the idea that ino would need her mind transfer jutsu. The only jutsu she will need, is chakra rope trap.

Not enough chakra to maintain an entire fight so you know. Especially since konohamaru would send his clones in first.

Where is he at all faster then ino who, if you read, would see, reacted and dodged kakuzu's blast.

chapter please

chapter where naraka was stomping anyonen worth recognition?

he stomped jonin and chunin dodged frs naraku>>>>>>ino

took him out, then allowed him to get back up later.
Smarter? I doubt it.

he didn't get back up anytime soon? Bloodlusted naraku would have been done. In the manga naraku never gets back up anyways.

blitz at roughly 164 feet?

6 secs people do that.

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tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 01:57 PM
Yeah, Devil's Lawyer is correct. Naraka was able to react to Naruto's FRS.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-08-2011, 02:06 PM
Yeah, Devil's Lawyer is correct. Naraka was able to react to Naruto's FRS.

He was the furthest path away from it, it wasn't 2 feet away like it was when Konohamaru hit him with Rasengan.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 02:08 PM
Not enough chakra to maintain an entire fight so you know. Especially since konohamaru would send his clones in first.

It doesn't take that much chakra to make Ino's Chakra Rope Trap, considering she fought for 10 minutes straight, used that and was still able to use Mind Transfer and punch Sakura's lights out. And Ino throws kunai and shuriken at the clones when the come in range.

Kuro already put the chapter.

he stomped jonin and chunin dodged frs naraku>>>>>>ino

Rank doens't mean that much. And we didn't see him 'stomp' those two. He was already grabbing them form what we first saw. Give me any Jonin or Chunin he 'stomped' that would be worth recognition.
Either way, this is Naraka, not Konohamaru.

he didn't get back up anytime soon? Bloodlusted naraku would have been done. In the manga naraku never gets back up anyways.

What?
I never said soon, I said later.
Exactly. Naraka wasen't even trying to harm Kono. He was only trying to get information. So the fact that Kono was trying SUPER hard not to die, and Naraka wasn't trying to fight him at all, shows that Kono's Rasengan isn't some godly jutsu.

LOL, Konohamaru isn't going 50 meters in 6 seconds. Where on earth did you get that?

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 02:09 PM
Inos jutsu was slow in Part I, in part II it caught a bird which was in flight IIrc. Apparently not that slow anymore. Konohamarus rasengan makes him run in a linear motion too, and since he isn't particulary fast and at a huge distance [ 50 metres ] Inos jutsu shouldn't have too many problems hitting him. Konohamaru has never shown any speed, Ino has. So assuming he's any faster, its kinda silly.

He dodged and reacted to a blitz from Naraku. After that kick he dodged Kono backed out of Naraku range till he got trapped by that brick wall. Naraku dodged frs. Don't say because of the distance considering frs expands. An ability he had no idea of.

I'm sure Konohamaru can dodge shuriken/kunai. However, while he's performing rasengan he can't dodge, or even move left/right. So he either has to take the hit, or cancel his rasengan[thus wasting chakra] and then avoid. He took Naraka ogg guard, Naraka wasn't made for combat eother, so that isn't impressive. Rasengan smashed Naraka into a wall, and the force of him hitting it knocked him out. Kono hasn't shown any good intelligence feats, so him being more intelligent is also false. Finally, rank doesn't mean anything asides experience, taking out fodder Jonin really isn't much of a feat.

That is the point of having clones he can easily make a few considering he was not tired after making three and a rasengan. Naraku was definetly made for combat too. You don't get the concept of slaughtering Jonin in chunin. Considering all of them have to meet certain requirements to meet certain ranks.If the jonin were fodder Ino is definetly less than said fodder. Who has she defeated no one. The hawk that you mention doesn't compare to Naraku speed. Who speed was equa to the other paths. ch 432 pg 6

My response

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:10 PM
When Naruto threw it, the Rasenshuriken was heading for all of the Paths. Most of them were able to react to the Rasenshuriken, by jumping out of the way.

Naraka failed to react to Konohomaru's Rasengan, because Naraka had his back turned to Konohomaru. He was too surprised that Konohomaru was just a clone. Unbeknownst to him, the real Konohomaru was behind him, with a Rasengan at hand.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:13 PM
It doesn't take that much chakra to make Ino's Chakra Rope Trap, considering she fought for 10 minutes straight, used that and was still able to use Mind Transfer and punch Sakura's lights out. And Ino throws kunai and shuriken at the clones when the come in range.

Kuro already put the chapter.



Rank doens't mean that much. And we didn't see him 'stomp' those two. He was already grabbing them form what we first saw. Give me any Jonin or Chunin he 'stomped' that would be worth recognition.
Either way, this is Naraka, not Konohamaru.

What?
I never said soon, I said later.
Exactly. Naraka wasen't even trying to harm Kono. He was only trying to get information. So the fact that Kono was trying SUPER hard not to die, and Naraka wasn't trying to fight him at all, shows that Kono's Rasengan isn't some godly jutsu.
We've never claimed that Konohomaru's Rasengan is some godly Jutsu. The only thing I've claimed is that Konohomaru's Rasengan inflicts internal damage. I've never claimed that Konohomaru's Rasengan inflicts as much internal damage as Naruto's.
LOL, Konohamaru isn't going 50 meters in 6 seconds. Where on earth did you get that?
*Shrugs*

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 02:16 PM
@Mike Ch432 pg 6 shows the rasengan in all the paths faces before they could even react. Yet Naraku and the others dodged before it expanded. You saying Ino is faste than that. Far as her Hair justu goes that jutsu is so flawed. Whats stopping Konohamaru from throwing a paperbomb and blitzing her. Nothing at all especially he can send a barrage using his clones from multiple ggg.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 02:17 PM
No, i know, but Kono isn't going to be hitting Ino with it. Because he can't just super-blitz her.
Naraka wasn't trying when he was fighting Kono, he was only trying to get some info. When Naruto threw FRS, he was completely trying and ready. When Kono hit him with Rasengan, he had just been busy destoying Konoha and recently fighting off those two fodder guys and Ebisu, now her also had Kono to deal with, so it wasn't like he was super alive and trying.

What's stopping his blitz? The fact that he isn't that fast. And the fact that she reacted and dodged Kakuzu's huge blast. Barrage of clones? No. He doesn't have the chakra reserves for that. At all. Naruto did because of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Kono could make 10, MAYBE 15 clones at best and he would waste those fin the beginning

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:23 PM
Mike, can you estimate how fast Kakuzu's blast is?

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 02:26 PM
I honestly can't because i'm HORRIBLE at math, i've been calculating that meter-feet conversion for days. Haha, but i remember that it was fast.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:27 PM
Then the attack is unquantifiable.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 02:29 PM
No, i know, but Kono isn't going to be hitting Ino with it. Because he can't just super-blitz her.
Naraka wasn't trying when he was fighting Kono, he was only trying to get some info. When Naruto threw FRS, he was completely trying and ready. When Kono hit him with Rasengan, he had just been busy destoying Konoha and recently fighting off those two fodder guys and Ebisu, now her also had Kono to deal with, so it wasn't like he was super alive and trying.

What's stopping his blitz? The fact that he isn't that fast. And the fact that she reacted and dodged Kakuzu's huge blast. Barrage of clones? No. He doesn't have the chakra reserves for that. At all. Naruto did because of the Nine-Tailed Fox. Kono could make 10, MAYBE 15 clones at best and he would waste those fin the beginning

I didn't mean a massive barrage of clones. I meant a few attacking from multiple directions. Which she would be hard pressed to dodge. Naraku was goig full speed and trying to take Kono out when he tried to kick him on page 238 1. He wasn't holding back on speed.

When I say blitz I mean a full blown attack non stop. Which is what blitz really is. A multidirectional Kunai bomb attack would mess Ino up and take care of any hair blocking his path toward her. Again 50 meters is nothing he still has above human speed. Athletes can easily do it in 6 secs.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:31 PM
Devil's Lawyer, you do know that Ino has Faster Than The Eye Could See right?

Konohomaru will be doing NO BLITZING.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 02:33 PM
Devil's Lawyer, you do know that Ino has Faster Than The Eye Could See right?

Konohomaru will be doing NO BLITZING.

What are you talking about?

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 02:33 PM
She did see Kakuzu use to Raiton: Gian before the attack started. Or however you spell it.
The heart opened it's mouth, Ino ran out and yelled for Shika and Choji to run, then the bolt's were right in front of them in the next panel.
Then about the blast it was a good distance from them, then in the next panel, was already past them. I'm not sure how fast that makes her or the blast..

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:34 PM
Man, that was a great debate against me and Lady Tsunade. She better hurry up and respond. This debate was getting good.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 02:35 PM
She did see Kakuzu use to Raiton: Gian before the attack started. Or however you spell it.
The heart opened it's mouth, Ino ran out and yelled for Shika and Choji to run, then the bolt's were right in front of them in the next panel.
Then about the blast it was a good distance from them, then in the next panel, was already past them. I'm not sure how fast that makes her or the blast..
Well, for one thing, Ino definitely doesn't have Lightning reaction speed. The attack isn't made up of 100% pure Lightning.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 02:46 PM
I didn't mean a massive barrage of clones. I meant a few attacking from multiple directions. Which she would be hard pressed to dodge. Naraku was goig full speed and trying to take Kono out when he tried to kick him on page 238 1. He wasn't holding back on speed.

When I say blitz I mean a full blown attack non stop. Which is what blitz really is. A multidirectional Kunai bomb attack would mess Ino up and take care of any hair blocking his path toward her. Again 50 meters is nothing he still has above human speed. Athletes can easily do it in 6 secs.

But, how will they be going in all directions then coming right at her? They are 50 meters away, then as the fight starts, is Kono going to summon his clones then run around her? If Kono can blitz than so can Ino, which is absurd to think. Kono was also never shown to be able to make numerous clones. He only could summon 3 against Naraka. So i don't him making more then 5 clones at tops.
To kick him, yes, and didn't he suceed in kicking him? Then grab him by the neck too. That's when he didn't try and used his Tongue Pull thing to get info, because he didn't think off Kono as a tough opponent. So he stopped trying when Kono got him with Rasengan.
So Ino is going to sit there and watch as Kono's few clones surround her from all sides and then throw kunai bombs at her? I don't think so, more like as the clones are summoned and charge, she throws kunai and shuriken. She can wait until one or two get in range for her to throw her weapons. She can throw a kunai with explosive paper at the clones too before they get close.
That would take care of the problum of them barraging her from all sides.
I'd like to see Kono go 164 feet in 6 seconds. And wouldn't that mean that Ino can easily get out of the way before the bombs or the clones get to her?

@Tyrell: I never said that she had any Lightning or Faster than the eye Reaction Speed. I wa sjust stating that she noticed the Lighting attack before it even left the hearts mouth and then a second later was right in front of Shika and Choji. So, she has some Reaction speed. Not like supersonic, but she has a little

Lady Tsunade
01-08-2011, 02:50 PM
Man, that was a great debate against me and Lady Tsunade. She better hurry up and respond. This debate was getting good.

Eh, what? You trolled and flamed and got infracted for it.
Your only arguements were

- Konohamaru makes clones, clones use rasengan, clones travel in a straight line for 50 metres and hit Ino. Ino has dodged faster things, and has plenty of time to prepare herself.

- Rasengan hit Naraka Path, weakest Path of Pein with practically no feats - into a wall and knocked him out, and therefore will do the same with Ino. When Naraka was hit, it stood still and faced the opposite direction. Ino won't.

- Ino cannot heal back from Konos rasengan, despite it not having any feats asides knocking Asura into a wall and KOing him for a short while. Even though Ino healed back from damage which far exceeded that.

I proved all those wrong so many times. His lack of speed, minimal chakra reserves, lack of intelligence and weak offensive jutsu won't be giving him any wins.

I'm not going to debate this anymore, tyrell. About 70% of everything said had already been said about ten times, you've been giving silly replies to things like " Give me proof that this happened " with " Give me proof that this didn't happen " and your perpetual claims of me having little intelligence or being an idiot have pretty much drained any muse I had left in this debate. So as I was saying, further debate is essentially pointless.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 02:58 PM
But, how will they be going in all directions then coming right at her? They are 50 meters away, then as the fight starts, is Kono going to summon his clones then run around her? If Kono can blitz than so can Ino, which is absurd to think. Kono was also never shown to be able to make numerous clones. He only could summon 3 against Naraka. So i don't him making more then 5 clones at tops.
To kick him, yes, and didn't he suceed in kicking him? Then grab him by the neck too. That's when he didn't try and used his Tongue Pull thing to get info, because he didn't think off Kono as a tough opponent. So he stopped trying when Kono got him with Rasengan.
So Ino is going to sit there and watch as Kono's few clones surround her from all sides and then throw kunai bombs at her? I don't think so, more like as the clones are summoned and charge, she throws kunai and shuriken. She can wait until one or two get in range for her to throw her weapons. She can throw a kunai with explosive paper at the clones too before they get close.
That would take care of the problum of them barraging her from all sides.
I'd like to see Kono go 164 feet in 6 seconds. And wouldn't that mean that Ino can easily get out of the way before the bombs or the clones get to her?

@Tyrell: I never said that she had any Lightning or Faster than the eye Reaction Speed. I wa sjust stating that she noticed the Lighting attack before it even left the hearts mouth and then a second later was right in front of Shika and Choji. So, she has some Reaction speed. Not like supersonic, but she has a little

Forget the blitz I don't feel like keep explaining that. Kono can still beat her in close combat. Speed and reaction overall fighting is better than Ino. He could easily circle Ino and attack from multiple directions using his clones. Ino is that versatile or skilled to be trashing attacks from multiple directions from an oponent with Konohamaru type of reactions. Then she wouldn't be able to stop him without the hair which he can easily get rid of. That means he can go in for a close up and use rasengan. The hair was the only thing stopping that. She is not faster than him. So how does she go about stopping a rasengan to the chest without her hair.

@Lady Tsunade so you are saying Ino is faster than Naraku? Also you guys are pissing me offf making me agree with Tyrell.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 03:08 PM
Forget the blitz I don't feel like keep explaining that. Kono can still beat her in close combat. Speed and reaction overall fighting is better than Ino. He could easily circle Ino and attack from multiple directions using his clones. Ino is that versatile or skilled to be trashing attacks from multiple directions from an oponent with Konohamaru type of reactions. Then she wouldn't be able to stop him without the hair which he can easily get rid of. That means he can go in for a close up and use rasengan. The hair was the only thing stopping that. She is not faster than him. So how does she go about stopping a rasengan to the chest without her hair.

And how exactly will he get to close-range? She will be barraging him with kunai and shuriken as he attempts to get closer and closer. Let's say Kono summons 3 clones. Because, when you think about it, he could only create 2 to fight Naraka and then use a Rasengan.
The 3 of them charge from 50 meters, Ino places her hair trap and then see's them charging. She proceeds to toss her weapons to deflect any weapons coming her way, and dodges the rest. From 50 meters, there won't be that many ocoming straight at her. Now, 1 clone is the only one that Ino will have to deal with if they manage to get close because the other 2 will be preping for Rasengan.
If this clone manages to get past her nearly invisable Chakra Rope Trap, then she throws kunai at it, and begins close-combat. When has Kono ever showed suffieciant Taijutsu? He can react to a couple of Ino's hits, sure, but moving and avoid are different stories. He manages to get close, Ino kicks and punches and he dodges one or two and reacts to the third then gets knocked into next week. Then the Rasengan is coming toward her along with Kono and his clone. She puts her second Hair Trap out.
She puts it strsight in front of her, brcause Kono will be going straight, and they will get stuck. She throws kunai to take out the clone and to stab the real Kono, and if he manages to dodge, Ino throws more. Because he will be tired from summoning his clones, running 50 meters and using a Rasengan. He won't be able to do much more. Oh, and not her hair, but her Chakra Rope Trap.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 03:18 PM
And how exactly will he get to close-range? She will be barraging him with kunai and shuriken as he attempts to get closer and closer. Let's say Kono summons 3 clones. Because, when you think about it, he could only create 2 to fight Naraka and then use a Rasengan.
The 3 of them charge from 50 meters, Ino places her hair trap and then see's them charging. She proceeds to toss her weapons to deflect any weapons coming her way, and dodges the rest. From 50 meters, there won't be that many ocoming straight at her. Now, 1 clone is the only one that Ino will have to deal with if they manage to get close because the other 2 will be preping for Rasengan.
If this clone manages to get past her nearly invisable Chakra Rope Trap, then she throws kunai at it, and begins close-combat. When has Kono ever showed suffieciant Taijutsu? He can react to a couple of Ino's hits, sure, but moving and avoid are different stories. He manages to get close, Ino kicks and punches and he dodges one or two and reacts to the third then gets knocked into next week. Then the Rasengan is coming toward her along with Kono and his clone. She puts her second Hair Trap out.
She puts it strsight in front of her, brcause Kono will be going straight, and they will get stuck. She throws kunai to take out the clone and to stab the real Kono, and if he manages to dodge, Ino throws more. Because he will be tired from summoning his clones, running 50 meters and using a Rasengan. He won't be able to do much more. Oh, and not her hair, but her Chakra Rope Trap.

He wasn't tired not even a little bit after the fight with Naraku means he can could keep fighting. Then there is the fact he can block any Kunai attempts at long range. Then you are still thinking 50 meters is far. Ino is one person. If Konhamaru spread say 5 clones and send the multiple directions she can't attack all of them at the same time. Then she can't scatter hair, block , dodge multiple attacks from different angles and throw a hail of projectiles. Only few people in Naruto of known can do that and she is not one of them. She would be getting hit with attacks one way or another rasengan or hail of projectiles. You choose which one.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 03:38 PM
He wasn't tired not even a little bit after the fight with Naraku means he can could keep fighting. Then there is the fact he can block any Kunai attempts at long range. Then you are still thinking 50 meters is far. Ino is one person. If Konhamaru spread say 5 clones and send the multiple directions she can't attack all of them at the same time. Then she can't scatter hair, block , dodge multiple attacks from different angles and throw a hail of projectiles. Only few people in Naruto of known can do that and she is not one of them. She would be getting hit with attacks one way or another rasengan or hail of projectiles. You choose which one.

1: Kono was never shown too be able to create 5 clones, was he? 2, was the most he has ever shown. So let's say he only summons those 2. Then... The same thing i posted before happens. There won't be an omni-directional attack on Ino.

2: If he DID manage to create 5 clones, that makes 6 of him, correct? The real Kono and 1 clone would stay back to charge up Rasengan, while the other 4 travel 50 meters. Ino has some options. She throws 3-4 kunai in their direction before they split up. That would most likely hit 1 of them then there are still 3 charging, they split up for there attack. She throws another 2-3, at one and now that it is closer, she is way more likely to hit it. Then she continues until they are gone. If 1 clone manages to get by her than she sets up the Chakra Rope Trap, and continues to throw kunai and shuriken. Now, he has to avoid those and not get stuck. So, he will either get hit or get stuck. Then gets stabbed. Now the real Konohamaru is charging her with a Rasengan from a couple meters, she uses Chakra Rope Trap and traps him because he can't maneuver away. She throws a kunai at the clone. Bye clone, then throw another at Kono and he bleeds to death. And that's only IF he manages to nake 5.

3: There is no proof that he could have continued afterwords. He would have most likely been huffing and puffing and her extra energy from his 'big' win wore off.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 04:05 PM
1: Kono was never shown too be able to create 5 clones, was he? 2, was the most he has ever shown. So let's say he only summons those 2. Then... The same thing i posted before happens. There won't be an omni-directional attack on Ino.

2: If he DID manage to create 5 clones, that makes 6 of him, correct? The real Kono and 1 clone would stay back to charge up Rasengan, while the other 4 travel 50 meters. Ino has some options. She throws 3-4 kunai in their direction before they split up. That would most likely hit 1 of them then there are still 3 charging, they split up for there attack. She throws another 2-3, at one and now that it is closer, she is way more likely to hit it. Then she continues until they are gone. If 1 clone manages to get by her than she sets up the Chakra Rope Trap, and continues to throw kunai and shuriken. Now, he has to avoid those and not get stuck. So, he will either get hit or get stuck. Then gets stabbed. Now the real Konohamaru is charging her with a Rasengan from a couple meters, she uses Chakra Rope Trap and traps him because he can't maneuver away. She throws a kunai at the clone. Bye clone, then throw another at Kono and he bleeds to death. And that's only IF he manages to nake 5.

3: There is no proof that he could have continued afterwords. He would have most likely been huffing and puffing and her extra energy from his 'big' win wore off.

1 The fact he fought Pain and was not tired proved that he could continue fighting.

2. You did not prove Ino could stop them. You had alot of what if's. Konohamaru has the reactions to block any Kunai she throws at him. Bloodlusted they will be attacking right away. Meaning a kunai spread coming at four different angles right from the start that means she would have to dodge no time for her hair jutsu. The location is pretty big so it will be easy to circle her. Remember she has to attack 4-5 different people all of which has reactions as fast or faster than her. What does she have hair jutsu won't work it will be blown away if Kono uses a paper bomb barrage. Not only that she can't dodge all the paperbombs. She doesn't have those type of reactions of movement. She would definelty be done in if Konohamaru uses a clone feint. She captures a clone he hit in the back.

3. Least he has a win. All Ino does is run around and faint. She barely even land attacks on her opponents. He wasn't huffing puffing so you know that means he could have kept fighting and used more chakra.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 04:16 PM
1 The fact he fought Pain and was not tired proved that he could continue fighting.

*The weakest path* of Pain. and we don't know if he could continue fighting. He was exicited for his vidtory, yelled and that fight was over, iirc. He could have passed ou afterwords.

2. You did not prove Ino could stop them. You had alot of what if's. Konohamaru has the reactions to block any Kunai she throws at him. Bloodlusted they will be attacking right away. Meaning a kunai spread coming at four different angles right from the start that means she would have to dodge no time for her hair jutsu. The location is pretty big so it will be easy to circle her. Remember she has to attack 4-5 different people all of which has reactions as fast or faster than her. What does she have hair jutsu won't work it will be blown away if Kono uses a paper bomb barrage. Not only that she can't dodge all the paperbombs. She doesn't have those type of reactions of movement. She would definelty be done in if Konohamaru uses a clone feint. She captures a clone he hit in the back.

Yes i did. I proved that she would throw kunai and hit them, etc. Re-read that post. And either way, Kono was only ever shown to summon 2 clones. Against a, what was very hyped up- to be a very strong opponenent. If he could have summoned more clones he would ha have. So he wouldn't be able to summon more than 3 clones.
Anyway. They don't start out on all side's of Ino, they have to get there first. So Kono summons them, she tosses a paper bomb and kunai in his direction while he prep's his Rasengan, unless he stops and wastes a lot of his chakra, he dies. So he stops his Rasengan prep to move. Now he has less chakra to use, making each clone have less chakra invested in them. Now each of his clones and himself are moving slower and slower, while Ino only had to throw a kunai. To deal with the clones, she throws another kunai and explosive paper at each of the clones, they get blown up. And it they don't she continues to throw projectiles at them until they are gone. Now a tired Kono is approaching her, so she sets up her trap. If he can summon up another clone and still have enought chakra to make a Rasengan, he does. Then they go STRAIGHT. And continue to go straight, until they get caught in the trap. Ino throws another kunai and papaer bomb for the kill.

3. Least he has a win. All Ino does is run around and faint. She barely even land attacks on her opponents.

No, explained above.


In green, and again, the most clones Kono could possibly make are 3. With 3 Ino easily could take him down.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 04:30 PM
*The weakest path* of Pain. and we don't know if he could continue fighting. He was exicited for his vidtory, yelled and that fight was over, iirc. He could have passed ou afterwords.

Who still was slaughtering people left and right. Who was still faster and stronger than Ino. So are you saying Naraku is weaker than Ino. Watch what you say this will prove your wanking level.

Yes i did. I proved that she would throw kunai and hit them, etc. Re-read that post. And either way, Kono was only ever shown to summon 2 clones. Against a, what was very hyped up- to be a very strong opponenent. If he could have summoned more clones he would ha have. So he wouldn't be able to summon more than 3 clones.
Anyway. They don't start out on all side's of Ino, they have to get there first. So Kono summons them, she tosses a paper bomb and kunai in his direction while he prep's his Rasengan, unless he stops and wastes a lot of his chakra, he dies. So he stops his Rasengan prep to move. Now he has less chakra to use, making each clone have less chakra invested in them. Now each of his clones and himself are moving slower and slower, while Ino only had to throw a kunai. To deal with the clones, she throws another kunai and explosive paper at each of the clones, they get blown up. And it they don't she continues to throw projectiles at them until they are gone. Now a tired Kono is approaching her, so she sets up her trap. If he can summon up another clone and still have enought chakra to make a Rasengan, he does. Then they go STRAIGHT. And continue to go straight, until they get caught in the trap. Ino throws another kunai and papaer bomb for the kill.

She is one person she has slightly average ninja skills. A few jutsu of note. Again she will not be hitting Konohamaru at 50 meters. 50 meters is easy to run but still far as hell to throw a kunai. Konohamaru will dodge that at ease. Reaction is easily fast enough to dodge Ino kunai attack. Considering he only has to block one person and knows what direction the attacks are coming from. Ino on the otherhand will be surrounded in at least four different directions. She cannot keep track of all of them. She does not have that type of skill. If she does prove it. If you can't prove it you are just wanking. Ino has done next to nothing the entire manga. There is no comparison.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 04:32 PM
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about Konohomaru's failure to blitz Ino. Unless you provide me proof that Konohomaru is gonna blitz Ino, then your claim is invalid.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 05:02 PM
Who still was slaughtering people left and right. Who was still faster and stronger than Ino. So are you saying Naraku is weaker than Ino. Watch what you say this will prove your wanking level.

HE was NOT slaughtering people left and right. Chapter and Page where NARAKA Path was slughtering any person worth any intrest, which you havent done yet. No, I do not think that Naraka is a worse character than Ino, and i'm not wanking on Ino. But, you on the other hand are being completely far-fetched saying that NARAKA Path is slaughtering anyone worth importance.

She is one person she has slightly average ninja skills. A few jutsu of note. Again she will not be hitting Konohamaru at 50 meters. 50 meters is easy to run but still far as hell to throw a kunai. Konohamaru will dodge that at ease. Reaction is easily fast enough to dodge Ino kunai attack. Considering he only has to block one person and knows what direction the attacks are coming from. Ino on the otherhand will be surrounded in at least four different directions. She cannot keep track of all of them. She does not have that type of skill. If she does prove it. If you can't prove it you are just wanking. Ino has done next to nothing the entire manga. There is no comparison.

You FINALLY agree that 50 meters is far enough. And you just contradicted yourself. You just said that 50 meters is too far to throw anything and hit the person, when the whole time you have been saying the would surround Ino and throw things at her from the distance. Now do you realize the stupidity of your responses?
IF she can get surrounded, it will NOT be 4 sides. Konohamaru can only summon up to 3 clones at best. And that would make 4 of him. 2 would be used for prepping Rasengan. Only 2 clones that Ino has to deal with. I already stated how she can kill them and the real Kono NUMOROUS times.


Kono could only summon up to 3 clones. Then he can use 1 Rasengan, 2 is extremely far-fetched.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 05:24 PM
Eh, what? You trolled and flamed and got infracted for it.
And? You've also trolled and wanked on Ino uncontrollably. You've refused to provide proof from the Manga that shows Ino tanking any type of Technique. More so, you started putting words into my moutu throughout the entire debate.
Your only arguements were

- Konohamaru makes clones, clones use rasengan, clones travel in a straight line for 50 metres and hit Ino. Ino has dodged faster things, and has plenty of time to prepare herself.
Completely incorrect. I've stated that Konohomaru will summon Kage Bunshins to destract Ino, long enough for him to land a hit on Ino. I've never claimed anything about clones using a Rasengan, nor have I claimed anything about the clones traveling in a straight line for 50 meters and hit Ino. I've stated that the clones will destract Ino, long enough for Konohomaru to form a Rasengan, and land a devestating blow on her. You have yet to prove to me that Ino can block a multitude of kunai and shuriken thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins. THAT'S what I've said. The next time you want to make a rant about the way I debate, make sure you read my comments more carefully, instead of trolling, post-farming, and wanking.
- Rasengan hit Naraka Path, weakest Path of Pein with practically no feats - into a wall and knocked him out, and therefore will do the same with Ino.
MASSIVE fail OVER 9000!!!!!! Naraka Path reacted to the Rasenshuriken (a Supersonic+ speed attack) by jumping out of the way, after Naruto threw the Rasenshuriken at the Paths. Naraka also tanked a Rasengan from Konohomaru, as well as taking down Chunin and Jonin from Konohagakure no Sato. Learn to read the Manga, then come back at me.
When Naraka was hit, it stood still and faced the opposite direction. Ino won't.
Ino will be destracted.
- Ino cannot heal back from Konos rasengan, despite it not having any feats asides knocking Asura into a wall and KOing him for a short while. Even though Ino healed back from damage which far exceeded that.
First off, Konohomaru's Rasengan didn't knocked Asura into a wall. It was Naraka, so get your facts straight. Second, the Rasengan also dealt internal damage onto Naraka Path. The Naraka Path can't feel pain, so why bother of trying to prove me wrong?

I proved all those wrong so many times. His lack of speed, minimal chakra reserves, lack of intelligence and weak offensive jutsu won't be giving him any wins.
Incorrect. His lack of speed? Ino won't use her speed in a fight, while being bloodlusted, unless it deals with dodging kunai and shuriken. However, we have no guarantee how far of a distance Ino's Shunshin can reach, therefore, making the Technique unquantifiable. Minimal chakra reserves? I've proven this claim wrong many times over. Konohomaru has rather large chakra reserves. He was able to develop the main part of the Rasengan, which requires a lot of chakra to perform. A regular Genin can't perform this Technique, because they have small chakra reserves. Konohomaru DOESN'T. Lack of intelligence? What the hell is wrong with you? Konohomaru managed to trick the Naraka Path, by fooling him into thinking that he had the real Konohomaru at his mercy. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a clone. Want to know what that's called? Do you? I'll tell you. It's called STRATEGY. Weak offensive Jutsu? Yeah, you're seriously on that stuff. Konohomaru's "weak offensive Jutsus" are B Ranked and A Ranked Techniques. The Rasengan damages muscle tissue, organs, and bones, while the Kage Bunshin no Jutsu not only improves the user's training, the user also gains knowledge that the clone experience, as well as the clone being supplied with chakra itself. This will enable the clone to use Techniques also. And you call them weak offensive Jutsu? What in the hell?

I'm not going to debate this anymore, tyrell. About 70% of everything said had already been said about ten times, you've been giving silly replies to things like " Give me proof that this happened " with " Give me proof that this didn't happen "
Which you have yet to do so. You've failed to provide me feats from the Manga that Ino can tank a Rasengan. You've failed to prove to me that Ino has the required reaction speed, necessary to dodge, deflect, and/or counter all kunai and shuriken thrown by Konohomaru and his Kage Bunshins. You've failed to prove to me that Ino has enough chakra to heal the internal damage done to her body. You've failed to prove to me that Ino can heal the internal damage done to her organs, muscle tissue, and bones.
and your perpetual claims of me having little intelligence or being an idiot
What the hell is wrong with you? I've never claimed that you had lack of intelligence.
have pretty much drained any muse I had left in this debate. So as I was saying, further debate is essentially pointless.
Ok then.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 06:38 PM
HE was NOT slaughtering people left and right. Chapter and Page where NARAKA Path was slughtering any person worth any intrest, which you havent done yet. No, I do not think that Naraka is a worse character than Ino, and i'm not wanking on Ino. But, you on the other hand are being completely far-fetched saying that NARAKA Path is slaughtering anyone worth importance.



I am not being far fetched at all. You are forgetting important facts. Fact one you have to go to hell and back to be a chunin or Jonin. Just because they are no name doesn't diminish the fact they made jonin they still need a certain level of skill and strength to become. Ebisu is still a jonin. Then you are obviously downplaying the frs dodging speed feat. Frs was in there face faster than before they could even really move and Naraku still dodged it. Konohamaru dodged and reacted to a blitz from that type of speed. Thats why I keep saying he could easily surround Ino. 50 meters at top form can be ran in 6 secs

You FINALLY agree that 50 meters is far enough. And you just contradicted yourself. You just said that 50 meters is too far to throw anything and hit the person, when the whole time you have been saying the would surround Ino and throw things at her from the distance. Now do you realize the stupidity of your responses?
IF she can get surrounded, it will NOT be 4 sides. Konohamaru can only summon up to 3 clones at best. And that would make 4 of him. 2 would be used for prepping Rasengan. Only 2 clones that Ino has to deal with. I already stated how she can kill them and the real Kono NUMOROUS times.


No what I said is a normal human can close the distance in under 10 secs if they are fast enough. Kono is not he is faster than a normal human meaning he can close the gap even faster. I never once said anything about launching an attack from that far I was reffering to close range. Kono is easily fast enought to surround Ino. She won't be taking out any clones seeing as the entire Naraku feat is basically done by a clone. It is asinine to think that Ino can take one clone out in one throw of Kunai. Konahamaru would block that or launch an attack simultaniously. Your entire arguement is assumption of Ino is capable of reacting that fast. Ino didn't even dodge an attack from Kakakuza she just said look out and stayed behind the trees. She even says she isn't skilled at fighting. So unless you have any real feats of Ino doing anything at all speed blitz. You really have nothing since that Kakazu lightning dodge is garbage. She gets blitzed fight over ( ch 334 pg 15 see no dodging meaning the she really is that useless.)

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 07:04 PM
I am not being far fetched at all. You are forgetting important facts. Fact one you have to go to hell and back to be a chunin or Jonin. Just because they are no name doesn't diminish the fact they made jonin they still need a certain level of skill and strength to become. Ebisu is still a jonin. Then you are obviously downplaying the frs dodging speed feat. Frs was in there face faster than before they could even really move and Naraku still dodged it. Konohamaru dodged and reacted to a blitz from that type of speed. Thats why I keep saying he could easily surround Ino. 50 meters at top form can be ran in 6 secs

That doesn't mean that they are good fighters. We don't know that they even put up a fight at all. Or Naraka could have been beating them he whole time. We don't know. But what we saw was him grabbing two ninjas. They could have been Genins for all we know. Ebisu is a Jonin and he still got beat yes, but what have we seen from Ebisu?
Okay, so Kono jumped out of no where and ducked under a kick from Naraka. Not reacted and dodged to a huge blitz. They weren't far apart so it was more like, Naraka kicked and thrust forward, and Kono reacterd the ducked. His momentum from jumping off of that obuilding also helped him to duck. Then he got kicked into a wall. So he doesn't have super awesome reaction just because he dodged ONE kick, then got kicked into a wall the next second. Running Speed and Reacting Speed are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Just because Kono dodged ONE kick from Naraka, doesn't mean he can speedblitz Ino. I would like Proof of Kono's running speed. Not that it matters, but it WAS far-fetched of you saying Naraka was slaughtering people left and right.

No what I said is a normal human can close the distance in under 10 secs if they are fast enough. Kono is not he is faster than a normal human meaning he can close the gap even faster. I never once said anything about launching an attack from that far I was reffering to close range. Kono is easily fast enought to surround Ino. She won't be taking out any clones seeing as the entire Naraku feat is basically done by a clone. It is asinine to think that Ino can take one clone out in one throw of Kunai. Konahamaru would block that or launch an attack simultaniously. Your entire arguement is assumption of Ino is capable of reacting that fast[/COLOR].[/COLOR] Ino didn't even dodge an attack from Kakakuza she just said look out and stayed behind the trees. She even says she isn't skilled at fighting. So unless you have any real feats of Ino doing anything at all speed blitz. You really have nothing since that Kakazu lightning dodge is garbage. She gets blitzed fight over

[COLOR="green"]Kono has never showed such RUNNING speeds. Reacting to ONE Narka kick is a feat. But then he got kicked straight into the wall the next panel. So, he wasn't continually reacting to kicks from Naraka, only 1.
A normal human can run 164 feet in 10 seconds. No. And your saying that Kono's speed is about = Kakashi's speed? Because i'm prety sure that Kakashi can travel 164 feet in 6 seconds.
In summoning clones, Kono is diving his chakra into the clones he creates, iirc. So, creating a max of 3 clones he is dividing his chakra into 4 parts, therefore he has less chakra to his own body, plus 1 of his clones is going to help him create his Rasengan. Only 2 clones will be charging Ino from right off the bat.
She throws numerous kunai and shuriken at them, if they keep dodging, and get close, she sets her Chakra Rope Trap and continues to throw kunai and shuriken. Now, if your going to tell me that Kono's clones can keep dodging as they are close, you are absurd. If 1 manages to dodge all the projectiles, they can throw an explosive paper, which she can deflect with her own kunai, and then move out of the way. Kono's clone will charge her eventually and she will trap him in her Chakra Rope Trap, then she stabs him. Kono and his clone now are charging her with Rasengan. He sets up another trap in the direction Kono is coming they get trapped she kills them. How many times must i say this?Mind you, it is not garbage. The heart had the lightning was forming Ino saw it and warned Shika and Choji before they got hit then the next panel the lightning is already in front of Shika and Choji. Saying that this is garbage, is just like saying that Kono can 'blitz' Ino.


For the LAST time, Kono can only summon 2, MAYBE 3 clones. Not 5, so Ino will not be 'blitzed' from all sides.
I never said dodged the lightning. READ my posts, i said Reacted to the lightning and dodges the Searing Migraine.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:08 PM
You people need to prove your claims that Kono can summon 2 or 3 or so clones. We have no idea how many clones he can summon.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 07:15 PM
For the LAST time, Kono can only summon 2, MAYBE 3 clones. Not 5, so Ino will not be 'blitzed' from all sides.
I never said dodged the lightning. READ my posts, i said Reacted to the lightning and dodges the Searing Migraine.

She would be blitzed her fighting skills are still the same as part 1. Konohamaru speed and reaction are way above hers. . She didn't even move in the scene with Kakakuza lightning attack. The only reason I humored this thread was based on that feat. I find out thats not even true. She has no fighting feats worth mentioning. Kono battle scene with Naraku stomps the crap out of any feat Ino has. What has she done that can even compare towards Kono fight with Naraku.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:16 PM
Devil's Lawyer, I know that Konohomaru wins this, but you need to prove Konohomaru's speed.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 07:21 PM
Devil's Lawyer, I know that Konohomaru wins this, but you need to prove Konohomaru's speed.

Speed is proven he dodged and avoided Naraku blitz. ch 428 pg 1 shows it perfectly. I have been mentioning this scene the entire time. Naraku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ino. People downplay the scene don't know why. Also stop spamming the thread tyrell.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:22 PM
Ah, ok. Yeah, that only proves his reaction speed.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 07:27 PM
Ah, ok. Yeah, that only proves his reaction speed.

Uh no it proves speed to considering how fast he backed out of Naraku range.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 07:38 PM
@Tyrell: He was only shown to summon 2 clones during the fight with Naraka.
And him being a Genin and still being young would mean he can't have much chakra reserve to create more than 2 or 3 clones.
Now i would like to see proof that Kono has this super speed.

She would be blitzed her fighting skills are still the same as part 1. Konohamaru speed and reaction are way above hers. . She didn't even move in the scene with Kakakuza lightning attack. The only reason I humored this thread was based on that feat. I find out thats not even true. She has no fighting feats worth mentioning. Kono battle scene with Naraku stomps the crap out of any feat Ino has. What has she done that can even compare towards Kono fight with Naraku.

~What is that based off of? Nothing? You haven't shown ANY proof that Kono has moderately good running speed.
~She doesn't need to move to react.
~No proof that Kono has better speed, and he might have better reaction speed, but i don't know because he only managed to dodge ONE kick from Naraka before being smashed into a wall. If you can't come up with a better feat then admit your defeat.
~-Some mentioned things, Kono has no Taijutsu feats.
-INO fought with Sakura for 10 minutes straight and was able to keep up with and fight back to Sakura's Taijutsu, so she actually stomps Kono in close-combat.
-Ino also saw that the Lightning attack was coming before Shika and Choji and was able to warn them. (Reaction.) She also reacted to and dodged Kakuzu's elemental blast. Which was in one planel beginning to come then in the next panel comletly past them. Proof for speed off that jutsu.
-During the Pain Invasion, when Human Path interrupted that little meeting, Ino and the Anbu guy were the only two to make any sign off noticing him. Then, Ino was the first of the 3 to get out of the smoke bomb dropped Human Path.

You didn't even counter anything from my last post.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:48 PM
Devil's Lawyer, since you don't understand the concept of the situation of Chapter 428 Page 1, let me break it down for you little by little. Naraka Path came, and attempted to blitz Konohomaru with a kick. Konohomaru dodged the kick, and moved out of the way. While he moved out of the way, Naraka regained his footing, and just stood there. In other words, the only thing Konohomaru has shown was his reaction speed, NOT his running speed.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 07:49 PM
Running and Reacting are different. :/

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:50 PM
@Tyrell: He was only shown to summon 2 clones during the fight with Naraka.
And him being a Genin and still being young would mean he can't have much chakra reserve to create more than 2 or 3 clones.
Now i would like to see proof that Kono has this super speed.
We can't just assume that just because Konohomaru only summoned 2 Kage Bunshins, that it's his highest number of Kage Bunshins he can summon, before he risks suffering from chakra exhaustion. I'm not saying he can summon a whole lot of them, but we need to be for sure that he can summon an accurate amount of Kage Bunshins.

Well, his chakra reserves are large enough for him to complete the main part of the Rasengan.

When did I've ever stated anything about Konohomaru's super speed?


~What is that based off of? Nothing? You haven't shown ANY proof that Kono has moderately good running speed.
~She doesn't need to move to react.
~No proof that Kono has better speed, and he might have better reaction speed, but i don't know because he only managed to dodge ONE kick from Naraka before being smashed into a wall. If you can't come up with a better feat then admit your defeat.
~-Some mentioned things, Kono has no Taijutsu feats.
-INO fought with Sakura for 10 minutes straight and was able to keep up with and fight back to Sakura's Taijutsu, so she actually stomps Kono in close-combat.
-Ino also saw that the Lightning attack was coming before Shika and Choji and was able to warn them. (Reaction.) She also reacted to and dodged Kakuzu's elemental blast. Which was in one planel beginning to come then in the next panel comletly past them. Proof for speed off that jutsu.
-During the Pain Invasion, when Human Path interrupted that little meeting, Ino and the Anbu guy were the only two to make any sign off noticing him. Then, Ino was the first of the 3 to get out of the smoke bomb dropped Human Path.

You didn't even counter anything from my last post.
In red.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:51 PM
Running and Reacting are different. :/
You don't think I know that?

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 07:52 PM
@Tyrell: He was only shown to summon 2 clones during the fight with Naraka.
And him being a Genin and still being young would mean he can't have much chakra reserve to create more than 2 or 3 clones.
Now i would like to see proof that Kono has this super speed.



-What is that based off of? Nothing? You haven't shown ANY proof that Kono has moderately good running speed.
-She doesn't need to move to react.
-No proof that Kono has better speed, and he might have better reaction speed, but i don't know because he only managed to dodge ONE kick from Naraka before being smashed into a wall. If you can't come up with a better feat then admit your defeat.
-Some mentioned things, Kono has no Taijutsu feats.
-INO fought with Sakura for 10 minutes straight and was able to keep up with and fight back to Sakura's Taijutsu, so she actually stomps Kono in close-combat.
-Ino also saw that the Lightning attack was coming before Shika and Choji and was able to warn them. (Reaction.) She also reacted to and dodged Kakuzu's elemental blast. Which was in one planel beginning to come then in the next panel comletly past them. Proof for speed off that jutsu.
-During the Pain Invasion, when Human Path interrupted that little meeting, Ino and the Anbu guy were the only two to make any sign off noticing him. Then, Ino was the first of the 3 to get out of the smoke bomb dropped Human Path.

You didn't even counter anything from my last post.

Thats cause I ignored your response. It was a wall of text going nowhere. I gave the chapter of his speed you ignored it for some reason. Considering Naraku is faster than Ino would ever be. By reacting to and getting out of range. Konohamaru proved he is faster than Ino. That one kick feat takes a dump on Ino. You still haven't proved Ino is fast enough to do anything. The reason she escaped that room was because human can only take two souls at a time. He didn't even chase her she ran some feat. I can't beleive you put her seeing an attack and yelling as feat. Stop wanking Ino she has nothing but throwing hair on the ground attack.

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:54 PM
*Bangs head on building* Devil's Lawyer, I will say this once more, so you better listen.

Konohomaru has NOT shown ANY TYPE OF RUNNING SPEED. Besides, Naraka has only shown reaction speed feats. He dodged the Rasenshuriken by jumping out of the way, but it doesn't prove his running speed. With your logic, Konohomaru is Supersonic+.

Miles Edgeworth
01-08-2011, 07:55 PM
Just to note, supposing Ino does use her chakra hair trap, why would Kono just let her stay there and cut her hair and then conspicuously channel chakra into it? It's not like Kono would stand there doing nothing.

And then when Ino does Mind Transfer, what good does that do for her? It's not like she can get an easy way out by saying "I give up" like in Chunin Exams. If there was like a body of water I could understand, but what would she actually do in a regular fighting area?

tyrell4life194
01-08-2011, 07:57 PM
Nothing. There is no proof from the Manga that Ino has the required skill in the Taijutsu field that she is capable of holding her own against Kage Bunshins.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 07:59 PM
*Bangs head on building* Devil's Lawyer, I will say this once more, so you better listen.

Konohomaru has NOT shown ANY TYPE OF RUNNING SPEED. Besides, Naraka has only shown reaction speed feats. He dodged the Rasenshuriken by jumping out of the way, but it doesn't prove his running speed. With your logic, Konohomaru is Supersonic+.

First off all Naraku didn't jump out the way to dodge he ran then jump. I never said he was supersonic plus. That is dumb to even give manga characters those rankings anyways considering speed of attacks and characters fluctuate. Anyways all that matters is Konohamaru running backward into that wall shows that he is faster than Ino.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 08:01 PM
@Tyrell: The reason he would only make two or three is because he wouldn't want to waste too much chakra and save some for his Rasengan. To make clones, you divide your chakra, correct? Well, he wouldn't divide it by too much, because then he wouldn't have enough for Rasengan.

I wasn't saying that you said super speed, DL did, and i was talking to DL when i said Running and Reacting are different things.

@ME: She would have already channeled her chakra to hit, hence trapping him.
She wouldn't use MTJ anymore.

Thats cause I ignored your response. It was a wall of text going nowhere. I gave the chapter of his speed you ignored it for some reason. Considering Naraku is faster than Ino would ever be. By reacting to and getting out of range. Konohamaru proved he is faster than Ino. That one kick feat takes a dump on Ino. You still haven't proved Ino is fast enough to do anything. The reason she escaped that room was because human can only take two souls at a time. He didn't even chase her she ran some feat. I can't beleive you put her seeing an attack and yelling as feat. Stop wanking Ino she has nothing but throwing hair on the ground attack.

So you ignored my 'wall of text' that just happened to prove you wrong? Then what is the point in me even writing?!
Just because he ducked for a kick then jumped backwards, is the same as Human dropping a bomb and Ino jumping backwards, no?
What I see as a feat, is the fact that Ino recognized a jutsu before it was dispatched and warned her comrades, then a second later it came out. It's reaction, not running.
Your the wanker here. You think that Kono can run 164 feet just because he dodged a kick then moved a foot or two over.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 08:14 PM
@Tyrell: The reason he would only make two or three is because he wouldn't want to waste too much chakra and save some for his Rasengan. To make clones, you divide your chakra, correct? Well, he wouldn't divide it by too much, because then he wouldn't have enough for Rasengan.

I wasn't saying that you said super speed, DL did, and i was talking to DL when i said Running and Reacting are different things.

@ME: She would have already channeled her chakra to hit, hence trapping him.
She wouldn't use MTJ anymore.



So you ignored my 'wall of text' that just happened to prove you wrong? Then what is the point in me even writing?!
Just because he ducked for a kick then jumped backwards, is the same as Human dropping a bomb and Ino jumping backwards, no?
What I see as a feat, is the fact that Ino recognized a jutsu before it was dispatched and warned her comrades, then a second later it came out. It's reaction, not running.
Your the wanker here. You think that Kono can run 164 feet just because he dodged a kick then moved a foot or two over.

One I never said he had super speed. I just said that he is faster than Ino. The fact that you don't know how fast 50 meters is ran tells me you need to do some cardio. You haven't proved me wrong in the least just wanking. Konohamaru one scene proved he was faster. Show one scene of Ino doing anything like that. Human didn't even attack her just tossed the bomb and went after the anbu members. She ran while he was doing that. Put the chapter and page up. Yelling and standing still is not a reaction feat. Only a retard would say so are you a retard. I don't even know what you are arguing Ino doesn't even know how to fight. The only scene of her fighting is in part I. Her combat feats don't even compare.

mikeiskewl922
01-08-2011, 08:25 PM
One I never said he had super speed. I just said that he is faster than Ino. The fact that you don't know how fast 50 meters is ran tells me you need to do some cardio. You haven't proved me wrong in the least just wanking. Konohamaru one scene proved he was faster. Show one scene of Ino doing anything like that. Human didn't even attack her just tossed the bomb and went after the anbu members. She ran while he was doing that. Put the chapter and page up. Yelling and standing still is not a reaction feat. Only a retard would say so are you a retard. I don't even know what you are arguing Ino doesn't even know how to fight. The only scene of her fighting is in part I. Her combat feats don't even compare.

So, you just called me fat and retarded. Thanks for that boost to my self-esteem, considering i'm actually underweight.

Anyway heres the chapter and page for the Human Path part: Chapter and Page: Ch. 428; Pg. 15

And no, once again, you have failed. You haven't proven that he is faster. Just because he ducked and moved back a couple steps, doesn't mean he can run 164 feet in 6 seconds.

Devil's Lawyer
01-08-2011, 08:43 PM
So, you just called me fat and retarded. Thanks for that boost to my self-esteem, considering i'm actually underweight.

Anyway heres the chapter and page for the Human Path part: Chapter and Page: Ch. 428; Pg. 15

And no, once again, you have failed. You haven't proven that he is faster. Just because he ducked and moved back a couple steps, doesn't mean he can run 164 feet in 6 seconds.

I didn't call you fat or retarded just layed the options out to you. :lol:

I give you that bomb feat. The bomb still had delay function gave them time to get out of the way.

I am not gonna keep arguing the 50 meters scenario. Anyone who play sports will tell you how wrong you are on that front. Yes he is she dodged a bomb most bombs are delayed giving the user time to get away. Konohamaru actually reacted to Naraku taijutsu and blitz.

How can you stand there and say she could win this fight when she has no real feats. Hair trap jutsu useless on an open field when an opponent can easily avoid it or blow it away. Mind transfer jutsu useless Konohamaru would doge it. Konohamaru hits her with a rasengan in the face.

Just to note, supposing Ino does use her chakra hair trap, why would Kono just let her stay there and cut her hair and then conspicuously channel chakra into it? It's not like Kono would stand there doing nothing.

And then when Ino does Mind Transfer, what good does that do for her? It's not like she can get an easy way out by saying "I give up" like in Chunin Exams. If there was like a body of water I could understand, but what would she actually do in a regular fighting area?

^ This

e710
01-08-2011, 09:46 PM
Ino can't take Kon's taijutsu with his clones and they can over power her or he could use some clones to hold her then use rasengan and she'll lose.

Miles Edgeworth
01-08-2011, 10:03 PM
@ME: She would have already channeled her chakra to hit, hence trapping him.


Even if Kono gets trapped, what would Ino do though? It's not like Kono can't react to her with her low speed showings. Plus Kono could arguably attempt to cut the hair off.

The reason chakra hair trap worked so well for Ino against Sakura was because it allowed her to easily use MTJ on Sakura considering how easy of a target she was for that. That's honestly the only thing it would help much for though.

Lady Tsunade
01-09-2011, 02:36 AM
Just to note, supposing Ino does use her chakra hair trap, why would Kono just let her stay there and cut her hair and then conspicuously channel chakra into it? It's not like Kono would stand there doing nothing.

And then when Ino does Mind Transfer, what good does that do for her? It's not like she can get an easy way out by saying "I give up" like in Chunin Exams. If there was like a body of water I could understand, but what would she actually do in a regular fighting area?

Well, they're at 50 metres. Konohamaru isn't fast. So prepping for it should be too hard, especially if she used Bunshins to confuse him or something.

She can throw an explosive kunai at the ground, release her body and watch him go boom.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:28 AM
First off all Naraku didn't jump out the way to dodge he ran then jump.
Ok then.
I never said he was supersonic plus.
I never claimed you did.
That is dumb to even give manga characters those rankings anyways considering speed of attacks and characters fluctuate.
Speed Comparison, Powerscaling, and Feats bro.
Anyways all that matters is Konohamaru running backward into that wall shows that he is faster than Ino.
No, it doesn't. I've proven you wrong on this claim. Quite a few times actually. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:30 AM
@Tyrell: The reason he would only make two or three is because he wouldn't want to waste too much chakra and save some for his Rasengan. To make clones, you divide your chakra, correct? Well, he wouldn't divide it by too much, because then he wouldn't have enough for Rasengan.
Correct. Without the use of Rasengan, Konohomaru can summon 3-4 maybe even 5 Kage Bunshins. However, we must note that the Kage Bunshin is no basic Technique. It's a Jonin Rank Technique, which divides chakra into each Kage Bunshin equally.
I wasn't saying that you said super speed, DL did, and i was talking to DL when i said Running and Reacting are different things.

@ME: She would have already channeled her chakra to hit, hence trapping him.
She wouldn't use MTJ anymore.



So you ignored my 'wall of text' that just happened to prove you wrong? Then what is the point in me even writing?!
Just because he ducked for a kick then jumped backwards, is the same as Human dropping a bomb and Ino jumping backwards, no?
What I see as a feat, is the fact that Ino recognized a jutsu before it was dispatched and warned her comrades, then a second later it came out. It's reaction, not running.
Your the wanker here. You think that Kono can run 164 feet just because he dodged a kick then moved a foot or two over.
In green.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:31 AM
Well, they're at 50 metres. Konohamaru isn't fast. So prepping for it should be too hard, especially if she used Bunshins to confuse him or something.

She can throw an explosive kunai at the ground, release her body and watch him go boom.
Explosive kunai? As long as she's far away from it. A better idea is to use smoke bombs.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:34 AM
Also, since Konohomaru reacted to Naraka's Taijutsu and speedblitz, then he shouldn't have no problems as to dodge Ino's Taijutsu skills.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 01:57 PM
No, it doesn't. I've proven you wrong on this claim. Quite a few times actually. I wouldn't argue on this subject if I were you.

Yes it does considering it was a fight he dodged and reacted two times. Not to mention when he blitzed Naraku before he had time to defend against the rasengan. I can argue all I want considering you are talking out your ass as usual.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Yes it does considering it was a fight he dodged and reacted two times. Not to mention when he blitzed Naraku before he had time to defend against the rasengan. I can argue all I want considering you are talking out your ass as usual.
Completely incorrect. It only proves that Konohomaru has faster reaction speed, NOT running speed. Try again sir.

COMPLETELY incorrect. Konohomaru did not blitzed Naraka, because Naraka didn't faced Konohomaru, when Konohomaru impaled him with his Rasengan. Naraka has not known that the real Konohomaru was behind him, prior to the time when Konohomaru impaled Naraka with his Rasengan. Try again sir.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 02:08 PM
Completely incorrect. It only proves that Konohomaru has faster reaction speed, NOT running speed. Try again sir.

COMPLETELY incorrect. Konohomaru did not blitzed Naraka, because Naraka didn't faced Konohomaru, when Konohomaru impaled him with his Rasengan. Naraka has not known that the real Konohomaru was behind him, prior to the time when Konohomaru impaled Naraka with his Rasengan. Try again sir.

No you are wrong Naraku in ch 428 pg 3 kicked Ebisu a jonin in the throat while his back was turned. But that is not the issue considering on pg 6 showed that he seen Konhamaru coming at him with the rasengan. He couldn't even react.

mikeiskewl922
01-09-2011, 03:10 PM
I didn't call you fat or retarded just layed the options out to you. :lol:

You said i should work out and you did se the word retarded.

I give you that bomb feat. The bomb still had delay function gave them time to get out of the way.

But Ino wasn't getting out of the way before it went off, and she got out o0f teh way as the smoke exploded.

I am not gonna keep arguing the 50 meters scenario. Anyone who play sports will tell you how wrong you are on that front. Yes he is she dodged a bomb most bombs are delayed giving the user time to get away. Konohamaru actually reacted to Naraku taijutsu and blitz.

And that would mean Ino could dodge anything too, so Kono wouldn't want to run straight into anything either. And since when is Kono and athlete? He's still a young Genin.

How can you stand there and say she could win this fight when she has no real feats. Hair trap jutsu useless on an open field when an opponent can easily avoid it or blow it away. Mind transfer jutsu useless Konohamaru would doge it. Konohamaru hits her with a rasengan in the face.

I already listed her feats, and you probably didn't read that either. And example of ehy you should read before you post. He is she puts her chakra inot it, it wouldn't be blown away.

@ME: She can stab him in the face or throw a kunai to kill him.
Kono can't just cut the chakra.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 03:31 PM
You said i should work out and you did se the word retarded.

I said if you don't know how fast it is to run 50 meters means you need to do more cardio. I also said if you list Ino seeing an attack and just yelling as a feat that is something a retard would do. I then said are you a retard.

But Ino wasn't getting out of the way before it went off, and she got out o0f teh way as the smoke exploded.

I gave you the feat. She still can't beat Konohamaru he is the superior in combat. Speed is still equal or higher.

And that would mean Ino could dodge anything too, so Kono wouldn't want to run straight into anything either. And since when is Kono and athlete? He's still a young Genin.

That doesn't mean anything except she can dodge a little. She wouldn't win in close combat. She has no taijutsu skills or any real combat skills. Kono on the other hand is clearly superior in that aspect.

I already listed her feats, and you probably didn't read that either. And example of ehy you should read before you post. He is she puts her chakra inot it, it wouldn't be blown away.

Yes it would considering she can't constantly pump chakra into. Also she would be able to trap all of the clones. She would still end up getting hit with a rasengan. Konohamaru has the superior combat feats. She has none that trick only worked on Sakura who had no real training. In combat Kono is the superior fighter.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 04:11 PM
No you are wrong Naraku in ch 428 pg 3 kicked Ebisu a jonin in the throat while his back was turned. But that is not the issue considering on pg 6 showed that he seen Konhamaru coming at him with the rasengan. He couldn't even react.
So what you're saying, since Naraka reacted to Rasenshuriken (which is a Supersonic+ attack), then that means Naraka has Supersonic+ reaction speed. But since he couldn't react to Konohomaru, that makes Konohomaru Hypersonic? That makes no sense.

Incorrect. Naraka didn't react, because he was surprised that the real Konohomaru came from behind with a Rasengan. Try again sir.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 04:27 PM
So what you're saying, since Naraka reacted to Rasenshuriken (which is a Supersonic+ attack), then that means Naraka has Supersonic+ reaction speed. But since he couldn't react to Konohomaru, that makes Konohomaru Hypersonic? That makes no sense.

Incorrect. Naraka didn't react, because he was surprised that the real Konohomaru came from behind with a Rasengan. Try again sir.

No that is what you are saying. Naraku out ran and dodged frs that is a fact. Konahamaru survived a blitz and hit Naraku before he could react that is a fact.

No the big eyeball in the corner of the page shows that he was aware of Kono was attacking he just couldn't react. I see you ignored when Naraku kicked Ebisu in the throat without looking. So you can't even use that as an excuse. He saw Kono anyways.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 04:29 PM
No that is what you are saying.
Naraku out ran and dodged frs that is a fact. Konahamaru survived a blitz and hit Naraku before he could react that is a fact.
So, with your logic, Konohomaru is Hypersonic.
No the big eyeball in the corner of the page shows that he was aware of Kono was attacking he just couldn't react.
He was surprised. See the bigass exclamation point? It means that he was surprised that the real Konohomaru was behind him, with a Rasengan at hand.
I see you ignored when Naraku kicked Ebisu in the throat without looking.
Irrelevant.
So you can't even use that as an excuse.
I'm not. The hell you talking about?
He saw Kono anyways.
And? He was still surprised. Try again sir.

mikeiskewl922
01-09-2011, 04:47 PM
I said if you don't know how fast it is to run 50 meters means you need to do more cardio. I also said if you list Ino seeing an attack and just yelling as a feat that is something a retard would do. I then said are you a retard.

I gave you the feat. She still can't beat Konohamaru he is the superior in combat. Speed is still equal or higher.

That doesn't mean anything except she can dodge a little. She wouldn't win in close combat. She has no taijutsu skills or any real combat skills. Kono on the other hand is clearly superior in that aspect.

Yes it would considering she can't constantly pump chakra into. Also she would be able to trap all of the clones. She would still end up getting hit with a rasengan. Konohamaru has the superior combat feats. She has none that trick only worked on Sakura who had no real training. In combat Kono is the superior fighter.

Either way, the comments weren't neccesary. I find it hard to believe that humans could run 164 feet in less than 10 seconds.

How on earth is Kono's speed close to Ino's? We have never seen him RUN fastly in the manga. And Ino, as a matter of fact, does have Taijutsu feats. She fought for 10 minutes with Sakura using and blocking Sakura's Taijutsu. When was Kono ever shiwn any Taijutsu except when he dodged a kick from Naraka then a second later got kicked into a wall by the same person. Your are saying the complete opposite things. It is Kono who has almost no Taijutsu feats.

She can pump chakra into it before it gets blown away, then release the chakra. Then put it again when Kono is close.
No real training? She did have Kakashi as a teacher. And she almost almost took out Zaku, had she not tried ate his arm then tank some punches and get knocked to the side.


Where does Kono ever show Taijutsu feats?

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 04:55 PM
And? He was still surprised. Try again sir.

Ignoring you now since you won't admit you are wrong. He saw Kono and has the ability to react even without looking. The fact that Kono was fast enough to hit him before he could react proves Kono is fast.

mikeiskewl922
01-09-2011, 04:57 PM
He most likely didn't react to Ebisu because he was yelling and stomping to protect Kono. Pretty noticablte.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 05:03 PM
Either way, the comments weren't neccesary. I find it hard to believe that humans could run 164 feet in less than 10 seconds.

Then you don't play sports. Not my fault you don't know that common knowledge.

How on earth is Kono's speed close to Ino's? We have never seen him RUN fastly in the manga. And Ino, as a matter of fact, does have Taijutsu feats. She fought for 10 minutes with Sakura using and blocking Sakura's Taijutsu. When was Kono ever shiwn any Taijutsu except when he dodged a kick from Naraka then a second later got kicked into a wall by the same person. Your are saying the complete opposite things. It is Kono who has almost no Taijutsu feats.

The fact he hit Naraku before he could react proves he is fast. You don't get the fact that Naraku is jonin plus stronger. Ino has never fought anyone that strong. That fight against Sakura no comparison.

She can pump chakra into it before it gets blown away, then release the chakra. Then put it again when Kono is close.
No real training? She did have Kakashi as a teacher. And she almost almost took out Zaku, had she not tried ate his arm then tank some punches and get knocked to the side.


That doesn't mean Kono will be caught by it. One no proof Ino hair can't be blown away. Two she has not shown she has the skills to control her chakra like that. Sakaru learned to walk up a tree some training. THhat was plot if he spammed his attacks she would have died.

Where does Kono ever show Taijutsu feats?

Hitting him with the Rasengan and dodging Naraku is taijutsu.

Ino still dies

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 05:11 PM
Ignoring you now since you won't admit you are wrong. He saw Kono and has the ability to react even without looking. The fact that Kono was fast enough to hit him before he could react proves Kono is fast.
Because I'm not wrong. Naraka looked behind him. Naraka was surprised that Konohomaru was behind him with a Rasengan. Due to him being surprised, instead of acting on instinct, he gets impaled by Konohomaru's Rasengan. It's simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.

mikeiskewl922
01-09-2011, 05:25 PM
Then you don't play sports. Not my fault you don't know that common knowledge.

I play Volleyball and I run laps. It's not common knowledge that people don't just run 164 feet within under 10 seconds. I would like some sort of concrete proof that Kono can run at that speed.

The fact he hit Naraku before he could react proves he is fast. You don't get the fact that Naraku is jonin plus stronger. Ino has never fought anyone that strong. That fight against Sakura no comparison.

The only reason that he didn't react was because he wasn't trying any longer, bcause he thought he had Kono trapped.
No he isn't, the rank of those 2 ninjas could be Genin for all we know. And he only hit Ebisu a couple times, who i don't remember having any decent feats.
And are you saying that Konohamaru>Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, Asuma and Guy? Because they are all Jonin.

That doesn't mean Kono will be caught by it. One no proof Ino hair can't be blown away. Two she has not shown she has the skills to control her chakra like that. Sakaru learned to walk up a tree some training. That was plot if he spammed his attacks she would have died.

If he is running in a straight line while using Rasengan, he won't have anyway to avoid it.
If it could be noticed and blown away, why didn't Sakura notice or blow it away? And Sakura was smart at the time, she showed it against those Sound ninja in the FoD, and when she could easily figure out tree climbing before Naruto or Sasuke could, and Sasuke was also proven smart. She also knew most of the answers to the written part of the Chuunin Exams.

Hitting him with the Rasengan and dodging Naraku is taijutsu.

Rasengan is Ninjutsu and dodging is Reaction Speed. He also got kicked in the next hit too, so he doesn't even have that great reaction.

Once again, Kono is a young Genin with ZERO Running Speed feats. He isn't running that distance in that time. You have failed to provide me with any Running Speed feats this whole debate.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 05:50 PM
I play Volleyball and I run laps. It's not common knowledge that people don't just run 164 feet within under 10 seconds. I would like some sort of concrete proof that Kono can run at that speed

It is common knowledge of people who play sports like football and track. If they can do it a fictional superhuman like Konohamaru can do it. The weakes genin can dodge a knife.

The only reason that he didn't react was because he wasn't trying any longer, bcause he thought he had Kono trapped.
No he isn't, the rank of those 2 ninjas could be Genin for all we know. And he only hit Ebisu a couple times, who i don't remember having any decent feats.
And are you saying that Konohamaru>Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, Asuma and Guy? Because they are all Jonin.

No I am saying Konohamaru>>>Ino he dodged and retreated away from Naraku at a decent pace. Then he charged Naraku with a rasegan full speed. There was still some distance Naraku could have reacted if he could. So the feat stands.

If he is running in a straight line while using Rasengan, he won't have anyway to avoid it.
If it could be noticed and blown away, why didn't Sakura notice or blow it away? And Sakura was smart at the time, she showed it against those Sound ninja in the FoD, and when she could easily figure out tree climbing before Naruto or Sasuke could, and Sasuke was also proven smart. She also knew most of the answers to the written part of the Chuunin Exams.

Why would he be running in straight line? He has clones he will be comming froom different directions. If it comes to close combat Ino can't beat him. Unless you can prove she is better in close combat. He fought a jonin she fought a genin no comparison.

Rasengan is Ninjutsu and dodging is Reaction Speed. He also got kicked in the next hit too, so he doesn't even have that great reaction

Hitting and moving into close range combat is taijutsu skills. Then he did't get kicked he got blew back by the explosion of the rasengan. Don't know what point you are trying to make by Kno fluke fight showed he was better than Ino.

Because I'm not wrong. Naraka looked behind him. Naraka was surprised that Konohomaru was behind him with a Rasengan. Due to him being surprised, instead of acting on instinct, he gets impaled by Konohomaru's Rasengan. It's simple logic, it ain't Rocket Science.

Doesn't matter he saw Kono he couldn't react. Thats called getting blitzed. Ebisu did the same thing got kicked in his throat.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 05:50 PM
Doesn't matter he saw Kono he couldn't react. Thats called getting blitzed. Ebisu did the same thing got kicked in his throat.
Speedblitz is when someone attacks an opponent at such speed, the opponent won't have enough time to react. When Naraka looked behind his shoulder, he was surprised that Konohomaru was behind him, with a Rasengan at hand. Instead of acting instinctively on dodging Konohomaru's attack, Naraka just stood there, surprised at Konohomaru. Thus disproving your claim wrong of Konohomaru blitzing Naraka.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 05:56 PM
Speedblitz is when someone attacks an opponent at such speed, the opponent won't have enough time to react. When Naraka looked behind his shoulder, he was surprised that Konohomaru was behind him, with a Rasengan at hand. Instead of acting instinctively on dodging Konohomaru's attack, Naraka just stood there, surprised at Konohomaru. Thus disproving your claim wrong of Konohomaru blitzing Naraka.

Naraku saw Kno comming couldn't stop him got hit thats a blitz. Prove that he was surprised I want a full face and him saying he was surprised. That was an eyebal on that page so that only proves he saw him.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Naraku saw Kno comming couldn't stop him got hit thats a blitz.
Incorrect. Naraka was surprised that Konohomaru was behind him, with a Rasengan at hand. Naraka was too surprised, as to use his instinctive skills to react to Konohomaru's speed. Thus, disproving your claim wrong.
Prove that he was surprised I want a full face and him saying he was surprised.
Chapter 428 Page 5. See the exclamation points?
Chapter 428 Page 6. See how he went wide eyed?
This proves that Naraka was surprised.
That was an eyebal on that page so that only proves he saw him.
Fail. Look above you.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 06:19 PM
So are you saying Ino is faster than Kono or what? This is pointless and you are going around in circles.

mikeiskewl922
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
It is common knowledge of people who play sports like football and track. If they can do it a fictional superhuman like Konohamaru can do it. The weakes genin can dodge a knife

FOR THE LAST TIME: DODGEING AND RUNNING ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. You can run away to dodge something, but running a long distance is different then dodging a kunai.
Another thing; Kono will have 2-3 clones, and that will mean that he divided his chakra to them. He can't run as fast while not having all his chakra loaded to his feet.

No I am saying Konohamaru>>>Ino he dodged and retreated away from Naraku at a decent pace. Then he charged Naraku with a rasegan full speed. There was still some distance Naraku could have reacted if he could. So the feat stands.

When did we see the distance between them? Kono could have been right behind him.

Why would he be running in straight line? He has clones he will be comming froom different directions. If it comes to close combat Ino can't beat him. Unless you can prove she is better in close combat. He fought a jonin she fought a genin no comparison.

If he had Rasengan, he would have to move in a straight line. She would only have to deal with 1 or 2 clones, which she could easily deal with. She is better in close-combat. The 10 minute Taijustu fight with Sakura which you seem to keep ignoring. He isn't a Jonin? He only took down 2 ninja, that could have been Genin for all we know, then kicked Ebisu, who doesn't have really any decent feats. Not much off a strong opponent.

Hitting and moving into close range combat is taijutsu skills. Then he did't get kicked he got blew back by the explosion of the rasengan. Don't know what point you are trying to make by Kno fluke fight showed he was better than Ino.

Hitting is Taijutsu. Moving is speed. Kono was never shown to be able to move at high speeds. Ever. Except when he took a step or two to avoid Naraka.

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:34 PM
So are you saying Ino is faster than Kono or what?
I've never recalled posting such claims.
This is pointless and you are going around in circles.
Because you know I'm right.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 06:38 PM
@MiKE to end this

Is Ino faster than Kono if so prove it?

Can Ino stop multiple attacks comming from different directions. Does she have that type of skill? If so prove it.

Can Ino hair trap stopp a paperbomb or stop multiple opponents? If so prove it.

Can Ino tank Kono Rasengan? If so prove it.

No make beleive scenarios no going in circles answer these questions with proof from the manga.

Because you know I'm right.

Not really you won't admit you are wrong and I am not going to keep going in circles. We do that too much as it is. So are you saying Ino is faster than Kono?

tyrell4life194
01-09-2011, 06:42 PM
You won't admit that I'm right. Not only have you provided baseless claims, you also failed to understand the concept of speedblitz. The next time you want to feel high and mighty about your loss, then look up speedblitz in the dictionary.

Read my post before you comment.

Devil's Lawyer
01-09-2011, 07:00 PM
You won't admit that I'm right. Not only have you provided baseless claims, you also failed to understand the concept of speedblitz. The next time you want to feel high and mighty about your loss, then look up speedblitz in the dictionary.

Read my post before you comment.

Yeah yeah go find someone else to play with. Kono blitzed Naraku he couldnt react. That is a speedblitz. Did Naraku react no. So that means he got blitzed whether he was surprised or not. Unless you can prove he reacted and stop the attack he got blitzed.

tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 05:33 AM
Yeah yeah go find someone else to play with. Kono blitzed Naraku he couldnt react. That is a speedblitz. Did Naraku react no. So that means he got blitzed whether he was surprised or not.
Incorrect. Naraka didn't react, because he was too surprised to do so in the first place. Instead of using his instinctive skills of reflexes, Naraka just stood there and took the hit. Therefore, it doesn't count as a blitz.
Unless you can prove he reacted and stop the attack he got blitzed.
Unless you can prove to me that Konohomaru is Hypersonic speed via
"speedblitz" then Konohomaru didn't speedblitz Naraka.

RINNEMAN1
01-10-2011, 05:50 AM
Shadow Clone feint ===> Rasengan to the face.

This basically

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 01:08 PM
Unless you can prove to me that Konohomaru is Hypersonic speed via
"speedblitz" then Konohomaru didn't speedblitz Naraka.

The manga shows him getting rushed and hit with a rasengan. Prove that it didn't happen.

tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 01:18 PM
The manga shows him getting rushed and hit with a rasengan.

The Manga also shows Naraka being surprised, when he saw Konohomaru behind him, with a Rasengan at hand. In other words, Naraka was too surprised to use his instinctive skills of reacting to Konohomaru's speed. Therefore, it doesn't count as a blitz. Thus, disproving your claim.
Prove that it didn't happen.
I never claimed it didn't. I don't have to prove a claim I never made in the first place.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 01:21 PM
The Manga also shows Naraka being surprised, when he saw Konohomaru behind him, with a Rasengan at hand. In other words, Naraka was too surprised to use his instinctive skills of reacting to Konohomaru's speed. Therefore, it doesn't count as a blitz. Thus, disproving your claim.

I never claimed it didn't. I don't have to prove a claim I never made in the first place.

Him being surprised does not matter. He has first class reaction. So again you are not disproving anything. Konohamaru was fast enough to hit Naraku before he could react it is that simple. So you either prove that scene didn't happen or admit defeat.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-10-2011, 01:23 PM
The manga shows him getting rushed and hit with a rasengan. Prove that it didn't happen.

Prove Kono wasn't more than 10 feet away from him, while Narak's back was blinded by his summon.

Jue's Byakugan
01-10-2011, 01:27 PM
People supporting Ino prove a point your just wanking Konohamaru.
i think that Ino has a better ninjutsu then konahamaru.

tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 01:29 PM
Him being surprised does not matter.

Acutally it does my friend. It proves that Naraka has the reaction speed to dodge Konohomaru's attack, but was too surprised to do so. For instance, if I see a bigass boulder falling out of the sky aiming at me, I know I could dodge it, but I'm too surprised at the size and the weight of the boulder to dodge it in the first place. See how that works?

He has first class reaction.

We know this already.

So again you are not disproving anything.

Yes I am. I'm disproving your claim, that Konohomaru speedblitz Naraka, whom has Supersonic+ reaction speed. With your logic, Konohomaru is Hypersonic.

Konohamaru was fast enough to hit Naraku before he could react it is that simple.

From 10 feet away? Really?

Besides, I will say this one more time, so you better listen. Naraka was too surprised to even think about reacting to Konohomaru's speed.

So you either prove that scene didn't happen or admit defeat.

I never made this claim. Therefore, I don't have to prove a claim I never made in the first place.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 01:35 PM
Doesn't matter Naraku has the reactions to use them he didn't he got hit with a rasengan. So unless the scene didn't happen you have no case. So you calling the manga a lie.
Prove Kono wasn't more than 10 feet away from him, while Narak's back was blinded by his summon.

Naraku saw him so you know rejected. 428 pg 6. Doesn't matter how far he was the scene happened.

tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 01:40 PM
Doesn't matter Naraku has the reactions to use them he didn't he got hit with a rasengan.

The reason why he didn't use his reaction speed, because he was too surprised to even think about using his reaction speed in the first place.

For instance, if I see Bear charging at me, I know I can dodge. However, due to me being surprised at the size of the Bear, and scared at the Bear charging at me, I forget my ability to react and move out the way of a charging Bear. Get it now?

So unless the scene didn't happen you have no case.

I never made such a claim bro. Read my posts before you comment.

So you calling the manga a lie.

No, I'm calling your claim a lie. If we go by your logic, then Konohomaru is Hypersonic via Speedblitz. That isn't logic. That's blatant fanboyism to the max.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 01:55 PM
The reason why he didn't use his reaction speed, because he was too surprised to even think about using his reaction speed in the first place.

For instance, if I see Bear charging at me, I know I can dodge. However, due to me being surprised at the size of the Bear, and scared at the Bear charging at me, I forget my ability to react and move out the way of a charging Bear. Get it now?

I never made such a claim bro. Read my posts before you comment.

No, I'm calling your claim a lie. If we go by your logic, then Konohomaru is Hypersonic via Speedblitz. That isn't logic. That's blatant fanboyism to the max.

You calling my claim a lie is calling the manga a lie. Not only didn't you prove the scenario didn't happen. You are calling the manga a lie wow. Someone needs to remember...
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tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 01:59 PM
You calling my claim a lie is calling the manga a lie.

No I didn't. I didn't call the Manga a lie, because it actually happened. I'm calling your claim a lie, because not only have you yet to prove to me that Naraka didn't have enough time to react to Konohomaru (whom was 10 feet away), you also have yet to prove to me that Konohomaru is Hypersonic.

Not only didn't you prove the scenario didn't happen.

I never made such a claim. I don't have to provide proof for a claim I never even made in the first place.

You are calling the manga a lie wow.

No, I'm not. You're just putting words in my mouth, to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

Someone needs to remember...

Irrelevant.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-10-2011, 02:01 PM
Doesn't matter Naraku has the reactions to use them he didn't he got hit with a rasengan. So unless the scene didn't happen you have no case. So you calling the manga a lie.


Naraku saw him so you know rejected. 428 pg 6. Doesn't matter how far he was the scene happened.
It does, cause if someone shoots a hypersonic arrow at you from far away, while you're looking at it being fired, and you have Hypersonic reaction speeds, you can dodge it, but when someone punches you, at Faster than the eye can see speeds, from two feet away while you're back is turned, you are less likely to even see it coming and get hit by it.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 02:06 PM
It does, cause if someone shoots a hypersonic arrow at you from far away, while you're looking at it being fired, and you have Hypersonic reaction speeds, you can dodge it, but when someone punches you, at Faster than the eye can see speeds, from two feet away while you're back is turned, you are less likely to even see it coming and get hit by it.

It doesn't matter for two reasons. Nararaku saw it from the corner of his eye. Also Naraku proved he didn't need to see his opponent to react when he kicked Ebisu in the throat. He wasn't even looking.

No I didn't. I didn't call the Manga a lie, because it actually happened. I'm calling your claim a lie, because not only have you yet to prove to me that Naraka didn't have enough time to react to Konohomaru (whom was 10 feet away), you also have yet to prove to me that Konohomaru is Hypersonic.

I never made such a claim. I don't have to provide proof for a claim I never even made in the first place.

No, I'm not. You're just putting words in my mouth, to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.

Irrelevant.

All I here is crying because you have yet to prove the scene didn't happen.

tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 02:29 PM
I never made such claim Devil's Lawyer. I don't have to provide proof for a claim I didn't made in the first place. Learn to read my comments sir.

mikeiskewl922
01-10-2011, 02:53 PM
Is Ino faster than Kono if so prove it?

I never said this. I only said that Kono will NOT speedblitz her.

Can Ino stop multiple attacks comming from different directions. Does she have that type of skill? If so prove it.

Against 1 clone, while the real Kono and his other clone are making a Rasengan? Yes. By superior Taijutsu. Proven. By throwing projectiles. Proven. Kono's clone won't be moving with Kono's full chakra not invested in him, and while Kono is making a Rasengan. He won;t be at all better that he would be without clones and a Rasengan.

Can Ino hair trap stopp a paperbomb or stop multiple opponents? If so prove it.

Yes, with Ino's chakra. You think she doesn't have chakra control? She did it once at Genin level and she's a Medical Ninja.

Can Ino tank Kono Rasengan? If so prove it.

Never said she could or had to.

No make beleive scenarios no going in circles answer these questions with proof from the manga.

Too bad you haven't proven anything to me.

Now, prove that Kono can run fast at all.

Prove that he has any Observation skills, and WILL be able to see the Hair Trap and be able to avoid it.

Prove he can dodge Ino's numerous kunai's and shuriken while running in a straight line.


That should end it.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-10-2011, 02:56 PM
It doesn't matter for two reasons. Nararaku saw it from the corner of his eye. Also Naraku proved he didn't need to see his opponent to react when he kicked Ebisu in the throat. He wasn't even looking.



All I here is crying because you have yet to prove the scene didn't happen.
Right when Konohamaru was about to hit him, while he was still in the middle of his jutsu.

After Ebisu yelled and screamed.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 03:16 PM
Against 1 clone, while the real Kono and his other clone are making a Rasengan? Yes. By superior Taijutsu. Proven. By throwing projectiles. Proven. Kono's clone won't be moving with Kono's full chakra not invested in him, and while Kono is making a Rasengan. He won;t be at all better that he would be without clones and a Rasengan.

Wrong it was one clone against Naraku that did the majority of the fight. Which showed off Kono reactions. Then you didn't prove she was a superior fighter or that she was capable of dodging attacks from multiple directions. Where is the proof from the manga of her being capable of this type of tactics and skill you are talking about.

Yes, with Ino's chakra. You think she doesn't have chakra control? She did it once at Genin level and she's a Medical Ninja.

You saying yes does not make it true. Where is the proof of ino hair tanking a paperbomb and stopping multiple opponents.

Too bad you haven't proven anything to me.

My proof is ch 428 all the proof I need to know that. Kono iS better than Ino.

Now, prove that Kono can run fast at all.

His full speed was shown when he dashed atNaraku with his rasengan. Which is in the manga by the way.


Prove that he has any Observation skills, and WILL be able to see the Hair Trap and be able to avoid it.

He used a clone trap on a jonin level opponent. Which also was in the manga. That is plenty of proof.

Prove he can dodge Ino's numerous kunai's and shuriken while running in a straight line.

Prove that Ino is that skilled at Kunai and shuriken. Prove that Kon will be retarded enough to run in a straight line at his opponent. Especially since he uses clones to attack first.


That should end it.

If only it woulld end the wanking of Ino

mikeiskewl922
01-10-2011, 03:35 PM
Wrong it was one clone against Naraku that did the majority of the fight. Which showed off Kono reactions. Then you didn't prove she was a superior fighter or that she was capable of dodging attacks from multiple directions. Where is the proof from the manga of her being capable of this type of tactics and skill you are talking about.

You saying yes does not make it true. Where is the proof of ino hair tanking a paperbomb and stopping multiple opponents.

My proof is ch 428 all the proof I need to know that. Kono iS better than Ino.

His full speed was shown when he dashed atNaraku with his rasengan. Which is in the manga by the way.

He used a clone trap on a jonin level opponent. Which also was in the manga. That is plenty of proof.

Prove that Ino is that skilled at Kunai and shuriken. Prove that Kon will be retarded enough to run in a straight line at his opponent. Especially since he uses clones to attack first.

If only it woulld end the wanking of Kono

And it would only be one clone against Ino.
FOR THE LAST TIME: All he did was duck one kick, pause, then fail at reacting and get kicked into a wall, then grabbed.
They wouldn't be from multiple directions. Only two at best.
And i did. The fact that she fought in a TEN MINUTE Taijutsu battle against Sakura, and was defending and fighting back too. What Taijutsu has Kono ever shown that compares to 10 minutes of straight out fighting?

I never said that it did. When have Paperbombs ever blew away chakra? There wouldn't be multiple opponenet. And where is the accuracy of Kono throwing a paper bomb that would land right next to the hair and blow it away?

All he did was semi-react by ducking to a kick from Naraka. I don't care what level Naraka was one, because he only took down too ninja, who's rank and skill is unknown, and just hit Ebisu, who again barely has any feats.

That;s the only speed he ever showed? Him jumping a 10 foot gap and hitting a distrcted, non-moving opponent. Too bad that's not any proof of him R-U-N-N-I-N-G. <Stop avoiding this. I want you to show me any chapter showing where Kono can R-U-N any long distance at any fast pace.

When she was able to match and dodge all of Sakura's shuriken, and Sakura even commented on her accuracy, iirc. Where's the feats from Kono's accuracy with projectiles?None. Exactly.
Too bad Rasengan REQUIRES him to run in a straight line.
And too bad I've already told you how Ino could take out his 1 or 2 clones.

Oh, and i have repeatedly gave you feats from Ino, which you ignored and you have not shown me relevant, and worth-while feats from Kono that I've asked for, so if you don't in the next post, I'm ignoring you.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 04:09 PM
And it would only be one clone against Ino.

Why would he use one clone against Ino when he used three against Naraku. Your statement makes is crazy. Then there is still the fact he can make clone I already proved he wasn't tired after attacking Naraku.

FOR THE LAST TIME: All he did was duck one kick, pause, then fail at reacting and get kicked into a wall, then grabbed.

Failed he didn't get kicked into a wall. He dodged the kick and backed out of Naraku range but got trapped against the wall.


They wouldn't be from multiple directions. Only two at best.

It would considering clones is his main jutsu. Also I proved he wasn't tired he was talking trash after beating Naraku. Where do you see him being tired and can't use anymore jutsu.

And i did. The fact that she fought in a TEN MINUTE Taijutsu battle against Sakura, and was defending and fighting back too. What Taijutsu has Kono ever shown that compares to 10 minutes of straight out fighting?

Failed considering the fight won't last 10 minutes. Clone feint rasengan to the face. Yes it would work on her. Naraku>>>>Ino

I never said that it did. When have Paperbombs ever blew away chakra? There wouldn't be multiple opponenet. And where is the accuracy of Kono throwing a paper bomb that would land right next to the hair and blow it away?

I never said Kono was throwing the paperbombs at the hair Ino. He wouldn't have graduated if he could throw a kunai if you are trying to say that don't. Then once again you didn't give any proof of the hair not being blown away by a blast Or stopping multiple opponents.

All he did was semi-react by ducking to a kick from Naraka. I don't care what level Naraka was one, because he only took down too ninja, who's rank and skill is unknown, and just hit Ebisu, who again barely has any feats.

Ebisu a jonin and Naraku outran and dodged frs. That one kick was moving at a highspeed. So another useless statement.

That;s the only speed he ever showed? Him jumping a 10 foot gap and hitting a distrcted, non-moving opponent. Too bad that's not any proof of him R-U-N-N-I-N-G. <Stop avoiding this. I want you to show me any chapter showing where Kono can R-U-N any long distance at any fast pace.

He didn't jump he ran read the page show him jumping. So your point is still not but dismissed.

When she was able to match and dodge all of Sakura's shuriken, and Sakura even commented on her accuracy, iirc. Where's the feats from Kono's accuracy with projectiles?None. Exactly.

That was basic kunai throwing. There wasn't any skill in that any genin could do that. I am talking from different angles. She throws a shuriken he throws a shuriken. He has more due to clones I wonder how that will turnout.

Too bad Rasengan REQUIRES him to run in a straight line.
And too bad I've already told you how Ino could take out his 1 or 2 clones.

He could make more. Too bad he would use a faint. You saying Ino wouldn't fall for a faint? Are you saying Ino is smarter than pain who fell for said feat.

Oh, and i have repeatedly gave you feats from Ino, which you ignored and you have not shown me relevant, and worth-while feats from Kono that I've asked for, so if you don't in the next post, I'm ignoring you

I gave you the feat a whole half a chapters worth. But alas you only named her fighting with sakura for 10 minutes. Which is no comparison toward Naraku. Prove that Ino won't fall for a shadow clone feint. Whic is what Kono would use.


Keep it comming.

Lady Tsunade
01-10-2011, 04:21 PM
Devils Lawyer, prove Konohamaru is faster than Ino

Prove he could hit her with rasengan at 50 metres

Prove he can make loads of Kage Bunshin to overwhelm her at close range

Prove he can dodge Hair Trap at 50 metres. After all, theres nothing stopping her from trapping all of his clones.

Ino has better reaction speed, somewhat better taijutsu - able to avoid damage at such a distance. If Konohamaru uses rasengan, Ino uses Mind Transfer, Konohamaru can't dodge while using rasengan - as he has to travel in a straight line while using it. Or even better, Ino could use hair trap, Konohamaru and his clone would run right into it. Ino could take out the majority of Konohamarus clones, SHOULD they get that close. Any damage she dodge sustain from kunai, kicks etc. she can either tank or heal back from. I doubt Konohamarus strength is any greater than Pre Sakuras after all, Ino took several hits from Pre Sakura iirc.

Asides Kage Bunshin and Rasengan, Kono can't do anything except chuck weapons. And Ino can do that too. Konohamaru using good intelligent feints with KB is no-go as he's really shown no intelligence, and him having the same jutsu as Pre Naruto doesn't mean he has the same fighting style. Chances he could confuse intelligent Ino with the few KB's he could make is unlikely anyway.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 04:45 PM
Devils Lawyer, prove Konohamaru is faster than Ino

His fastest speed hitting Naraku with a rasengan before he could react. That is a speed feat greater than anything Ino has shown.

Prove he could hit her with rasengan at 50 metres

He won't have to considering he would have to go in close range. You was suppose to use common sense on that one.

Prove he can make loads of Kage Bunshin to overwhelm her at close range

Never said he can make loads. I said was he can make enough to surround her. He made three and rasengan wasn't even tired.

Prove he can dodge Hair Trap at 50 meters. After all, theres nothing stopping her from trapping all of his clones.

Prove that she can hold multiple opponents for one prove. Prove she can throw and control her hair at 50 meters. Also lets talk about the fact of him not exactly dumb enough to charge straight up. He would use a clone in first as he did against Naraku

Ino has better reaction speed, somewhat better taijutsu - able to avoid damage at such a distance. If Konohamaru uses rasengan, Ino uses Mind Transfer, Konohamaru can't dodge while using rasengan - as he has to travel in a straight line while using it. Or even better, Ino could use hair trap, Konohamaru and his clone would run right into it. Ino could take out the majority of Konohamarus clones, SHOULD they get that close. Any damage she dodge sustain from kunai, kicks etc. she can either tank or heal back from. I doubt Konohamarus strength is any greater than Pre Sakuras after all, Ino took several hits from Pre Sakura iirc.

No way in hell she has better reaction speed than Kono. Dodged a high speed Kick from Naraku and got out of his range. Was trapped by a wall. Which all turned out to be a trap. The rasengan killed Naraku considering he did not get back up. Naraku was healed later on. Naraku out ran frs and stomped Ebisu a jonin.

Asides Kage Bunshin and Rasengan, Kono can't do anything except chuck weapons. And Ino can do that too. Konohamaru using good intelligent feints with KB is no-go as he's really shown no intelligence, and him having the same jutsu as Pre Naruto doesn't mean he has the same fighting style. Chances he could confuse intelligent Ino with the few KB's he could make is unlikely anyway.

Luring Naraku into a trap with his clones is an intelligent feat. Are you saying Ino is smarter than Nagato?

Ino fans comming out the bushes now.

mikeiskewl922
01-10-2011, 04:54 PM
Why would he use one clone against Ino when he used three against Naraku. Your statement makes is crazy. Then there is still the fact he can make clone I already proved he wasn't tired after attacking Naraku.

Failed he didn't get kicked into a wall. He dodged the kick and backed out of Naraku range but got trapped against the wall.

It would considering clones is his main jutsu. Also I proved he wasn't tired he was talking trash after beating Naraku. Where do you see him being tired and can't use anymore jutsu.

Failed considering the fight won't last 10 minutes. Clone feint rasengan to the face. Yes it would work on her. Naraku>>>>Ino

I never said Kono was throwing the paperbombs at the hair Ino. He wouldn't have graduated if he could throw a kunai if you are trying to say that don't. Then once again you didn't give any proof of the hair not being blown away by a blast Or stopping multiple opponents.

Ebisu a jonin and Naraku outran and dodged frs. That one kick was moving at a highspeed. So another useless statement.

He didn't jump he ran read the page show him jumping. So your point is still not but dismissed.

That was basic kunai throwing. There wasn't any skill in that any genin could do that. I am talking from different angles. She throws a shuriken he throws a shuriken. He has more due to clones I wonder how that will turnout.

He could make more. Too bad he would use a faint. You saying Ino wouldn't fall for a faint? Are you saying Ino is smarter than pain who fell for said feat.

I gave you the feat a whole half a chapters worth. But alas you only named her fighting with sakura for 10 minutes. Which is no comparison toward Naraku. Prove that Ino won't fall for a shadow clone feint. Whic is what Kono would use.

He only used 2. One for a feint then one to help him with Rasengan.

Didn't Naraka kick him into the wall, then grab his neck? Just because clones is his main jutsu doe sn't mean he can have the same amount as Naruto. He can only make 2 and MAYBE 3. After he talked trash, didn't it move to the next fight?

When did i say their fight would last 10 minutes? I said Ino and Sakura's fight was 10 minutes.
Wha? Clone feint Rasengan? What is that?

You said "proof of Ino's hair tanking a paper bomb." Her hair would get burnt, no? But her Hair Trap would be chakra-enforced so that it doesn't move.
Wha?
I said that the hair would be chakra-enforced and there wouldn't be multiple opponent for her to have to deal with.

Cool stroy bro, tell it at a party. Ebisu is a Jonin, does he have any decent feats? No.
Yes he did.
High speed, yay. If Kono had such awesome Reaction, why was he trapped against a wall?

He ran a whole 10 feet? Wow. Still doesn't prove that he is at all fast enough to speedblitz and hit Ino.

I wonder why Ino's feet will be magically glued to her spot so she gets hit? She could throw more kunai and shuriken at the same time, then move? Or, tank a couple scatches and heal.
That's another thing: Any Taijutsu hit's that Kono can use, Ino can easily heal is she suffers too much damage.

Too bad that Kono was never shown to have a clone make a Rasengan. Too bad Kono was never shown to make more then 2 clones.

Ino is WAY smarter than Kono is. Wow, he made a clone feint. Ino realized a big jutsu before it happened. Then she was able to dodge and re-act to that big blast. More Kono has eve shown.

I still haven't gotten any feats other than the same Naraka feat, which isn't as high and mighty as you think.

Lady Tsunade
01-10-2011, 05:11 PM
Ino fans comming out the bushes now.

And since when did Naraka become a speed god? Narakas greatest speed feat was dodging a Rasenshuriken. Though even when he did dodge it, he was not moving at any great speed, he was a tremendous distance and so had time to react. It should also be noted he was the furthest Path to the right, making it all the more easy. And even then, he barely dodged. Furthermore, Human Path, who performed great speed when fighting SM Jiraiya, was unable to dodge. Assuming Naraka is fast because of that one thing would be just a tad inconsistent. Ino reacted to smoke bombs, which blew up fairly quickly, and noticed Human Paths presence with the ANBU before anyone else. She also dodged the Elemental Blast, which granted, wasn't that fast - but it had a gargantuan radius.

If he tries confronting her at close range she uses Hair Trap, 50 metres. That'll take him a while to cover. Plenty of time to prep. He'll just run right into her trap. GG

True that. I'm not saying she can avoid all damage of course, but any damage he does try won't be very effective on someone who can somewhat heal back the damage done to Narutos arm by RS. And tank Pre Sakuras punches.

Theres hair everywhere, she channels chakra through several strands. She channeled chakra through two strands with one foot when fighting Sakura if I remember correctly. Whats stopping from using the other foot? She doesn't need to. She throws it all around her, the only way Kono can inflict damage is by close range. If he tries close range he's trapped, if he tries long range he can't inflict damage. Its a win/win situation.

Narakas kick was not fast. Naraka is not fast. Dodging that FRS wasn't really impressive. As someone with far better speed feats was unable to dodge. [Human] Ino has shown better reaction feats, and can heal from whatever he throws. His rasengan can't hit anyway. Thanks to Hair Trap.

If I recall, Naraka stood and looked at a wall while Konohamaru made lots of noise behind him, formed a KB, made a rasengan - ran at him and threw his attack. I'd regard Ino as smarter than Naraka Path, at least. However that works. And that trap wasn't impressive, anyone could've done that. Even using regular bunshins one could've done that. It was Narakas poor intelligence that made him lose out.

I'm not even a big Ino fan, I just fail to see how she loses. She can recieve a few scratches and bruises at best. From close range combat , should Kono somehow get past Hair Trap, which is unlikely.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 05:20 PM
He only used 2. One for a feint then one to help him with Rasengan.

True forgot about that.

Didn't Naraka kick him into the wall, then grab his neck? Just because clones is his main jutsu doe sn't mean he can have the same amount as Naruto. He can only make 2 and MAYBE 3. After he talked trash, didn't it move to the next fight?

He grabbed his neck. But that was only because he couldn't go anywhere. I didn't say he can make as many as Naruto. But it is a given if he can make more than two or three if he can form a rasengan.

When did i say their fight would last 10 minutes? I said Ino and Sakura's fight was 10 minutes.
Wha? Clone feint Rasengan? What is that?

The feint he used on Naraku with his clone. Use a clone to attack circle Ino hit her with a rasengan.

You said "proof of Ino's hair tanking a paper bomb." Her hair would get burnt, no? But her Hair Trap would be chakra-enforced so that it doesn't move.

Several flaws in that jutsu. One she has to touch the floor pour her chakra into her hair. While she is bending down she gets hit with a explosive. Now prove the hair won't get blown away by the bomb.

Wha?
I said that the hair would be chakra-enforced and there wouldn't be multiple opponent for her to have to deal with.

There will be multiple opponents he uses clones and no the hair is regular hair unless she first touches it and pour her chakra into it.

Cool stroy bro, tell it at a party. Ebisu is a Jonin, does he have any decent feats? No.

He was stronger than chunin exam Naruto. Who was would take a dump on Ino.

Yes he did.
High speed, yay. If Kono had such awesome Reaction, why was he trapped against a wall?

That was his plan to put Naraku off guard and wait for an opening common sense use it.

He ran a whole 10 feet? Wow. Still doesn't prove that he is at all fast enough to speedblitz and hit Ino.

It proves he is faster than Ino which is all that matters. Name Ino showing a greater speed feat.

I wonder why Ino's feet will be magically glued to her spot so she gets hit? She could throw more kunai and shuriken at the same time, then move? Or, tank a couple scatches and heal.


That's another thing: Any Taijutsu hit's that Kono can use, Ino can easily heal is she suffers too much damage.

Too bad that Kono was never shown to have a clone make a Rasengan. Too bad Kono was never shown to make more then 2 clones.

Too bad it didn't show he couldn't you are making a no fallacy arguement. Seeing as no one knows the limit of Kono chakra.

Ino is WAY smarter than Kono is. Wow, he made a clone feint. Ino realized a big jutsu before it happened. Then she was able to dodge and re-act to that big blast. More Kono has eve shown.

He led a high level into a trap. No that blast is no way as fast as Naraku. Naraku dodged an frs which was in there face in less than a sec. No comparison to a bomb which was powerful but wasn't exactly fast.

I still haven't gotten any feats other than the same Naraka feat, which isn't as high and mighty as you think.

So the only way you can say that Ino wins this is saying Ino is stronger than Naraku. Considering that who Kono fought and won against. Are you saying Ino is stronger than Naraku.



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tyrell4life194
01-10-2011, 05:22 PM
And since when did Naraka become a speed god? Narakas greatest speed feat was dodging a Rasenshuriken. Though even when he did dodge it, he was not moving at any great speed, he was a tremendous distance and so had time to react. It should also be noted he was the furthest Path to the right, making it all the more easy. And even then, he barely dodged. Furthermore, Human Path, who performed great speed when fighting SM Jiraiya, was unable to dodge. Assuming Naraka is fast because of that one thing would be just a tad inconsistent. Ino reacted to smoke bombs, which blew up fairly quickly, and noticed Human Paths presence with the ANBU before anyone else. She also dodged the Elemental Blast, which granted, wasn't that fast - but it had a gargantuan radius.

If he tries confronting her at close range she uses Hair Trap, 50 metres. That'll take him a while to cover. Plenty of time to prep. He'll just run right into her trap. GG

True that. I'm not saying she can avoid all damage of course, but any damage he does try won't be very effective on someone who can somewhat heal back the damage done to Narutos arm by RS. And tank Pre Sakuras punches.

Theres hair everywhere, she channels chakra through several strands. She channeled chakra through two strands with one foot when fighting Sakura if I remember correctly. Whats stopping from using the other foot? She doesn't need to. She throws it all around her, the only way Kono can inflict damage is by close range. If he tries close range he's trapped, if he tries long range he can't inflict damage. Its a win/win situation.

Narakas kick was not fast. Naraka is not fast. Dodging that FRS wasn't really impressive. As someone with far better speed feats was unable to dodge. [Human] Ino has shown better reaction feats, and can heal from whatever he throws. His rasengan can't hit anyway. Thanks to Hair Trap.

If I recall, Naraka stood and looked at a wall while Konohamaru made lots of noise behind him, formed a KB, made a rasengan - ran at him and threw his attack. I'd regard Ino as smarter than Naraka Path, at least. However that works. And that trap wasn't impressive, anyone could've done that. Even using regular bunshins one could've done that. It was Narakas poor intelligence that made him lose out.

I'm not even a big Ino fan, I just fail to see how she loses. She can recieve a few scratches and bruises at best. From close range combat , should Kono somehow get past Hair Trap, which is unlikely.
While Ino managed to heal Naruto's Arm, lets not forget the fact that the Kyuubi's Chakra also played a role in the healing. You see, after Naruto used the Rasenshuriken against Kakuzu, the Rasenshuriken did minimal cellular damage onto Naruto's left arm. It's doubtful that the wind blades were able to penetrate through the bones. And even then, it's unlikely that they will kill the cells contained within the bones.

Bone Marrow only produces blood cells, if old blood cells died (or destroyed in this case), or if a wound needs to be healed. Likewise, the Bone Marrow started producing new cells, while the Kyuubi's chakra accelerated Naruto's healing rate at the same time.

An example? After the Naruto vs Kiba fight, Naruto was given ointment, to apply on his cut on his hand. The cut healed in a matter of seconds. If ointment is applied onto a cut, a regular cut takes approximately a few days for it to heal. Naruto's cut healed in a matter of seconds. This was likely due to Kyuubi's chakra. Still not convinced?

When Naruto threw a Rasenshuriken at Kyuubi, Kyuubi was left weakened. However, he was still able to use his Beast Tailed Ball, a sign that his cells weren't destroyed, and neither was his Chakra Pathway System.

Overall? Kyuubi did the majority of the healing, while Ino only healed cuts, bruises, and maybe a few million cells I guess.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 05:39 PM
And since when did Naraka become a speed god? Narakas greatest speed feat was dodging a Rasenshuriken. Though even when he did dodge it, he was not moving at any great speed, he was a tremendous distance and so had time to react. It should also be noted he was the furthest Path to the right, making it all the more easy. And even then, he barely dodged. Furthermore, Human Path, who performed great speed when fighting SM Jiraiya, was unable to dodge. Assuming Naraka is fast because of that one thing would be just a tad inconsistent. Ino reacted to smoke bombs, which blew up fairly quickly, and noticed Human Paths presence with the ANBU before anyone else. She also dodged the Elemental Blast, which granted, wasn't that fast - but it had a gargantuan radius.

He dropped Ebisu with an high speed kick without looking. Also the rasengan was in there face and he was running away from that spot. Not only did he dodge it he escaped before the expansion of frs. He may not be a speed god but he is easily faster than Ino.

If he tries confronting her at close range she uses Hair Trap, 50 metres. That'll take him a while to cover. Plenty of time to prep. He'll just run right into her trap. GG

Once again people look up 50 meter sprint and tell me what you find. Next is the fact Ino has to touch her to put her chakra in it. Then she can't cover 50 meters with it.

True that. I'm not saying she can avoid all damage of course, but any damage he does try won't be very effective on someone who can somewhat heal back the damage done to Narutos arm by RS. And tank Pre Sakuras punches.

That rasengan put Naraku through a wall. She could heal but it wouldn't be in time before she gets hit again. Not necessarily a rasengan.

Theres hair everywhere, she channels chakra through several strands. She channeled chakra through two strands with one foot when fighting Sakura if I remember correctly. Whats stopping from using the other foot? She doesn't need to. She throws it all around her, the only way Kono can inflict damage is by close range. If he tries close range he's trapped, if he tries long range he can't inflict damage. Its a win/win situation.

50 meters is easy to run but still a big area to cover. Look it up. Then there is no gurantee he would step on the hair.

Narakas kick was not fast. Naraka is not fast. Dodging that FRS wasn't really impressive. As someone with far better speed feats was unable to dodge. [Human] Ino has shown better reaction feats, and can heal from whatever he throws. His rasengan can't hit anyway. Thanks to Hair Trap.

It was fast dodging an frs which was at his side before it made contact an expanded is a major speed feat. Then human didn't blitz Ino or any thing he just tossed a bomb at them. Hair trap is extremely easy to get around. Especially since he would send his clone in first.

If I recall, Naraka stood and looked at a wall while Konohamaru made lots of noise behind him, formed a KB, made a rasengan - ran at him and threw his attack. I'd regard Ino as smarter than Naraka Path, at least. However that works. And that trap wasn't impressive, anyone could've done that. Even using regular bunshins one could've done that. It was Narakas poor intelligence that made him lose out.

He didn't stare at the wall ony part of Naraku that was shown when he was hit was an eye in a panel.

I'm not even a big Ino fan, I just fail to see how she loses. She can recieve a few scratches and bruises at best. From close range combat , should Kono somehow get past Hair Trap, which is unlikely.

Same goes for me Ino has no real combat feats. That chunin exam fight was a joke.

Responded.

mikeiskewl922
01-10-2011, 07:19 PM
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Without Rasengan he could most likely make 4-5 clones, yeah. But that means no Rasengan. And being bloodlusted, he would use a Rasengan.

He only used one feint on Naraka. And one helped him with his small Rasengan.
Clone circle? With only one ore two clones? I don't think so.

Wait wait, where does Kono get a bomb from? Was he ever shwon to use those?
Otherwise, than that's invalid.

Multiple? One, maybe two. That's not hard to deal with. With supeiror strentgh and speed, she covers the ground wth her hair to distract him in a way, she fakes a Mind Transfer, falls, pours chakra secretly, he's trapped, and that's only ONE option.

Okay, and so Ebisu is weaker than CE Naruto. That's not TOO great of a feat. What could he have odone to Naraka? Not much. So Naraka took out Ebisu, two unknown ninja. Those aren't too many awesome people... :/

Dodging the elemental blast from Kakuzu, which wasn't amazingly fast but it wasn't slow. It went from in front of them in one panel to all the way past them in the next panel, and it had a immense range, and she got out of the way. Better than going 10 feet with momentum from a jutsu on you side, that proved he can move 10feet quickly with a clone out. Doesn't mean he can go the same speed for 50 meters while creating s Rasengan and having a clone or 2 out.

No one knows the full extent, correct. But all we have seen and know is that he can only make 2 clones and a small Rasengan. Maybe 3 clones.

He isn't all amazing. He took out Ebisu and 2 unknown ninja. Not so speacial. And he dodged an FRS from a long distance away and he was farthest from it too. Against Kono, he was only trying to get info, not caring about whether he was powerful so he trapped him, thinking it was the real ione to get info. Then from the shock, he didn't notice Kono's Rasengan from 10 feet away, and still in shock, Kono took 1 or 2 steps forward, hit im into a wall and started boasting.
No camparison? Would you say that the FRS reached them in a panel? Well, that's funny because the explosion was alreasy past them in a panel too. Not saying its faster then FRS, but it was fast enough.

No, Ino isn't stonger then Naraka. But Kono isn't Hypersonic. He only beat him because Naraka wasn't trying to beat Kono, he was trying to get information quickly then leaving. Kono was actually fully trying.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 07:56 PM
Without Rasengan he could most likely make 4-5 clones, yeah. But that means no Rasengan. And being bloodlusted, he would use a Rasengan.

No proof of that. Nobody knows the limit of Kono chakra.

He only used one feint on Naraka. And one helped him with his small Rasengan.
Clone circle? With only one ore two clones? I don't think so.

That small rasengan put Naraku through a wall. Note the rubble from said wall around him. Ino cannot tank that. Also the bg default location is massive hyperbolic time chamber. She doesn't have enough hair or keep track of Kono and his clones. Two clones insn't his limit he had plenty left. Until you prove he was tapped out that is the verdict.

Wait wait, where does Kono get a bomb from? Was he ever shwon to use those?
Otherwise, than that's invalid.

Paperbombs that is standard equipment of all ninja in naruto.

Multiple? One, maybe two. That's not hard to deal with. With supeiror strentgh and speed, she covers the ground wth her hair to distract him in a way, she fakes a Mind Transfer, falls, pours chakra secretly, he's trapped, and that's only ONE option.

She doesn't have superior strength and speed. Kono put Naraku through a wall and reacted to him. Name anywhere in the manga showing she had superior speed and strength. Kono uses clones. Meaning he isn't attacking first. Meaning when she traps a clone he hits her with Kunai or a paper bomb.

Okay, and so Ebisu is weaker than CE Naruto. That's not TOO great of a feat. What could he have odone to Naraka? Not much. So Naraka took out Ebisu, two unknown ninja. Those aren't too many awesome people... :/

Ebisu is stronger than Ino. As is chunin exam Naruto. Its more than anything Ino has done.

Dodging the elemental blast from Kakuzu, which wasn't amazingly fast but it wasn't slow. It went from in front of them in one panel to all the way past them in the next panel, and it had a immense range, and she got out of the way. Better than going 10 feet with momentum from a jutsu on you side, that proved he can move 10feet quickly with a clone out. Doesn't mean he can go the same speed for 50 meters while creating s Rasengan and having a clone or 2 out.

Page of this happening. Also doesn't compare to Naraku speed.

No one knows the full extent, correct. But all we have seen and know is that he can only make 2 clones and a small Rasengan. Maybe 3 clones.

Sigh he was not tired showed no signs of exhaustion. He could have made more than that if he needed too.

He isn't all amazing. He took out Ebisu and 2 unknown ninja. Not so speacial. And he dodged an FRS from a long distance away and he was farthest from it too. Against Kono, he was only trying to get info, not caring about whether he was powerful so he trapped him, thinking it was the real ione to get info. Then from the shock, he didn't notice Kono's Rasengan from 10 feet away, and still in shock, Kono took 1 or 2 steps forward, hit im into a wall and started boasting.

Ino has not done any of the things you just listed. He is till stronger than her that is all that matters. Again he did a full speed blitz at kono. That kick was as fast as the one that hit Ebisu. He saw Kono and couldn't react. Then there is the fact the clones were nowhere in site. Before the wall scene. So don't even know where you got the 10 ft thing from.

No camparison? Would you say that the FRS reached them in a panel? Well, that's funny because the explosion was alreasy past them in a panel too. Not saying its faster then FRS, but it was fast enough.

No there is no comparison. To an elemental attack of Kakuza and frs. FRs was in there face before most of them could even move. Kakuza blasts choji was dodging them.

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No, Ino isn't stonger then Naraka. But Kono isn't Hypersonic. He only beat him because Naraka wasn't trying to beat Kono, he was trying to get information quickly then leaving. Kono was actually fully trying.

Prove that Naraku was holding back. There is none that kick was the at the same speed he hit ebisu with. I never said he was Hypersoni. I said he was fast enough to hit Naraku before he can react which is a massive speed feat.


I can go all day.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-10-2011, 08:00 PM
No proof of that. Nobody knows the limit of Kono chakra.

He made three clones. That's it. So that's all he can make by feats.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 08:03 PM
No proof of that. Nobody knows the limit of Kono chakra.

He made three clones. That's it. So that's all he can make by feats.

He made two and a rasengan. But his energy was nowhere near tapped. Common sense dictates he can produce more if he had too.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-10-2011, 08:15 PM
He made two and a rasengan. But his energy was nowhere near tapped. Common sense dictates he can produce more if he had too.

Anymore than five is stretching it, as it takes strain on even some Jonin.

Devil's Lawyer
01-10-2011, 08:28 PM
Anymore than five is stretching it, as it takes strain on even some Jonin.

That is what I was thinking he can max out five if he pushes it. One clone is pretty durable. Considering it took a slamm against a wall and survived the majority of the soul sucking process.

Wooster
01-11-2011, 05:45 AM
I am not going to get into this. But if Kono can only make three shadow clones, Ino can only make two regular clones. We have no knowledge that she can make more. We can assume two as this was requited to graduate her year.

Secondly, while Ino did "try" to heal Naruto not only does he have Kyuubi, his damn arm was still in a cast afterwords. Thus, the best we can assume is that Ino has only first aid skills, i.e. stopping further damage. WE have no evidence she can heal injuries to any great extent. Even ore we don;t know anything
about her healing herself.

Thirdly, when has ever thrown more than one shuriken? We have never seen this so we can not assume she can throw a massive barrage. She is a sensory type of some sort and medical type, these might be all she can do beside limited taijutsu.

This is all true if we are only going by feats.

In terms of Kono's clones, I think there is a difference between the number he can make and the number he can have active at a time. However to guess is pretty much impossible.

tyrell4life194
01-11-2011, 07:29 AM
Finally! Wooster is like the only person who has some sense, in the case of Ino healing Naruto's arm.

mikeiskewl922
01-11-2011, 12:41 PM
No proof of that. Nobody knows the limit of Kono chakra.

If he could make more, why didn't he? Against a high-ranked opponent, wouldn't he go all out? There is no proof that he could make more than 2, while there is proof that he could only make 2.

That small rasengan put Naraku through a wall. Note the rubble from said wall around him. Ino cannot tank that. Also the bg default location is massive hyperbolic time chamber. She doesn't have enough hair or keep track of Kono and his clones. Two clones insn't his limit he had plenty left. Until you prove he was tapped out that is the verdict.

Not through, slammed into. I never said she could tank that.
They are at the Preliminary Area for the Chuunin Exams?
I never said she needd to keed track of them, but if they get close, she can trap then.
If jhe could make more, why didn't he? And we don't know his chakra reserves so how do we know he could make mpore? All we have seen is him make only two.

Paperbombs that is standard equipment of all ninja in naruto.

Not all? I have never seen a lot of ninja ever use these. Including Kono, i've never seen him use one.

She doesn't have superior strength and speed. Kono put Naraku through a wall and reacted to him. Name anywhere in the manga showing she had superior speed and strength. Kono uses clones. Meaning he isn't attacking first. Meaning when she traps a clone he hits her with Kunai or a paper bomb.

His Rasengan put him through a wall, I meant she has better Taijutsu and yes she has better speed, because of her dodging the blast. Naraka dodged a FRS from a long distance, he didn't dodge a Rasengan with his back turned from 10 feet away.
He uses clones and does attack first because he is bloodlusted and a close-range fighter. No, he traps a clone, throws a kunai then moves. She gets hit, she heals.

Ebisu is stronger than Ino. As is chunin exam Naruto. Its more than anything Ino has done.

Doesn't mean Kono is.

Page of this happening. Also doesn't compare to Naraku speed.

Kuro already gave you the page.

Sigh he was not tired showed no signs of exhaustion. He could have made more than that if he needed too.

How do you know? What poroof has he shown that he could make more? He was only shown to make 2. If he could make more, why didn't he. At most, he could make 3 clones.

Ino has not done any of the things you just listed. He is till stronger than her that is all that matters. Again he did a full speed blitz at kono. That kick was as fast as the one that hit Ebisu. He saw Kono and couldn't react. Then there is the fact the clones were nowhere in site. Before the wall scene. So don't even know where you got the 10 ft thing from.

Neither has Kono. Prove that it was a full speedblitz and he wasn't holding back because he underestimated Kono. Prove that the kick to Ebisu is just as fast. He was already running at Naraka with the Rasengan and was about 10 feet away before easily jumping and hitting him. He had the full momentum, and Naraka wasn't looking until the last second, when he was in shock from Kono's feint.

No there is no comparison. To an elemental attack of Kakuza and frs. FRs was in there face before most of them could even move. Kakuza blasts choji was dodging them.

Kono has never shown any feats as dodging FRS or the elemental blast so it doesn't matter whether dodged it, Kono couldn't didge an FRS or the elemental blast.

Prove that Naraku was holding back. There is none that kick was the at the same speed he hit ebisu with. I never said he was Hypersoni. I said he was fast enough to hit Naraku before he can react which is a massive speed feat.

He was hodlding back, because he wanted information and wanted to get out quickly. He was also underestimating the fact that Kono is a kid. Your saying that Kono blitzed Naraka, who dodged FRS. So, do you think that Kono can dodge an FRS?

tyrell4life194
01-11-2011, 01:45 PM
Ok, I think I'm going to change my opinion around, due to them proving Devils Lawyer's claims wrong many times over.

Ok, we don't know the limit of Konohomaru's chakra reserves. We know that they are a little above average compared to most regular Genin, due to him to complete the main part of the Rasengan. However, as I've looked back in the Manga, Konohomaru's Rasengan was nowhere near the size as Naruto's Jiraiya's, or Minato's. Therefore, we can conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan should deal minimal damage at best.

Overall? Ino should heal the internal damage done to her body.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-11-2011, 01:48 PM
Ino can also catch him in her hair rope if he tried to use the rasengan

Kazumi Saitama
01-12-2011, 03:28 PM
Ok, I think I'm going to change my opinion around, due to them proving Devils Lawyer's claims wrong many times over.

Ok, we don't know the limit of Konohomaru's chakra reserves. We know that they are a little above average compared to most regular Genin, due to him to complete the main part of the Rasengan. However, as I've looked back in the Manga, Konohomaru's Rasengan was nowhere near the size as Naruto's Jiraiya's, or Minato's. Therefore, we can conclude that Konohomaru's Rasengan should deal minimal damage at best.

Overall? Ino should heal the internal damage done to her body.

It took you this long to realize this?! e.e

Noctis Arashi
01-12-2011, 03:31 PM
I lack to know how ino is healing from a rassengan. Kabuto healed from one. Yes. But it wasn't a "clean" heal. He still had some damage. And ino has shown no sufficient self healing feats that could compare.

Kazumi Saitama
01-12-2011, 03:33 PM
I lack to know how ino is healing from a rassengan. Kabuto healed from one. Yes. But it wasn't a "clean" heal. He still had some damage. And ino has shown no sufficient self healing feats that could compare.

Noctis, read the debate before you post. All of these points have been addressed.

mikeiskewl922
01-12-2011, 04:20 PM
Soo, is this thread getting locked?!

Kazumi Saitama
01-12-2011, 04:28 PM
Basically. Ino won.

Devil's Lawyer
01-12-2011, 04:28 PM
No because Ino gets severely raped. A character who is a sensory type with two jutsu. The first jutsu which can't be used against a moving a person. The second her chakra hair trap which requires her to keep touching the hair. The only opponent which she caught with said trap was nowhere near as fast as Kono. Who by the way as I keep mentioning reacted and survived a blitz from a jonin. So tell me how she wins. Tell me how she captures Konohamaru with her hair rope when he uses clones. Tell me how she beats him in close combat when he has shown better reactions and speed in combat. Forget running speed I am referring to combat speed. Also tell me in what universe can her hair trap stop a rasengan. Ino wins a rasengan to the face.

Noctis Arashi
01-12-2011, 04:36 PM
Noctis, read the debate before you post. All of these points have been addressed.

Kazumi, I'm not reading through multiple pages and walls of text to find the point I want to be adressed thank you.

Kazumi Saitama
01-12-2011, 04:37 PM
Someone lock this thread.

Devil's Lawyer
01-12-2011, 04:47 PM
No it hasn't all that is been said was Kono feat against Naraku being put down. Alot of make beleive scenarios was thrown out but not actual skill. In combat Kono definetly has the faster reactions. Whether you say he was luck or whatever he dodged and reacted to Naraku attack. It is laughable to say that he will be caught in a ridiculous trick like hair trap. Which considering the fact he uses clones won't be guranteed he will be caught. That is theory with no real truth behind it.

Noctis Arashi
01-12-2011, 04:49 PM
Kazumi, a thread can't be, and won't be locked as long as there is legible and conceivable debate occurring.

Kazumi Saitama
01-12-2011, 05:33 PM
Kazumi, a thread can't be, and won't be locked as long as there is legible and conceivable debate occurring.

There is not a legible and conceivable debate occurring. :/

Everyone has agreed that Ino would win this battle excluding you and Devil up there.

Furthermore, the claims of you and him have been disproved by prior posts and constantly repeating ourselves seems unnecessary when proof has been provided.

Devil's Lawyer
01-12-2011, 05:42 PM
There is not a legible and conceivable debate occurring. :/

Everyone has agreed that Ino would win this battle excluding you and Devil up there.

Furthermore, the claims of you and him have been disproved by prior posts and constantly repeating ourselves seems unnecessary when proof has been provided.

Again no it has not all that was said was Ino was a better fighter in constant wall of text. Just because it is in a text a page long doesn't make it true. As it goes I have slapped every arguement down constantly. All that was disputed was Kono Naraku feat. Which still stands because guess what it happened. It is greater combat feat than anything Ino has ever shown.

J-Sun Tasogare
01-12-2011, 06:35 PM
Once people want to debate I will re-open this.

Shikamaru Nara
01-13-2011, 02:34 PM
Why is it that nobody can have a nice debate anymore?