Tien vs Goku(Frieza Saga)

[Devil's Lawyer]

Location: Mountains

Distance: 50 meters

Bloodlusted no restrictions

This is Tien at the end of db vs Goku Frieza saga. Goku is allowed to go Super saiyan. So who wins? Also support your claims.

[Kill3r_B-st]

tien doesnt have to many feats to go off of

[MysticGoten]

Someone lock this, god.
You're kidding.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Support your claims. Definetly nothing to suggest that any of you right. Tien tracked buu for a sec definetly should tell something about his power.

[Inuyasha]

Is this before or after he has SS....xD (like it matters)

Even if not he has Kaio-ken which speed and power blitzes Tien bigtime :ugeek:

[Devil's Lawyer]

Again nobody was listening. Tien kept up and trashed his body at the end of db. So frieza saga Goku was equal to frieza right.Buu>>>>>>>>>>>Frieza. So how exactly is he going to win this fight. Just curious because its obvious most of you are saying Goku just because its Goku.

[Kill3r_B-st]

ell the only better feat he has is attack buu holding off cell and a filler of him fighting the ginyu force well a filler i think

[Devil's Lawyer]

ell the only better feat he has is attack buu holding off cell and a filler of him fighting the ginyu force well a filler i think

The last one is a filler. But the other two are real and surpasses all of Frieza Saga Goku feats.

[TheBlackChidori]

Tien was able to hold off Cell after he absorbed 17 and still escaped with is life. Tri-Beam, BAM, Tri-Beam, BAM.

Frieza Goku wasn't even able to dent the weaker androids.

[Dio Brando]

Who is Tien? You mean Tenshinhan?

[Narutorious]

Tien(Tenshinhan) has nice accomplishments, but unfortunately, those accomplishments was due to the Shin Kikoho attack. The Shin Kikoho isn't a regular energy blast, it uses the user's life force, hence why it is so powerful. With that being said, it's not an attack that can be used in a instant, it just help that Cell let his guard down, therefore being caught in the attack. With bloodlust being on this match, Goku will kill Tien right away. Humans in the manga never get to the level of a Ssj, it would had been the same case for Piccolo if it wasn't for the mergers he did.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Tien(Tenshinhan) has nice accomplishments, but unfortunately, those accomplishments was due to the Shin Kikoho attack. The Shin Kikoho isn't a regular energy blast, it uses the user's life force, hence why it is so powerful, with that being said, Cell let his guard down with Tien, & that's why he was caught in the attack, but with bloodlust being on this match, Goku will kill Tien right away. Humans in the manga never get to the level of a Ssj, it would had been the same case for Piccolo if it wasn't for the mergers he did.

That is not the case Tien still had to track cell and Buu movements in order to attack. Then he still survived blows from both. Frieza Goku didn't show any power close to that. The fact that he is human doesn't matter. Tien already surpassed the majority of the saiyan race. If we go by your logic you are basically saying child Goten could beat beat him just because he was Ssj. Which is definetely not the case.

[Narutorious]

That is not the case Tien still had to track cell and Buu movements in order to attack.
Cell was standing in one spot when he used the Shin Kikoho on him, which is a major advantage for the attack itself, it makes focusing on the attack easier. As for Buu, Tien just defected his blast, & Buu was floating in one spot in the air. So Tien didn't had to track either or their movements at all.

Then he still survived blows from both.
Buu just did a simple kick to knock Tien out & he had no interest in killing him, & Cell never touch Tien at all.

Frieza Goku didn't show any power close to that.
Anyone who has a good amount of power can defect a blast in Buu's case. As I said about Cell, that's because Tien used the Shin Kikoho, Tien wouldn't had be able to do that with the Kamehameha.

The fact that he is human doesn't matter. Tien already surpassed the majority of the saiyan race. If we go by your logic you are basically saying child Goten could beat beat him just because he was Ssj. Which is definetely not the case.
Unfortunately, being human does matter, because the only way he can get stronger is by training, but that has it's limits unless there's a transformation involved, like in Vegeta's case after the Cell Saga. Tien, Yamcha, & Krillin had all surpassed majority of the saiyans, but I said they never got as strong as a Ssj. Goten & Trunks are probably stronger than all humans, but even I don't know myself because it's hard to judge how strong they actually are, they haven't fought nobody important but themselves.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Cell was standing in one spot when he used the Shin Kikoho on him, which is major advantage for the attack itself, it makes focusing on the attack easier. As for Buu, Tien just defected hs blast, & Buu was floating in one spot in the air. So Tien didn't had to track either or their movements at all.



Buu just did a simple kick to knock Tien out, & Cell never touch Tien at all.

Yet neither could dodge the blow.

Anyone who has a good amount of power can defect a blast in Buu's case. As I said about Cell, that's because Tien used the Shin Kikoho, Tien wouldn't had be able to do that with the Kamehameha.

Doesn't matter the blast did its job Ssj Goku could not tank it. He would be done for.


Unfortunately, being human does matter, because the only way he can get stronger is by training, but that has it's limits unless there's a transformation involved, like in Vegeta's case. Tien, Yamcha, & Krillin had all surpassed majority of the saiyans, but I said they never got as strong as a Ssj. Goten & Trunks are probably stronger than all humans, but even I don't myself because it's hard to judge how strong they actually are, they haven't fought nobody important but themselves.

Tien clearly has a power to rival a Ssj. Just because they have the title Ssj doesn't mean anything. Plenty of creatures proven to rival a Ssj. Case and point Piccolo. Its not really surprising for a human like Tien who ralways trailed Goku power to become that strong. Both Goten and Trunks would get super raped by Tien. Neither one are good enough to surve his tactics or neo tri beam. That goes for Ss1 Goku too. Unless you have proof they can.

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[Narutorious]

Yet neither could dodge the blow.
Tien never even attack Buu, he defected a blast from Buu before it could hit Dende & Mr. Satan, and this is before anyone even notice Tien. Also, that given credit to the Shin Kikoho attack, not Tien, you are overrating Tien & underrating the Shin Kikoho.

Doesn't matter the blast did its job Ssj Goku could not tank it. He would be done for.
Exactly, the BLAST did it's job, and if Ssj Goku(Frieza) had the Shin Kikoho, he would had did a better job against Cell just because Ssj Goku's life force is stronger.

Tien clearly has a power to rival a Ssj. Just because they have the title Ssj doesn't mean anything.
Can you actually prove this without Tien using the Shin Kikoho?

Plenty of creatures proven to rival a Ssj. Case and point Piccolo.

Not any humans though, & Piccolo was due to merging, not pure training. Really, there are only Frieza, the Androids, the Kaioshins, Dabura, & Majin Buu, that's 12 characters who were naturally able to rival a Ssj, 5 of those characters were creations, another was supposely the most powerful of the universe, another 5 of those characters were "gods", and another was the King of evil. Not normal creatures.

Both Goten and Trunks would get super raped by Tien. Neither one are good enough to surve his tactics or neo tri beam. That goes for Ss1 Goku too..Unless you have proof they can
Tien is definitely superior to Goten & Trunks when it comes to skills & tactics, but power is another thing, and like I said, I can't estimate that myself because Trunks & Goten only fought each other. As for Ssj Goku(Frieza), Goku would beat him, the power difference is too much, Tien's only hope is the Shin Kikoho & with Goku being bloodlust, he isn't going to wait for Tien to charge the attack. Just how strong you think Tien is, I mean what would his power level be if you had to guess?

[Devil's Lawyer]

Tien never even attack Buu, he defected a blast from Buu before it could hit Dende & Mr. Satan, and this is before anyone even notice Tien. Also, that given credit to the Shin Kikoho attack, not Tien, you are overrating Tien & underrating the Shin Kikoho.

What do you mean that is Tien attack. He still needs the energy levels to use it. Life energy is still his energy. The fact he doesn't die from the attack and only winded is a testament to his power.


Exactly, the BLAST did it's job, and if Ssj Goku had the Shin Kikoho, he would had did a better job against Cell just because Ssj Goku's life force is stronger.

Not really Ssj Goku(Frieza) would have died from that attack. You don't get the fact that the attack damaged Buu. Ssj Goku(Frieza) doesn't have the power or the durabilty to stop an attack like that. If so give proof of him doing so.

Can used actually prove this without Tien using the Shin Kikoho?

I don't have to as that is Tien attack. Meaning that is his power. Meaning that the two are one and the same.


Not any humans though, & Piccolo was due to merging, not pure training. Really, there are only Frieza, the Androids, the Kaioshins, Dabura, & Majin Buu, that's 12 characters who were naturally able to rival a Ssj.

That wasn't a merger with Kami. Since they were originally one person that is his true power. That is still one character.

Tien is definitely superior to Goten & Trunks when it comes to skills & tactics, but power is another thing, and like I said, I can't estimate that myself because Trunks & Goten only fought each other. As for Ssj Goku(Frieza), Goku would beat him, the power difference is too much, Tien's only hope is the Shin Kikoho & with Goku being bloodlust, he isn't going to wait foe Tien to charge the attack. Just how strong you think Tien is, I mean what would his power level be if you had to guess?

I would say Ssj 1 who has trained for a while. Easily surpasses Goten and Trunks in power. Tien speed I can't really guess that due to limited scenes in db. But is overall raw power of his attack Surpasses Goku(frieza) massively


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[TheBlackChidori]

Narutorious, the Kikoho should count regardless of how powerful it is or how it drains his life force. It's a legit move, and Goku has little to counter it since most of his energy blasts(Which also drain life force) are long beams rather then one large blast at once.

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[Kill3r_B-st]

just to say devils lawyer goten and trunks are actually above tien i mite make a thread bout that in a second

[Narutorious]

What do you mean that is Tien attack. He still needs the energy levels to use it. Life energy is still his energy. The fact he doesn't die from the attack and only winded is a testament to his power
You're still not understanding the attack, Shin-Kikoho is so powerful because it require life force, an ki blast with life force is way more powerful than an ki blast with energy alone. It depends how much life force Tien puts into the attack for the results, such as he died against Nappa because he put all it into it, it would had killed Nappa if Nappa didn't dodge it, & Tien just fainted against Cell.

Not really Ssj Goku(Frieza) would have died from that attack. You don't get the fact that the attack damaged Buu. Ssj Goku(Frieza) doesn't have the power or the durabilty to stop an attack like that. If so give proof of him doing so
Goku would had only died if he put his entire life force in it, which would had done a lot more damage than it coming from Tien. Read the manga, Tien never even attack Buu at all, the only thing Tien did in the manga was defect a blast from hitting Dende & Mr. Satan, and that's not saying much, how much power would had Buu put in a attack to kill Dende & Satan? Tien only attack Buu in the anime, which even then, Buu didn't even bother to dodge the attack & it did no damage to him.

That wasn't a merger with Kami. Since they were originally one person that is his true power. That is still one character.
Did you forget about Nail?

I would say Ssj 1 who has trained for a while. Easily surpasses Goten and Trunks in power. Tien speed I can't really guess that due to limited scenes in db. But is overall raw power of his attack Surpasses Goku(frieza) massively
You gave Tien way too much credit, no way Tien, or anyone else for that matter, can have a major power increase like that from pure training alone, that doesn't even happen for Goku & Vegeta, what help them out is transformations, what help Piccolo out was merging with Kami & Nail, what help Gohan out was transformations & a power up, but has any of them had such a increase of power in training alone, no, why would Tien be different?
Narutorious, the Kikoho should count regardless of how powerful it is or how it drains his life force. It's a legit move, and Goku has little to counter it since most of his energy blasts(Which also drain life force) are long beams rather then one large blast at once.
The regular Kikoho isn't a threat, it would be the Shin Kikoho that would be a threat, and I've never said I wasn't counting the attack, it just that the attack has flaws, it's not an attack that can be used in an instant, you have to gather energy first & you have to focus on the spot that the opponent is at. The problem with that in the match is that bloodlust is on, so Goku wouldn't wait for him to gather energy for the attack.

[cnorwood]

do people in here actually read the manga? ki attacks raise powerlevls, you can fight with 1 power level then when you shoot a concentrated ki blast you power raises your power level exponentially, and the only think tien did was cancel out a casual blast by boohan while being unnoticed, not anything spectacular, he would never hit anyone with a kikoho or a shin kikoho when fighting someone one on one

[Narutorious]

Exactly, Tien will never be able to hit anyone with the Shin Kikoho against someone who's in bloodlust mode. The Shin Kikoho require gathering life force energy & concentration. Look at the 2 prime examples, Nappa & Cell, both of them was sitting in one spot when Tien used the attack, Tien was able to concentrate on that spot because of it, even then, Nappa was able to dodge it, & while it did hit Cell, all it was doing was holding Cell down, it wasn't doing any actual damage to Cell. Can Tien's Shin Kikoho(end of DB manga) kill Ssj Goku(Frieza)? Of course it can. Would a bloodlust Goku let Tien have the time or concentration to do the attack? Of course not.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Exactly, Tien will never be able to hit anyone with the Shin Kikoho against someone who's in bloodlust mode. The Shin Kikoho require gathering life force energy & concentration. Look at the 2 prime examples, Nappa & Cell, both of them was sitting in one spot when Tien used the attack, Tien was able to concentrate on that spot because of it, even then, Nappa was able to dodge it, & while it did hit Cell, all it was doing was holding Cell down, it wasn't doing any actual damage to Cell. Can Tien's Shin Kikoho(end of DB manga) kill Ssj Goku(Frieza)? Of course it can. Would a bloodlust Goku let Tien have the time or concentration to do the attack? Of course not.

There won't be any blitzing if that is what you are suggesting. Tien survived a beating from cell jr which were definetly stronger than Goku(Frieza).(Ch 408) Seeing as they were winning against Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta at the time. Goku(Frieza) didn't fight anything close to that type of power. Not even frieza. Tien could easily tank anything Goku gives out and fight back. You two are trying to say that Shin Kikoho ins't his power but it is. If Tien uses a half concentrated blast and release it Goku(Frieza). Still can't tank it.

[Narutorious]

There won't be any blitzing if that is what you are suggesting.

Goku doesn't even have to blitz, all he has to do is move around at a good speed, the only way Tien would hit Goku with the Shin-Kikoho is if Goku attack head-on or stand still, which wouldn't happen, and you put bloodlust in this match, so Goku would go for the kill, why wouldn't he blitz?

Tien survived a beating from cell jr which were definetly stronger than Goku(Frieza).(Ch 408) Seeing as they were winning against Trunks, Goku, and Vegeta at the time. Goku(Frieza) didn't fight anything close to that type of power. Not even frieza.
It's called toying with your opponent, Cell even mention himself that Vegeta & Trunks was the only ones who could fight back against the Cell Juniors, also the fact Cell was just trying to unleash Gohan's power, he wasn't initially going for the kill. Android 17 easily knock out Tien with no effort who is far weaker than the Cell Juniors.

Tien could easily tank anything Goku gives out and fight back.
You two are trying to say that Shin Kikoho ins't his power but it is. If Tien uses a half concentrated blast and release it Goku(Frieza). Still can't tank it.
You're still not paying attention, I've never said the Shin-Kikoho was never Tien's power, the problem is you're not understanding that the Kikoho or Shin-Kikoho is more than just Tien's energy, it's also Tien's life force involved in the attack. Also, the attack doesn't work that way, he can't just used half concentration, if he does it wrong, he's dead.

Also, I'm about to used a example, it's obvious you had overhype how strong Tien has actually could get from training. Since it's popular belief that Ssj Goku's PL is 15 million, I'm going to used that. Tien's max PL(end of DB manga) would probably be at 10 million, and that's exaggerate if you ask me because Tien doesn't have any way to get that strong without special training.

[cnorwood]

the cell jrs were toying with thier opponets, i hope you really didnt think that the cell jrs were actually trying.

and narutorious,the official daizenshuu power level for ssj goku freiza saga is 150,000,000 not 15,000,000

[Narutorious]

150 millions?! Are you sure? That's seems way too high to me, I know Frieza's 2nd form was at least 1 million. If Goku's PL is 150 million, that would mean Frieza's max would be 120 million supposely, I don't see how Frieza get to 1 million to 120 million in 2 transformations.

[cnorwood]

150 millions?! Are you sure? That's seems way too high to me, I know Frieza's 2nd form was at least 1 million. If Goku's PL is 150 million, that would mean Frieza's max would be 120 million supposely, I don't see how Frieza get to 1 million to 120 million in 2 transformations.
it is 150 million, base goku was 3 million and ssj multiplies the power level by 50 equalling 150000000 its in daizenshuu 7 which are official and were created by toriyama

[MysticGoten]

Let me check, I got the Daizenshuu. One sec...
Yup; 150 million and 120 million.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Goku doesn't even have to blitz, all he has to do is move around at a good speed, the only way Tien would hit Goku with the Shin-Kikoho is if Goku attack head-on or stand still, which wouldn't happen, and you put bloodlust in this match, so Goku would go for the kill, why wouldn't he blitz?

I didn't say he couldn't try to blitz. I am saying that Tien could indeed counter. With either a point blank regular tri beam or tank the blows.

It's called toying with your opponent, Cell even mention himself that Vegeta & Trunks was the only ones who could fight back against the Cell Juniors, also the fact Cell was just trying to unleash Gohan's power, he wasn't initially going for the kill. Android 17 easily knock out Tien with no effort who is far weaker than the Cell Juniors.

The blows that cell jr gave out were way more fiercer than anything Goku(Frieza) was putting out against frieza. The fact he survived showed how strong he was. Even a half tired Goku(cell) was getting wailed on. Even if you say they weren't trying.

You're still not paying attention, I've never said the Shin-Kikoho was never Tien's power, the problem is you're not understanding that the Kikoho or Shin-Kikoho is more than just Tien's energy, it's also Tien's life force involved in the attack. Also, the attack doesn't work that way, he can't just used half concentration, if he does it wrong, he's dead.

There is his duplication tech, solar flare, dodon, and tri beam. All attacks
which could delay Goku. Dodon especially useful attacking joints.

Also, I'm about to used a example, it's obvious you had overhype how strong Tien has actually could get from training. Since it's popular belief that Ssj Goku's PL is 15 million, I'm going to used that. Tien's max PL(end of DB manga) would probably be at 10 million, and that's exaggerate if you ask me because Tien doesn't have any way to get that strong without special training.

No you are overhyping Goku considerably. The fact that Tien survived blows from beings that can kill Frieza with one blows proves my point. You can say they were half hearted or whatever. But he still tanked them. Something that Goku(Frieza) Could not do. That proves Tien power level has a heavy indication that he is stronger than Goku(Frieza). Supersaiyan is the highest wanked form in history. This coming from a db fan.

[Inuyasha]

Kioken speed blitzes and power boosts

Can tien even keep up?

[Narutorious]

I didn't say he couldn't try to blitz. I am saying that Tien could indeed counter. With either a point blank regular tri beam or tank the blows.A regular Kikoho would be easily blockable by Ssj Goku.

The blows that cell jr gave out were way more fiercer than anything Goku(Frieza) was putting out against frieza. The fact he survived showed how strong he was. Even a half tired Goku(cell) was getting wailed on. Even if you say they weren't trying.How does Cell Jr. toying with him show how he is? It's shows nothing really, if Cell Jr. wanted to kill him, he could had in a instant. As I said before, only Vegeta & Trunks was able to handle the Cell Jrs. Goku couldn't fight back cause he was exhausted. And you still ignoring the fact that #17 easily knock out Tien, who's way weaker than a Cell Jrs.

There is his duplication tech, solar flare, dodon, and tri beam. All attacks which could delay Goku. Dodon especially useful attacking joints.Everything you listed Goku was able to avoid, block, or dodge in his childhood days, what would make this different?

No you are overhyping Goku considerably. The fact that Tien survived blows from beings that can kill Frieza with one blows proves my point. You can say they were half hearted or whatever. But he still tanked them. Something that Goku(Frieza) Could not do. That proves Tien power level has a heavy indication that he is stronger than Goku(Frieza). Supersaiyan is the highest wanked form in history. This coming from a db fanI'm not overhyping Goku at all, I just know how strong the humans realisticly gotten, they never had a huge power increase because they've never could, the biggest increase in power Tien possibly had was probably from training on North Kaio's planet. Also, getting beat up means nothing, as I said, the same thing would happen to Frieza if it was the same case, Tien survived those blows because he was allowed to survived, Majin Buu or Cell Jr. could had easily killed Tien with one blow if they wanted to. BTW, Tien never gets as strong as Frieza.

[Inuyasha]

Goku took down all of frieza's minions and Vegeta

Tien is no match for him

He speed and power blitzes with Kioken

And yes tien trained under same teachings but didn't master what goku mastered

[Devil's Lawyer]

A regular Kikoho would be easily blockable by Ssj Goku.

Tien energy attacks easily evolved to the point were they could even destroy mountains. Remember during training that was a regular tri beam. They were creating endless pitts even in the old days. How does he tank that. Though Goku(frieza) strength and speed increased he still could not tank a mountain buster easily.

How does Cell Jr. toying with him show how he is? It's shows nothing really, if Cell Jr. wanted to kill him, he could had in a instant. As I said before, only Vegeta & Trunks was able to handle the Cell Jrs. Goku couldn't fight back cause he was exhausted. And you still ignoring the fact that #17 easily knock out Tien, who's way weaker than a Cell Jrs.

It shows his durability. The blows they gave out were easily as strong as Vegeta and Trunks attacks. The cell juniors were all attacking on the same level. It was just that only Vegeta and trunks could fight back. Goku was still stronger than frieza Goku even when his energy was running on empty. He just quit because he wanted Gohan to fight. That was before this after. Do I have to bring up the fact that Buu hit him with a unheld back kick and he survived. All of those beating signify his strength increase.

Everything you listed Goku was able to avoid, block, or dodge in his childhood days, what would make this different?

The fact this is not the same Tien. The fact that he can generate power levels and attacks that can harm Buu. The fact he can Neo tri beam shows that he can raise his energy to that level. You keep saying its the attack. But it is not just the attack its Tien. Especially since he created the attack.

I'm not overhyping Goku at all, I just know how strong the humans realisticly gotten, they never had a huge power increase because they've never could, the biggest increase in power Tien possibly had was probably from training on North Kaio's planet. Also, getting beat up means nothing, as I said, the same thing would happen to Frieza if it was the same case, Tien survived those blows because he was allowed to survived, Majin Buu or Cell Jr. could had easily killed Tien with one blow if they wanted to. BTW, Tien never gets as strong as Frieza.

No what you are going on is the fact he is human. But Tien has already proved that he can hang with the saiyans. Though he will never beat the Goku in his current time. He would definetly stomp Goku(Frieza) and on down.

[Inuyasha]

What about a kioken speed kamehameha

If that hits Tien loses :???:

[Devil's Lawyer]

What about a kioken speed kamehameha

If that hits Tien loses :???:

The fact that Tien already surpassed those levels of power. He just hasn't faced an opponent in his range since Nappa. Everybody Tien has fought has been overwhelmingly stronger than him. But he still survibed and has gotten stronger. Him knocking Buu blast away is proof of that. Seeing as 18 got killed by said blast of that level.

[cnorwood]

raditz was a mountain range buster, they arent that incredible in dragonball, and devils lawyer have you read the manga? you are saying things like tien has attacks that can harm boo, which never happenned in the manga, he didnt even harm cell he just pushed him
and the cell jrs were not even harming vegeta and trunks, they were pretty even, and they were still toying with them, untill cell gave them the command to kill the z-senshi
and yea we dont know that he actually survived that kick from boo

[Devil's Lawyer]

raditz was a mountain range buster, they arent that incredible in dragonball, and devils lawyer have you read the manga? you are saying things like tien has attacks that can harm boo, which never happenned in the manga, he didnt even harm cell he just pushed him
and the cell jrs were not even harming vegeta and trunks, they were pretty even, and they were still toying with them, untill cell gave them the command to kill the z-senshi
and yea we dont know that he actually survived that kick from boo
My fault you were right. But Tien still casually blocked Buu blast. Same Buu who was stomping Gohan a sec ago. That was a simple tri beam attack. Holding cell down is a major power showing feat.

Stiil doesn't change the fact that the blows they were dealing way more powerful than anything Goku(Frieza)

Still doesn't matter blocked an attack from boo. Which is not an easy feat. Which definetly trumped any attack Frieza or Goku dealt out at the time. He wasn't winded in the slightly.

Nothing you say will change the fact that Tien survived attack from creatures way more powerful than Goku(frieza). Who in fact could fly swat Frieza. You guys are just wanking Goku(frieza) power and downplaying Tien's.

[cnorwood]

well tien blocked a casual blast from boo with his strongest attack, that doesnt really show much, im pretty sure a full powered kamehameha from freiza goku could do the same

[Devil's Lawyer]

well tien blocked a casual blast from boo with his strongest attack, that doesnt really show much, im pretty sure a full powered kamehameha from freiza goku could do the same

Pretty sure and having proof of him doing so is not the same. Which is what we use around here. As you already know.:)

[Demonfire_Ninja]

Ummm.... look just wanted to put in my opinion based on facts,
Fact 1: Being human in DB is not a limitation on how powerfull a character can become, this is shown at the end of DB when Goku finds Uub, I do understand that Uub already had a great deal of potential due to being the reincarnation of Buu, however he is still technically a human with all the limitations that come with it, and yet he is able to become just as powerful as Buu.

Fact 2:Tien had gained a great deal of power by the end of the manga, his feats reflect this.

Fact 3: SSJ Goku(Frieza Saga) is incredibly powerfull, 150, 000, 000 power level, however he would not be strong enough to even slow Cell's second form down even a little, let alone the way Tien did.

If you consider these facts I would say that Tien would be the logical winner of the battle.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Wait, does Goku get feats from before Frieza too?

[cnorwood]

Ummm.... look just wanted to put in my opinion based on facts,
Fact 1: Being human in DB is not a limitation on how powerfull a character can become, this is shown at the end of DB when Goku finds Uub, I do understand that Uub already had a great deal of potential due to being the reincarnation of Buu, however he is still technically a human with all the limitations that come with it, and yet he is able to become just as powerful as Buu.

Fact 2:Tien had gained a great deal of power by the end of the manga, his feats reflect this.

Fact 3: SSJ Goku(Frieza Saga) is incredibly powerfull, 150, 000, 000 power level, however he would not be strong enough to even slow Cell's second form down even a little, let alone the way Tien did.

If you consider these facts I would say that Tien would be the logical winner of the battle.
your forgetting 2 things
1. tiens shin ki ko ho just pushed cell it actually never even hurt him
2.a shin ki ko ho would never hit someone who is expecting it
3. tien never showed anything to suggest he is above freiza much less ssj goku
4. a surprise shin kikoho is argualby the 3rd best attack in the series behind 1. freizas tsubi kienzan, and 2 krillins kienzan
yea if this was a sneak attack battle then a shin kikoho possibly would end this but considering he has to fight goku head to head, he is going to loose