Minato vs Orochimaru

[ItachixKisame]

Location: Where Hiruzen fought against Orochimaru.
Starting distance: 30 meters.

[tyrell4life194]

Orochimaru takes this.

If Minato hits him with a Rasengan, (which probably won't happen) Orochimaru can then use Oral Rebirth to completely heal himself.

Also, Orochimaru has great durability feats. He was able to not only survive a speedblitz from KN3 (he put his face back on), he was also able to survive getting sliced in half.

Not only that, but Orochimaru can fire his Sword of Kusanagi out of his mouth at great speeds and for long distances. It was strong enough to send the KN4 flying, and durable enough to not break, even though it was unsucessful on piercing through KN4's skin.

Orochimaru can summon Manda, and Manda can devour Minato.

Overall, Orochimaru stomps this.

[ItachixKisame]

I don't know if this means much but during part 1 (not much before the fight between Hiruzen and Oro) Anko states that she wished that Minato would be alive to face Orochimaru. I think Minato is being underrestimated. After all he wasn't Hokage for nothing. But I am not so good at stating facts and comparing them together so never mind me :P

[Shikamaru Nara]

After all he wasn't Hokage for nothing.

He didn't show any impressive feats. So in theory, he was.

[Yellow Flash]

He didn't show any impressive feats. So in theory, he was.
Do you just bash Minato at every opportunity you get? Just because he has lack of feats doesn't automatically make him weak and only have those feats presented.

[ItachixKisame]

He didn't show any impressive feats. So in theory, he was.

Have we really seen him in action, except for battling Madara?: /

[Lady Tsunade]

He didn't show any impressive feats. So in theory, he was.

Going by just feats is retarded. If a character has some good hype you can use to back up feats, it should be perfectly acceptable to use.

In any case, Minato needs prep for his Hiraishin, to be able set them all around the area so he can teleport to them. Otherwise, he's going to have to throw one or two kunai at a time, whicj Oro can easily deflect. He also most likely regenerate back from any of Minatos rasengan attacks, and he can counter Gamabunta with Manda.

He can't win. Minato is hyped because of his immense speed. But he needs prep to be able to use it. Which he doesn't have here.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Do you just bash Minato at every opportunity you get? Just because he has lack of feats doesn't automatically make him weak and only have those feats presented.

No. Are you biased towards him every opportunity you get?

Doesn't mean he's strong either.


Have we really seen him in action, except for battling Madara?: /

Nope. And that's the point.

Going by just feats is retarded. If a character has some good hype you can use to back up feats, it should be perfectly acceptable to use.

Hype to back up feats is fine, but hype alone is garbage.
Show me feats.
He hasn't actually shown speed feats.



Green.

[tyrell4life194]

Do you just bash Minato at every opportunity you get? Just because he has lack of feats doesn't automatically make him weak and only have those feats presented.
Orochimaru=Legendary Snake Sannin.
Minato=Failed father, and a fodder in this match.

Do the math.

[gama-sennin]

Orochimaru=Legendary Slug Sannin.



What does that mean? Are you sure you are talking about Oro and not Tsunade?


Minato=Failed father, and a fodder in this match.

Do the math.This sentence proves, when combined with the one above it, your comprehensive (lack of) knowledge and unbiased(?) attitude towards Minato..

Although there is no doubt that Orochimaru will win this based on "feats".

[Sheelah]

Orochimaru takes this one easily, for any damage that Minato could possible inflict, Orochimaru can use his regenrative capabilities. Plus, he also has his forbidden jutsus to take into consideration. Usually I'm al for Minato, but in this case, his only shot would be the Reaper Death Seal, so if that were employed, he wins and loses.

[tyrell4life194]

What does that mean? Are you sure you are talking about Oro and not Tsunade?
Don't worry, I corrected it.
This sentence proves, when combined with the one above it, your comprehensive (lack of) knowledge and unbiased(?) attitude towards Minato..
My "lack of knowledge" (look at the first comment I wrote), is the reason why Orochimaru stomps this. I already proved that Orochimaru stomps this, storywise, and by feats. Infact, Orochimaru would've been the 4th Hokage, if he wasn't doing experiments in Konoha.
Although there is no doubt that Orochimaru will win this based on "feats".
In red bro.

[gama-sennin]

In red bro.

I know bro..;)

Its just that Minato hate in BG is almost as bad as Minato wankery everywhere else.

[Ultimate combatant]

If this is by feats, and it is by feats, Orochimaru wins.

If it was story wise who`s stronger, then Minato stomps.

[Uchiha Raimaru]

Oro probably couldn't react to FTG, but the guy survived being sliced into pieces by Sasuke. At that point, I'm not sure there is much he couldn't survive. Then add in Oral Rebirth, and stuff just gets crazy. Oro should be outlasting Minato. Minato's only hope is to force a draw with Shiki Fuin.

[Nyruss]

Hype is only allowed for characters I don't hate.

[tyrell4life194]

I know bro..;)

Its just that Minato hate in BG is almost as bad as Minato wankery everywhere else.
Tell me about it. Matter of fact, I've been in many forums when I've seen so much of a wankfest, you wouldn't believe your eyes.

Hype is only allowed for characters I don't hate.
Yeah. Sure.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Couldn't Minato use Space-Time Barrier to BFR Oro though?

[Kuromaki]

Couldn't Minato use Space-Time Barrier to BFR Oro though?
Yeah, if he's fast enough. Wouldn't be a stretch with hype speed.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Makes sense since Oro isn't exactly a speedster anyway. Oro's got good reactions, but in terms of movement I doubt he'd be capable of blitzing.

[tyrell4life194]

No, Orochimaru isn't capable of blitzing. He has shown very little to no speed feats, necessary for a speedblitz.

However, due to his durability, Orochimaru should be able to tank any attack Minato throws at him. Even if Minato manages to harm Orochimaru, Orochimaru will use Oral Rebirth to heal any of his injuries.

Due to none of his Jutsus working on Orochimaru, Orochimaru summons Manda to finish the job.

[Slack 40]

Orochimaru can take any physical attack that minato can dish out. the only threat is rasengan, which can still probably be tanked. Hype is good for backing up feats, as shikamaru said, but alone isn't good for deciding fights.

Manda is enough to take down Gama, and Dead demon consuming seal would kill minato resulting in a draw. Kusanagi sword, Sea of snakes (with their own mini kusanagi swords), snake summons, heck even wind style great breakthrough can knock away plenty of kunai. I fail to see minato overcoming all of those with his FTG and weak rasengan before he gets killed by oro

[tyrell4life194]

It's unlikely that Orochimaru will tank the Rasengan. Apart from being an A-Ranked Jutsu, it also does internal damage to the body, as well as destroying blood vessels, organs, and muscle tissue. If Orochimaru is harmed, he will use the Oral Rebirth to heal all of his injuries, caused by Minato's Rasengan.

[Kuromaki]

I'd love to see Oro tank a Rasengan to the face...

But anyway. It's true that Minato would have a hard time overcoming Oro's jutsu, Slack, so a ring out is the best option. He can warp Oro away with Space Time Barrier, or like I said hit him somewhere really fatal with Rasengan, but other than that there's not much he can do.

[tyrell4life194]

Orochimaru manged to survive a speedblitz from KN3. KN3 grabbed his face, and through him to the middle of the forest. This caused one side of Orochimaru's face to be ripped open. Moreso, Orochimaru survived getting sliced in half by KN4's claws. I believe Orochimaru can survive a Rasengan to the face. It depends on how much chakra Minato puts into his Rasengan, and how forcefully Minato pushes the Rasengan onto Orochimaru's face.

Hmm.

[Kuromaki]

KN3 grabbed his face, and through him to the middle of the forest. This caused one side of Orochimaru's face to be ripped open.
Chapter and page?
Moreso, Orochimaru survived getting sliced in half by KN4's claws.
Because of Snake Gathering. It's different from eating a spiraling sphere of chakra that can cause serious damage to your insides.

[tyrell4life194]

Chapter and page?
Chapter 291 Pages 4-6. These 3 pages shows Naruto speedblitzing Orochimaru, by grabbing his face, and sending him through the middle of the forest.
Chapter 291 Page 14. This page shows half of Orochimaru's half of his face ripped open I believe.

Because of Snake Gathering. It's different from eating a spiraling sphere of chakra that can cause serious damage to your insides.
Correct. However, due to the Kyuubi's extremely fast healing rate, the damage done inside the body was literally, no big deal for the Kyuubi fox.

[Kuromaki]

Page 13 for me. Anyway it showed his real body underneath (the dood he possessed) he was just using an outer skin of sorts and that's the one Naruto ripped.

It's still different from major internal damage. Minato can also place a seal on him right after doing Rasengan, which is what he did with Tobi, so if Orochimaru survives. Another Rasengan. He still survives? Another Rasengan. He moves? Rasengan once more.

The Space Time Barrier is a safer method though.

[tyrell4life194]

Page 13 for me. Anyway it showed his real body underneath (the dood he possessed) he was just using an outer skin of sorts and that's the one Naruto ripped.
Ah, ok.
It's still different from major internal damage. Minato can also place a seal on him right after doing Rasengan, which is what he did with Tobi, so if Orochimaru survives. Another Rasengan. He still survives? Another Rasengan. He moves? Rasengan once more.
Yes, Minato can place a seal onto Orochimaru, so he can warp to him as he pleases. And also, it depends on how much chakra Minato has. In order for the user to create the Rasengan, they need to mold the chakra into the palms to the highest point. The user can then add their nature affinity into it. Unfortunately for Minato, he was unable to do so, as he died before he was able to accomplish his goal. I believe with probably 5-6 Rasengans, Minato will become tired. Also, Orochimaru too will become tired, due to him constantly using the Oral Rebirth. But remember; Orochimaru has great durability. It depends on how much force Minato puts onto the Rasengan, to shove it into Orochimaru. Moreso, it depends on how much chakra Minato molds into his palm.
The Space Time Barrier is a safer method though.
Correct. However, it's most likely that Orochimaru will use his Snake Slithering, to force Minato into using his Space Time Barrier. This will cause Minato to waste his chakra.

[Kuromaki]

Minato warped a fully charged chakra ball from a full power Kyubi, fought Tobi and used a Rasengan there, summoned Gamabunta, and warped the entire Kyubi all while using Flying Thunder God at various times.

Chakra isn't a problem.

[tyrell4life194]

Minato warped a fully charged chakra ball from a full power Kyubi, fought Tobi and used a Rasengan there, summoned Gamabunta, and warped the entire Kyubi all while using Flying Thunder God at various times.
Those are amazing feats. However, I'll list a few of Orochimaru's feats. Orochimaru sent the KN4 flying across the forest, survived a speedblitz from KN3, survived getting sliced in half by KN4, can use the Oral Rebirth to heal any of his injuries, tanked the rest of KN4's Beast Tailed Ball, and kept up with KN4's Chakra Arms. All of these feats were accomplished during one fight.

Chakra isn't a problem.
Chakra is needed in order to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Also, without Chakra, the person will have an extremely hard time to move at all. Think of it as a life force. If a shinobi, or a kunoichi runs out of chakra, they will die.

[Kuromaki]

Um, ok but Minato still Rasengans him or warps him away. Like I said Rasengan + warp multiple times. Orochimaru can't keep using Oral Rebirth, assuming he still can when Rasengan hits his face.

[tyrell4life194]

Kuromaki, it's unlikely that Orochimaru will die from one Rasengan. And even if Minato manages to hit Orochimaru will a barrage of Rasengans, Orochimaru will use his Oral Rebirth to heal any of his injuries, while Minato regains his energy.

Orochimaru will most likely use his Snake Slithering to finish the job. Minato will warp all of the snakes away, which will then, waste his chakra even more.

Although Minato has shown impressive reaction speed, (seeing as how he was able to dodge a swipe from Kyuubi's paw, and appear under a tree) there is no guarantee that Minato will have the necessary speed, nor the energy, to dodge Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi.

[Kuromaki]

Just as a reminder to people we're debating with Minato hype speed xD
Kuromaki, it's unlikely that Orochimaru will die from one Rasengan.This is Rasengan to the face we're talking about. Look at the damage Rasengan did to the water tank when Naruto used it on the roof and this is Minato's which is larger and more powerful. And even if Orochimaru survives it, Rasengan spam or warp ftw.
And even if Minato manages to hit Orochimaru will a barrage of Rasengans, Orochimaru will use his Oral Rebirth to heal any of his injuries, while Minato regains his energy.You can't use Oral Rebirth without a mouth hence it being called Oral Rebirth. That's why I mentioned the face shot. And because of the chakra Oral Rebirth takes up it's more than likely that Orochimaru runs out before Minato.
Orochimaru will most likely use his Snake Slithering to finish the job.Depends if he can wear Minato down enough.
Minato will warp all of the snakes away, which will then, waste his chakra even more. Who said anything about snakes? We're debating Rasengan and Oral Rebirth.

If you're talking about the Sea of Snakes, I'm not sure what Minato can do about that. lol. Which is why it's essential for him to get up close, and most likely he'll try since his best attacks are up close.

Oh on another note he can summon Gamabunta, stand on his back and get the hell away from the snakes. Jump over them, even.

Manda is the biggest threat Orochimaru could give with snakes and in that case Minato can't do much.
there is no guarantee that Minato will have the necessary speed, nor the energy, to dodge Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi. Hype, remember his Raikage reflexes. And you're right it isn't a guarantee with his feats but he also reacted to a chakra ball and warped it away. What if he warps Orochimaru away by warping Kusanagi away, since it usually comes out of the guy's mouth?

[tyrell4life194]

Just as a reminder to people we're debating with Minato hype speed xD
This is Rasengan to the face we're talking about. Look at the damage Rasengan did to the water tank when Naruto used it on the roof and this is Minato's which is larger and more powerful. And even if Orochimaru survives it, Rasengan spam or warp ftw.
A Rasengan is extremely powerful. However, Orochimaru won't die from it. KN3 grabbed Orochimaru's face and threw him to the middle of the forest. Now, the force KN3 applied to Orochimaru's face is greater than the force Naruto applied to the water tank. I doubt Minato has the same powerful force that the KN3 has when it threw Orochimaru to the middle of the forest.
You can't use Oral Rebirth without a mouth hence it being called Oral Rebirth. That's why I mentioned the face shot. And because of the chakra Oral Rebirth takes up it's more than likely that Orochimaru runs out before Minato.
I believe Orochimaru can still use the Oral Rebirth with a broken face. Even with his arms destroyed, he was still able to hold his own against Jiraiya and Tsunade iirc.
Depends if he can wear Minato down enough.
It also depends on how much chakra Minato has. We can assume Minato has an extraordinary amount of chakra, seeing as how he was able to use the FTG Technique multiple times, and was able to warp the Kyuubi's Beast Tailed Ball out of Konohagakure no Sato.
Who said anything about snakes? We're debating Rasengan and Oral Rebirth.
While Minato recovers his energy, Orochimaru will most likely use the Snake Slithering to finish Minato off. Minato will see this coming, and if he has enough energy to do so, he will warp the snakes away. This will likely cause him to waste more of his chakra.

If you're talking about the Sea of Snakes, I'm not sure what Minato can do about that. lol. Which is why it's essential for him to get up close, and most likely he'll try since his best attacks are up close.
Correct. However, Orochimaru will thwart Minato's plan to get up close with his Sword of Kusanagi. If Minato manages to warp the sword away, he will need some time to recover his strength and stamina.
Oh on another note he can summon Gamabunta, stand on his back and get the hell away from the snakes. Jump over them, even.
Summoning Gamabunta will waste even more of his chakra. In other words, Gamabunta will have to fight Orochimaru himself. It's doubtful that Gamabunta can survive getting stabbed by Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi.
Manda is the biggest threat Orochimaru could give with snakes and in that case Minato can't do much.
Hype, remember his Raikage reflexes. And you're right it isn't a guarantee with his feats but he also reacted to a chakra ball and warped it away.
Not when the majority of his chakra is depleted. Minato will need some time to recover. It's doubtful that Minato will make a final attempt to warp Orochimaru away, or else, he would suffer from chakra exhaustion.

Also, can you give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of anyone stating that Minato has Raikage reflexes? It would help me analyze the situation much better.
What if he warps Orochimaru away by warping Kusanagi away, since it usually comes out of the guy's mouth?
Hmm. Well, it depends on whether Minato has enough chakra left, to warp Orochimaru and the Kusanagi away.

[Kuromaki]

A Rasengan is extremely powerful. However, Orochimaru won't die from it. KN3 grabbed Orochimaru's face and threw him to the middle of the forest. Now, the force KN3 applied to Orochimaru's face is greater than the force Naruto applied to the water tank. I doubt Minato has the same powerful force that the KN3 has when it threw Orochimaru to the middle of the forest.Fine. He slams Rasengan into Orochimaru's face.
I believe Orochimaru can still use the Oral Rebirth with a broken face. Even with his arms destroyed, he was still able to hold his own against Jiraiya and Tsunade iirc.Irrelevant, we're talking about his face not his arms.
It also depends on how much chakra Minato has. We can assume Minato has an extraordinary amount of chakra, seeing as how he was able to use the FTG Technique multiple times, and was able to warp the Kyuubi's Beast Tailed Ball out of Konohagakure no Sato.As well as using Rasengan, summoning Gamabunta and warping the entire Kyubi.
While Minato recovers his energy, Orochimaru will most likely use the Snake Slithering to finish Minato off. Minato will see this coming, and if he has enough energy to do so, he will warp the snakes away. This will likely cause him to waste more of his chakra.Snake Slithering is when Orochimaru slithers around as a snake isn't it? Well now that Orochimaru is charging right at Minato, Minato warps him away.

Note that I'm focusing on Orochimaru's face getting Rasengan'd off multiple times, not Orochimaru living to perform an attack on a tired Minato.
Correct. However, Orochimaru will thwart Minato's plan to get up close with his Sword of Kusanagi. If Minato manages to warp the sword away, he will need some time to recover his strength and stamina.It's not a huge deal, warping that sword. It's not like a tailed beast ball which by the way Minato warped without showing any sign of fatigue.
Summoning Gamabunta will waste even more of his chakra. In other words, Gamabunta will have to fight Orochimaru himself. It's doubtful that Gamabunta can survive getting stabbed by Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi.Minato's still there though it's not just Orochimaru vs. Gamabunta. Besides, Orochimaru has Manda to deal with Gamabunta should the situation ever arise.
Not when the majority of his chakra is depleted. Minato will need some time to recover. It's doubtful that Minato will make a final attempt to warp Orochimaru away, or else, he would suffer from chakra exhaustion...I don't get where you're getting this from.
Also, can you give me a Manga Chapter and Page Number of anyone stating that Minato has Raikage reflexes? It would help me analyze the situation much better.Chapter 462 I believe, but you have to get to the right manga site. Most sources actually say that A has light speed reflexes, although those translations are by sleepyfans which is known for inaccuracies.

And it's not just that comment. He's nicknamed the Yellow Flash for a reason, Tobi and others commented on his speed.

[tyrell4life194]

Fine. He slams Rasengan into Orochimaru's face.
Due to his impressive durability feats, a Rasengan to the face won't kill him.
Irrelevant, we're talking about his face not his arms.
What, I'm not allowed to use examples in a debate?
As well as using Rasengan, summoning Gamabunta and warping the entire Kyubi.
Which all wastes chakra.
Snake Slithering is when Orochimaru slithers around as a snake isn't it? Well now that Orochimaru is charging right at Minato, Minato warps him away.
No. Snake Slithering is when Orochimaru summons a horde of snakes I believe.
Note that I'm focusing on Orochimaru's face getting Rasengan'd off multiple times, not Orochimaru living to perform an attack on a tired Minato.
Minato can only use a Rasengan at a time. The more he uses a Rasengan, the more chakra he wastes, and the more duriation of time Minato needs to perform another Rasengan.
It's not a huge deal, warping that sword.
But it's a huge deal when he wastes chakra.
It's not like a tailed beast ball which by the way Minato warped without showing any sign of fatigue.
Because of his massive chakra reserves. One warp won't give him fatigue, but many will.
Minato's still there though it's not just Orochimaru vs. Gamabunta. Besides, Orochimaru has Manda to deal with Gamabunta should the situation ever arise.
Good point. But he doesn't even need Manga to deal with Gamabunta.
..I don't get where you're getting this from.
Chapter 462 I believe, but you have to get to the right manga site. Most sources actually say that A has light speed reflexes, although those translations are by sleepyfans which is known for inaccuracies.
Yeah, good point. That's one of the reasons why I screwed up on one debate I had against Devil's Lawyer.
And it's not just that comment. He's nicknamed the Yellow Flash for a reason, Tobi and others commented on his speed.
Correct. Orochimaru hasn't shown impressive speed feats necessary to keep up with Minato.

P.S: Happy New Year!

[Kuromaki]

Due to his impressive durability feats, a Rasengan to the face won't kill him.Except for the fact that Rasengan deals major internal damage and if he's still able to use Oral Rebirth somehow, it takes a lot of his chakra while Rasengan doesn't.
What, I'm not allowed to use examples in a debate?It has nothing to do with Orochimaru being able to use Oral Rebirth after getting his face pounded by a Rasengan. His mouth is needed to use Oral Rebirth not his arms.
Which all wastes chakra. He won't even have to do a wide scale warp for any of Oro's attacks except for snake spam and Kusanagi. And it's not like he was unable to move or anything even after warping the Kyubi.
No. Snake Slithering is when Orochimaru summons a horde of snakes I believe.That's Myriad Snake Net Formation or something along those lines
Minato can only use a Rasengan at a time. The more he uses a Rasengan, the more chakra he wastes, and the more duriation of time Minato needs to perform another Rasengan.And you got this where? Minato has shown the chakra reserves to perform multiple Rasengans, enough to defeat Orochimaru if one can't do the job. He can create Rasengan in his hand almost instantly and do a Rasengan right out of Flying Thunder God.
But it's a huge deal when he wastes chakra.You're acting like using one jutsu will immediately drain all of Minato's chakra and leave him unable to fight.
Because of his massive chakra reserves. One warp won't give him fatigue, but many will.He's not going to need multiple warps unless he decides to warp the snakes too. Once the sword is warped, it's warped. Once Orochimaru is warped, he's warped.
Good point. But he doesn't even need Manga to deal with Gamabunta. Yeah, Kusanagi swipe but Gamabunta is a formidable summon.

I'm open to the idea of Orochimaru winning, I mean the only things that will really do any harm are Rasengan, and Space Time Barrier, and it depends if Minato is even fast enough to do those to Orochimaru. Death Reaper Seal too but that kills Minato.

Happy New Year to you too.

[Slack 40]

Remember Minato's rasengan is no where near the same power of naruto's or Jiraiyas. Also i don't think a normal rasengan causes that much internal damage.

Manda can tank anything minato throws at him, including gama.
Why? because if you look back to Sasuke vs Deidara when Deidara uses C0 sasuke hid in manda. After the blast manda's skin was still intact, damaged and burnt, but still intact meaning manda has enough power to not be blow to bits by an explosion as big and powerful as C0.
and C0>anything minato has.

[supersaiyan146]

In any case, Minato needs prep for his Hiraishin, to be able set them all around the area so he can teleport to them. Otherwise, he's going to have to throw one or two kunai at a time, whicj Oro can easily deflect.

He can't win. Minato is hyped because of his immense speed. But he needs prep to be able to use it. Which he doesn't have here.

What do U mean by "Deflecting" the kunai?
Minato can teleport to within a certain radius of the kunai and how far is the kunai gonna get deflected?

Orochimaru=Legendary Snake Sannin.
Minato=Failed father, and a fodder in this match.

Do the math.

I sense hate....

No, Orochimaru isn't capable of blitzing. He has shown very little to no speed feats, necessary for a speedblitz.

However, due to his durability, Orochimaru should be able to tank any attack Minato throws at him. Even if Minato manages to harm Orochimaru, Orochimaru will use Oral Rebirth to heal any of his injuries.

Due to none of his Jutsus working on Orochimaru, Orochimaru summons Manda to finish the job.

Manda gets countered by Bunta....

One hit with a Rasengan + a hirashin tag is all thats needed....

How many times can Orochimaru use Oral Rebirth?

[tyrell4life194]

Except for the fact that Rasengan deals major internal damage and if he's still able to use Oral Rebirth somehow, it takes a lot of his chakra while Rasengan doesn't.
Correct. But there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan does the same damage as Naruto's or Jiraiya's Rasengans. Also, there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan will add more force to Orochimaru's face. Remember, Force=(mass)(acceleration). The more acceleration Minato has, the more Force he will add to his Rasengan.
It has nothing to do with Orochimaru being able to use Oral Rebirth after getting his face pounded by a Rasengan. His mouth is needed to use Oral Rebirth not his arms.
Our bodies contain up to 206 bones. These bones are strong enough to support our own body weight. You see, bones are 5 times harder than steel, because while hydroxyapatite has a mohs hardness, of, about 5, calcium hardens the material, making bone harder up to the moh scale, of I should say, 6.5 to 7, while steel is 5.5 to 6. This would mean that bones are 2 to 5 times harder, but they are extremely britter and would break easily. You could make up for the brittleness by doing martial arts, which will make your bones thicker, and less prone to breaking. Since Orochimaru has been trained as a shinobi constantly, the probability of his bones breaking are low, unless an extremely powerful Jutus manages to break his bones, such as the Rasengan. But as I've stated before, there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan does the same damage as Naruto's or Jiraiya's Rasengan.
He won't even have to do a wide scale warp for any of Oro's attacks except for snake spam and Kusanagi. And it's not like he was unable to move or anything even after warping the Kyubi.
As I've stated before, it is because of his massive chakra reserves. Most, if not all of his Jutsus are either A-Ranked or S-Ranked, depending on how much chakra each Jutsu consumes, and how much damage each Jutsu does on the human body.
That's Myriad Snake Net Formation or something along those lines
And you got this where? Minato has shown the chakra reserves to perform multiple Rasengans, enough to defeat Orochimaru if one can't do the job. He can create Rasengan in his hand almost instantly and do a Rasengan right out of Flying Thunder God.
I will say this once more. A Rasengan requies a high density of chakra. It will take a longer duriation of time, everytime Minato creates a Rasengan.
You're acting like using one jutsu will immediately drain all of Minato's chakra and leave him unable to fight.
No, I'm not. You are misreading my comments. I said that it depends on how much chakra Minato molds in his palm to create the Rasengan. Also, it depends on how much Force Minato applies onto Orochimaru's body. While he can create multiple Rasengans at once, due to the density of the chakra within the Rasengan, there will be a longer duriation of time, everytime Minato creates a Rasengan.
He's not going to need multiple warps unless he decides to warp the snakes too. Once the sword is warped, it's warped. Once Orochimaru is warped, he's warped.
Correct. Besides, it depends on how much chakra Minato has, and how many times Minato can warp an object away.
Yeah, Kusanagi swipe but Gamabunta is a formidable summon.
Yeah, too bad Gamabunta won't survive getting stabbed by the Sword of Kusanagi. If the Sword of Kusanagi won't finish him off, then Orochimaru will simply summon Manda to finish the job.

I'm open to the idea of Orochimaru winning, I mean the only things that will really do any harm are Rasengan, and Space Time Barrier, and it depends if Minato is even fast enough to do those to Orochimaru. Death Reaper Seal too but that kills Minato.
Yeah, you make a good point.

Happy New Year to you too.
:D Thank you.

[supersaiyan146]

Correct. But there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan does the same damage as Naruto's or Jiraiya's Rasengans.

MInato's Rasengan is larger than ur averaged sized one that Naruto uses....He crushed Madara's arm with it...So its on Par with their's or better...

[tyrell4life194]

Hmm, but it also depends on how much force Minato applies onto his victims.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

The bigger the rasengan the more powerful usually.

[supersaiyan146]

Hmm, but it also depends on how much force Minato applies onto his victims.

What do U mean by force...He's faster than Naruto and Jiraiya...It would obviously mean more force...

No matter how we look at it...Minato's rasengan's effect>= That of the guys U mentioned....

[J-Sun Tasogare]

What do U mean by force...He's faster than Naruto and Jiraiya...It would obviously mean more force...

No matter how we look at it...Minato's rasengan's effect>= That of the guys U mentioned....

He's not faster than Naruto or Jiraiya.

[tyrell4life194]

What do U mean by force...He's faster than Naruto and Jiraiya...It would obviously mean more force...

No matter how we look at it...Minato's rasengan's effect>= That of the guys U mentioned....
Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). The more speed Minato has, the more Force Minato applies the Rasengan onto Orochimaru.

The bigger the rasengan the more powerful usually.
It also depends on force. Remember, Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). Also, it depends on how strong bones are.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). The more speed Minato has, the more Force Minato applies the Rasengan onto Orochimaru.


It also depends on force. Remember, Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). Also, it depends on how strong bones are.

Yes the speed of which he heads towards his opponent matters. But it should be at least equal to Naruto's and Jiraiya's regardless.

[tyrell4life194]

Why is that? We all know that Jiraiya and Naruto have multiple variations of the Rasengan If you're talking about the regular Rasengan, then you're right.

[supersaiyan146]

He's not faster than Naruto or Jiraiya.

Are U serious?

[supersaiyan146]

Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). The more speed Minato has, the more Force Minato applies the Rasengan onto Orochimaru.


It also depends on force. Remember, Force=(Mass)(Acceleration). Also, it depends on how strong bones are.

I know F= m*a...thats why I commented on the speed...

U haved anything to compare Bone strengths of characters in question?

[tyrell4life194]

Yeah, he is.

Naruto managed to speedblitz Asura, as well as react to Deva's speed.

Jiraiya managed to keep up with Pain's Paths also. By Hype? Minato is just as fast as A. By feats? Hell no.

[tyrell4life194]

What do U mean by force...He's faster than Naruto and Jiraiya...It would obviously mean more force...

No matter how we look at it...Minato's rasengan's effect>= That of the guys U mentioned....

The bigger the rasengan the more powerful usually.

I know F= m*a...thats why I commented on the speed...

U haved anything to compare Bone strengths of characters in question?
Yeah, I do. Read the entire argument me and Kuromaki made.

[supersaiyan146]

Yeah, he is.

Naruto managed to speedblitz Asura, as well as react to Deva's speed.

Jiraiya managed to keep up with Pain's Paths also. By Hype? Minato is just as fast as A. By feats? Hell no.

I was talking abt Base Naruto and Jiraiya...

Yeah U are right...all we have is hype....

[supersaiyan146]

Yeah, I do. Read the entire argument me and Kuromaki made.

Link plz...

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Are U serious?

Yup Minato has shown nothing to compare to either of them, especially in SM. Though he's not slow.

[tyrell4life194]

Link plz...
It's on the same thread.
Yup Minato has shown nothing to compare to either of them, especially in SM. Though he's not slow.
Correct.

[supersaiyan146]

It's unlikely that Orochimaru will tank the Rasengan. Apart from being an A-Ranked Jutsu, it also does internal damage to the body, as well as destroying blood vessels, organs, and muscle tissue. If Orochimaru is harmed, he will use the Oral Rebirth to heal all of his injuries, caused by Minato's Rasengan.

What is this supposed to mean?

[tyrell4life194]

Read the whole thread before you ask.

[supersaiyan146]

Read the whole thread before you ask.

I haven't seen any mention of Bone strength....

Orochimaru is a good tanker ..I agree....But how much can he tank?

Can he tank a barrage of Rasengans from Minato?

Its not like Minato has low chakra reserves...He has crap loads of it....

The moment Orochimaru gets tagged its virtually over from him....

[J-Sun Tasogare]

I haven't seen any mention of Bone strength....

Orochimaru is a good tanker ..I agree....But how much can he tank?

Can he tank a barrage of Rasengans from Minato?

Its not like Minato has low chakra reserves...He has crap loads of it....

The moment Orochimaru gets tagged its virtually over from him....
Orochimaru used Oral Rebirth several times and it's supposed to take loads of chakra, he did this while sick against 4tk. It doesn't matter what he gets hit with, he sheds his skin and goes right back at it. Also Manda could easily cause trouble for Minato as well as sea of snakes and other snakes summons.

[tyrell4life194]

Dude, really? The mention of bone strength, is right on top of this page, in red.

Quite a few Rasengans, depending on the force that Minato applies to the Jutsu, and depending on how much chakra Minato molds into his palm, to form the Rasengan.

Well, there is no guarantee he can tank a barrage of Rasengans from Minato. However, there is no guarantee that Minato has enough chakra to create a barrage of Rasengans to begin with. Likewise, Minato has immense chakra reserves, and will most likely seriously harm Orochimaru to the point of Submission.

Oh, we all know that. He had enough chakra to warp Kyuubi's Beast Tailed Ball out of Konohagakure no Sato.

Not really.

[supersaiyan146]

Orochimaru used Oral Rebirth several times and it's supposed to take loads of chakra, he did this while sick against 4tk. It doesn't matter what he gets hit with, he sheds his skin and goes right back at it. Also Manda could easily cause trouble for Minato as well as sea of snakes and other snakes summons.

Yeah thats what I'm referring to..It takes tons of chakra..and can't use it infinitely many times...

WHy are U counting Bunta out of this...He can take care of Manda...

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Yeah thats what I'm referring to..It takes tons of chakra..and can't use it infinitely many times...

WHy are U counting Bunta out of this...He can take care of Manda...

Bunte almost was killed by Manda in the Sannin fight, he won't have Tsunade interrupting this time.

[supersaiyan146]

Dude, really? The mention of bone strength, is right on top of this page, in red.

Quite a few Rasengans, depending on the force that Minato applies to the Jutsu, and depending on how much chakra Minato molds into his palm, to form the Rasengan.

Well, there is no guarantee he can tank a barrage of Rasengans from Minato. However, there is no guarantee that Minato has enough chakra to create a barrage of Rasengans to begin with. Likewise, Minato has immense chakra reserves, and will most likely seriously harm Orochimaru to the point of Submission.

Oh, we all know that. He had enough chakra to warp Kyuubi's Beast Tailed Ball out of Konohagakure no Sato.

Not really.

Sry...I might have missed it....

MInato's rasengan was able to crush Madara's arm...I highly doubt he would have survived if it hit any vital part...

With immense chakra reserves can't he?

He did a lot more than that during his fight against Madara...

[Kuromaki]

Correct. But there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan does the same damage as Naruto's or Jiraiya's Rasengans. Also, there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan will add more force to Orochimaru's face. Remember, Force=(mass)(acceleration). The more acceleration Minato has, the more Force he will add to his Rasengan.Minato's Rasengan is bigger than the usual. Therefore it's bound to have more power unless you're talking about the Super Rasengans which aren't even regular Rasengans.

Why do we even need to argue force, it's not like Minato Rasengan will lightly graze Oro's face if he lands a hit.
Since Orochimaru has been trained as a shinobi constantly, the probability of his bones breaking are low, unless an extremely powerful Jutus manages to break his bones, such as the Rasengan. But as I've stated before, there is no guarantee that Minato's Rasengan does the same damage as Naruto's or Jiraiya's Rasengan.Okay not gonna quote the bones part, but once again that has nothing to do with the arms, it was Death Reaper Seal that took his arms, and even if he does Oral Rebirth, Minato places a seal and hits him once he tries to get out again.
I will say this once more. A Rasengan requies a high density of chakra. It will take a longer duriation of time, everytime Minato creates a Rasengan.No that doesn't prove anything. Rasengan is Rasengan and it won't somehow slow down.

No, I'm not. You are misreading my comments. I said that it depends on how much chakra Minato molds in his palm to create the Rasengan. Also, it depends on how much Force Minato applies onto Orochimaru's body. While he can create multiple Rasengans at once, due to the density of the chakra within the Rasengan, there will be a longer duriation of time, everytime Minato creates a Rasengan.Well Minato's not going to use a tailed beast sized Rasengan.

And forget Rasengan, Space Time Barrier on Orochimaru and he's gone.

[tyrell4life194]

Minato's Rasengan is bigger than the usual. Therefore it's bound to have more power unless you're talking about the Super Rasengans which aren't even regular Rasengans.
Oh, no. I'm not going THAT far.
Why do we even need to argue force, it's not like Minato Rasengan will lightly graze Oro's face if he lands a hit.
Well, since we're going by Hype, Minato's speed should be around A's. Minato's force applied to Orochimaru's ugly face, will have more force than when KN3 speedblitzed Orochimaru.
Okay not gonna quote the bones part, but once again that has nothing to do with the arms, it was Death Reaper Seal that took his arms, and even if he does Oral Rebirth, Minato places a seal and hits him once he tries to get out again.
I'm just stating how strong the bones are.
No that doesn't prove anything. Rasengan is Rasengan and it won't somehow slow down.
Well, Rasengan is made up of highly dense chakra. Minato won't suffer fatigue after using the Rasengan a few times, but he will become exhausted after using the Rasengan a multitude of times.
Well Minato's not going to use a tailed beast sized Rasengan.
I never said anything about Minato using a Tailed Beast sized Rasengan. Besides, he wouldn't need to waste all of his chakra for that.
And forget Rasengan, Space Time Barrier on Orochimaru and he's gone.
Correct. And, this was a great debate. Thanks for the debate Kuromaki. You won.