Killer bee vs Itachi

[Kill3r_B-st]

location: where KB fought sasuke

Distance: 100 meters

state of mind: bloodlusted

Full knowledge on both sides

restrictions: itachi is not immmortal

both start in base forms

[tyrell4life194]

Itachi wins this. Bee won't be doing any speedblitzing, since it's already been proven that Itachi's faster than Sasuke. Also, Kisame said that Itachi was the stronger than the two, and Kisame whupped Bee's ass. Thirdly, Itachi can use Amaterasu and roasts Bee like a turkey.

[[Shikamaru]]

Itachi wins this. Bee won't be doing any speedblitzing, since it's already been proven that Itachi's faster than Sasuke. Also, Kisame said that Itachi was the stronger than the two, and Kisame whupped Bee's ass. Thirdly, Itachi can use Amaterasu and roasts Bee like a turkey.
Kisame has not shown KB speed on physical ground, only in the dome.

However, Itachi would either mind rape KB with Genjutsu then incinerate him.

Or simply Amy him at start, as he has not shown A's reaction feats in base. A was the only to dodge.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Bee wins this. Genjutsu does not work on him due to his control of his beast. He completely shrugged off Sasuke tsukiyomi.

[[Shikamaru]]

Bee wins this. Genjutsu does not work on him due to his control of his beast. He completely shrugged off Sasuke tsukiyomi.
There was quite a lapse in time when Bee was under Genjutsu. Easy 3 seconds to great fire ball his body. Aside from the fact Bee knew he was under genjutsu, Itachi is much more skilled than Sasuke. He can easily deceive KB into thinking he's not under genjutsu. In which case he won't break himself out.

In any case, he can't dodge Amy anyway.

Nor Susano for that matter.

[tyrell4life194]

Bee wins this. Genjutsu does not work on him due to his control of his beast. He completely shrugged off Sasuke tsukiyomi.
Unless you give me a scan of Bee dodging an Ammy, he isn't beating Itachi.

[Kuromaki]

Ever stopped to consider that Bee most likely won't stay in base form because of bloodlust and full knowledge? He showed the same speed as A when he did Double Lariat, and in V2 he presumably gets even faster. Amaterasu isn't even instant in long range it's been stated as a short range Jutsu.

About genjutsu, Bee can stay on the alert this time, and keep his beast active, unlike last time when he wasn't expecting a genjutsu. He also fell on the ground to trick Sasuke, so genjutsu probably doesn't hinder him that much.

Susanoo works best if Bee goes in to attack it or decides to turn into full oxtopus while he's right next to it, in which case Itachi could slam him with the sword. But in this case he knows all about it and he can run away from it, write some raps while Itachi tries in vain to hit him with the sword.

And don't give me crap about that Itachi lightning bolt reaction speed because he had plenty of time to anticipate it. It could be that Susanoo luckily activated for him at that moment, but it's obvious that he was waiting and preparing for something, since he was staring up at the sky and all while Sasuke was ranting about how it would be an unavoidable attack. Hmm I wonder what Itachi would do if someone told him he would get hit by an attack he couldn't dodge.

[tyrell4life194]

Ever stopped to consider that Bee most likely won't stay in base form because of bloodlust and full knowledge? He showed the same speed as A when he did Double Lariat, and in V2 he presumably gets even faster. Amaterasu isn't even instant in long range it's been stated as a short range Jutsu.

About genjutsu, Bee can stay on the alert this time, and keep his beast active, unlike last time when he wasn't expecting a genjutsu. He also fell on the ground to trick Sasuke, so genjutsu probably doesn't hinder him that much.

Susanoo works best if Bee goes in to attack it or decides to turn into full oxtopus while he's right next to it, in which case Itachi could slam him with the sword. But in this case he knows all about it and he can run away from it, write some raps while Itachi tries in vain to hit him with the sword.

And don't give me crap about that Itachi lightning bolt reaction speed because he had plenty of time to anticipate it. It could be that Susanoo luckily activated for him at that moment, but it's obvious that he was waiting and preparing for something, since he was staring up at the sky and all while Sasuke was ranting about how it would be an unavoidable attack. Hmm I wonder what Itachi would do if someone told him he would get hit by an attack he couldn't dodge.

Fail. Itachi speedblitzed Sasuke who held his own against Raikage, who is easily Supersonic. Itachi's speed>>>Sasuke's speed. Also, Itachi demonstrated lightning reaction speed, so KB will be doing no blitzing.

Fail again. I would LOVE to see proof from the Manga that Bee can survive Ammy. Full Hachibi couldn't handle Sasuke's Ammy, so how can you be so sure that he can handle Itachi's Ammy? I would LOVE to know please.

Also incorrect. Itachi doesn't need the Susano'o. Its attacks are way too slow, and there is no proof from the Manga that it could take a Menacing Ball.

FAIL. The user can summon the Susano'o after they used the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Itachi reacted to the Kirin by summoning the Susano'o before Kirin slammed down onto him. Even Itachi said that if it weren't for the Susano'o, he would've died. Next time, pay more attention to the Manga.

[Kuromaki]

Fail. Itachi speedblitzed Sasuke who held his own against Raikage, who is easily Supersonic. Itachi's speed>>>Sasuke's speed. Also, Itachi demonstrated lightning reaction speed, so KB will be doing no blitzing.

Fail again. I would LOVE to see proof from the Manga that Bee can survive Ammy. Full Hachibi couldn't handle Sasuke's Ammy, so how can you be so sure that he can handle Itachi's Ammy? I would LOVE to know please.

Also incorrect. Itachi doesn't need the Susano'o. Its attacks are way too slow, and there is no proof from the Manga that it could take a Menacing Ball.

FAIL. The user can summon the Susano'o after they used the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Itachi reacted to the Kirin by summoning the Susano'o before Kirin slammed down onto him. Even Itachi said that if it weren't for the Susano'o, he would've died. Next time, pay more attention to the Manga.
You don't have to tell someone FAIL every time they go against your opinion. But okay have it your way, eventually that's going to get you in trouble.

I never said Bee can blitz Itachi, and Sasuke barely held his own against A. He dodged an elbow while A was charging straight towards him, whoopdeedoo. The rest of the fight, A stomped Sasuke. I would also like to know when Itachi blitzed Sasuke. I won't deny that Itachi is faster than Sasuke, but beating him before he can do a single thing is something else.

What did that paragraph have to do with Ammy? It was about genjutsu, and Bee might not even be able to do what I described so I'm still willing to admit that Itachi has a chance.

None of that countered what I said. If you were to read the manga you would see Itachi staring at the sky in anticipation while listening to Sasuke rant about Kirin. He had plenty of time to prepare for it.

[[Shikamaru]]

Can't believe this is an actual debate.

Sasuke reacted to Bee's fastest blitz.

Itachi is said to be faster than Sasuke.

If Itachi landed an Amy on Sasuke, there is absolutely no way he couldn't on base KB.

Initiating cloak involves concentrating chakra and prep time. He has none of this.

Itachi could likely hit Bee with Amy as he's evading.

Staring at the sky doesn't mean he didn't react to the lightning bolt's timing. He initiated the Susano just at the right time, meaning he has near lightning bolt reaction speed. The fact that he required Susano to tank it means nothing, he activated right as it struck.

Hell, Sasuke landed an MS genjutsu while Bee was blitzing in cloak, how easy is it for Itachi to land amy on bee in base.

Aside from that, Itachi's reaction, eye speed and movement speed exceeds Sasukes. Meaning, of course, his Amy is more accurate and faster. No dodge for KB in base, probably not in cloak either.

[Kuromaki]

3 Tails is far from his fastest blitz and his tailed cloak doesn't take much prep time, especially if he's serious. No Itachi will not be landing an Ammy from 100m away, and he still has to activate Sharingan and then Mangekyo Sharingan. It's not ammy the instant the fight starts.

Actually scratch what I said earlier, Itachi wasn't looking at the sky that time but he still knew about it and looked like he was waiting for something to happen. It also took a while for Susanoo to reform which shows that it does need prep time, which Itachi could have used to his advantage.

I'm still not convinced but whatever, if Itachi has lightning reaction speed then fine, Bee still has menacing ball which can land him the win if used at a safe distance form Ammy range, but that's all he can do.

[[Shikamaru]]

3 Tails is far from his fastest blitz and his tailed cloak doesn't take much prep time, especially if he's serious. No Itachi will not be landing an Ammy from 100m away, and he still has to activate Sharingan and then Mangekyo Sharingan. It's not ammy the instant the fight starts.

Actually scratch what I said earlier, Itachi wasn't looking at the sky that time but he still knew about it and looked like he was waiting for something to happen. It also took a while for Susanoo to reform which shows that it does need prep time, which Itachi could have used to his advantage.

I'm still not convinced but whatever, if Itachi has lightning reaction speed then fine, Bee still has menacing ball which can land him the win if used at a safe distance form Ammy range, but that's all he can do.
I fail to see how Bee has time to enter 8 tails. Even if he does, Itachi can reach him and amy before he transforms. Not sure how he's having time to transform with a man who's considered above supersonic speed chasing after him with near undodgable flames. That means he can travel hundreds of meters within a second.

Fail at Bee having any prep time against someone superior to Sasuke.

[Kuromaki]

Killer Bee has been calculated at supersonic speeds too. Just don't know where to find the calc but you can google or use powerscaling. :P Anyway no one is blitzing anyone in this match, and Ammy is unlikely to catch someone with Bee speed at the distance. Close range yeah sure.

And ammy isn't totally unavoidable, A proved that wrong and his speed is comparable to Bee's in a tailed cloak.

You probably forgot how it takes just a moment for Bee to activate his any of his cloaks. in that state he can already start avoiding.

[[Shikamaru]]

Killer Bee has been calculated at supersonic speeds too. Just don't know where to find the calc but you can google or use powerscaling. :P Anyway no one is blitzing anyone in this match, and Ammy is unlikely to catch someone with Bee speed at the distance. Close range yeah sure.

You probably forgot how it takes just a moment for Bee to activate his any of his cloaks. in that state he can already start avoiding.
You're telling me a supersonic ninja cannot travel 100 meters and initiate a near instant jutsu before Killer Bee can cloak, which he could then probably not counter anyway since Sasuke had equal speed feats, and he was easily accurately hit with Amy by Itachi.

Itachi is above supersonic speed, if KB=Sasuke, and Itachi clearly outranks Sasuke in all aspects, then Bee loses.

Supersonic ninja should be able to run at least 200 meters in a second.

Bee is not initiating cloak in a second, nor will he be able to counter Amy if he did anyway.

[Kuromaki]

;4423463']You're telling me a supersonic ninja cannot travel 100 meters and initiate a near instant jutsu before Killer Bee can cloak, which he could then probably not counter anyway since Sasuke had equal speed feats, and he was easily accurately hit with Amy by Itachi.

Itachi is above supersonic speed, if KB=Sasuke, and Itachi clearly outranks Sasuke in all aspects, then Bee loses.
I would like the calc of Itachi moving 343m in a sec. Otherwise that supersonic stuff is bull and all you can do to back it up is powerscaling and speed comparison. And going by those Itachi will not blitz.

Itachi activates Sharingan, he then activates Mangekyo and starts moving to Bee. By that time Bee will have whee'd and activated his tailed beast cloak.

[[Shikamaru]]

I would like the calc of Itachi moving 343m in a sec. Otherwise that supersonic stuff is bull and all you can do to back it up is powerscaling and speed comparison. And going by those Itachi will not blitz.

Itachi activates Sharingan, he then activates Mangekyo and starts moving to Bee. By that time Bee will have whee'd and activated his tailed beast cloak.
Are you series? He reacted to a lightning bolt, exchanged shuriken speed equal to sasuke, and Amy'd him with ease from afar. The reason he didn't blitz him was because he didn't want to kill him. He was obviously much faster than what he was willing to show.

Itachi can run while activating Sharingan. Hence multi-tasking.

Bee has never activated cloak within a second. That's completely wrong.

I don't need to show you a feat of him running that quickly, he reacted faster than another character whom is that fast. Hence, him being faster.

Doesn't matter anyway, Itachi Amy'd Sasuke. So he can Amy Cloaked KB.

[Vivi]

;4423536']Are you series? He reacted to a lightning bolt,

Oh really?
And you know that how?
"This Jutsu's Power source is Lightning from Heaven itself.All I have to do is guide it straight through your skull"

Itachi would have been a Fool NOT to put up Susanoo beforehand.

Nice try though.

[Kuromaki]

;4423536']Are you series? He reacted to a lightning bolt, exchanged shuriken speed equal to sasuke, and Amy'd him with ease from afar. The reason he didn't blitz him was because he didn't want to kill him. He was obviously much faster than what he was willing to show.

Itachi can run while activating Sharingan. Hence multi-tasking.

Bee has never activated cloak within a second. That's completely wrong.

I don't need to show you a feat of him running that quickly, he reacted faster than another character whom is that fast. Hence, him being faster.

Doesn't matter anyway, Itachi Amy'd Sasuke. So he can Amy Cloaked KB.
Reaction speed does not translate to running speed, so whatever impact that so called lightning bolt reaction feat had doesn't matter when it comes to blitzing. It does help him with straight up taijutsu though.

Bee activated the cloak in a panel. It may not be a second but hey Amaterasu isn't either, since his eye bleeds and all that. This was done twice if my memory of the Kisame fight serves right. The panels in the Sasuke fight was just to show off how it was formed.

There is nothing stopping Killer Bee from activating it while running either. This is just going by the assumption that Itachi can blitz, which he obviously can't, and that Killer Bee will stand there like an idiot despite having full knowledge and being bloodlusted. However I won't deny that itachi is faster than base form bee.

[tyrell4life194]

You don't have to tell someone FAIL every time they go against your opinion. But okay have it your way, eventually that's going to get you in trouble.

I never said Bee can blitz Itachi, and Sasuke barely held his own against A. He dodged an elbow while A was charging straight towards him, whoopdeedoo. The rest of the fight, A stomped Sasuke. I would also like to know when Itachi blitzed Sasuke. I won't deny that Itachi is faster than Sasuke, but beating him before he can do a single thing is something else.

What did that paragraph have to do with Ammy? It was about genjutsu, and Bee might not even be able to do what I described so I'm still willing to admit that Itachi has a chance.

None of that countered what I said. If you were to read the manga you would see Itachi staring at the sky in anticipation while listening to Sasuke rant about Kirin. He had plenty of time to prepare for it.
It hasn't gotten me into trouble yet, so don't even start that crap with me Kuro.

I know you didn't. Stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say. A didn't completely stomped Sasuke. Sasuke countered most of A's attacks, and A lost his arm during the fight. Also, this is a Killer Bee vs Itachi thread, not A vs Sasuke thread. Besides, what does A's speed have to do with anything? Bee is just as fast as A maybe in 6-7 Tailed Form at best.

Well, Killer Bee stated in the Manga that Mind Controll, and/or Genjutsu won't work on a Jincuuriki who has controlled their tailed beast.

And yet he didn't, until Sasuke used the Kirin on Itachi. Itachi reacted to the Kirin just after Sasuke used the Jutsu on Itachi, and Itachi prepared the Susano'o to block the Kirin before it could do some massive damage.

Chapter 391 Page 15
Chapter 391 Page 16
Chapter 391 Page 22
Chapter 391 Page 23.

On Page 15, Itachi didn't react to the Kirin, until the last second.
On Page 22, you can see Itachi forming the Susano'o with only its bones form, proving his reaction speed, and the Susano'o durability.

[tyrell4life194]

Reaction speed does not translate to running speed, so whatever impact that so called lightning bolt reaction feat had doesn't matter when it comes to blitzing. It does help him with straight up taijutsu though.

Bee activated the cloak in a panel. It may not be a second but hey Amaterasu isn't either, since his eye bleeds and all that. This was done twice if my memory of the Kisame fight serves right. The panels in the Sasuke fight was just to show off how it was formed.

There is nothing stopping Killer Bee from activating it while running either. This is just going by the assumption that Itachi can blitz, which he obviously can't, and that Killer Bee will stand there like an idiot despite having full knowledge and being bloodlusted. However I won't deny that itachi is faster than base form bee.
Wrong again. Speedblitzing is a mixture of Attack and running speed. Itachi can react or even dodge a speedbiltz. Besides, Bee won't be doing any blitzing. Itachi is easily faster than Sasuke who is proven Supersonic countless of times.

Full Hachibi couldn't handle Sasuke's Ammy. How can you be so sure that Hachibi can handle Itachi's Ammy? I would love to know please.

[Kuromaki]

It hasn't gotten me into trouble yet, so don't even start that crap with me Kuro.

I know you didn't. Stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't even say. A didn't completely stomped Sasuke. Sasuke countered most of A's attacks, and A lost his arm during the fight. Also, this is a Killer Bee vs Itachi thread, not A vs Sasuke thread. Besides, what does A's speed have to do with anything? Bee is just as fast as A maybe in 6-7 Tailed Form at best.

Well, Killer Bee stated in the Manga that Mind Controll, and/or Genjutsu won't work on a Jincuuriki who has controlled their tailed beast.

And yet he didn't, until Sasuke used the Kirin on Itachi. Itachi reacted to the Kirin just after Sasuke used the Jutsu on Itachi, and Itachi prepared the Susano'o to block the Kirin before it could do some massive damage.

Chapter 391 Page 15
Chapter 391 Page 16
Chapter 391 Page 22
Chapter 391 Page 23.

On Page 15, Itachi didn't react to the Kirin, until the last second.
On Page 22, you can see Itachi forming the Susano'o with only its bones form, proving his reaction speed, and the Susano'o durability.
Actually I've been lenient with the stuff you've done in other threads. Most of the time it's not enough to warrant an infraction but you shouldn't keep pushing your luck.

Sasuke only countered the elbow because of Sharingan and the rest was because he had Susanoo armor on him. Hell I forgot why we even started debating A speed.

It's also been shown that his Susanoo takes some panels to set up. He could very well have prepared for it while waiting for Kirin to shoot. Like Vivi said why would he not prepare for it. It's funny how no one calls this plot.
Wrong again. Speedblitzing is a mixture of Attack and running speed. Itachi can react or even dodge a speedbiltz. Besides, Bee won't be doing any blitzing. Itachi is easily faster than Sasuke who is proven Supersonic countless of times.

Full Hachibi couldn't handle Sasuke's Ammy. How can you be so sure that Hachibi can handle Itachi's Ammy? I would love to know please.
Speed blitz refers to attacking the other person before they can't react. You don't use your own reaction speed to blitz someone.

He was faking it because he was trying to leave, something which he was trying to do throughout the whole fight.

[tyrell4life194]

Actually I've been lenient with the stuff you've done in other threads. Most of the time it's not enough to warrant an infraction but you shouldn't keep pushing your luck.

Sasuke only countered the elbow because of Sharingan and the rest was because he had Susanoo armor on him. Hell I forgot why we even started debating A speed.

It's also been shown that his Susanoo takes some panels to set up. He could very well have prepared for it while waiting for Kirin to shoot. Like Vivi said why would he not prepare for it. It's funny how no one calls this plot.

Speed blitz refers to attacking the other person before they can't react. You don't use your own reaction speed to blitz someone.

He was faking it because he was trying to leave, something which he was trying to do throughout the whole fight.
Sorry about that. The reason why I was such in a bad mood because of Devil's Lawyer calling me the N word yesterday. And I'm black.

I believe he countered the Elbow when he striked Raikage with a Chidori. Though it's not a great feat, because an Elbow to the face is like 5 miles per hour.

Not exactly. When Sasuke sent Kirin down on Itachi, Itachi only summoned part of the Susano'o, which was durable enough for it to block the Kirin. Vivi is not completely correct either. In the Manga, Itachi did not move to summon the Susano'o right before Sasuke sent the Kirin down on Itachi. And even though it takes a few panels for him to prepare the Susano'o, he only summoned part of the Susano'o, strong enough for him to block the Kirin.

Of course, but Speedblitzing could also be a Mixture of attacking speed and running speed. Running speed because they use their feel and legs for accelerated movement, and attack speed because they are preparing for an attack, using their speed as an advantage.

But why would he fake it? We all know that Sasuke was getting pwned throughout the entire fight. Also, Bee is more skilled in Kenjutsu than Sasuke is. He is able to wield 7 swords, while Sasuke can barely wield 1.

[[Shikamaru]]

Oh really?
And you know that how?
"This Jutsu's Power source is Lightning from Heaven itself.All I have to do is guide it straight through your skull"

Itachi would have been a Fool NOT to put up Susanoo beforehand.

Nice try though.
Are you that dumb?

In order to know exactly when to put up Susano, you must react to the Jutsu.

Correct?

"Nice try though"

I like how you only quoted my first feature, and none of the rest. Classic fail counter.

Itachi roflstomps KB in base.

Do not quote what you see fit, I'd like people to see my entire argument before you spam counter 1 out of my 3 speed features.

Once again, Itachi Amy'd full speed CM sasuke, he should have no issue blitzing and Amying base KB.

[tyrell4life194]

Oh really?
And you know that how?
"This Jutsu's Power source is Lightning from Heaven itself.All I have to do is guide it straight through your skull"

Itachi would have been a Fool NOT to put up Susanoo beforehand.

Nice try though.
Have you tried reading the Manga? OK, here is where you fail.

Itachi didn't put up the Susano'o beforehand. It never happened in the Manga. Itachi never put up the Susano'o before Sasuke released his Kirin onto Itachi. Itachi summoned his Susano'o after Sasuke released his Kirin. The next time you want to assume things of "Itachi putting up the Susano'o beforehand" make sure you read the Manga first.

[Susanoo's Eyes]

just gunna throw this out there but when sasuke threw the kunai with a S**tload of paperbombs didn't itachi just reactivate it the very second before it hit? meaning that it doesn't take a few panels to aka a while to use susanoo?

[Kuromaki]

Sorry about that. The reason why I was such in a bad mood because of Devil's Lawyer calling me the N word yesterday. And I'm black.

I believe he countered the Elbow when he striked Raikage with a Chidori. Though it's not a great feat, because an Elbow to the face is like 5 miles per hour.

Not exactly. When Sasuke sent Kirin down on Itachi, Itachi only summoned part of the Susano'o, which was durable enough for it to block the Kirin. Vivi is not completely correct either. In the Manga, Itachi did not move to summon the Susano'o right before Sasuke sent the Kirin down on Itachi. And even though it takes a few panels for him to prepare the Susano'o, he only summoned part of the Susano'o, strong enough for him to block the Kirin.

Of course, but Speedblitzing could also be a Mixture of attacking speed and running speed. Running speed because they use their feel and legs for accelerated movement, and attack speed because they are preparing for an attack, using their speed as an advantage.

But why would he fake it? We all know that Sasuke was getting pwned throughout the entire fight. Also, Bee is more skilled in Kenjutsu than Sasuke is. He is able to wield 7 swords, while Sasuke can barely wield 1.
You're right it's not.

He either summoned part of it or the bones, because either way it got smashed.

Yeah but it doesn't have to do with reaction speed, unless you're on the receiving end of the blitz.

Bee wanted to escape. He tried to escape more than once in the fight.
just gunna throw this out there but when sasuke threw the kunai with a S**tload of paperbombs didn't itachi just reactivate it the very second before it hit? meaning that it doesn't take a few panels to aka a while to use susanoo?
he already had it out

[tyrell4life194]

Bee didn't had to escape. He was literally kicking Sasuke's ass all over the place.

[Kuromaki]

But he was trying to and they were being tenacious.

[Frost ninja]

;4426565']Are you that dumb?

By Frame of comparison she's brilliant.

In order to know exactly when to put up Susano, you must react to the Jutsu.


Correct?

You may need to rethink this ideal. Lets face it, if I know your about to break into my house I can stand in front of my door with a gun and be prepared. In this case its not so much reacting and pulling a trigger. If there was no time to prep then its reacting.

Saying Itachi reacted to Kirin is kinda like saying Konan reacted to Madara via Moses no jutsu.

"Nice try though"

Same to you. Maybe next time you won't get ran over.

I like how you only quoted my first feature, and none of the rest. Classic fail counter.

Only one thing was more inaccurate than the rest. The rest of them were semi-accurate to some degree.

Itachi roflstomps KB in base.

He won't be in base

Do not quote what you see fit, I'd like people to see my entire argument before you spam counter 1 out of my 3 speed features.

Only one thing was more inaccurate than the rest. The rest of them were semi-accurate to some degree.

Once again, Itachi Amy'd full speed CM sasuke, he should have no issue blitzing and Amying base KB.

He won't be in base or blitzed

in red

[tyrell4life194]

Come on guys. Everyone will be wrong at some point. No need to start an argument. And [Shikamaru] stop this. You know full well that I can pwn your ass into next week, if you start any trouble again.

[Vivi]

;4426565']Are you that dumb?

In order to know exactly when to put up Susano, you must react to the Jutsu.

Correct?

"Nice try though"

I like how you only quoted my first feature, and none of the rest. Classic fail counter.



Thanks for this "Compliment".
Very original thinking right there.



Nope.
Sasuke boasted about his allmighty Jutsu beforehand.
Ask Itachi if he's dumb if he wouldn't defend himself after such an Boast.
"This Jutsu is like Amaterasu...Impossible to avoid"
"It'll be over in an instant"
Are you telling me that, if you'd be Itachi you'd just wait for this "Unavoidable Jutsu" instead of defending beforehand?
THAT my friend is dumb.


Because I was only adressing that Point.Common sense usually see's that.
And who said I need to counter every of your points?
Ever thought about I might think they are right and thus not refer to them?
Think before posting.
Helps alot in the BG.

[321zigzag3]

Come on guys. Everyone will be wrong at some point. No need to start an argument. And [Shikamaru] stop this. You know full well that I can pwn your ass into next week, if you start any trouble again.

You should have seen [Shikamaru] and Dudemeister arguing a year ago.

[tyrell4life194]

What happened?

[321zigzag3]

What happened?

Its much better to ask themselves such as Dudemeister.

[tyrell4life194]

Well, I saw the thread. [Shikamaru] wanked Sasuke to no end, and claimed that Sasuke can solo Itachi and Jiraiya.

[Snake1993]

dont forget that bee kicked sasuke ass. if it wasnt his teamates backing sasuke up, he should be dead by now. and one more thing sasuke used a genjutsu against bee but bee brook out of the genjutsu easily cause of the beast inside him. and then once again bee attacked him. sasuke= dead (twice). And if itachi uses genjutsu against bee he can break his genjutsu.i think bee takes this.

[HidanImmortal]

I think that Killer Bee wins

[Snake1993]

bee takes this. if he could kill sasuke twice. if only he was alone. one more thing bee can break out through genjutsu easily. because of the beast inside him. And the key to fight itachi is to not look into his eyes and just attack him. if bee gets cought in a genjutsu he can break out.

[Invisible Fog]

Itachi wins.

First Itachi uses Genjutsu, and while Bee is trying to get out he uses Ammy.

Remember Itachi reacted to Kirin with Susano'o. Of course in Sasuke vs. Itachi he prepared, but why wouldn't he? He could easily prepare for Bee while he's trapped, if Bee someone magically gets out before Ammy strikes.

[Yori]

What Frog said. Also tone down the cursing please people.

[Invisible Fog]

Don't even start the frog thing again...

[Ultimate combatant]

If Itachi is a zombie, thing is clear.

If it is weakened Itachi, from when he fought Sasuke, then like this...

Killer Bee attacks Itachi. Itachi looks him into eyes: TSUKUYOMI.
Killer Bee is on the floor, Itachi wants to finish him when suddenly...
Rariatto!!! UIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!! :)

Itachi bleeds to death. Or just Killer Bee finishes him.

[tyrell4life194]

Bee has shown no feats of ever countering Genjutsu. While it's stated in the Manga that a Jinchuuriki who has control over their Tailed Beast, it only applies to a mind control Dojutsu. Also, Itachi can simply use Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee and mindrapes him.

[Kuromaki]

Now Itachi could win due to immortality but incapacitation is still an option.
Bee has shown no feats of ever countering Genjutsu. While it's stated in the Manga that a Jinchuuriki who has control over their Tailed Beast, it only applies to a mind control Dojutsu. Also, Itachi can simply use Tsukuyomi on Killer Bee and mindrapes him.
And where was this said?

[Frost ninja]

I haven't really seen any incapasitation feats from Bee per se...
I guess if the Oxtopus sits on him maybe... ://

[Marik Swift]

LMAO this is obvious that Itachi is going to win.
Itachi puts him in Tsukiyomi and it's pretty much done from there considering the fact that Bee wouldn't be able to accest the hachibi's full power because of the Sharingans power(the Uchiha's dark chankra).

[Kuromaki]

Uchihas dark chakra didn't help Sasuke

[Marik Swift]

Uchihas dark chakra didn't help Sasuke
Yea it didn't help Sasuke cause Sasuke doesn't even know how to fully use his sharingan but for somebody like Itachi he will easily over power the hachibi.

[Kuromaki]

Overpowering both of them at once is kinda iffy since they can break each other out, and Sasuke had more hatred. However Itachi's genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's.

In any case, Itachi has his newfound immortality to fall back on. >.<

[Frost ninja]

Overpowering both of them at once is kinda iffy since they can break each other out, and Sasuke had more hatred. However Itachi's genjutsu is stronger than Sasuke's.

In any case, Itachi has his newfound immortality to fall back on. >.<

Frost Ninja wins again :D (jk)

No restrictions and full knowledge...
Does this warrant a TnJ since he'd know exactly what to say?

Its an honest Q.

[tyrell4life194]

Now Itachi could win due to immortality but incapacitation is still an option.

And where was this said?
Damn. Either I forgot that it was on there, I read the wrong chapter, or it simply wasn't on there. My mistake. Ignore the comment.

[tyrell4life194]

Frost Ninja wins again :D (jk)

No restrictions and full knowledge...
Does this warrant a TnJ since he'd know exactly what to say?

Its an honest Q.
Well, if it wasn't stated by the Manga that Killer Bee is immune to Mind Control, it wouldn't matter anyway. Itachi has shown no abilities to use Mind Control. But his Tsukuyomi is another story. Bee literally has no way of breaking through Tsukuyomi.

[Kill3r_B-st]

to make it fair itachi is not immortal but hes not coughing up blood either. hes like he was against sasuke before the *coughcough* blood in hand thing

[tyrell4life194]

Yeah. Which means that Itachi stomps this.

[Midnight789]

Yeah. Which means that Itachi stomps this.


no offense but u r a really bad argue. please read the manga or watch the show. Bee has shown feat to counter the sharigan. what happen when Sasuke tired used it, he got his chest destroyed.

and can u explain to me how u can give someone so much credit when we have not seen him fight someone other than Sasuke. he has not even shown that much technique. all the techniques he has done were the uhicha clan technique meaning anyone with the MS can do it. i think Itachi is given too much credit. i think we will see soon that Kakashi is stronger than Itachi, they will face soon. its destined; like Guy and kisame fights

[Marik Swift]

no offense but u r a really bad argue. please read the manga or watch the show. Bee has shown feat to counter the sharigan. what happen when Sasuke tired used it, he got his chest destroyed.

and can u explain to me how u can give someone so much credit when we have not seen him fight someone other than Sasuke. he has not even shown that much technique. all the techniques he has done were the uhicha clan technique meaning anyone with the MS can do it. i think Itachi is given too much credit. i think we will see soon that Kakashi is stronger than Itachi, they will face soon. its destined; like Guy and kisame fights

This is a dumb statement.
First of all as I stated Itacho's sharingan is WAY more mature than Sasuke so Bee has no chance of countering anything Itachi dishes out.

And you give Itachi credit because he has a jutsu that can burn anything,another that is the ultimate genjutsu and still has Susanoo which no attack can penetrate.Kakashi couldn't beat Itachi even if they both loss there mangekyo's.

[Frost ninja]

To start, don't use such absolutes.
"Still has susanoo which no attack can penetrate" is a bit iffy for obvious reason of there are many verses that could...

"Justu that can burn anything" but Karin tanked with iirc no serious damages.

"The ultimate genjutsu" which iirc is izanagi and itachi hasn't shown feats to use it.

To move past splitting hairs, KB's control over the tailed beast probably gives him immunity considering the beast can redirect the flow of chakra which is necessary for breaking out of a genjutsu. Also he can just go full tails, and you'll need to prove to me Itachi's sharingan is on par with prime madara as thats whats necessary in order to control a tailed beast iirc.

Now problems lie in Itachi's edo abilities. Thats honestly the only issue. KB doesn't have many incapacitation feats, and I don't think he has anything to stop Itachi in edo mode barring a well-placed TnJ since theres no restrictions and full knowledge.

[Kuromaki]

Yeah. Which means that Itachi stomps this.
What he said did not explain how Itachi can stomp.

So you're saying that Tsukuyomi can catch both of them at the same time? This is Bee with full knowledge, he can just avoid Itachi's eyes.

[Midnight789]

This is a dumb statement.
First of all as I stated Itacho's sharingan is WAY more mature than Sasuke so Bee has no chance of countering anything Itachi dishes out.

And you give Itachi credit because he has a jutsu that can burn anything,another that is the ultimate genjutsu and still has Susanoo which no attack can penetrate.Kakashi couldn't beat Itachi even if they both loss there mangekyo's.

actually when Itachi was facing Sasuke, and used his Genjutsu on him, he was testing if he was strong enough to break out. which he did so i think there sharingan level is equal.

[tyrell4life194]

no offense but u r a really bad argue. please read the manga or watch the show. Bee has shown feat to counter the sharigan. what happen when Sasuke tired used it, he got his chest destroyed.

and can u explain to me how u can give someone so much credit when we have not seen him fight someone other than Sasuke. he has not even shown that much technique. all the techniques he has done were the uhicha clan technique meaning anyone with the MS can do it. i think Itachi is given too much credit. i think we will see soon that Kakashi is stronger than Itachi, they will face soon. its destined; like Guy and kisame fights
Incorrect. Sasuke tried using a Genjutsu, but he got his chest destroyed before he could even use it. Also, Itachi's Genjutsu>>>>>>Sasuke's Genjutsu.

He fought Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma. Kakashi stated that Itachi wasn't using even half of his strength. Also, Itachi speedblitzed Sasuke, whom was on par with A. Overall, Itachi is one of the fastest characters in Naruto.

Killer Bee has shown no feats of countering any Genjutsu, let alone the Tsukuyomi, which is one of the most powerful Genjutsu in existence. Once Itachi activates the Tsukuyomi, he will torture Bee for a few moments, even though it seems like weeks. By the time the Genjutsu is over, Bee's mind will collapse, and there is absolutely no chance that Bee will ever fight, ever again.

[tyrell4life194]

What he said did not explain how Itachi can stomp.

So you're saying that Tsukuyomi can catch both of them at the same time? This is Bee with full knowledge, he can just avoid Itachi's eyes.
Don't you read the Manga before you comment? Itachi can cast a Genjutsu by literally pointing at someone. There is no way Bee can avoid a Genjutsu.

[Kuromaki]

Don't you read the Manga before you comment?
Funny how you say that even when you say this:
Killer Bee has shown no feats of countering any Genjutsu
Sasuke used a Tsukuyomiish genjutsu on him and which paralyzed him for only a moment, then he tricked Sasuke by acting like it worked on him when it really didn't. You should be the one rereading your manga honey.
Itachi can cast a Genjutsu by literally pointing at someone. There is no way Bee can avoid a Genjutsu.
Finger genjutsu<<<<<<Tsukuyomi.

[Devil's Lawyer]

This thread should have been over a long time ago. Sasuke used the mangekyo on Bee it was useless. He got smashed. Bee turns full hachibi and use menacing ball fight over.

[tyrell4life194]

Funny how you say that even when you say this:
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Sasuke used a Tsukuyomiish genjutsu on him and which paralyzed him for only a moment, then he tricked Sasuke by acting like it worked on him when it really didn't. You should be the one rereading your manga honey.
Yeah, I just checked the Manga last night. My fault sexy. Carry on then.

Finger genjutsu<<<<<<Tsukuyomi.
Correct.