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Sina
11-24-2010, 09:37 AM
Orochimaru who is he?!... someone without a first name that did horrific things in his labs and when he was sealed away Kabuto started to change his form to Orochimaru...
Orochimaru has the ability to use others corpse so that's easy for him to transform himself to someone else... now I have three Ideas...

1)when Kabuto revived dead people Orochimaru wasn't among them so he might be alive...

2)if Orochimaru is alive he might be in Susanoo's sword and he might be able to get out of it...

3)Orochimaru might have a new body ...Who knows!!!

Tell me what you know ...

HiddenRoar
11-24-2010, 10:29 AM
Oro is alive... go back and read the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight.

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:31 AM
But he was sealed in side the sword

anyway thanks for your sharing your opinion

Bacon
11-24-2010, 10:32 AM
He's probably alive in Kabuto,but Kabuto hasn't drained himself enough for Orochimaru to take over his body.Unless it was anime filler, Kabuto has stated that he is trying to master orochimaru's power before it takes over his body.

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:36 AM
He's probably alive in Kabuto,but Kabuto hasn't drained himself enough for Orochimaru to take over his body.Unless it was anime filler, Kabuto has stated that he is trying to master orochimaru's power before it takes over his body.

Possible but I think He manipulates Kabuto

SilentBlade
11-24-2010, 10:36 AM
The interesting thing will be (I think) when the souls are eventually released from the reapers stomach, the only wild card may be what happens with the part of Orochimaru's soul that the third hokage sealed.

I mean we can assume the first, second, third and fourth will then pass on peacfully to the next world and not be trapped there any longer. The Kyuubi that is trapped there will more than likely be taken in by Naruto and added to his arsenal of power. The only thing that would wander is Orochimaru's soul, and if it found it's way to Kabuto's body, would that be a wild card Kabuto didn't plan for letting Orochimaru take over Kabuto?

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:39 AM
The interesting thing will be (I think) when the souls are eventually released from the reapers stomach, the only wild card may be what happens with the part of Orochimaru's soul that the third hokage sealed.

I mean we can assume the first, second, third and fourth will then pass on peacfully to the next world and not be trapped there any longer. The Kyuubi that is trapped there will more than likely be taken in by Naruto and added to his arsenal of power. The only thing that would wander is Orochimaru's soul, and if it found it's way to Kabuto's body, would that be a wild card Kabuto didn't plan for letting Orochimaru take over Kabuto?

Yeah ... I think when a part of your soul is gone it's gone you can't take it back but Orochy did it and He might be able to remove the seal too and come back...

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:42 AM
A part of Orochimaru has taken control of Kabuto body, but Orochimaru himself is sealed inside Susanoo

Nice thought ... it's completely possible and I think when Susano's sword breaks he will come out

SilentBlade
11-24-2010, 10:43 AM
Well, I mean you know the reaper thing isn't just going to disapear from the series, somthing will prompt it to come back. It has so many powerful souls in it, including part of the Kyuubi. If I recall correctly, I thought even Minato stated that it would only be a temporary fix and the Kyuubi would eventually come back.

This makes me wonder if at some point the Seal is released and the souls are allowed to leave. I mean considering the Kyuubi inside Naruto is literally only half strength too. we would assume at some point we will see full strength, and somthing will happen with Orochimaru's soul thats trapped there, and probably in Susanno (*sp).

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:47 AM
I think they can drag Orochy in again :???: but I don't know they will do this or not!?...anyway removing the seal may cause a lot of trouble.

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:52 AM
I think when Naruto Vs Sasuke ...Orochy appears and they will be forced to cooperate.

Lady Tsunade
11-24-2010, 10:54 AM
Orochimaru can come back in different ways. Part of him has been sealed in Itachis Sword. But his small remains absorbed by Kabuto have grown significantly. He could definitly come back.

SilentBlade
11-24-2010, 10:54 AM
I think they can drag Orochy in again :???: but I don't know they will do this or not!?...anyway removing the seal may cause a lot of trouble.

oh I agree it will, but considering it's contents I don't think it will just never show up again. And considering it's contents, I wonder what will actually happen if it does open up and everything comes flooding out. certainly an interesting concept.

Though I could see Orochimaru being "reformed" at some point (maybe next series), who knows for sure.

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:57 AM
I think Orochy is one of the paths like Naruto and Pain ...
We know nothing about his past.

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 10:58 AM
Oro is alive... go back and read the Sasuke vs. Itachi fight.
.... :/ Just really? Really?

--

Anyways he is dead.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:00 AM
.... :/ Just really? Really?

--

Anyways he is dead.

.... :/ Just really? Really?

Anyway he can be Alive too

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:02 AM
.... :/ Just really? Really?

Anyway he can be Alive too
We saw him get killed, is that not enough?

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:04 AM
We saw him get killed, is that not enough?

We saw him get sealed ,is that not enough?

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:06 AM
We saw him get sealed ,is that not enough?
Once someone is sealed like Orochimaru was, there is no hope of him comming back. He is dead.

HiddenRoar
11-24-2010, 11:07 AM
Well, I mean you know the reaper thing isn't just going to disapear from the series, somthing will prompt it to come back. It has so many powerful souls in it, including part of the Kyuubi. If I recall correctly, I thought even Minato stated that it would only be a temporary fix and the Kyuubi would eventually come back.


You recalled wrongly!
The temporary fix+Kyuubi comes back comment was a response to Kushina's "Seal the Kyuubi in me and then die"
Minato states that if he does Shiki Fujin, it'll seal half of the Kyuubi's powers FOREVER.

@Sina: You don't start #'ing things and not expect people to answer them. If you didn't want a response (my post was directed at #1), put it in sentence form...
And it's not an opinion if it's fact.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:10 AM
Once someone is sealed like Orochimaru was, there is no hope of him comming back. He is dead.

Once someone is sealed like Orochimaru was,there is a hope of him coming back
he might be alive

(with dictation correction)
(p.s:your so negative - sorry I had to change the title)

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:13 AM
Once someone is sealed like Orochimaru was,there is a hope of him coming back
he might be alive

(with dictation correction)
(p.s:your so negative )
That's not funny anymore. It wasn't funny the 1st time. When you make threads like this expect to get responses saying other wise. I.e make a Tobi = Obito thread prepared to get trolled or 'burned down'.

I know I am negative. Happy? Any ways Orochimaru is dead. D-E-A-D. Dead.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:13 AM
I am not #'ing things I just add the possibilities.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:15 AM
Okay chill out men...

it's your opinion and it's honored

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:16 AM
It's not an opinion it's facts. And will you please stop copying and pasting what we are saying. If your trying to troll by doing that, your failing at it.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:19 AM
It's not an opinion it's facts. And will you please stop copying and pasting what we are saying. If your trying to troll by doing that, your failing at it.

As I said your opinion is Honored

example: Neji and Choji supposed to be dead in NARUTO 1st series but it change it's just a POSSIBILITY

SilentBlade
11-24-2010, 11:20 AM
You recalled wrongly!
The temporary fix+Kyuubi comes back comment was a response to Kushina's "Seal the Kyuubi in me and then die"
Minato states that if he does Shiki Fujin, it'll seal half of the Kyuubi's powers FOREVER.

@Sina: You don't start #'ing things and not expect people to answer them. If you didn't want a response (my post was directed at #1), put it in sentence form...
And it's not an opinion if it's fact.

I agree with the intention of it being sealed forever, and that is probably based on the idea of the Shiki Fujin never being able to be unsealed. Now, my question is, at some point if somthing prompts that TO be unsealed for some reason. I don't know if it will, but the reaper has a lot of significants considering its contents. If nothing happens with the reaper for the rest of the series you are correct, I am not certain, just kind of tossing the idea out there since the landscape of ability has changed a lot since Minato and Kushina.

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:23 AM
As I said your opinion is Honored

example: Neji and Choji supposed to be dead in NARUTO 1st series but it change it's just a POSSIBILITY
Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact Fact... And I believe your an alt. Newbie don't know this much and can hardly do anything.

proof?

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:23 AM
I mentioned 3 Ideas earlier if the unsealing is impossible the other might be possible.

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:26 AM
I mentioned 3 Ideas earlier if the unsealing is impossible the other might be possible.
You can not unseal that type of thing. There has been no proof so far to back that up.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:33 AM
What about taking over Kabuto's body
Or Orochimaru might have other bodies you know how dirty he is and everything is possible.

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:43 AM
I wonder what has happened to Orochimaru ...about his past ...there is a lot to know

Sina
11-24-2010, 11:54 AM
Hi everyone

Please vote and express your idea about Orouchimaru's return this is an unofficial poll.

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 12:01 PM
Hi everyone

Please vote and express your idea about Orouchimaru's return

I wonder what has happened to Orochimaru ...about his past ...there is a lot to know

What about taking over Kabuto's body
Or Orochimaru might have other bodies you know how dirty he is and everything is possible.


Don't spam tripple post.

Sina
11-24-2010, 01:58 PM
Don't spam tripple post.

Orochy may come again that's it

your not a fortune teller.

and he must talk about his past too

it's not odd Kabuto is already similar to Orochy

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 02:01 PM
Orochy may come again that's it

your not a fortune teller.

and he must talk about his past too

it's not odd Kabuto is already similar to Orochy
....

Yes I am :ugeek:

wut?

:lol: Not even going to bother.

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:04 PM
....

Yes I am :ugeek:

wut?

:lol: Not even going to bother.

Votes will show you how many people have the same Idea

D 2008
11-24-2010, 02:08 PM
I think the real Orochimaru is in susanoo's sword dead. I think Orochimaru could come out of Kabuto but it will not be the real one it will be a clone of the real one who will act the same way but will not have Orochimaru's soul.

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 02:08 PM
Votes will show you how many people have the same Idea
what votes? I don't see any.

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:11 PM
AttentionVoting guide
yes means he will return in any shape and form even in Kabuto's body
So please vote if you want to understand how many people have the same idea

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:13 PM
what votes? I don't see any.

Soon you WILL

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 02:14 PM
Soon you WILL
How and WHEN?

deidara330
11-24-2010, 02:15 PM
I don't think Orochimaru will come back. He's served his purpose in the story. If Orochimaru does come back, it better not be through Kabuto, since Kabuto is actually a much better character than Orochimaru in my opinion.

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:16 PM
How and WHEN?

next 20 days if the place be crowded

@deidara330

and if I vote for him (socialist or Fascist or...)

I also think most of his spirit is gone and the remnant is in kabuto and he has a special seal

deidara330
11-24-2010, 02:25 PM
Please stop double and triple posting. If you want to say something after you've made a post, edit it into your previous one, don't just make a new one. It's considered spamming, you know.

Kakashi Hatake_Yamato
11-24-2010, 02:28 PM
he's dead, but still lives on in kabuto

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:34 PM
he's dead, but still lives on in kabuto

return means return

in my body or his own one

6jonathan1
11-24-2010, 02:39 PM
He's dead but his cells living inside of Kabuto.

Sina
11-24-2010, 02:41 PM
Orochimaru is Dead or ALIVE
If Oroch is dead why couldn't Kabuto revive him...who knows that he won't be able to unseal Susano's sword...Or Kabuto becomes Orochimaru...Pick your choice and express your opinion.

SageOfTheEnlightend
11-24-2010, 05:20 PM
Where is the "His soul is stuck in the Sword of Totsuka" option.

Also his "cells" are living on Kabumaru.

Sina
11-24-2010, 10:11 PM
Where is the "His soul is stuck in the Sword of Totsuka" option.

Also his "cells" are living on Kabumaru.

The point is he will return or not

I think I wrote the same thing

zerosameri
11-24-2010, 11:12 PM
next 20 days if the place be crowded

@deidara330

and if I vote for him (socialist or Fascist or...)

I also think most of his spirit is gone and the remnant is in kabuto and he has a special seal
Wait what?

Sina
11-25-2010, 12:20 AM
Wait what?

just read the first line can't you see @someone so it's not for you and stop spamming with asking stupid questions

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 09:50 AM
just read the first line can't you see @someone so it's not for you and stop spamming with asking stupid questionsI wanted it to be clarified. So I said what I said. So elaborate on this

next 20 days if the place be crowded

Anru Uzumaki
11-25-2010, 09:59 AM
why is there not a maby on the poll I whant to click on maby but I guess 'I'l vote no:D

EvL j3st3r
11-25-2010, 11:24 AM
was there ever an Orochimaru corpse?

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 11:47 AM
was there ever an Orochimaru corpse?
He was burned a crisp, well what was left of him. I am looking at the chapter right now were he is killed/sealed. let me explain this Itachi sent his ammy to burn Orochimaru. So on page 80 Orochimaru says this

The Totsuka blade, also known as the Sakegari blade, is a sword of sealing. It is said to trap and seal away those it pierces in a Genjutsu world of drunken stupor for all of time. The blade it self is imbued with sealing jutsu and it is a variant of the Kusanagi blade Note that he says,
"It is said to trap and seal away those it pierces in a Genjutsu world of drunken stupor for all of time."

Now Itachi's Susano's sword is a Sharingan jutsu with in a jutsu with in a Genjutsu with in a seal. Note that I said Sharingan jutsu, witch means you only can use that jutsu if you have MS and a sharingan. Witch only 2 people have been shown to use; ever.

Then on page 81 panel 2 and 3 we see what is left of Orochimaru. The ammy finds it and bruns it to death.

Now lets do a time skip. When we 1st see Kabuto again, we see him all most taken by Orochimaru. He says "I all most have Orochimaru's cell completely under my control." Lets do another time skip. Kabuto is shown again with Orochimaru's cell completely under his control with a power up and some of Orochimaru's jutsu.

So the ONLY way to get Orochimaru back is to 'detach' Orochimaru/Kabuto's merged cells then separate them, THEN some how make a body, organs, chakra [ect] out of what few cells Kabtuo has of them. Or try to 'hack' Itachi Susano's sword. Witch from what we know is impossible.

Either way he doesn't have a corps but he is gone for good.

EvL j3st3r
11-25-2010, 12:21 PM
Yea I knew he was sealed and I agree that he's gone for good, but I don't think I'll go so far as to say "dead" in the literal sense. One thing about this manga is don't believe anyone's dead until you see a corpse.

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 02:54 PM
Yea I knew he was sealed and I agree that he's gone for good, but I don't think I'll go so far as to say "dead" in the literal sense. One thing about this manga is don't believe anyone's dead until you see a corpse.We did not see Itachi die-die. He was partly alive when Madara took him, then Zetsu took him. And we still assumed and said he was dead. So is Itachi the exception? I would give you another example but that would screw over my whole point here. But either way I don't even thing madara can 'hack' Itachi's Susano's sword. With Kabuto, orochimaru's cells are Kabuto's now. So there merged in other words.

EvL j3st3r
11-25-2010, 03:17 PM
We didn't see Itachi sealed away while still conscious. Also, I thought Itachi died when he fell to the floor beside Sasuke. I wasn't aware he was alive when Madara took him. If that were the case and I realized it, I wouldn't have been positive that he was dead either (until later when he was revived by Edo Tensei)

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 04:20 PM
We didn't see Itachi sealed away while still conscious. Also, I thought Itachi died when he fell to the floor beside Sasuke. I wasn't aware he was alive when Madara took him. If that were the case and I realized it, I wouldn't have been positive that he was dead either (until later when he was revived by Edo Tensei)
page 82 sasuke says Not dead? Page 121 Madara gets there and we see Itachi from what it seems still alive. Yes he did die, but there was never any corps for him. But he is a zombie now, so it doesn't matter.

SilentBlade
11-25-2010, 05:40 PM
The only odd question would be if for some reason Sauske (with Itachi's eyes) were to release him. But considering he killed Orochimaru in the first place, I don't see this happeneing ever. Orochimaru the character is gone for good (I feel) and Kabuto will end up being his successor, looking, acting and being LIKE him, but not being him.

EvL j3st3r
11-25-2010, 05:44 PM
^^^^agree.

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 06:45 PM
The only odd question would be if for some reason Sauske (with Itachi's eyes) were to release him. But considering he killed Orochimaru in the first place, I don't see this happeneing ever. Orochimaru the character is gone for good (I feel) and Kabuto will end up being his successor, looking, acting and being LIKE him, but not being him.Sasuke is the only option if Itachi's soul is to be put to rest. Though I can see Naruto doing it too.

Kakuzu
11-25-2010, 06:50 PM
Technically, physcially, he's alive (his cells), but his spirit is dead. I actually think he will return. It's odd that Orochimaru wasn't the first person resurrected by Kabuto... and even if his soul was sealed, I still think he could be resurrected bacause he's not spiritually alive. Besides, around the Leaf Infiltration from the original Naruto, in the anime, Orochimaru summoned three caskets, but the 3rd destroyed one labled with a 4 (could be referring to Minato even though his soul was sealed as well), so he could be alive. He'll return in some sense.

Or Orochimaru may overtake Kabuto's body in some odd way... xD

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 07:15 PM
Technically, physcially, he's alive (his cells), but his spirit is dead. I actually think he will return. It's odd that Orochimaru wasn't the first person resurrected by Kabuto... and even if his soul was sealed, I still think he could be resurrected bacause he's not spiritually alive. Besides, around the Leaf Infiltration from the original Naruto, in the anime, Orochimaru summoned three caskets, but the 3rd destroyed one labled with a 4 (could be referring to Minato even though his soul was sealed as well), so he could be alive. He'll return in some sense.

Or Orochimaru may overtake Kabuto's body in some odd way... xD
Don't forget. The only Cells Kabuto could have of Orchimaru is his hand; the rest was in Madan.

Kakuzu
11-25-2010, 07:23 PM
Don't forget. The only Cells Kabuto could have of Orchimaru is his hand; the rest was in Madan.
His hands...? The cells came from Orochimaru's true form, which was a snake. Manda...? When was Manda used for Orochimaru's cells...?

SageKyuubi
11-25-2010, 07:23 PM
saying Orochi is alive despite being sealed in the Tetsuka sword is like saying the 1-4 hokage's are alive despite being sealed within the Reaper...

Soul Sealed Away = Dead
imo

Kakuzu
11-25-2010, 07:26 PM
saying Orochi is alive despite being sealed in the Tetsuka sword is like saying the 1-4 hokage's are alive despite being sealed within the Reaper...

Soul Sealed Away = Dead
imo

Not neccasarilly. The first two hokages were ressurected in the original Naruto and possibly even the fourth in the anime.

SageKyuubi
11-25-2010, 07:54 PM
the 1st & 2nd werent sealed at the time but during the fight the 3rd sealed them and himself in the process but as for the 4th being summoned during that fight idk what that was about maybe a mistake, but i suppose now the rules of a soul being sealed away apply when it comes to being resurrected

zerosameri
11-25-2010, 08:54 PM
His hands...? The cells came from Orochimaru's true form, which was a snake. Manda...? When was Manda used for Orochimaru's cells...?Did I miss something?

I just realized when Sasuke killed Orochimaru, Kabuto could of got his cells from there. :lol: unless I am remembering wrong.

EvL j3st3r
11-25-2010, 10:26 PM
saying Orochi is alive despite being sealed in the Tetsuka sword is like saying the 1-4 hokage's are alive despite being sealed within the Reaper...

Soul Sealed Away = Dead
imo


not the same at all. They were dead before. Otherwise they couldn't have been summoned in the first place. As far as I could tell Oro never suffered death in any physical body. His soul was only moved from one vessel to another. If that's considered death then he already died several years ago when he did the first body transfer.

SageKyuubi
11-26-2010, 11:25 AM
not the same at all. They were dead before. Otherwise they couldn't have been summoned in the first place. As far as I could tell Oro never suffered death in any physical body. His soul was only moved from one vessel to another. If that's considered death then he already died several years ago when he did the first body transfer.

you misunderstood my comment im just saying just why is it acceptable for orochi to be brought back and not the Kage when they are both in the same situation now (sealed away), people just really want to see Orochi be brought back and so would i but its just not gonna happen, that part of the Naruto series is over its time to move on with a new villain, besides i dont think Orochi's power could compare to whats going on now in the series.

EvL j3st3r
11-26-2010, 06:32 PM
you misunderstood my comment im just saying just why is it acceptable for orochi to be brought back and not the Kage when they are both in the same situation now (sealed away), people just really want to see Orochi be brought back and so would i but its just not gonna happen, that part of the Naruto series is over its time to move on with a new villain, besides i dont think Orochi's power could compare to whats going on now in the series.


I agree. He was an excellent character but his time's up. Kabuto's taken his image and surpassed him already.

Sina
11-27-2010, 04:22 AM
I agree. He was an excellent character but his time's up. Kabuto's taken his image and surpassed him already.

WoW

we're not sure he's even alive or Kabuto isn't Orochy

Kabuto is not smart enough to learn such a technique ... and you can't learn s.th only through cells so ... Kabuto has a small part of Orochy's spirit.

HiddenRoar
11-28-2010, 06:54 PM
WoW

we're not sure he's even alive or Kabuto isn't Orochy

Kabuto is not smart enough to learn such a technique ... and you can't learn s.th only through cells so ... Kabuto has a small part of Orochy's spirit.

Ninja Info Cards.

Lulz aside, the guy worked as Orochimaru's right-hand man for how long? You're seriously underestimating his potential if you think Orochimaru just kept him near as a medic.
Plus, there was a comment that Kabuto was about Kakashi's level (PreShippuden, I know) so...

Oh... and Tenzo learned Mokuton from Hashirama's DNA. Your turn.

natureboy
11-28-2010, 10:31 PM
I agree. He was an excellent character but his time's up. Kabuto's taken his image and surpassed him already.

i agree with u..

Kabuto is such a smart guy who surpassed Oroch by far...
he now has Oroch power..

one important thing here, Kabuto has been and always will be a betrayer. the question is "will he betray Madara or keep helping Madara and betraying Konoha???

i really have a feeling that he will turn good at the end.... Konoha is still in his blood... i might be wrong though..

another thing, i suspect that Kabuto is hungry for Madara's strength!!!!! do u think that he is helping Madara just to deceive him like he did with Orochimaru?????

ammmmm many scenearios, but time will tell us everything.

HiddenRoar
11-29-2010, 01:18 AM
i agree with u..

Kabuto is such a smart guy who surpassed Oroch by far...
he now has Oroch power..

one important thing here, Kabuto has been and always will be a betrayer. the question is "will he betray Madara or keep helping Madara and betraying Konoha???

i really have a feeling that he will turn good at the end.... Konoha is still in his blood... i might be wrong though..

another thing, i suspect that Kabuto is hungry for Madara's strength!!!!! do u think that he is helping Madara just to deceive him like he did with Orochimaru?????

ammmmm many scenearios, but time will tell us everything.

Look at what he did to Anko and her squad. That's crossing the moral horizon. It's pretty hard to redeem himself after attacking fellow leaf ninjas.

When did he deceive Orochimaru? IIRC, It's mentioned in part 1 that he might be willing to but he never acted on it.
If the plot wasn't in the way, Kabuto could have easily captured both jinchuriki with his undead army (he only used Deidara after all...)

Semog
11-29-2010, 03:53 AM
Two things:
1st - Part of him is consuming Kabuto and in a few time he will be normal Orochimaru
2nd - In the battle Sasuke vs Itachi there was a small white snake that ran away from the battlefield when the supposed real Orochimaru was sealed inside Susanoo, maybe he transformed in that little white snake, who knows?

Sina
11-29-2010, 04:04 AM
Orochy used that technique against Hiruzen Sarutobi and he wanted to have three tails too
if this is originally Orochy's technique he can use it again and he can revive more people and if Kabuto contain Orochy's cells inside his body he may achieve some technique but not all of them and Orochy isn't a dummy that let his assistant learn everything (specially a forbidden thing) I believe that he must have Orochy's spirit (a small part) inside himself to achieve such a thing.

@Semog

you're right

so choose "yes"

Semog
11-29-2010, 01:35 PM
Orochy used that technique against Hiruzen Sarutobi and he wanted to have three tails too
if this is originally Orochy's technique he can use it again and he can revive more people and if Kabuto contain Orochy's cells inside his body he may achieve some technique but not all of them and Orochy isn't a dummy that let his assistant learn everything (specially a forbidden thing) I believe that he must have Orochy's spirit (a small part) inside himself to achieve such a thing.

@Semog

you're right

so choose "yes"

I did.

HiddenRoar
11-29-2010, 05:12 PM
if this is originally Orochy's technique he can use it again and he can revive more people and if Kabuto contain Orochy's cells inside his body he may achieve some technique but not all of them and Orochy isn't a dummy that let his assistant learn everything (specially a forbidden thing) I believe that he must have Orochy's spirit (a small part) inside himself to achieve such a thing.


It's not Orochimaru's technique (Edo Tensei), it's the 2nd's. Neither you or I can prove that Orochimaru taught Kabuto ET, but the fact that he was able to make a Manda 2.0 and perfect ET shows how intelligent he is.

Sina
11-30-2010, 04:10 AM
@HiddenRoar

If Orochimaru isn't the owner he is the one who can execute such a technique

SO PROVE

Inuyasha
11-30-2010, 04:45 AM
I think hes alive but cant do anything because Kabuto remains the dominant soul

Sina
11-30-2010, 08:36 AM
I think hes alive but cant do anything because Kabuto remains the dominant soul

possible that kabuto controls Orochimaru's soul but Orochy will manipulate him at last

just like what Diablo did to Dark wanderer

Revived Kakuzu
11-30-2010, 08:55 AM
Ah, how I do love this debate. It does seem like Kishi to bring Orochi back, since he's been trying to take little children home with him since the start of the series, and was the first real villain (Notice how I say real, since characters like Mizuki and Zabuza weren't as colossal as Orochi).
So yeah, I think he's gonna return. I don't want him to, but it seems like he will take over Kabuto's body, or maybe return in a different entity. Maybe Itachi will summon susano'o, and Kabs will make him free him, or he'll just hop out as his naked white self and run amok (anyone else lol at the thought of that?).

HiddenRoar
11-30-2010, 10:21 AM
@HiddenRoar

If Orochimaru isn't the owner he is the one who can execute such a technique

SO PROVE

Prove what?
The fact that the 2nd Hokage invented Edo Tensei? Reread the manga.

The fact that you think a jutsu which another person learned without having a piece of the 2nd's soul in him cannot be learned by anyone else? even if that person is shown to be on par with Kakashi at a younger age? Manga proved it again.

And you can't use Diablo II as your example since the DW plunged Diablo's own SOULSTONE inside himself. Sasuke already seal Orochimaru's soul when they fought (Itachi later sealed it in their fight) so Kabuto just grafted some of Oro's snake cells onto himself.
Unless you also think the clone of Hashirama in Madara's basement also has his soul (Which it doesn't)

Sina
11-30-2010, 10:52 AM
Prove what?
The fact that the 2nd Hokage invented Edo Tensei? Reread the manga.

The fact that you think a jutsu which another person learned without having a piece of the 2nd's soul in him cannot be learned by anyone else? even if that person is shown to be on par with Kakashi at a younger age? Manga proved it again.

And you can't use Diablo II as your example since the DW plunged Diablo's own SOULSTONE inside himself. Sasuke already seal Orochimaru's soul when they fought (Itachi later sealed it in their fight) so Kabuto just grafted some of Oro's snake cells onto himself.
Unless you also think the clone of Hashirama in Madara's basement also has his soul (Which it doesn't)


1) 2nd is dead so now Orochimaru (or Kabuto ) knows about the technique
and as I said Orochy isn't a dummy to teach Kabuto s.th like that.

2)Kakashi is weak so Kabuto is weak too (don't compare their powers because Kabuto is a Medic nin more than being a normal nin and suddenly he became so power full [strange]).

3)I bet you haven't played Diablo

4)the only one who sealed Orochy was ITACHI and it's not that simple to just graft s.th.

5)Hashirama's case is different (stick to the topic only about Orochy or I have to argue with you about Hashirama's soul).

HiddenRoar
11-30-2010, 11:42 AM
1) 2nd is dead so now Orochimaru (or Kabuto ) knows about the technique
and as I said Orochy isn't a dummy to teach Kabuto s.th like that.

2)Kakashi is weak so Kabuto is weak too (don't compare their powers because Kabuto is a Medic nin more than being a normal nin and suddenly he became so power full [strange]).

3)I bet you haven't played Diablo

4)the only one who sealed Orochy was ITACHI and it's not that simple to just graft s.th.

5)Hashirama's case is different (stick to the topic only about Orochy or I have to argue with you about Hashirama's soul).

1. If you don't want to believe that Orochimaru taught Kabuto, his right hand man, or that Kabuto learned it the same way like Oro (or another way) then whatever.
2. Your Opinions vs. the manga... I wonder which is right. Kakashi is considered one of Konoha's best so lol.
3. http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/HiddenRoar/Diablo.jpg
4. Sealed, Supressed, it's the same thing considering Orochimaru wasn't in command until Sasuke ran out of chakra. And lol at "it's not simple to just graft s.th."
5. How so? Madara cultivated some of Hashiramas cells and look at it now. It looks just like Hashi (almost... but at least you can tell)
Same for Kabuto's case. Both of those cells had no souls.

Sina
11-30-2010, 11:55 AM
1. If you don't want to believe that Orochimaru taught Kabuto, his right hand man, or that Kabuto learned it the same way like Oro (or another way) then whatever.
2. Your Opinions vs. the manga... I wonder which is right. Kakashi is considered one of Konoha's best so lol.
3. http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/HiddenRoar/Diablo.jpg
4. Sealed, Supressed, it's the same thing considering Orochimaru wasn't in command until Sasuke ran out of chakra. And lol at "it's not simple to just graft s.th."
5. How so? Madara cultivated some of Hashiramas cells and look at it now. It looks just like Hashi (almost... but at least you can tell)
Same for Kabuto's case. Both of those cells had no souls.

1) no I don't think Orochy taught Kabuto s.th like that (Kabuto could use it against Orochy).
2)Konoha is full of trash (pain destructed Konoha)
3)Just Susano's sword can seal things in another world.
4)you made it even worse now you played the game and you don't know that Dark wanderer is being manipulated by Diablo
5)Beware of this Hashirama (off topic)

HiddenRoar
11-30-2010, 06:13 PM
1) no I don't think Orochy taught Kabuto s.th like that (Kabuto could use it against Orochy).
2)Konoha is full of trash (pain destructed Konoha)
3)Just Susano's sword can seal things in another world.
4)you made it even worse now you played the game and you don't know that Dark wanderer is being manipulated by Diablo
5)Beware of this Hashirama (off topic)

1. Opinions
2. Moot point since Pain can solo almost everyone. Does that make a majority in Naruto trash?
4. Did you even play D1 and D2? How do you think the DW got manipulated? Your point is moot since Diablo's soulstone contains his soul while Orochimaru's real body lacked his soul (Absorbed when Sasuke reversed the ritual).
5. How is it off-topic if it contributes to the debate? (Hashirama's cells are like Oro's)

Keep trying. You're never going to get anywhere.

nightwolf613
12-01-2010, 03:46 PM
Orochimaru is dead. Anything that might have been left in Sasuke, Itachi forced out.

-Dattebayo-
12-01-2010, 03:52 PM
His time in the manga has ended, he is dead.
Kabuto will take the orochimaru role.

GenoFury666
12-01-2010, 04:54 PM
Just because we seen Itachi seal what looks like Orochimaru into the sword doesn't mean we actually saw Orochimaru himself get sealed away.

Reasons why I think he's still slithering around.

We don't know everything about him.

Experiments-
We don't know about ALL his experiments.Just those that were mentioned in the manga,and anime.

Curse Marks-
How do we know that when he brands someone with a curse mark.He doesn't transfer a small amount of his soul into these curse marks.

Body snatching-
Don't forget the soul of the people who's bodies he's taken over,become a part of him.So how do we know he hasn't found some way to use those souls to his benefit.

Then there's Kabuto. which is enough reason for me to think he's still alive.

nightwolf613
12-01-2010, 05:11 PM
He had a soul? I knew he didn't have a heart.

I suppose there is always Anko. She is the only one I can think of who still has a curse mark.

Sina
12-03-2010, 09:59 AM
Orochimaru is dead ...dead ah oh eh ...he's dead ...are you people fortunetellers ?

we have no Idea...it's a POSSIBILITY

to HiddenRoar

I have played D2 and Diablo's sole is in DW body any questions?
+ Hashi has a body not a soul but Orochi might have a soul

HiddenRoar
12-03-2010, 01:04 PM
to HiddenRoar

I have played D2 and Diablo's sole is in DW body any questions?
+ Hashi has a body not a soul but Orochi might have a soul

You still never answered my question which was: How do you think the DW got manipulated?. HOW did Diablo's soul get into the DW's body.
Which is still a moot point since Soul =/= DNA (Which I explained enough already)
Oro's soul was adsorbed by Sasuke which is why he was able to show up when Sasuke ran out of chakra.

I don't see why you can't understand. Oro's soul was absorbed by Sasuke (Which was proven when he showed up after Sasuke ran out of chakra). His BODY was all that remained when Kabuto took his DNA.
The manga already proved that the cells can take the appearance and certain powers (Hashi's cells molded into a Hashi, Oro's cells molded into Oro's signature look)

Unless you think Orochimaru can split his soul like Lord Voldemort.

Sina
12-04-2010, 04:09 AM
You still never answered my question which was: How do you think the DW got manipulated?. HOW did Diablo's soul get into the DW's body.
Which is still a moot point since Soul =/= DNA (Which I explained enough already)
Oro's soul was adsorbed by Sasuke which is why he was able to show up when Sasuke ran out of chakra.

I don't see why you can't understand. Oro's soul was absorbed by Sasuke (Which was proven when he showed up after Sasuke ran out of chakra). His BODY was all that remained when Kabuto took his DNA.
The manga already proved that the cells can take the appearance and certain powers (Hashi's cells molded into a Hashi, Oro's cells molded into Oro's signature look)

Unless you think Orochimaru can split his soul like Lord Voldemort.

DW's doesn't have a soul because it was destroyed by Diablo (you see he starts to loses his humanity )
Sasuke never sealed Orochimaru it was Oro's trick to hide his body/sole in Sasuke's seal ... (you don't know what that seal is but what ever it is it's related to a technique)

if you want to argue about games and films see you in Gamespot.

DeemonFox
12-04-2010, 07:22 AM
Orochimaru is inside Susanoo's gourd, trapped in the genjutsu of the sword of totsuka.

Sina
12-08-2010, 05:50 AM
Orochimaru is inside Susanoo's gourd, trapped in the genjutsu of the sword of totsuka.


It's not genjutsu ... it's another world that everything totsuka sword seals will be sealed in it.

Jakropha
12-08-2010, 07:18 AM
I think Kabuto's new risky and sacrificial Jutsu might just be what we need to bring Orochimaru back :)

Possibly it will be a lengthy process, maybe he will first obtain the Totsuka sword, such as Orochimaru did, using his Risky Jutsu to pull it out of Sasuke's eyes while he is unconscious (Kabuto will knock him out :lol:) and then he will proceed to his next step, release Orochimaru and find him a permanent body, possibly a new Edo Tensei.

DeemonFox
12-09-2010, 07:27 AM
It's not genjutsu ... it's another world that everything totsuka sword seals will be sealed in it.

Not according to this...

DO NOT POST IMAGES FROM NARUTO

Sina
12-15-2010, 10:03 AM
I think Kabuto is try to bring Orochy back ... but it needs preparations

Dylee
08-26-2011, 02:22 PM
Orochimaru who is he?!... someone without a first name that did horrific things in his labs and when he was sealed away Kabuto started to change his form to Orochimaru...
Orochimaru has the ability to use others corpse so that's easy for him to transform himself to someone else... now I have three Ideas...

1)when Kabuto revived dead people Orochimaru wasn't among them so he might be alive...

2)if Orochimaru is alive he might be in Susanoo's sword and he might be able to get out of it...

3)Orochimaru might have a new body ...Who knows!!!

Tell me what you know ...


Orcohimaru was sealed inside of Susanoo's sword there is no way orochimaru can come back. I am not saying he is dead. `:)

Dylee
08-26-2011, 02:29 PM
I think Kabuto is try to bring Orochy back ... but it needs preparations

Kabuto wants power, orochimaru's power. He is trying to gather orochimaru's remaining power to became stronger, even reaching up to/pass Madara's strength. However Kabuto is loyal to Orochimaru so that might be the case, but in the manga story he never told us that he wanted his Master back.

A7XNaruHina
08-26-2011, 02:35 PM
He should take over Kabuto's body. This is possible because some of Orochimaru's DNA is inside of Kabuto. Overall, I think he will take over Kabuto's body and come back somehow.

hnl
08-26-2011, 02:43 PM
He should take over Kabuto's body. This is possible because some of Orochimaru's DNA is inside of Kabuto. Overall, I think he will take over Kabuto's body and come back somehow.
As Dylee already wrote... Orichimaru's soul is sealed for all eternity... So I am afraid that we are not going to see him again ;)
The infusion of Orochimaru's DNA will not result in Orochimaru's soul returning.
From what it looks like, Kabuto also wishes to infuse the DNS of White Zetsu and Sasuke into his body, so I am looking forward to see the "new and improved" Kabuto, when he has advanced `!:)

Dylee
08-26-2011, 03:05 PM
Kabuto surpasses orochimaru why would he want orochimaru back.

Itachi is a smart guy. He knew he would be resurrected that is why he gave Naruto that crow. Itachi had it all planned out like him wanting to speak to naruto to give him the crow, then going off to the Uchiha hideout to fight sasuke where he knew he would die and before dying he passed his powers on to sasuke to protect him from Kabuto and Madara.

JashinSama
08-27-2011, 06:22 AM
But he was sealed in side the sword

anyway thanks for your sharing your opinion

*facepalm*

Yes, he was sealed, that does NOT mean that he is dead.

Minato is dead, because he was 'sealed' with the DEATH REAPER.

rados
08-31-2011, 03:07 AM
A part of it is alive within Kabuto!

scallanan
11-19-2012, 03:23 PM
I think that it's very plausible that orochimaru may come back later on in the story. As mentioned many times in the series orochimaru has various ways of being "immortal" or coming back to life.

Here is an extract from the narutopedia of orochimaru, to clarify what I'm saying:

"Orochimaru's last method of immortality are the cursed seals he developed. In addition to his senjutsu chakra, each cursed seal contains a portion of Orochimaru's consciousness, which allows him to share the senses of those who bear his seals. In the event that he is killed or sealed, he can be revived through one of his cursed seals if an individual presses flesh containing his DNA up to the cursed seal and uses the Evil Releasing Method. Through this process, Orochimaru can be completely resurrected any number of times, as long as there are enough remaining cursed seals and pieces of his DNA."

So to those that can't see two sides of the debate, there IS STILL a possibility that orochimaru is still alive, despite part of him being sealed within the reaper death seal, and itachi's blade.. There are a huge number of shinobi with the curse mark still left, along with the possibility of orochimaru having transferred body during the times he supposedly "came back to life" for a few seconds. Who knows, Mishi always has ways of surprising us!

Kakashi Hatake_Yamato
11-19-2012, 03:43 PM
he's alive
was resurrected from Anko's curse mark by sasuke

scallanan
11-19-2012, 04:06 PM
he's alive
was resurrected from Anko's curse mark by sasuke


Thanks. I just saw that before you replied