Bio Broly vs Perfect Cell

[USSJ]

bio broly stomped goten trunks and 18. cell held back vs goku and stomped vegeta and trunks.

[cnorwood]

bio broly is weaker than ssj goku at cell saga, this is a spite thread

[USSJ]

goten and trunks in movie 11 are just as strong as mssj goku and they both got lolstomped.

[cnorwood]

goten and trunks in movie 11 are just as strong as mssj goku and they both got lolstomped.
i hope you know 2 years after the buu saga goten and trunks are only as strong as freiza, mssj goku rotflstomps both of them

[USSJ]

i hope you know thats just plain wrong. manga wise, ssj goten kept up with ssj1 adult gohan who fought equally with dabura who goku said was just as strong as the cell mssj goku fought. and trunks is stronger than goten.
your probably going off that latest special. well might i remind you, that movie shows ssj1 goku > gotenks.

[cnorwood]

i hope you know thats just plain wrong. manga wise, ssj goten kept up with ssj1 adult gohan who fought equally with dabura who goku said was just as strong as the cell mssj goku fought. and trunks is stronger than goten.
your probably going off that latest special. well might i remind you, that movie shows ssj1 goku > gotenks.
that movie shows no thing about ssj1 goku> gotenks, and the special was written by akira toryiama so it is canon

[USSJ]

ssj1 goku defeated the villain but gotenks could not. how does that NOT show goku was stronger?

and no he just commissioned his friend to draw it. and i dont care if he wrote it cos its FULL of contradictions to the manga. tarble exists yet raditz stated there were only 4 full bloods left. goten and trunks had trouble with beings at friezas level yet they were toying around with android 18 and sparring evenly with mssjs in the manga. ssj1 gokus punch defeats aka yet base gotenks could not win.

[cnorwood]

ssj1 goku defeated the villain but gotenks could not. how does that NOT show goku was stronger?

and no he just commissioned his friend to draw it. and i dont care if he wrote it cos its FULL of contradictions to the manga. tarble exists yet raditz stated there were only 4 full bloods left. goten and trunks had trouble with beings at friezas level yet they were toying around with android 18 and sparring evenly with mssjs in the manga. ssj1 gokus punch defeats aka yet base gotenks could not win.
goku didnt defeat the villan. he was eating with them right after the kamehameha. and training with a mssj=/=mssj level, or do you think the people who train top class fighters are just as good as they are.

[USSJ]

look being knocked out and getting a kamehameha blasted in your face then surrendering and joining the good guys IS BEING DEFEATED. good god.

[cnorwood]

look being knocked out and getting a kamehameha blasted in your face then surrendering and joining the good guys IS BEING DEFEATED. good god.
goku obviously didnt do much damage to him, all he did was stop his attack, something gotenks was certainly capable of doing, but of course gotenks was trolling around that fight

[USSJ]

still doesnt change the fact that the movie made the kids many times weaker than their manga counterparts.

[cnorwood]

still doesnt change the fact that the movie made the kids many times weaker than their manga counterparts.
again, gotenks never tried so it didnt

[USSJ]

again the kids had trouble with frieza level opponents when they are on the level of ssj adult gohan

[cnorwood]

again the kids had trouble with frieza level opponents when they are on the level of ssj adult gohan
lol, no proof of this, and please dont say sparing, because gohan wasnt trying he didnt even throw a punch, again i go by the manga not the anime