Orochimaru vs Naruto

[tyrell4life194]

Orochimaru vs Naruto

Restrictions: Speed equalized, Naruto can only go into SM. Orochimaru and Naruto can't summon anything.

Who wins?

I hope with my editing, this will make it a better debate and a more even fight.

[Bacon]

Orochimaru's skill combined with oral rebirth would outlast Naruto's sage chakra. I know that sounds rather simple,but naruto would probably need to recharge his sage chakra around 10 or 11 times just to kill Orochimaru 5 or 6 times. As we have seen already, manda out matches Gamabunta in speed and Orochimaru evaded the 3 tails and mocked his power.

I don't see Naruto winning unless he hits him with that one Fuuton Rasenshuriken. That said, the Fuuton Rasenshuriken doesn't actually expand until it hits its target. It's not like the expanding occurs while it's moving.

[tyrell4life194]

Damn, I should've restricted Orochimaru's summoning and Naruto's also. Hold on, I'm gonna edit this, so I can make the fight as even as I can.

[Bacon]

It depends is Futton Rashenshuriken can hit him and if it can stop oral rebirth.

[Kuromaki]

Naruto needs prep time for SM. I dunno if that's possible with Orochimaru's skills.

Otherwise he's just stuck in his base form, and he'll have to do clone spam (if that's allowed) to distract Orochimaru so he can do some major attack. Orochimaru however, has a lot of tricks up his sleeve so it won't be that easy.

I think Rasenshuriken can take him out in one good shot since it deals cellular damage, but Idk if Naruto can throw it in his base form. It was implied that he did near the end of his fight with Pain, but he could've just reverted back to base right after throwing it.

[Bacon]

Even if he can throw it in base, that's a one or two shot deal Kuro. With equal speed, I doubt he would be able to pull it out when Orochimaru kept with the KN3.

[Kuromaki]

Even if he can throw it in base, that's a one or two shot deal Kuro. With equal speed, I doubt he would be able to pull it out when Orochimaru kept with the KN3.
Speed is equalized so it's not like Oro can blitz.

That's different for the jutsu though, Rasenshuriken is pretty fast when thrown.

[Bacon]

I forgot about the speed equalization. xD

That said, Universal assimilation takes the cake for Orochimaru's survival.

[321zigzag3]

Even if FRS never crossed the crater 1 second or whatever, its pretty obvious its really fast because Sage Mode strength amps throwing speed in general probability.

That being said you could argue Orochimaru can react to in time within distance.

I mean if you want argue KN4 Chakra bullet made a sonic boom which there is that boom effect drawn, anyway whatever.

Speed equalized means SM Naruto loses his speed advantage and Orochimaru will have easier time evading and of course can tank SM hits and survive them at least for a limited time.

[Devil's Lawyer]

There is always a clone blitz to use for a distraction. Easily can by enough time for Naruto to go into sage mode. Since Orichimaru or Naruto can't Summon that means he has no way of defending Naruto attacks since his jutsu is basiically summoning. Espicially since he can't summon that door.

[321zigzag3]

Ah yes Summoning Technique: Sanju Rashoman.

I actually need to remember that because many people tend to forget that.

No summoning really does cripple Orochimaru more. Kusanagi is his best bet then.

[Bacon]

Actually no, Orochimaru used his universal assimilation jutsu to casually dodge Hiruken's assault during the invasion arc. There's also the snakes, whose prep time takes as long as Orochimaru needs to gag a few times. Although I do see the point about Orochimaru being a summoner primarily, his striking shadow snakes jutsu is strong enough to entangle Jugo and Suigetsu who are in the heat of battle.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Actually no, Orochimaru used his universal assimilation jutsu to casually dodge Hiruken's assault during the invasion arc. There's also the snakes, whose prep time takes as long as Orochimaru needs to gag a few times. Although I do see the point about Orochimaru being a summoner primarily, his striking shadow snakes jutsu is strong enough to entangle Jugo and Suigetsu who are in the heat of battle.

Rasengan would eat away at the majority of his moves. Not to mention a clone spam is not that easy to beat anymore. Espicially since Naruto can analyze any oponent and find a opening. If he can't finish with clones he would have bought enough time to go sm. In sm close combat oro can't beat Naruto due to enhanced strength and unnoticible range increase of Naruto blows. Lets not forget sm jump or hulk jump as I like to call it. Puts him way out Oro range. Oro transforming Into that giant 7 snake creature would be his downfall frs would tear him to pieces.

[Bacon]

Rasengan would eat away at the majority of his moves. Not to mention a clone spam is not that easy to beat anymore. Espicially since Naruto can analyze any oponent and find a opening. If he can't finish with clones he would have bought enough time to go sm. In sm close combat oro can't beat Naruto due to enhanced strength and unnoticible range increase of Naruto blows. Lets not forget sm jump or hulk jump as I like to call it. Puts him way out Oro range. Oro transforming Into that giant 7 snake creature would be his downfall frs would tear him to pieces.

You're really downplaying orochimaru dude. Even if speed was not equalized, his normal rasengan would not destroy a wall of snakes with blades jutting from their mouths. In addition to this,speed being equalized defeats the notion of a strong clone assault,one that Orochimaru can escape with a head hunter jutsu.

Let's assume that he can get to sage mode with his clones distracting orochimaru;Futton Rasenshuriken is his only hope of winning. He has to cut that chakra flow in orochimaru's body off, or he will simply continue to fight a less costly fight(energy wise) until naruto exhausts himself.

[Devil's Lawyer]

You're really downplaying orochimaru dude. Even if speed was not equalized, his normal rasengan would not destroy a wall of snakes with blades jutting from their mouths. In addition to this,speed being equalized defeats the notion of a strong clone assault,one that Orochimaru can escape with a head hunter jutsu.

Let's assume that he can get to sage mode with his clones distracting orochimaru;Futton Rasenshuriken is his only hope of winning. He has to cut that chakra flow in orochimaru's body off, or he will simply continue to fight a less costly fight(energy wise) until naruto exhausts himself.

I am not downplaying him Naruto clones can easily eqaulize the snake wall. But yes frs is Naruto only way to totally put Oro down. But I also think the results would be the same even without the restrictions.

[tyrell4life194]

No, I don't believe Naruto can throw the Rasenshuriken in Base Form, because of his poor chakra control. Also, I believe either Yamato or Naruto mentioned that Naruto couldn't control the Rasenshuriken completely in Base Form. If he can actually control it completely in Base Form, then he can likely throw it, like he can in Sage Mode.

[Devil's Lawyer]

No, I don't believe Naruto can throw the Rasenshuriken in Base Form, because of his poor chakra control. Also, I believe either Yamato or Naruto mentioned that Naruto couldn't control the Rasenshuriken completely in Base Form. If he can actually control it completely in Base Form, then he can likely throw it, like he can in Sage Mode.

By the end of the fight with Kakuza he could recreate a complete frs. He just didn't have the ability to throw it.

[tyrell4life194]

By the end of the fight with Kakuza he could recreate a complete frs. He just didn't have the ability to throw it.
Well, he does have a complete FRS, but he doesn't have complete control over it. His chakra control is awful, likely due to his large chakra reserves ever since he was 8-12 years old.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Well, he does have a complete FRS, but he doesn't have complete control over it. His chakra control is awful, likely due to his large chakra reserves ever since he was 8-12 years old.

He had enough conrol over the frs to use it as an attack. It was basically at the time a suped up regular rasengan. But the attack is still vicious. But his control over his chakra was perfect. He just had trouble controling his wind and chakra manipulation at the same time. Not many people could do that anyways.

[tyrell4life194]

He had enough conrol over the frs to use it as an attack. It was basically at the time a suped up regular rasengan. But the attack is still vicious. But his control over his chakra was perfect. He just had trouble controling his wind and chakra manipulation at the same time. Not many people could do that anyways.
The reason he had enough control to complete the Rasenshuriken was because he needed 4 hands to mold the chakra in his hand. In other words, he needs a total of 5 hands in order to form the Rasenshuriken. His control over his chakra is great, but it is awful when it comes to his wind and chakra manipulation.

[RINNEMAN1]

Narruto uses clones to make a rasengan or rasenshuriken to barely win.