Narutoverse calculations

[Bacon]

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The purpose of this thread is to kill the speed blitz within tier to tier bouts. It seems to me that the speed blitz is vastly abused because the accuser has no proof,while the defender cannot refute it with proof. So this is the remedy to said situation. The secondary purpose of this thread is to stop the incessant over exaggerations of certain jutsu and the size of summoned animals. I do want to point out that everything in this list is estimated; inconsistencies in kishi's art and different computer resolutions may distort calculations by a smidge.

Status Incomplete: 11/10/2010
This thread will is vastly incomplete because I only calculated the odd chapters from 1 - 511. In a few weeks I will complete this list by calculating the even chapters and calculate the potentially higher secondary reaction times;the likes of which would be more accurate when gauging someone's speed/reaction time.

How the calculations are done:
The basic objective of each and every calculation at its most basic concept is to find how many of a character can fit within a distance. Once this distance is approximated, you multiply that distance by the average human's reaction time. This is because many naruto characters seem to teleport,but in reality, their shunshin allows them to most fast enough to cover a certain distance within an instant.
1000 is the number of milliseconds in a second. 190 is the number of milliseconds it takes for an average person to react visually, according to Wikipedia.

The process to calculating this initial list:
1. Find the listed height of a character in the panel, in centimeters.

2.Measure the depicted height of the character from head to toe, in inches.
This is because you need to find how many of the measured character fit within certain distance. However, you will get certain panels when one person is depicted at 1 inch,but the other is depicted at half an inch. These are tunnel perspective panels,ones that you would normally use the smaller depict character to get the most accurate result,since they are farther away.

3.Calculate the depicted distance in between the attackers and defenders, in inches.

4. Obtain a distance multiplier by dividing the distance by the character's depicted height.

5. Multiply the distance multiplier by the character's listed(or estimated) height. Your result will be in centimeters.

6. Calculate the normal human reflex or reaction time by dividing 1000 milliseconds by 190 milliseconds. This number will vary once the secondary list is up. Note: The reflex number will stay constant and is assumed this number until proven otherwise.

7. Multiply the Reflex number by the distance in centimeters.

8. Divide by 100 to get the quotient in meters.
To help ensure accuracy from now until the completion:
Hopefully each and every applicable feat has been found. Once they are found,if the character has multiple feats,they will have a range from X to Y. X is the lowest calculate quantity and Y is the highest.


The List!

Naruto: Range: 5.7799035 - 60.631577 Meters per second

Chapter 505, page 11[Naruto's perfect seal blitz]
Character height stated by kishi:Samehada length set: 180 cm - .3125
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:6.4
Distance in cm:1152
RTxDCM = 6063.1577
Speed in meters per second:60.631577

Chapter 357 , page 5 [naruto calc]
Character height stated by kishi:naruto 166 = .75
Distance depicted:2.4375
Multiplying factor:3.25
Distance in cm:593.55
RTxDCM = 3123.6841
Speed in meters per second:31.236841

Chapter 1, page 41[Naruto's speed blitz using Mizuki's height]
Character height stated by kishi:179.4 Cm = (12/16 = .75)
Distance depicted:2.8 inches
Multiplying factor: 2.8/.75 = 3.733
Distance in cm: 179.4 x 3.733 = 669.7002
RTxDCM = 3524.7378
Speed in meters per second:35.247378

Chapter 131, page 14-16 Naruto speed calc[Using Gaara's height]
Character height stated by kishi: 145 cm = (11/16 = .6875)
Distance depicted:2 6/16 or 2.375
Multiplying factor:3.455454
Distance in cm:500.90908
RTxDCM:2626.3635
Speed in meters per second:26.263635

Chapter 133, page 3-4 Naruto speed calc[Using Gaara's height]
Character height stated by kishi:145 cm =(5/16 = .3125)
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:6.4
Distance in cm:928
RTxDCM:4884.2104
Speed in meters per second:48.842104

Chapter 231, page 8 [Distance calc on page 8, blitz on page 10ish] Kn1 blitz
Character height stated by kishi:151 cm = 1.375
Distance depicted:4.5625
Multiplying factor:7.72727
Distance in cm:109.81817
RTxDCM:577.99035
Speed in meters per second:5.7799035

Chapter 291, page 4 [Kn1 speed blitz]
Character height stated by kishi:Orochimaru = 172 = (.375)
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:5.333
Distance in cm::917.276
RTxDCM = 4828.07
Speed in meters per second: 48.2807

Chapter 294 , page 6 [kn4 chakra arm speed]
Character height stated by kishi:Orochimaru -172 = (1)
Distance depicted:5.25
Multiplying factor:5.25
Distance in cm:903
RTxDCM = 4752.614
Speed in meters per second:47.52614


Kakashi: Range: 17.0935557- 91.52631 meters per second

Chapter 340, page 6[Kakashi's calc]
Character height stated by kishi:Kakazu's height - 185 = (.3125)
Distance depicted:5.875
Multiplying factor:18.8
Distance in cm:3478
RTxDCM = 18305.262
Speed in meters per second:183.05262
Or 1000/380(2 moments) = 91.52631

Chapter 31, page 12[Using Zabuza's height]Kakashi blitz
Character height stated by kishi:181(Zabuza's assumed height) = 1
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:3
Distance in cm:543
RTxDCM:2857.8946
Speed in meters per second:28.578946

Chapter 277, page 9 Kakashi speed feat
Character height stated by kishi:181= (9/16= .5625)
Distance depicted:1
Multiplying factor:1.7777
Distance in cm:321.7776
RTxDCM = 1709.35557
Speed in meters per second:17.0935557

Gaara: 42.263157
Chapter 35, page 13 Gaara's shunshin [This is calculating the height,but the actual action happens a few pages later]
Character height stated by kishi:146 cm = .5
Distance depicted:2.75
Multiplying factor:5.5
Distance in cm:803
RTxDCM:4226.3157
Speed in meters per second:42.263157

Sasuke:Range: 19.126315 - 62.042104 meters per second

Chapter 477, page 12[Sasuke calc]
Character height stated by kishi: Danzo 170- .5
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:4
Distance in cm:680
RTxDCM = 3578.9473
Speed in meters per second:35.789473

Chapter 483, page 7 [Sasuke calc]
Character height stated by kishi: Sakura -161 (.5625)
Distance depicted:1.5
Multiplying factor:2.666666
Distance in cm:429.33332
RTxDCM = 2259.649
Speed in meters per second:22.59649

Chapter 461, page 1 [Interchangeable Sasuke/Raikage estimated speed blitz]
Character height stated by kishi: Sasuke - 168 - .5
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:4
Distance in cm:672
RTxDCM = 3536.842
Speed in meters per second:35.36842

Chapter 357, page 11 [Sasuke calc]
Character height stated by kishi:Sasuke 168 -
Distance depicted:2.6875
Multiplying factor:5.375
Distance in cm:903
RTxDCM = 4752.6313
Speed in meters per second:47.526313

Chapter 349, page 20(Dist) (Blitz on page 21)
Character height stated by kishi:168 = .625
Distance depicted:2.4375
Multiplying factor:3.9
Distance in cm:655.2
RTxDCM = 2552.28
Speed in meters per second: 25.5528

Chapter 37, page 5 Sasuke speed calc[Using Lee's Height]
Character height stated by kishi:158 cm = (10/16 = .625)
Distance depicted:1.4375
Multiplying factor:2.3
Distance in cm:363.4
RTxDCM:1912.6315
Speed in meters per second:19.126315
Actual blitz on page 11

Chapter 113, page 5 Sasuke Speed feat
Character height stated by kishi:151 cm = .625
Distance depicted:4
Multiplying factor:6.4
Distance in cm:966.4
RTxDCM:5086.3156
Speed in meters per second:50.863156

Chapter 115, page 16 Sasuke speed calc
Character height stated by kishi: 151 cm (5/16 = .3125)
Distance depicted:2.4375
Multiplying factor:7.8
Distance in cm:1177.8
RTxDCM:6204.2104
Speed in meters per second:62.042104

Kiba: Range: 12.60 meters per second
Chapter 75, page 7 Kiba blitz[Using naruto's height]
Character height stated by kishi:145 cm = (2.6875)
Distance depicted:4.4375
Multiplying factor:1.6511627
Distance in cm:239.41859
RTxDCM:1260.0978
Speed in meters per second:12.60

Hiruken Sarotobi:
Chapter 123, page 15-18 Sarotobi's speed blitz
Character height stated by kishi:161.1 cm = (5/16 = .3125)
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:9.6
Distance in cm:1546.56
RTxDCM:8139.7893
Speed in meters per second:81.397893

Tsunade: Range:36.023683
Chapter 163, page 17-18 Tsunade blitz
Character height stated by kishi:163.1 cm = (5/16 = .3125)
Distance depicted:1.3125
Multiplying factor:4.2
Distance in cm:685.02
RTxDCM:3602.3683
Speed in meters per second:36.023683

Hidan: Range:24.856139
Chapter 333, page 19[Hidan calc](Distance calc) (Attack pg.4)
Character height stated by kishi: Hidan - .75
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:2.6666666
Distance in cm:472.266665
RTxDCM = 2485.6139
Speed in meters per second:24.856139

Orochimaru: Range:48.2807
Chapter 294, page 5 [Orochimaru speed feat]
Character height stated by kishi:Orochimaru -172 = (.5625)
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:5.3333333
Distance in cm:917.33332
RTxDCM = 4828.07
Speed in meters per second:48.2807

Human path: Range:165.23683

Chapter 377, page 1 [Human path blitz]
Character height stated by kishi: Jiraiya - 191.1 = (.4375)
Distance depicted:7.1875
Multiplying factor:16.42871
Distance in cm:3139.4999
RTxDCM = 16523.683
Speed in meters per second:165.23683

Jugo: Range:1747.3683
Chapter 415, page 6 [Jugo's Arm extending speed]
Character height stated by kishi: Sasuke - 168 - 1
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:2
Distance in cm:336
RTxDCM = 1747.3683
Speed in meters per second:1747.3683


Deva path: Range:20.650716
Chapter 441, page 3 [Deva path blitz]
Character height stated by kishi: Naruto 166- (.6875)
Distance depicted:1.625
Multiplying factor:2.63636363
Distance in cm:392.3636362
RTxDCM = 2065.0716
Speed in meters per second:20.650716


Raikage: Range:35.36842
Chapter 461, page 1 [Interchangeable Sasuke/Raikage estimated speed blitz]
Character height stated by kishi: Sasuke - 168 - .5
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:4
Distance in cm:672
RTxDCM = 3536.842
Speed in meters per second:35.36842

The Miscellaneous list:Jutsu calculations, summons size, etc.

Chapter 7, page 10[Sasuke's fireball technique, using Kakashi's height]
Character height stated by kishi:181 cm = (14/16 = .875)
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:3.4285714
Distance in cm:620.57142
RTxDCM:3266.1653
Speed in meters per second:32.661653

Chapter 17[Using Kakashi's height]Calculating the Water vortex jutsu
Character height stated by kishi:181 cm = (3/16 = .1875)
Distance depicted:2.75
Multiplying factor:14.66
Distance in cm:2654.66
RTxDCM:13971.928
Speed in meters per second:139.71928

Chapter 83, page 14 Lotus depicted speed
Character height stated by kishi: 158 = 1.75
Distance depicted:9.1875
Multiplying factor:5.25
Distance in cm:829.5
RTxDCM:4365.7893
Speed in meters per second:43.657893

Chapter 135, page page 12 Gamabunta's height[Using naruto's height]
Character height stated by kishi:145 cm .25
Distance depicted:3 3/16 or 3.8125
Multiplying factor:15.25
Distance in cm:2211.25 or 22.1125 Meters in height

Chapter 193, page 10 Kidomaru's web shooting[using Neji's height]
Character height stated by kishi:160 = (5/16 = .3125)
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:6.4
Distance in cm:1024
RTxDCM:5389.4735
Speed in meters per second:53.894735

Chapter 195, page 18 (attacked on page 2 of 196)Kidomaru's CS2 arrow shot[Using Neji's height]
Character height stated by kishi:160 cm = (2/16=.125)
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:16
Distance in cm:2560
New Real time: 2.6315789( This is because it took two panels and 3 !! marks. If you omit one,it still took two for it to travel the distance.)
RTxDCM:6736.8419
Speed in meters per second:67.368419
Standard RT = 13473.683 cm or 134.73683 Meters per second

Chapter 203, page 17 Kiba's Cerberus height[Using Sakon's height]
Character height stated by kishi:155.1 cm = (2 15/16 = 2.9375)
Distance depicted:4
Multiplying factor:1.3617021
Distance in cm:211.19999 or 2.1119999

Chapter 213, page 6 Kimi's finger bullets[Using gaara's height]
Character height stated by kishi:145 cm (13/16 = .8125)
Distance depicted:2.5
Multiplying factor:3.076923
Distance in cm:546.53835
RTxDCM:2876.5175
Speed in meters per second:28.765175

Chapter 213, page 11(distance calc)(attack on page 14) Temari's wind blast[using tayuya's height]
Character height stated by kishi:148.2 cm =(5/16 =.3125)
Distance depicted: 1 6/16 or 1.375
Multiplying factor:4.4
Distance in cm:652.08
RTxDCM:3431.9999
Speed in meters per second:34.319999

Chapter 215, page 19 Gaara's sand Tsunami height
Character height stated by kishi: 166.1 cm =(4/16 = .25)
Distance depicted:4 3/16 or 4.1875
Multiplying factor:16.75
Distance in cm:695.54375

Chapter 217, page 18 Kimmi's forest of bone(Depicted size)[Using Gaara's height]
Character height stated by kishi:145 cm = .3125
Distance depicted:7
Multiplying factor:22.4
Distance in cm:3248 or 32.48 meters wide(approximately)

Chapter 231, page 14[Distance calc] [Attack on page 15] Great fireball jutsu calc
Character height stated by kishi: 151 cm = .25
Distance depicted:4.5635
Multiplying factor:18.25
Distance in cm:2755.75
RTxDCM:14503.947
Speed in meters per second:145.03947

Chapter 267, page 18 Sasori's kunai trap
Character height stated by kishi:Chiyo - 149.1 = (9/16 = .5625)
Distance depicted:.75
Multiplying factor:1.333
Distance in cm:198.79999
RTxDCM = 1046.3157
Speed in meters per second:10.463157

Chapter 293, page 14 [Naruto's kn4 explosion range/speed]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto = 166- (.0625)
Distance depicted: 1.625
Multiplying factor:26
Distance in cm:4316
RTxDCM = 22715.789
Speed in meters per second:227.15789

Chapter 294, page 2 Orochimaru's wall of snake speed [Using naruto's height]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto transformed ~166 = (.625)
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:4.8
Distance in cm:798.6
RTxDCM = 4203.1578
Speed in meters per second:42.031578

Chapter 294, page 2 [Snake wall height]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto transformed ~166 = .75
Distance depicted:1
Multiplying factor:1.333
Distance in cm:221.33 or 2.2133

Chapter 294, page 2 [Snake wall width]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto transformed ~166
Distance depicted:5
Multiplying factor:6.66
Distance in cm:1106.6666 or 11.06666 meters wide

Chapter 313, page 6 [Cat beast]
Character height stated by kishi: Hidan= 177 = 1.8125
Distance depicted:3.8125
Multiplying factor:4.4827586
Distance in cm:793.44827 or 7.9344827

Chapter 337, page 8 [Chouji's expanded height]
Character height stated by kishi: Kakashi's - 181 = (.6875)
Distance depicted:3.5
Multiplying factor:5.090909
Distance in cm: 921.45452 or 9.2145452

Chapter 341, page 4 [Kukazu's appendages]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto - 166 = (.6875)
Distance depicted:4.6875
Multiplying factor:6.81818181
Distance in cm:1131.8181
RTxDCM = 5956.9322
Speed in meters per second:59.549372

Chapter 357 , page 17 [C2 dragon height]
Character height stated by kishi: Deidara- 166 = (.6875)
Distance depicted:3
Multiplying factor:4.363636363
Distance in cm:724.36363 or 7.243636363

Chapter 375, page 8 [Gamaken height]
Character height stated by kishi:Jaraiya - 191.2 = (.1875)
Distance depicted:3.5
Multiplying factor:18.666666
Distance in cm:3565.0665 or 35.650665 meters tall

Chapter 375, page 8 (Cerberus length)
Character height stated by kishi:Jaraiya - 191.2 = (.1875)
Distance depicted: .6875
Multiplying factor:3.666
Distance in cm:701.066666 or 7.01066666

Chapter 375, page 10 (Animal path's bird)
Character height stated by kishi: Jaraiya - .0625
Distance depicted:3 13/16
Multiplying factor:61
Distance in cm:11657.1 or 116.571

Chapter 399, page 11 [Kyuubi's length]
Character height stated by kishi: Madara = 175 = (1.1875)
Distance depicted:6
Multiplying factor:5.0526315
Distance in cm:884.21051

Chapter 413, page 15 [Haichi height]{Using jugo's height)
Character height stated by kishi:Jugo - 202.1 = .375
Distance depicted:4.125
Multiplying factor:11
Distance in cm:2231.1 or 22.231 meters tall

Chapter 412, page 16-18 [Killerbee's Base speed during shunshin]
Character height stated by kishi: Sasuke - 168 - .0625
Distance depicted:4.5
Multiplying factor:72
Distance in cm:12096
RTxDCM = 63663.156
Speed in meters per second:636.63156

Chapter 419, page 7 [Centipede height]
Character height stated by kishi: Animal path height set: 160 cm - .5
Distance depicted:9.875
Multiplying factor:19.75
Distance in cm:3160 or 3.160 meters tall

Chapter 421, page 13[Kakashi's lightning hound]
Character height stated by kishi:kakashi 181 = 1.75
Distance depicted:3.625
Multiplying factor:2.0714285
Distance in cm:6565.125
RTxDCM = 3453.2894
Speed in meters per second:34.532894

Chapter 477, page 5 [Sasano height]
Character height stated by kishi:sasuke 168 - (.3125)
Distance depicted:2.7
Multiplying factor:8.64
Distance in cm:1451.52 or 14.5152 tall

Chapter 497, page 6 [Inner kyuubi depicted length]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto 166 - .25
Distance depicted:2
Multiplying factor:8
Distance in cm:1328 or 13.28 meters long

Chapter 497, page 6 [Sage rasengan size]
Character height stated by kishi:Naruto 166 - .25
Distance depicted:1.3
Multiplying factor:5.2
Distance in cm:863.2 or 8.632 meters wide



Secondary reaction times: Under construction: >.>
Itachi/Sasuke Note
Important note to self: Itachi and sasuke both have a minimum Reaction time that is equivalent to the fireball jutsu.
Sage mode Jiriya note:
He reacted to Human path's blitz
Gaara's sand note:
Gaara's sand reacted to Kimi's finger bullets.
Deva path note:
Deva path casually reacted to kakashi's lightning hound.

Raikage note:
Raikage has similar, if not greater reflexes than sasuke.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Hiruzen*

Jiraiya*

[Bacon]

Burn for that Maik!

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

They're still spelled incorrectly.

[Akatsuki X]

Wouldn't it be easier to just keep this thread and base our arguments off of D330's calcs for debates? And use this a reference instead of determining calcs for ourselves?

Also, as most people don't say "Oh he can move 50 meters per second, or whatever", they generally list them as being supersonic, hypersonic, etc. You could convert some of the calcs to levels of speed in sonic terms.

[Dio Brando]

Is the Yondaime Raikage lighting speed?

[321zigzag3]

Raikage in shroud mode is faster than Killer Bee. The same guy who zipped away to a nearby large hill within a few seconds or less at best?

Considering that, the problem with the height based and ec is that authors aren't specifically consistent.

And those calculations are more relative to that situation itself which may contradict things.

Even the OBD doesn't try to calculate the jutsu speed. Its too much of a mental rehaul. Your effort is a bit admirable but no need to do this yourself. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png

Is the Yondaime Raikage lighting speed?

Nope. There is no reason to believe so. Although there are some who think Raikage is lightning speed to light speed and etc in other forums and youtube.

It is clear though he is the fastest moving character and mainly, top tier speedsters or those with top tier reactions can react to him and survive quite well.


Suigetsu and Jugo may have reacted to Raikage but they can't really do anything. CS2 Jugo proved it by barely blocking in reflex.

[Dio Brando]

Hoshigaki Kisame said that the Yondaime Raikage and Kirabi are both lighting speed.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

I have to ask you to take those scans down unfortunately.

It's a shame we can't even post such things for reasons like this. -_-

[Dio Brando]

I took it down, well I'll have a hard time proving stuff.

Since not everyone download their manga most just read online, and most of the online reader provide crappy scans.

The scans I have are that of the highest quality and best translation.

[321zigzag3]

Hoshigaki Kisame said that the Yondaime Raikage and Kirabi are both lighting speed.

When I don't recall.

Take in mind lightning speed is a more of a generic oh god he is really fast. Written several in literature for example.

It could have been different translations but that proves my point.


The only time Kisame had a difficult time was when Killerbee and Raikage were up really close only few meters and Kisame was without Samehada and couldn't summon Giant Shark Missile in time.

The translation I read was, "lol you too fast for me."

[Bacon]

Wouldn't it be easier to just keep this thread and base our arguments off of D330's calcs for debates? And use this a reference instead of determining calcs for ourselves?

Also, as most people don't say "Oh he can move 50 meters per second, or whatever", they generally list them as being supersonic, hypersonic, etc. You could convert some of the calcs to levels of speed in sonic terms.
I'm not asking anyone to do any calculations,but rather I am showing my work so no one can claim my work to be baseless. So yes, this is exactly what you ask,just a reference if the issue of a speed blitz is intorduced into a thread.

That said, a character would actually have to reach a speed of 243 meters before they can reach mach speeds. If I am not mistaken, sonic tiers are based off of moving at a certain speed that is greater than or equal to the speed of sound. The only character to even come come close to that is Killer bee or human path.

That said, I have to fix my calculation of Gamabunta and the Giant shark missile,but those are the only two instances where I found proof of being sonic.
Is the Yondaime Raikage lighting speed?
Raikage's speed couldn't be calculated using the odd numbered chapters.Hopefully he will have a few more in the even chapters.
Raikage in shroud mode is faster than Killer Bee. The same guy who zipped away to a nearby large hill within a few seconds or less at best?

Considering that, the problem with the height based and ec is that authors aren't specifically consistent.

And those calculations are more relative to that situation itself which may contradict things.

Even the OBD doesn't try to calculate the jutsu speed. Its too much of a mental rehaul. Your effort is a bit admirable but no need to do this yourself. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/2d6mz611.png



Nope. There is no reason to believe so. Although there are some who think Raikage is lightning speed to light speed and etc in other forums and youtube.

It is clear though he is the fastest moving character and mainly, top tier speedsters or those with top tier reactions can react to him and survive quite well.


Suigetsu and Jugo may have reacted to Raikage but they can't really do anything. CS2 Jugo proved it by barely blocking in reflex.

I have acknowlegded the inconsistencies already. In my first attempt to calculate the Kyuubi's hieght, the manga has him towering over the trees. Yet the newer ones have him around 30 meters long at best. So yes,there are major inconsistencies.

The jutsu speeds, I can't do them all. The only reason I could have even calculated the great fireball jutsu was due to Sasuke being in clear view of naruto, while his jutsu enveloped him within a moment's notice. I can't calculate more than 3/4 of all the jutsu in naruto.

Last but not least is the fact that this list is incomplete,but the secondary list will be more accurate. That said, I won't be able to do anything for a month because I have actually neglected my work to do this. xD

[321zigzag3]

Raikage's speed couldn't be calculated using the odd numbered chapters.Hopefully he will have a few more in the even chapters.



He evaded a point blank Jugo laser cannon and a point blank nearl instant appearing Amaterasu that is waaaaaay beyond 35 meters.



I have acknowlegded the inconsistencies already. In my first attempt to calculate the Kyuubi's hieght, the manga has him towering over the trees. Yet the newer ones have him around 30 meters long at best. So yes,there are major inconsistencies.


Kyuubi shrunk in size.

[Bacon]

He evaded a point blank Jugo laser cannon and a point blank nearl instant appearing Amaterasu that is waaaaaay beyond 35 meters.


Kyuubi shrunk in size.

The point of the list to calculate applicable feats. This isn't suppose to be the thing that kills all debate,but rather stop the "lolspeedblitz arguement". That said, I really wish I could have calculated that thing. xD

[colorles]

Kyubi did not shrink, its just that the kyubi in Naruto's mind is WAY smaller than the actualy kyubi

[321zigzag3]

The point of the list to calculate applicable feats. This isn't suppose to be the thing that kills all debate,but rather stop the "lolspeedblitz arguement". That said, I really wish I could have calculated that thing. xD

You don't have to actually calculate anything to stop lol speed blitz argument.

[Bacon]

You don't have to actually calculate anything to stop lol speed blitz argument.
Yes you do.

Fighter A is baselessly caculated to be Hypersonic+ or mach 7
Fighter B is baselessly calculated to be Hypersonic + or slightly slower at mach 6

Fighter A wins due to split blitz. Placing a speed on certain characters and their attacks based on a estimated speed gives a actual range of what that character is capable of fighting. My hope is to kill the speed blitz with a semi appositive list of calculated feats so that Deva path can fight Sage mode Jaraiya. So attacks like the Giant shark missile stops being overpowered into oblivion.(By using speed and size)


Kyubi did not shrink, its just that the kyubi in Naruto's mind is WAY smaller than the actualy kyubi


Kishi's inaccurate depiction sets him around 30 meters or 90 feet long.

[321zigzag3]

Yes you do.
Placing a speed on certain characters and their attacks based on a estimated speed gives a actual range of what that character is capable of fighting. My hope is to kill the speed blitz with a semi appositive list of calculated feats so that Deva path can fight Sage mode Jaraiya. So attacks like the Giant shark missile stops being overpowered into oblivion.(By using speed and size)
Kishi's inaccurate depiction sets him around 30 meters or 90 feet long.


Not really.


Kyuubi the current one shrunk in size. The original one is still big as ever. I don't see your point for Kyuubi.

[Bacon]

Not really.


Kyuubi the current one shrunk in size. The original one is still big as ever. I don't see your point for Kyuubi.
About the speed and size of jutsu such as Giant shark missle: Yes really. Name an instance where someone doesn't say, " Kisame's Giant shark missile is too big to dodge".


I'm at a loss for calculating the Summons. I am in no way saying,That's their size". Why?

Because I found the trees around Naruto in chapter 1 to 13 meters tall. Yet there's nothing to base the calculation on for it's height,so I gave up. Now I find a panel where Naruto is standing on Gamabunta in the air, yet I only got a calculation of ~ 22 meters in height. The same happens for everyone; Animal path's cerberus, bird, Gameken(Especially the toads who appeared in chapter 433).

My point is Kishi's sub par ability to make his summons a constant size.

[321zigzag3]

About the speed and size of jutsu such as Giant shark missle: Yes really. Name an instance where someone doesn't say, " Kisame's Giant shark missile is too big to dodge"..

Nobody says that but its obvious.


Lol Kishi summons .

I was referring to Kyuubi alone as for the summons well take the lowest size first then but don't be so grounded on it. Be general if you must and median of the range.

[Bacon]

Nobody says that but its obvious.




I was referring to Kyuubi alone as for the summons well take the lowest size first then but don't be so grounded on it. Be general if you must and median of the range.

Hence the reason why I calculated it,but I was too lazy to fix the numbers.It's only ~ 89 meters long. Width, I couldn't find that/

The Kyuubi inside of Naruto was not the real Kyuubi.

Yes, that's my general plan with the summons,but some like Animal's dogs only have a few useful panels. That said, I have found a constant size of around 25-30 meters in height/length.

[321zigzag3]

Hence the reason why I calculated it,but I was too lazy to fix the numbers.It's only ~ 89 meters long. Width, I couldn't find that/

The Kyuubi inside of Naruto was not the real Kyuubi.

Yes, that's my general plan with the summons,but some like Animal's dogs only have a few useful panels. That said, I have found a constant size of around 25-30 meters in height/length.

How about that its just big. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.png

Ok.

Ok.


I will make that speed thread............someday. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.png

[Bacon]

How about that its just big. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.png

Ok.

Ok.


I will make that speed thread............someday. http://s236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/hm.png
Being ambiguously large leads to abuse and the end of debates.

This is intended to be a speed thread that also takes into account the approxiamted or average reflexes of the fighter,but it's vastly incomplete. Mainly becasue I neglect school all week just to get this much done. :/

[321zigzag3]

Being ambiguously large leads to abuse and the end of debates.

This is intended to be a speed thread that also takes into account the approxiamted or average reflexes of the fighter,but it's vastly incomplete. Mainly becasue I neglect school all week just to get this much done. :/

Yes and no.


Well I am going to make it eventually. Explain where the current ones come from and give reasoning behind and such.

[Bacon]

Certain attacks are abused...

1. Find the listed height of a character in the panel, in centimeters.
You find the height of a certain character because you are looking for an estimation or actual height of a character.You can't calculate anything with knowing the height of at least one thing in the manga panel. In this case, you are choosing a certain character in the panel, either the attacker or defender; depending on the size and perspective of the panel. If it's tunnel vision, you take the smallest character since there are times when one character is 1.5 inches tall and the other is .5 inches tall.

The smaller number gives you a more accurate measurement of how far the blitzing party actually travels.

Note: Naruwiki usually lists the height of most characters.
2.Measure the depicted height of the character from head to toe, in inches.
This is because you need to find how many of the measured character fit within certain distance. You're basically seeing what happens when you try to find how many Sasukes fit in between him and his target.Since the measured character is the only measurable object thus far, it is the perfect tool for finding the distance.

3.Calculate the depicted distance in between the attackers and defenders, in inches.

4. Obtain a distance multiplier by dividing the distance by the character's depicted height.

5. Multiply the distance multiplier by the character's listed(or estimated) height. Your result will be in centimeters.
After you do step 3 and 4 to find how many attackers fit within a distance, you multiply that number by the character's listed height to get the distance in centimeters.


6. Calculate the normal human reflex or reaction time by dividing 1000 milliseconds by 190 milliseconds. This number will vary once the secondary list is up. Note: The reflex number will stay constant and is assumed this number until proven otherwise.
You will see many times when someone uses shunshin to seemingly teleport right? According to Deidara330, the average human reflex is 190 millaseconds, so you divide 1000 millasecond( aka 1 second). This gives an approximation of the character in question.
7. Multiply the Reflex number by the distance in centimeters.

8. Divide by 100 to get the quotient in meters.
To help ensure accuracy from now until the completion:
Hopefully each and every applicable feat has been found. Once they are found,if the character has multiple feats,they will have a range from X to Y. X is the lowest calculate quantity and Y is the highest.

I tried to explain it. xD