A vs Gaara, Tsunade, Mei

[SimpleGenin]

Location: Training Field

State of Mind: In Character

Starting Distance: 30 Meters

Restrictions: None

Everyone has full knowledge, No Prep

[NBT]

I'm pretty sure he can blitze and clothesline there heads off.

[SimpleGenin]

Even if you use manga logic?

[NBT]

..........?

[Nyruss]

Gaara is the only thing that could remotely be considered a real threat here, and he doesn't have anything to suggest he's capable of taking on the Raikage in any way.

I assume that by "manga logic" he means hype, in which case Mei is the only actual threat, but still not enough to actually beat A(though A would have some difficulty).

[SimpleGenin]

Gaara is the only thing that could remotely be considered a real threat here, and he doesn't have anything to suggest he's capable of taking on the Raikage in any way.

I assume that by "manga logic" he means hype, in which case Mei is the only actual threat, but still not enough to actually beat A(though A would have some difficulty).

Dudemeister. Can always learn something from you :)

[Akatsuki X]

The only real threat here is Gaara.
He was able to react to Rai's kick with his sand to some extent, but with Raiton Cloak version two, A is much faster and could blitz all of them by a long shot.

Avoiding acid mist and acid spit from Katsuya won't be too hard either.

[gama-sennin]

The only real threat here is Gaara.
He was able to react to Rai's kick with his sand to some extent, but with Raiton Cloak version two, A is much faster and could blitz all of them by a long shot.

Avoiding acid mist and acid spit from Katsuya won't be too hard either.

I am not sure, but I think A was in rcv2 mode when he tried to do that suicidal kick thingy against Sasuke.

Tsunade and Mei wont last long but Gaara is on totally different level. Having long range sand techniques is a huge advantage for Gaara against someone like A.

[321zigzag3]

Location: Training Field

State of Mind: In Character

Starting Distance: 30 Meters

Restrictions: None

Everyone has full knowledge, No Prep

With full knowledge wouldn't that encourage Raikage to go into Version 2 amped up Bijuu Shroud mode where his shunshin evaded a near instant Amaterasu point blank?

Gaara with full knowledge is the most with the threat. Tsuande can only stall because I don't know anything else she has shown and Mei well she is too limited. Her acid and lava can do something but she has to effectively track Raikage.

But if Raikage goes in V2 Shroud mode.

They would still have a lot of difficulty against the normal shroud only Gaara can effectively counter the best.

[Midnight789]

I am not sure, but I think A was in rcv2 mode when he tried to do that suicidal kick thingy against Sasuke.

Tsunade and Mei wont last long but Gaara is on totally different level. Having long range sand techniques is a huge advantage for Gaara against someone like A.

Tsunade will Last longer than anyone in this fight, since A uses Tai-Justu mostly. Plus she is a medical nin-justu Master. And she is not slow at all she kept up with kabuto and Orochimaru.

She is a Legendary Sanin for a reason!

[Midnight789]

With full knowledge wouldn't that encourage Raikage to go into Version 2 amped up Bijuu Shroud mode where his shunshin evaded a near instant Amaterasu point blank?

Gaara with full knowledge is the most with the threat. Tsuande can only stall because I don't know anything else she has shown and Mei well she is too limited. Her acid and lava can do something but she has to effectively track Raikage.

But if Raikage goes in V2 Shroud mode.

They would still have a lot of difficulty against the normal shroud only Gaara can effectively counter the best.

You are seriously giving too much credit to Gaara and not to Mei and Tsunade. I think Gaara would be the first to die, it would be just like the fight between him and lee but this time its against someone who is way stronger, almost as strong as Tsunade.

[Midnight789]

Gaara is the only thing that could remotely be considered a real threat here, and he doesn't have anything to suggest he's capable of taking on the Raikage in any way.

I assume that by "manga logic" he means hype, in which case Mei is the only actual threat, but still not enough to actually beat A(though A would have some difficulty).

Please stop using the Phrase "Manga Logic" it just does not prove anything.

i Think A would be overwhelmed, Tsunade would finish him off by herself, she is NOT SLOW AT ALL, A may be faster than her but she still will keep up with him.

I dont see A hurting Tsunade, even if he tries to take off her head she should be able to dodge it. and she is pretty much immortal when she uses her Regeneration Technique.

U guys are seriously underestimating Tsunade and giving too much credit to Gaara. He would probably be the first one to die in this case since he stucks in tai- justus

[colorles]

Gaara flies up and kills A with sand

dont bother saying otherwise



anyways matchup wise, a flying opponent is the worst possible scenario for A, especially one with sand thats speed at least rival his own, and can pummel him with sand from all sides

A cannot by any means penetrate Gaara's sand defenses, which are stronger and definately more force aborbent than Sasuke's immature susano, and besides only piercing attacks have any realistic chance of penetrating Gaara's sand defenses which are not only strong and now absurdly fast, but absorbs the shock of hits from somone like raikage. even if Gaara does not choose to fly, his sand dfends him and he sand coffins A, crushing him and his limbs. if he fly's, its overkill

[Midnight789]

Gaara flies up and kills A with sand

dont bother saying otherwise



anyways matchup wise, a flying opponent is the worst possible scenario for A, especially one with sand thats speed at least rival his own, and can pummel him with sand from all sides

A cannot by any means penetrate Gaara's sand defenses, which are stronger and definately more force aborbent than Sasuke's immature susano, and besides only piercing attacks have any realistic chance of penetrating Gaara's sand defenses which are not only strong and now absurdly fast, but absorbs the shock of hits from somone like raikage. even if Gaara does not choose to fly, his sand dfends him and he sand coffins A, crushing him and his limbs. if he fly's, its overkill

Wow, Everything you said is sooooooooooo Wrong!!

I hope you were joking

[colorles]

Wow, Everything you said is sooooooooooo Wrong!!

I hope you were joking

care to 'elaborate'?

[Yori]

A goes L2 and speed blitz the crap out of everyone

[colorles]

A goes L2 and speed blitz the crap out of everyone

Gaara would already be countering with sand coffin on A's limbs, and if bloodlusted would already be high in the air. matchup wise Gaara is ideal to fight somone like raikage due to his sandspeed and flight, the likes of Onoki and Deidara could defeat A as well due to flight

i'm rooting for Sai to show his stuff soon :cool:

[Yori]

Gaara would already be countering with sand coffin on A's limbs, and if bloodlusted would already be high in the air. matchup wise Gaara is ideal to fight somone like raikage due to his sandspeed and flight, the likes of Onoki and Deidara could defeat A as well due to flight

i'm rooting for Sai to show his stuff soon :cool:

Gaara's sand can not react to everything. Proved by Lee way back. L2 A freaking dodged a point blank Ammy with no problem. Even before Gaara begins to take flight a lariat is already about take his head off.

Having to get out the sand, take shape so he he can stand on it = Time. Time is key in this battle, and time is on A's side in this fight

[colorles]

Gaara's sand can not react to everything. Proved by Lee way back. L2 A freaking dodged a point blank Ammy with no problem. Even before Gaara begins to take flight a lariat is already about take his head off.

Having to get out the sand, take shape so he he can stand on it = Time. Time is key in this battle, and time is on A's side in this fight

lol so you use a part 1 feat, lololololololol, sorry but thats somwhat annoying at times. also Gaara's sand intercepted both R2 shround Raikage, and also amarterasu, effortlessly. Gaara's sand would already have reached A just as he begins to move, and either way Gaara's sand can counter with its speed, and he can sand coffing A's limbs from there, and if he wants to get into the air, his sand can counter while the rest of his sand gets him into the air, either way A's limbs and body will get crushed. lol Gaara can shape his sand as fast as he can move it, its like an extension of his body, he just jumps into the air while some of his sand defends him and counters A, while he lands on the rest or it simplu propells him up, either way A cannot touch Gaara with his sand speed. lol this is not part one, and unlike part one, a fast taijutsu fighter is the worst possible matchup against Gaara and his sand; its obvious Gaara addressed his part one weaknesses wouldnt you say? lol at the part one feat through, those are always lulzy


lol sorry, part one feats, sorry but they dont apply to Gaara at this point, dont mean to sound 'rude' though, but you get my jist i suppose

[Bacon]

The Raikage punched through Sasuke's incomplete sasuno, the likes of which was engulfed with ammetersu flames. Gaara's only chance is to abandon Mei and Tsunade while he climbs high into the air using his sand as a platform. From here he will grind subterranean sand and engluf Raikage in a tsunami like he did to Kimi maro.

That said, this is assuming that Gaara can get off the ground before Raikage attacks him.

[Lady Tsunade]

Tsunade will Last longer than anyone in this fight, since A uses Tai-Justu mostly. Plus she is a medical nin-justu Master. And she is not slow at all she kept up with kabuto and Orochimaru.

She is a Legendary Sanin for a reason!

Tsunade can tank and heal as much as she wants. Staying alive won't inflict damage to Raikage. He's far too fast. Meis acid Mist might be a problem , since he could speed himself into it by accident while attacking either Tsunade or Gaara. But really, Gaara is the only way they can inflict damage. If Tsunade and Mei sit at a range, using Acid Mist and Katsuyu - A will have to constantly keep avoiding their attacks. Which could potentially allow Gaara to land a strike. The sand is fast, and as fast as A is - being attacked by such large range attacks from Tsunade and Mei is difficult to dodge while Gaara launches attacks at the same time.

If Gaara took off one of A's legs. It'd be match over. Honestly I'd say A wins 6 or 7/10 times. >_>

[Bacon]

This all depends on A's prep time that he would need to use his shroud. Afterall, he did have his body gaurds help him before going all out against the Sauce. That said, what has Mei accomplished to suggest that her attacks will be able to singe the Raikage's shroud?

If it protects him from Ammetersu,it should hold up against the acid or katsu too. Especially when he is using his speed to cross that distance of 30 meters with the blink of an eye.

[Nyruss]

Tsunade will Last longer than anyone in this fight, since A uses Tai-Justu mostly. Ha. No. Tsunade dies instantly. A Lariats her head off. GG.

Plus she is a medical nin-justu Master

Woop-dee-doo.

And she is not slow at all she kept up with kabuto and Orochimaru.

No she didn't. Kabuto kicked the crap out of her while holding back. Orochimaru was also severely weakened in addition to holding back.

She is a Legendary Sanin for a reason!


And that reason is "Because the Legendary Niinin sounds dumb". What's next, you gonna try and claim she's more powerful than the Kyuubi because she's a Hokage and the First Hokage controlled the Kyuubi so obviously the Fifth is even stronger?


i Think A would be overwhelmed, Tsunade would finish him off by herself, she is NOT SLOW AT ALL, A may be faster than her but she still will keep up with him.

And I thought Lady Tsunade's fan-wank was annoying. I guess Always A Bigger Fish applies to fanboys as well.

There is no scenario in which Tsunade could ever beat A on her own unless you take away A's arms, legs, lower jaw, and higher brain functions.

Nor is there any way she could EVER possibly keep up with him in terms of speed. It just ain't happening.


I dont see A hurting Tsunade, even if he tries to take off her head she should be able to dodge it. Based on nothing but your baseless fanwank.

and she is pretty much immortal when she uses her Regeneration Technique.

Yeah...no. A Lariats her head off. She dies.

U guys are seriously underestimating Tsunade And you're seriously overestimating her.


and giving too much credit to Gaara. He would probably be the first one to die in this case since he stucks in tai- justus

You're not giving him nearly enough credit. The only way he couldn't last longer than Sucknade is if A went after him him first.

[Lady Tsunade]

This all depends on A's prep time that he would need to use his shroud. Afterall, he did have his body gaurds help him before going all out against the Sauce. That said, what has Mei accomplished to suggest that her attacks will be able to singe the Raikage's shroud?

If it protects him from Ammetersu,it should hold up against the acid or katsu too. Especially when he is using his speed to cross that distance of 30 meters with the blink of an eye.

A never tanked anything particulary impressive with Raiton Shroud did he? He tanked Sasukes Chidori Spear, though still recieved some damage from it. He also covered his arm in electricity to punch through the Amaterasu enhanced Susanoo bones, but his arm became ignited and was burned off as a result. I'm quite sure Meis Mist would be able to break through Raikages shroud, at least a bit. Its safe to assume Sasukes Susanoo bones are significantly stronger than regular bones. Hence why it was made out to be such a great defence. Its at least more powerful than Sasukes Chidori Spear, especially since the intensity of the mist can be increased. A should recieve some damage. Likewise, Katsuyus Acid Slime is able to completely melt large rocks, which is better than Chidori Spear, which bests feat is piercing through Orochimarus arms, and Danzos heart.

I'm pretty sure Acid Slime or Acid Mist alike could burn through the sheild.

[Bacon]

A never tanked anything particulary impressive with Raiton Shroud did he? He tanked Sasukes Chidori Spear, though still recieved some damage from it. He also covered his arm in electricity to punch through the Amaterasu enhanced Susanoo bones, but his arm became ignited and was burned off as a result. I'm quite sure Meis Mist would be able to break through Raikages shroud, at least a bit. Its safe to assume Sasukes Susanoo bones are significantly stronger than regular bones. Hence why it was made out to be such a great defence. Its at least more powerful than Sasukes Chidori Spear at least, especially since the intensity can be increased. A should recieve at least some damage. Likewise, Katsuyus Acid Slime is able to completely melt large rocks, which is better than Chidori Spear, which bests feat is piercing through Orochimarus arms, and Danzos heart.

I'm pretty sure Acid Slime or Acid Mist alike could burn through the sheild.
If I may ask, do you know that displays Mei's powers? I need to see them before I make a counter.

[Nyruss]

A's arm wasn't burned off, he karate chopped it off.

It's not unlikely that Mei and Katsuyu could get past A's shroud given enough time, but the problem is they won't have enough time, even ignoring the fact that neither of them are fast enough to actually hit him.

[Bacon]

A can cover the distance of 30 meters in an instant.. Someone's going to die in the first instant. Their only hope is A targeting anyone but Gaara.

[TheBlackChidori]

I just wanna see Tsunade punch a normal Shinobi. I can't gauge her strength until then.

[colorles]

Gaara can defend and counter with his gourd sand, although distance plays a considerable factor here. as fast as Gaara's sand is, perhaps A would have an advantage of sorts at 30 meters, and likewise Gaara would have an advantage at a distance farther than that, say 100 meters; that being said Gaara can still defend himself with his sand, A is not punching/kicking/pounding through Gaara's sand, which can absorb shock from attacks that dont heavily pierce, and as a material is denser than normal desert sand which could deflect some of Deidara's stronger bombs; A would have to get around Gaara's gourd sand to attack him, which wont easily happen since Gaara would have his sand already out defending him in the time it takes A to go Raiton Shroud v2 (granted it wont take long, but then again neither does Gaara's sand exiting his gourd to defend his body). Gaara vs A pretty much comes down to distance, at really short range A would have an advantage, at really long range a stomp in Gaara's favor, but at 30 meters i suppose A would have a reasonable shot, still have to get through Gaara's sand though, and to do that he has to get around it. and Gaara can still counter effectively while defending himself on the ground, and if he disables a limb or two on A, its over. and if Gaara gets into the air, which would be easy at a longer range granted, its overkill

forget about Tsunade and Mei, although once again Mei would be difficult to beat indoors due to acid mist, if she could react to somone as fast as A that is, although she can most likely react and defend pretty well with acid slime, at least in reactions. anyways though Tsunade and Mei arnt neccesary in this thread, dont have the speed, reactions, or most of all defense/countering to contend with a bloodlusted A

[Bacon]

If I may ask, where in the manga does Gaara's default amount of sand move with enough speed to do any of that? Raikage's shroud gives him a strong enough defense to nearly stop a full blown chidori. Now you're suggesting that Gaara's sand possessed that kind of penetration power?

If Gaara is caught in a close quarters combat fight, he will be outmatched as the lightning cover arm rips though the sand to possibly knock Gaara unconscious.

[Yori]

Also Gaara's sand needs to leave his gourd. That takes time. In a fight like this against the Raikage, time matters.

[colorles]

If I may ask, where in the manga does Gaara's default amount of sand move with enough speed to do any of that? Raikage's shroud gives him a strong enough defense to nearly stop a full blown chidori. Now you're suggesting that Gaara's sand possessed that kind of penetration power?

If Gaara is caught in a close quarters combat fight, he will be outmatched as the lightning cover arm rips though the sand to possibly knock Gaara unconscious.

Gaara's sand does not penetrate, it crushes. raikage could barely damage an immature susano, and when he tried his arm go singed and would have spread to his whole body had he not 'karate chopped' it off. Gaara's sand intercept and absorbed the shock of a R2 shroud Raikage drop kick, and well as amarterasu enton, nullifying and absorbing both. also intercepted and pushed around Sasuke's amerterasu enton, when Sasuke even stated Gaara's sand would have blitzed him if not for amarterasu enton. Gaara's absolute defense is superior to Sasuke's immatur Susano, the later who was forsed to activate the fully grown bones susano to compete. also Gaara's sand was shown to be just exited the gourd the panel after it intercepted Raikage's drop kick and Sasuke, take a look at it. Gaara's sand was blitzing Sasuke, who was forced to activate a superior susano to anything A faced just to defend against Gaara's sand, which was pushing around amarterasu enton. Gaara's sand upon rapidly exiting his gourd surrounds him to protect and counter, at least fast enough to engulf him fast enough with ease to protect against deidara's faster bombs, which were faster than Hebi Sasuke (c1 and c2 bombs i refer to). Deidara had to resort to dirty tactics and actually attacking Gaara from inside his sand defenses to actually hurt him, since in durability, Gaara's gourd sand is considerably faster, more powerful, and denser than normal desert sand, which force wise could withstand the forces of C3, or any of his bombs, which to do so the sand has to hold up denseity wise, and Gaara's gourd sand is considerably more dense and more absorbent; physical attacks that dont heavily pierce dont have a chance of getting trough Gaara's sand defenses force wise, and even the heaviliy piercing attacks wont get through the other counter measures such as counter attacks while said attack is in the motion of attempting an attack. anyways, Gaara's sand is fast, powerful, resilient; you cant force your way through it (unless your part 1 Sasuke with massive PNJ on your side hur hur), and with the speeds its shown, you cant get arround it anymore (this isnt part 1 vs lee hur hur), although granted as i said before, range is considerable in this matchup, close range favors A, long rang is a stomp in Gaara's favor, blah blah blah

oh an raitons is not Gaara's weakness, his sand has no weakness (part one Sasuke with heavy pnj on his side hur hur, also as i said piercing attacks, chidori is heavily piercing, and even then lol at it geting trhough current gaara's defensive counter messures; but raiton has nothing to do with it, its piercing, just so happens that chidori is piercing, nothing raikaga has pierces). so no raitons wont have any adverse affect on Gaara's sand, wich is not earth element, its most likely Wind or wind/earth, but either way it is unamed and has no element, and no elemental weaknesses

Gaara's sand leaving his gourd, considering his sand speed and considering how fast it has shown to exit his gourd (same speed as his sand moves if he's serios, no anime feats here lol,and this is not part one vs lee lol), is at least as fast as it takes A to activate raiton shroud level 2, which clearly isnt faster than a bloodlusted and serios Gaara's sand striking from his Gourd

[Nyruss]

Last I remember, he easily got through Susanoo and the burning came from the fact that Susanoo was covered by Amaterasu.

[colorles]

Last I remember, he easily got through Susanoo and the burning came from the fact that Susanoo was covered by Amaterasu.

he cracked it, and then eventually broke it when it was already covered with amarterasu, and his arm was already ignited when he was trying to 'finish' Sasuke

either way Gaara's sand density can absorb high level Deidara's bombs, and only heavily plot induced piercing attacks from lol part one characters name Sasuke Uchiha can pierce through Gaara's sand, Gaara's sand just counters and absorbs anything A can through at him, while simultaneous sever his limbs via sand coffin, and lol at A resisting that sort of pressure, and dont compare a piercing chidori to the pressure of sand coffin, they are two complety different ways of attacking, to which A has no defenses to the pressure of sand coffin, it just rips his limbs apart

and to whoever said i dont make sense, well read through what i say some more til you get it, i do this stuf fast, i have other things going on, anyways just read through that least post of mine and stop complaining, kay? anyways once A even touches Gaara's sand either to attack or while getting countered, he will be sand coffin'd on his limbs; he will need to gets arround these sand counters, not through them, and with Gaara's sand speed, with the sand all around him, he cant get around. Gaara can crush his limbs far sooner that he ever gets physically hurt from raikage, and if he chooses to fly it is overkill

as i said, distance plays a factor, small raikage advatage at 30 meters, but still very winnable for Gaara, but also keep in mind at close range Gaara's sand will get to A faster as well, but since A is close range fighter he is in his element, still gaara can take this though. at mid range Gaara wins through body mutilation of A, and at long rang A would need reinforcments from his brother to have a shot

A is not on Gaara's level matchup wise, his only shot being at the close range that this battle is, so it could go either way at 30 meters. somone like Killer Bee is more equiped to fight gaara, but even then once Gaara chooses to fly and change the terrain, Bee's only chance would be 8 tail biju blast, and depending on the terrain, Gaara's sand could trouble the full hachibi and disable it, assuming he can go all out and not have to fight over a village lol. but anyways, A does not matchup well against Gaara, his only chance is its at 30 meters, so it could go either way at this distance, but overall Gaara>A (Raikaga aka the most overated character in narutoverse sans minato)



however i admit that at 30 meters, in his close range element, A would have the advantage of being in his element, but Gaara is by no means defensless from that range; and at mid range and lol definately long range, Gaara rips the raikage to shreds with sand before he even gets close (once again this is not part one, so as Minato says,' read the f***** manga' lol)

[Yori]

Still say Gaara has to get his sand out the Gourd. In that time he is already blitzed

[Bacon]

either way Gaara's sand density can absorb high level Deidara's bombs, and only heavily plot induced piercing attacks from lol part one characters name Sasuke Uchiha can pierce through Gaara's sand, Gaara's sand just counters and absorbs anything A can through at him, while simultaneous sever his limbs via sand coffin, and lol at A resisting that sort of pressure

I don't know why you are underestimating Raikage's cloak,which has similar properties to the Chidori cloak. Gaara's sand is only as fast as he can react to an attack, that said; he couldn't even keep up with a part one Sasuke.How is he going to fair against Raikage who basically outmatched Sasuke with his sheer speed?

All the references to Deidara aren't applicable here, the sand from the desert makes him exponentially stronger. Fact of the matter is that Gaara doesn't have time to make more sand. his default amount of sand isn't going to stand up to a continous barrage from the raikage. Suppose his sand tries to latch on him,you'll get a similar result with Sasuke's full body chidori.

Look to page 2-3, chapter 461.

[321zigzag3]

You are seriously giving too much credit to Gaara and not to Mei and Tsunade. I think Gaara would be the first to die, it would be just like the fight between him and lee but this time its against someone who is way stronger, almost as strong as Tsunade.

Its only because Gaara has shown more. You are being too general.

Mei has acid and lava and if hit thats one thing but at 30 meters at full knowledge?

Mind you can Gaara get up the air before Raikage runs at full speed at 30 meters? Its possible because Gaara's sand is very fast now but anyway.

Tsunade has yet to show something beat down raiton shroud. Even if she can react to him. Feats says she has yet to but by hype she probably can but Raikage has shown superb shroud tanking.

There is nothing so far Tsunade has shown that can get through that except Katsuya but really will she summon in 30 meters in time?




Mind you the other side can win and technically should be able to, its just I honestly believe that Raikage benefits a lot more from full knowledge. I mean we barely saw what Mei can do and Tsunade is still quite limited.

[colorles]

Still say Gaara has to get his sand out the Gourd. In that time he is already blitzed

Gaara's sand is seen to be still exiting his gourd somwhat the panel after his sand intercepted A and Sasuke, therefor part of it was stil exiting, but the sand theres nearer the top part of the gourd (at least 1/3 of it) leaves as fast as his sand can attack. also, A has to enter raiton shroud 2, which certainly takes at least as much time if not more than Gaara's sand exiting his gourd, and especially since theres panels and feats suggesting Gaara's sand speed/ sand exiting gourd speed; that being said A can enter raiton shroud 1 at comparable speed to Gaara's and exiting his gourd, but it would take a extra split secong of sorts to go to raiton shroud v2, and keep in mind Gaara's sand can exit his gourd in small split second as well; neither is blitzing or attacking other in the small time it takes for Gaara to let his sand out and A to go to his raiton shroud

[321zigzag3]

Tsunade can tank and heal as much as she wants. Staying alive won't inflict damage to Raikage. He's far too fast. Meis acid Mist might be a problem , since he could speed himself into it by accident while attacking either Tsunade or Gaara. But really, Gaara is the only way they can inflict damage. If Tsunade and Mei sit at a range, using Acid Mist and Katsuyu - A will have to constantly keep avoiding their attacks. Which could potentially allow Gaara to land a strike. The sand is fast, and as fast as A is - being attacked by such large range attacks from Tsunade and Mei is difficult to dodge while Gaara launches attacks at the same time.

If Gaara took off one of A's legs. It'd be match over. Honestly I'd say A wins 6 or 7/10 times. >_>

Pretty much you summed it up. Tsunade has the strength to knock back Raikage but he has the sheer tanking to keep going.

Now that alone is a problem but to be fair, Tsunade can try to be the frontal shield bait and that is one way that can win but what I am worried is that Raikage will use his Bijuu shroud mode to go attempt full blitz from the start due to full knowledge.

[colorles]

I don't know why you are underestimating Raikage's cloak,which has similar properties to the Chidori cloak. Gaara's sand is only as fast as he can react to an attack, that said; he couldn't even keep up with a part one Sasuke.How is he going to fair against Raikage who basically outmatched Sasuke with his sheer speed?

All the references to Deidara aren't applicable here, the sand from the desert makes him exponentially stronger. Fact of the matter is that Gaara doesn't have time to make more sand. his default amount of sand isn't going to stand up to a continous barrage from the raikage. Suppose his sand tries to latch on him,you'll get a similar result with Sasuke's full body chidori.

Look to page 2-3, chapter 461.

part one feats dont apply considering Gaara has gotton WAY faster since then; bringing up a part one feat like that, is like having part one sasuke fight raikage, or whateva, they dont matter in this case

A's raiton cloak does not pierce, it just can defend against piercing to a degree, but it does not pierce, and cannot defent against the pressures of Gaara's sand coffin; once again, the pressure of sand coffin is a completely different style of attack, to which A has no abnormal defense against, his limbs get crushed and ripped off just like anything else except mayb somthing like the kyubi or somthing

the desert sand is actually less dense and weaker molecular wise than Gaara's gourd sand, and at a molecular level and in density, it was still able to wistand and absorb the pressures of C3; Gaara's gourd sand is molecularly stronger, and alot more dense, molecule for molecule, nothings getting through it force wise

Gaara's gourd sand is everything stronger than the other sand i just mentioned molecule for molecule, it withstands and absorbs raikages attecks with ease, A will have to get arround the sand to have a shot at hurting Gaara, which with Gaara's sand speed will be no easy task without getting countered and having his limbs ripped off

so your saying Gaara's sand cant actually 'latch' onto A because of the raitons? Gaara's sand was never weak to raitons, and Gaara's sand does not stay stil while he chants in a little sand shell while a plot powerd chidori can come rush at him. Gaara's sand grabs onto Raikage, and it rips his limbs off. simply put, raikage has to litterally not touch Gaara's sand to win this, and to do that he has to get arround Gaara's sand, not easy task with Gaara's sand speed, and to do so without getting countered? well lets just say Raikage is fortunate the distance is so close range, its his only shot

[Bacon]

I think this is the part where we agree to disagree, mainly because Gaara's last close range combat experience was in part 1. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Gaara has improved,but there's nothing to suggest that his sand is stronger than Susano. If this is the case, Gaara will suffer injury because I am assuming his default sand to be as strong as an immature sasuno. Then Raikage employs the "Raikage bomb" on him, devastating him.

Last, you're simply relying on attacks, rather than taking into the distance and circumstances. Gaara is fighting a losing battle here and there's no guarantee that he can catch Raikage without him creating a ocean of sand again. You're downplaying Raikage and reducing his raiton shroud to nothing. Who says he is going to literally tank the sand attacks? Who says that he is going to sit there long enough for the sand to crush him? The electricity will allow him to break the hold and keep on fighting.

[colorles]

anyways, what we can agree on is that distance plays a factor here, at 30 meters A does have an advantage of sorts, at a longer range Gaara has an obvious advantage

in regards to the raiton shroud 'shaking off the sands grip', now it wouldnt work that way since Gaara's sand has no elemental weakness, but i'm gonna let this slide and get some other opinions on this matter

[Bacon]

Let what slide, your claim that Gaara's sand is immune to the lightning chakra that is pulsating around the Raikage's body?

[colorles]

Let what slide, your claim that Gaara's sand is immune to the lightning chakra that is pulsating around the Raikage's body?

and lol at said lightening chakra affecting Gaara's sand coffin; when Gaara's sand gets a hold of A's limb(s), said sand then sand coffins them with any of the hesitation thereafter thats somtimes suggested in the anime (which has distorted Gaara some what, once his gourd sand toughes and gets a grip on a limb, he then sand coffins it, no dramatic hesitation, A loose a limb, more limbs will be severed), theres nothing suggesting that A's raiton aura can defend him agains pressure, let alone against pressure at the levels of current Gaara's bloodrenched gourd sand, nothing at all. oh and Gaara's gourd sand is vastly supperior to the immature susano

[Nyruss]

I would like to know what leads you to believe Gaara is fast enough to prevent A from Lariating his head off at leisure.

[colorles]

I would like to know what leads you to believe Gaara is fast enough to prevent A from Lariating his head off at leisure.

go read my posts on the previous two pages, or have you already?

[Nyruss]

I skimmed them. Summarize in five words.

[colorles]

Gaara's feats at Kage Summit





*amoung other things but first this*

[Nyruss]

Explain in greater detail without posting a wall of text.

[colorles]

Explain in greater detail without posting a wall of text.
sand speed

Gaara's sand speed and reaction speed to intercept amarterasu enton, also intercept raikage's R2 shroud drop kick and also amarterasu enton, and in the panel after you can see there is still sand exiting his gourd, so it was not already out before hand, and Gaara is quite a few meters away, maybe 40 havnt seen the panel in a while

also against Deidara Gaara's sand protected him against some of deidara's faster C1 bombs, the same speed C1 and C2 bombs that were giving Hebi Sasuke alot of trouble

also it should be noted even though A is fast enough in R2 to even fool the sharingan, Gaara's sand tends to react on different sense, as if its an extention of Gaara's own 6th sense; even though Gaara does not have super eyes, he and his sand can react to super fast moving objects as seen against Sasuke and Amarterasu, and to easily intercept A and Sasuke as well as intercept and protect him against Deidara's faster bombs (Gaara's sand tends to move as an extention of himself, of his own senses, its not all that much based on image perception as say the sharingan, but all senses hence extention of himself). Deidara's speed was a small bit less than Hebi Sasuke, and Gaara's sand was still as fast or faster even then, and new feats suggest his sand has gotten even faster as Gaara has improved

expect more out of Gaara soon

[Nyruss]

Gaara's sand speed and reaction speed to intercept amarterasu enton

Didn't the Raikage do that in R1? Nothin special.

also intercept raikage's R2 shroud drop kick

The thing about a drop kick is that it's a matter of dropping. As in, an effect of gravity. Unless the Raikage somehow has the ability to increase the speed at which he falls, this is not impressive in the least.

also against Deidara Gaara's sand protected him against some of deidara's faster C1 bombs, the same speed C1 and C2 bombs that were giving Hebi Sasuke alot of trouble


Raikage > Taka Sauce > Hebi Sauce.


expect more out of Gaara soon


When that happens it will matter.

[colorles]

Didn't the Raikage do that in R1? Nothin special.



The thing about a drop kick is that it's a matter of dropping. As in, an effect of gravity. Unless the Raikage somehow has the ability to increase the speed at which he falls, this is not impressive in the least.



Raikage > Taka Sauce > Hebi Sauce.



When that happens it will matter.

was that R1 or R2? either way Gaara's sand is still very fast, but it depends though

falling physics in Naruto? 'physics' in Naruto? yeah in RL theres a terminal velocity at which you can fall, but keep in mind in Naruto ninja's are shown to shunshin in any direction, but have been shown to shunshin down at speeds that would surpass terminal velocity for falling. either way i doubt it applies in a manga written by Kishimoto, and also its not like A was really 'falling', it was a dropkick from a fairly low elevation, with all his momentum from movment propelling him down. also keep in mind its still a 'kick', and A's strikes are comparable in speed to his movment

well yeah A>Sasuke in speed, although the speeds of Taka and Hebi are debatable, although it seems to make sense that Hebi actually moves better, but perhaps Taka has superior sharingan reactions

yeah





either way i already mentioned that at a distance of 30 meters, A has an advantage (hence in this thread), but at a greater distance, the odds tilt in Gaara's favor

[colorles]

chapter 463 pg 7, when A goes 'is that the mangekyo sharingan?'...he then goes 'hmph' and is clearly shown to activate raiton shroud version 2, with which he then, in raiton shroud version 2, goes on to fool Sasuke's somwhat blinding sharingan and evade amarterasu enton

[Akatsuki X]

I am not sure, but I think A was in rcv2 mode when he tried to do that suicidal kick thingy against Sasuke.

Tsunade and Mei wont last long but Gaara is on totally different level. Having long range sand techniques is a huge advantage for Gaara against someone like A.

I'm not sure,
not like it matters cause Gaara barely intercepted the kick, and it doesn't take much time for A to enter Raiton Armor Version 2.

Gaara's only real strong in the desert or in a suitable environment for his attacks.

With only the sand in his gourd protecting him, he won't be able to defend and attack A.

Tsunade will Last longer than anyone in this fight, since A uses Tai-Justu mostly. Plus she is a medical nin-justu Master. And she is not slow at all she kept up with kabuto and Orochimaru.

She is a Legendary Sanin for a reason!

The Raikage's taijutsu surpasses Tsunade's in every aspect conceivable.

She can't heal herself when she's dead.
As in kept up, you mean was outspeeded by, right?

Cause we all know how much it matters that she's a Sannin.

Wank at it's finest.

[colorles]

in the short time A goes ration shroud version 2, Gaara's sand will already be protecting him and countering

starting distance is critical in this matchup, admitingly A has an advantage of sorts at the close range of 30 meters

[Pain_man_who_became_god]

gaara flies on cloud, sand tsunami giant sand burial. A cant hit what he cant reach. for the distance speed thing, tsunade and mei keep him occupied if only for a second then gaara crushes all of them. raikage suffocates shamefully

[THE X UCHIHA]

what the ...

A will solo them all.

reasons :

1. defensively he got the lightning armor
2. he has an incredible speed feat supports him, and he is definitely the fastest.
3. Mei's attacks are useless, since water is weak to lightning.
4. Tsunade is so slow.she hasn't shown any speed feats.
5. Gaara's sands gets interpenetrated by Raikage's lightning armor.

[RINNEMAN1]

A speedblitzes everyone. The End