Are there any intelligent NaruHina fans I can debate with?

[KitsuneNoYugure]

Well, I'm a NaruSaku fan, a die hard one at that. I will often get into debate with NaruHina fans about the usual, "Naruto should end up with blah blah."

I don't mean to offend any of you, but all the one's I debate with don't really... seem intelligent. The ones I've encountered don't type correctly, and they don't give enough support or argument as to how NaruHina is more likely than NaruSaku. The ones I've debated with always say that, "Sakura is a b!tch and Naruto should want Hinata!!!!11" They don't give any legit reasoning for anything.

One said there's more NaruHina moments than NaruSaku. I asked them to kindly tell me a few. They said, "yea, well, who would want to be with a violent and b!tchy girl????"

So yes, this person gave me nothing.

Anyways, I really, really want to debate with a NaruHina fan that types correctly, like myself (though I am not the perfect example) and can at least provide a good argument.

If you are a NaruHina fan and at least sound intelligent, then would you like to debate with me? :O

And I apologize if I've posted this in the wrong area. I don't come here often, so I am kind of clueless as to where to post this sort of stuff. xD

[Anru Uzumaki]

Well, I'm a NaruSaku fan, a die hard one at that. I will often get into debate with NaruHina fans about the usual, "Naruto should end up with blah blah."

I don't mean to offend any of you, but all the one's I debate with don't really... seem intelligent. The ones I've encountered don't type correctly, and they don't give enough support or argument as to how NaruHina is more likely than NaruSaku. The ones I've debated with always say that, "Sakura is a b!tch and Naruto should want Hinata!!!!11" They don't give any legit reasoning for anything.

One said there's more NaruHina moments than NaruSaku. I asked them to kindly tell me a few. They said, "yea, well, who would want to be with a violent and b!tchy girl????"

So yes, this person gave me nothing.

Anyways, I really, really want to debate with a NaruHina fan that types correctly, like myself (though I am not the perfect example) and can at least provide a good argument.

If you are a NaruHina fan and at least sound intelligent, then would you like to debate with me? :O

And I apologize if I've posted this in the wrong area. I don't come here often, so I am kind of clueless as to where to post this sort of stuff. xD

I agree with you I whant to see them Datate too and your posted at the right section :D

[Pain_man_who_became_god]

im naruhina. i think naruto would get tired of sakuras crap basically. its kinda like a teenage fantasy kinda thing. i also think when sakura confessed her love, that hurt naruto cuz she was faking. he has to realize that hes a fallback guy, which is never fun. the fact that hinata, whod barely ever talked to naruto, confessed true feelings for him has got to affect him. i think narusaku is gonna be exactly like jiraiya tsunade to the tee. naruto is gonna choose hinata for the fact that she layed her life down for him. think about it, he raged more than he ever had at her getting put down. it might have been different had it been someone else. i think naruto is gonna remember how theyve both been bullied and pushed and see that shes who he really wants, IMO

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Go ahead, give it your best shot. (Will debate for money)

[SilentBlade]

I am a fan of Naruhina, but I also stand objectively and state that neither really has enough support (or these could be facts pushed either way) to really come out with a 100% answer.

The argument I typically hold will reflect a bit here and there, and be speculation and my own interpretation of the meaning of certain events. While I say this, please keep in mind that this is merely my interpretation and not necessarily me stating this stuff as "matter of fact"

First there is the obvious "confession" that Hinata made during the battle with Pain. Now I know there is a later confession in the Manga by Sakura (whether meaningful or not) however I saw that to be more of an alterior motive than anything else, as did Naruto. The confession by Hinata was pure genuine, which also lead to her final maturity in dealing with naruto, and a display of strength of character and resolve.

Then in the Manga I have looked at Kushina (sorry for the spelling most likely), and when she tells the story about her and Minato. The story from her perspective sounds a bit like Naruto and Hinata's story from his perspective, where there is absolutely nothing, and then a very significant event creates everything, which creates my argument, that even though this has been a one sided event, somthing significant like the intervension during the Pain battle could well have done.

On that same note, while Sakura was working on Hinata to heal her after Naruto and Pain moved out of the village, her own realization of Hinata's feelings also made me feel that perhaps that would be the direction and encouragement that she would give Naruto because she has that "inside knowledge."

Now I know I have stated this before and people don't necessarily like it, but its my interrpetation and nothing else. I still believe that Sakura has feelings for Sauske even though she tried to kill him. The fact that SHE wanted to do it alone was because wanted to stop hurting Naruto (even though bringing sauske back for him wasn't just about keeping a promise, but also because he sees sauske as a brother), but also because she wanted to save Sauske from himself and from his own hatred.

Now, because of his importance and just part of me believes that Sauske will end up coming back to the village side during the war to turn the tides of battle. Somthing will happen (I think).

Finally, even though this is pure speculation, Naruto and Sakura strike me as two individuals who love each other, but not in a romantic sense of it. I believe there is geniune love and respect, but I also felt a similar relationship between Tsunade and Jiraiya existed as well. I actually feel the relationship story of the Sanin members pretty closely parallels the relationships.

well those are some of my opinions.

[DeemonFox]

Naruto and Sakura's relationship has evolved to more of a brother/sister thing IMO. So....Hinata wins. Sakura is destined to be single all her life for being such a control freak.;)

[MelisaArtemis]

We already got a debate thread for arguments here: http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27328

[MysticGoten]

No, there aren't.
:P

[Elitecrap]

We already got a debate thread for arguments here: http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27328
yes, but it's starting to fill up with stupid people.

One of the main reasons i hate Hinata is her fanbase, which consists of mainly die-hard fans and trolls. i put something on my signature saying i hate Hinata and within 5 days, i get 2 neg reps saying my sig is stupid. One wasnt even on my Hinata hating thread, either. they have a habit to spread like weeds, too. every other topic is related to Hinata in the Make-Out Paradise section. I'm serious, check for yourself.

[SilentBlade]

It's absoultely pointless to hate a fictional character...seriously, the story is excellent, and the romantic subplot concept is used to create a more relatable experience with the characters. Whether it turns out to be NaruHina or NaruSaku or NaruWhover, this is turning out to be more like a sports contest where people are attempting to "will" their preference into reality.

I have watched the series, read the manga, my interpretations lead me down the path of NaruHina, however there is enough supporting evidence that could be interpreted to support NaruSaku, thus we have what Kishi is going for, somthing that we cannot determine based on the facts we currently have. 2 confessions, no follow-up...you can cite all the evidence in the world for your character, you won't yield a single thing. The purpose? to keep interest very high because this tactic work due to the significants that a romantic subplot in an action series generates "the good guy always gets the girl" right? so now he's messing with us and not letting us know which one.

[[Shikamaru]]

As I've always said, Naruto will likely die before finding a mate.

Not to mention finding one would kill the underlining romantic feeling for Naruto, which keeps a lot of viewers coming back. If he's with the same chick every episode, it will be less exciting. By keeping his options open, it makes the experience all the better for the fans.

[SilentBlade]

That is why it probably won't happen until the end, which has always been my stance, nothing will happen until the series is about to close out and the missions are over. I could see it in perhaps an epilogue, where Naruto is Hokage, he has a wife (which we find out WHO here), and peace has come to the village.

[ANKO_MITARASHI_ISDEAD_SAD]

The main reason I'm Naruhina as opposed to Narusaku is because even though Naruto and Sakura have trained together in Team 7 and they've gone sort of close, Naruto's crush on Sakura seems to be a lot more of the silly childhood crush thing, and while that definitely has potential to grow into a more serious love sort of thing, I think that instead of that happening, Naruto has actually started getting a bit more distant from Sakura. Even though he only rejected Sakura at the summit because he felt that her confession was fake and that he wouldn't feel right if he hadn't dealt with Sasuke first, I think his feelings have been getting more complicated lately and that Sakura hasn't really done a good job of connecting with him through them.

I'm thinking that basically, he's matured from the silly crush, hot-headed childish, show offy kid that he was into a more mature guy who's really thinking a lot more about others than he is about his own life, and i think somewhere inside of him, Sakura's still a very important person, but she's becoming more of 'just a friend' and one of the people he has to protect.

And then I guess unless Naruto is even denser than he was before, there is pretty much no way he's not going to realize Hinata confessed to him and unlike with Sakura's fake half-hearted confession, she was being dead serious, and Naruto's heart is going to have to be impacted by that. He's in a stage of maturing and finally realizing what it means to be a man, and I think with Hinata's timing, his relationship with Sakura will reach some sort of tipping point where she becomes just a friend and where he begins to really take Hinata seriously. She has had a genuine love for him (i guess it was probably a crush at the beginning aswell, but then she risked her life to save him so i guess that's an indicator that she's already changed) and Naruto will probably realize that.

Of course, one could argue that even with all of that, he's liked Sakura for ages whereas he's only just realized Hinata likes him just now, but let's think about it in real terms. So you've had this weird childhood crush on someone for a long as heck time, but slowly over time you begin to realize that man this has gone on for a while. while i guess the more romantic thing is for her to somehow fall in love with you suddenly, but more realistically, you realize that the whole thing was actually kind of childish and your love was a bit more superficial, and even though you still really like the person, eventually you move on. And that's just what I think will happen with NaruSaku, and I think Hinata's sort of been set up for that as the person who he realizes has been there all along.

So yeah, that's my reasoned argument for why I think Naruto x Hinata is a more realistic, natural, and better pairing. I also like it because I think its really sweet, and I don't really find pink hair attractive, and Sakura's really bitchy, and I pretty much always go for dark horse pairings, but you'll notice I didn't really use that shizzle (woah sorry didnt know we had a curse filter) in my arguments like basically every shipper for every pairing does. I will also concede the fact that I guess NaruxSaku is the fairy tale happily ever after ending, but I think the story has too much depth for that to be it.

[MelisaArtemis]

The main reason I'm Naruhina as opposed to Narusaku is because even though Naruto and Sakura have trained together in Team 7 and they've gone sort of close, Naruto's crush on Sakura seems to be a lot more of the silly childhood crush thing, and while that definitely has potential to grow into a more serious love sort of thing, I think that instead of that happening, Naruto has actually started getting a bit more distant from Sakura. Even though he only rejected Sakura at the summit because he felt that her confession was fake and that he wouldn't feel right if he hadn't dealt with Sasuke first, I think his feelings have been getting more complicated lately and that Sakura hasn't really done a good job of connecting with him through them.

I'm thinking that basically, he's matured from the silly crush, hot-headed childish, show offy kid that he was into a more mature guy who's really thinking a lot more about others than he is about his own life, and i think somewhere inside of him, Sakura's still a very important person, but she's becoming more of 'just a friend' and one of the people he has to protect.

And then I guess unless Naruto is even denser than he was before, there is pretty much no way he's not going to realize Hinata confessed to him and unlike with Sakura's fake half-hearted confession, she was being dead serious, and Naruto's heart is going to have to be impacted by that. He's in a stage of maturing and finally realizing what it means to be a man, and I think with Hinata's timing, his relationship with Sakura will reach some sort of tipping point where she becomes just a friend and where he begins to really take Hinata seriously. She has had a genuine love for him (i guess it was probably a crush at the beginning aswell, but then she risked her life to save him so i guess that's an indicator that she's already changed) and Naruto will probably realize that.

Of course, one could argue that even with all of that, he's liked Sakura for ages whereas he's only just realized Hinata likes him just now, but let's think about it in real terms. So you've had this weird childhood crush on someone for a long as heck time, but slowly over time you begin to realize that man this has gone on for a while. while i guess the more romantic thing is for her to somehow fall in love with you suddenly, but more realistically, you realize that the whole thing was actually kind of childish and your love was a bit more superficial, and even though you still really like the person, eventually you move on. And that's just what I think will happen with NaruSaku, and I think Hinata's sort of been set up for that as the person who he realizes has been there all along.

So yeah, that's my reasoned argument for why I think Naruto x Hinata is a more realistic, natural, and better pairing. I also like it because I think its really sweet, and I don't really find pink hair attractive, and Sakura's really bitchy, and I pretty much always go for dark horse pairings, but you'll notice I didn't really use that shizzle (woah sorry didnt know we had a curse filter) in my arguments like basically every shipper for every pairing does. I will also concede the fact that I guess NaruxSaku is the fairy tale happily ever after ending, but I think the story has too much depth for that to be it.

In a way, I agree with the first half of your argument. I have to admit that its a plausible theory and very well argumented. Starting paragraph three though, I have to say I'm disappointed since you pretty much undermining Sakura's character and goes into purely opinionated prediction instead.

One confession does not make any pairing happening, not Sakura's not Hinata's. Circumstances-wise, Sakura's and Hinata's confessions have extremely different circumstances and in effect extremely different rick for themselves. Hinata's confession happens when Naruto was on the verge of death, she comes in and confess in front of an enemy that quite literally blow up the whole village on a whim. There are several ways to interpret that confession but one thing they all have in common was that Hinata was ready to die when she does it. The fact that she expects herself to may fail and died spells that she's either afraid of rejection and see death as a possible escape or that she was ready to lay her life as long as Naruto live. Which 1 was it? we don't know.

On contrary, Sakura's confession happens when there are little possible direct threat to Naruto other than one that he tried to inflict on himself by still trying to bring Sasuke back. I won't deny that one of the driving force of her confession was guilt as she realize that she was one of the source of the pain that Naruto has to endure but that does not make her confession any less risky or honest than Hinata's. In contrast to Hinata's confession where she was ready to sacrifice her life and accept death, Sakura was ready to sacrifice her relationship with Naruto and his trust all the while knowing that she will have to live with it as long as she's alive. Considering the bond that she share with naruto both as a trusted friend and team member, I think the decision in itself is quite a heavy decision to make and definitely not something easy to accept.

my conclusion so far is that both Hinata and Sakura's confession carry equally high risk to themselves, one is physical another is emotional. Any argument which one is more honest or more romantic than the other is therefore moot point.

[ANKO_MITARASHI_ISDEAD_SAD]

Hmm... I see you're points here. I guess I did jump the shark (boat?) a little bit by forgetting that Sakura's confession had never been confirmed to be honest or not. I apologize. And Naruto's pretty dense, so yeah I can see how Hinata's confession may have been interpreted a bit differently than what I assumed. The main thing I was thinking about that was throughout mostly the entire series she was all Sasuke Sasuke and then suddenly she changed her mind (without any real epitomie/indication that she had truly accepted the change), and I guess I thought that was weird, so sorry about that.

I guess I can concede that point, however I still think Naruto Hinata makes more sense because even if Sakura is one million percent honest with her confession, something about it feels hollow anyhow because she hasn't really been developing a change in her relationship with Naruto. It's just suddenly she decides to give up on Sasuke and go for Naruto instead. If Naruto was still a dense superficial character, I'm sure that that would be fine, but imo Sakura still has one more hurdle to pass before a confession from her would really work, she has to prove that Naruto wouldn't just be her "sloppy seconds" (or something?) and that her love was genuine. Unless that happens (and it might, so who knows) I'm not sure it would really be too easy for her to enter a relationship with Naruto without it seeming a bit unreasonable.

[MelisaArtemis]

Hmm... I see you're points here. I guess I did jump the shark (boat?) a little bit by forgetting that Sakura's confession had never been confirmed to be honest or not. I apologize. And Naruto's pretty dense, so yeah I can see how Hinata's confession may have been interpreted a bit differently than what I assumed. The main thing I was thinking about that was throughout mostly the entire series she was all Sasuke Sasuke and then suddenly she changed her mind (without any real epitomie/indication that she had truly accepted the change), and I guess I thought that was weird, so sorry about that.

I guess I can concede that point, however I still think Naruto Hinata makes more sense because even if Sakura is one million percent honest with her confession, something about it feels hollow anyhow because she hasn't really been developing a change in her relationship with Naruto. It's just suddenly she decides to give up on Sasuke and go for Naruto instead. If Naruto was still a dense superficial character, I'm sure that that would be fine, but imo Sakura still has one more hurdle to pass before a confession from her would really work, she has to prove that Naruto wouldn't just be her "sloppy seconds" (or something?) and that her love was genuine. Unless that happens (and it might, so who knows) I'm not sure it would really be too easy for her to enter a relationship with Naruto without it seeming a bit unreasonable.

Actually, I think the fact that Sakura voluntarily tried to stop Naruto from going after Sasuke shows that she accepts that Sasuke has changed from the "Sasuke" that she knows. Relationship with Naruto-wise, I can give you lots of hints that shows how Sakura's relationship with Naruto grow overtime and blossoms but I know that those hints will be biased to Narusaku which is my most preferred couple therefore I try not to go there.

As far as being second choice is concerned, the "first love = true love" theory itself is pretty novel bordering unrealistic. Though granted it also apply to Narusaku and NaruHina both. One thing that many people seem to forget when it comes to shippings are this: Love is a mutual two-way road AKA both side have to both give and get, not one giving and the other getting all the time. As far as I see it, the most mutual pairing that I can see are NaruSaku with NaruHina comes second.

[Inoichi]

well i'm naruhina fan and i want it to happen, because most of all i'm a hinata fan. but that doesn't mean it will happen. you can discuss with me quite well cause i accepted the fact that this is only a manga/anime, and my oppinion has no influence on the storyline. but discussing and setting up theories is great fun =)

[MelisaArtemis]

Discussing a certain scene/panel is perfectly acceptable but you just don't bring made up theories and prediction to a debate, you just don't. Debate is about arguing how you INTERPRETE it not how you THINK it should/gonna be.

[ANKO_MITARASHI_ISDEAD_SAD]

Well I guess the pairing that makes the most sense all comes down to how you interpret the events, and it could probably swing either way. We have no real way of being able to tell which pairing will happen in the future, so I guess mostly shipping is about whom you like more so yeah I guess we're cool with each other then?

[TheTrueMasterofIllusions]

Nothin is ABSOLUTE! This is coming from Kishimoto's mind, saying THIS is what Kishimoto's going to do. Is like saying saying that 2012 is real.That is total B.S.
We can debate all we want, we can say what we want. Debating the likely hood of what person Naruto is going to end up with is impossible. It's even statistic. Each girl/guy has an equel amount of chance. Why? because each and every one of you has evidence as to why he's going to PROBABLY end up with which person;that's excluding the 'Sakura sucks' or 'Hinata sucks' not evidence opinion or perspective of events people. It evens out. Yes, I suck at explaining but hey I'm doin' my best to make a point.

Another thing, Kishi has his own mind. He will decide who ends up with who.
On another note, Mikoto Uchiha would not ever get with Madara,Naruto, or her own son. Why? Little to No evidence! That's my perspective of things. Plus why would she get together with Madara, he's(currently and around that time she was still kickin)ugly. Her son REALLY? That's in your own sick imagination. Naruto, why would she go for him. She was more of a motherly type....

[Shikamaru Nara]

Well, I'm a NaruSaku fan, a die hard one at that. I will often get into debate with NaruHina fans about the usual, "Naruto should end up with blah blah."

I don't mean to offend any of you, but all the one's I debate with don't really... seem intelligent. The ones I've encountered don't type correctly, and they don't give enough support or argument as to how NaruHina is more likely than NaruSaku. The ones I've debated with always say that, "Sakura is a b!tch and Naruto should want Hinata!!!!11" They don't give any legit reasoning for anything.

One said there's more NaruHina moments than NaruSaku. I asked them to kindly tell me a few. They said, "yea, well, who would want to be with a violent and b!tchy girl????"

So yes, this person gave me nothing.

Anyways, I really, really want to debate with a NaruHina fan that types correctly, like myself (though I am not the perfect example) and can at least provide a good argument.

If you are a NaruHina fan and at least sound intelligent, then would you like to debate with me? :O

And I apologize if I've posted this in the wrong area. I don't come here often, so I am kind of clueless as to where to post this sort of stuff. xD

Leave this place at once if that's what you want. :lol:


Either way, I don't exactly support either because the Manga is a fighting manga, and there's no way you can actually see what's going to happen if nothing happens at all.

I'd debate with you on that, but not why one is better than the other because neither will happen.

[TheBraveShinobi]

im naruhina. i think naruto would get tired of sakuras crap basically. its kinda like a teenage fantasy kinda thing. i also think when sakura confessed her love, that hurt naruto cuz she was faking. he has to realize that hes a fallback guy, which is never fun. the fact that hinata, whod barely ever talked to naruto, confessed true feelings for him has got to affect him. i think narusaku is gonna be exactly like jiraiya tsunade to the tee. naruto is gonna choose hinata for the fact that she layed her life down for him. think about it, he raged more than he ever had at her getting put down. it might have been different had it been someone else. i think naruto is gonna remember how theyve both been bullied and pushed and see that shes who he really wants, IMO

I don't think Sakura's confession really hurt Naruto, all he said was she still love's Sasuke, even though all that he wanted was Sakura to love him back. He didn't want Sakura to lie to him about loving him because he wanted her to love him truly and not lie about it. Maybe Sakura still doesn't love Naruto but she cares for him and maybe she'll love him in the future.

Plus NaruSaku has the better chance of happening for many countless reasons if you ask me.